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A.J. Ramos

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 02:56 AM

On his way to the Mets according to Ken Rosenthal. Fills an area of need, can close, and is under control through 2018. Weird tats. On TV, it just looks like he spilled a bottle of ink all over his forearm. [fimg=400:14g1zk6c]https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qMNAHg8YSbCF3AjUX6zJ0q3yfeU=/0x0:2082x1458/1200x800/filters:focal(875x563:1207x895)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55875111/usa_today_10172913.0.jpg[/fimg:14g1zk6c]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2017 02:57 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Isn't he the guy who broke dArnaud s hand?

41Forever Jul 29 2017 02:59 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Are we buyers?

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 03:01 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

If the contract has value, sure. I don't remember which d'Arnaud injury is which. Against the Phils this year he got hit by a pitch and also got hit by Aaron Altherr's bat. It'd be a shame if the Mets went out and got another reliever with a history of bad blood with a Mets catcher.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2017 03:02 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Mirandy Gonzalez and Ricardo Cespedes

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 03:04 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

FUCKITY FUCK! MERANDY IS AWESZOME!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2017 03:06 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Yeah but, Class A pitcher. I dunno what they're doing either.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 03:09 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Merandy is 12-3 with a 1.78 ERA this season. He's struck out 89 and walked 21 in 106 innings giving up on four homers, splitting time between the South Atlantic and the Florida State Leagues. He's totally the P.J. Conlon of 2017 and I wouldn't have blamed him if he had already cleared space on the mantle for his Sterling Award. And at the risk of repeating myself, he looked good in the shower.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2017 03:19 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Certainly not the type of deal I expected during deadline week; both because the sellers turn into buyers and it's an in-division deal. So either Sandy is figuring that he and Jeurys are 2018's 1-2 punch or he'll be re-flipped before the weekend is out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2017 03:24 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Theory is it raises the return for Reed by taking one of the alternatives off the market. Also, Merandy needs 40-man protection this offseason

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2017 03:34 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Reviewing Ramos: came up w/Miami at age 25 in 2012, been the closer since 2015, a good but not quite dominant one: combined stats 2015-'17 = 2.79 ERA, 1.21 WHIP. Hits allowed are low at 127 in 174 IP with lots of K's but also a decent amount of walks: 207 K / 83 BB Turns 31 in Sept; under control for 2018 via his last year of arb, so price TBD

Chad Ochoseis Jul 29 2017 03:35 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mirandy Gonzalez and Ricardo Cespedes Missed a golden opportunity for a METS TRADE CESPEDES subject header there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2017 05:33 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

The FUCK are we doing here, exactly?

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 05:36 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

The theory seems to be that the Mets are shoring up a 2017 weakness with a solution that lasts into 2018, while weakening market competition for Reed by stockpiling.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2017 05:47 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

... while spending about as much in prospect-tonnage as Reed will bring in? Is there a particular guy we're trying to leverage? Is this a matter of Ramos being cheaper to have around next year? Because, frankly, they could just hang onto Reed and re-sign him. Ramos is under control, sure, but he's making $6-plus-M this year... and he's older/not as good as Reed.

Lefty Specialist Jul 29 2017 09:30 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Hm. Looks like a two-step deal where we haven't seen step two yet.

MFS62 Jul 29 2017 10:02 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

Sandy loves his releivers as much as Trump loves his tweets. This is a head scratcher. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2017 10:43 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

They get a Proven Closer for the rest of this year and maybe next, at $$ and a commitment length that's better than would be were they to go try and buy a free agent over the offseason. Plus he can be traded again next July! Meantime, deals aren't over. It'll be interesting to see if Mets can acquire prospect No. 9 and 21 equivalents for Reed+ now that they've established what Ramos costs.

smg58 Jul 29 2017 11:31 AM Re: A.J. Ramos

I've got no problem adding to next year's pen right now. For what it's worth, it means the Mets will still have one competent reliever when Reed gets dealt. And it cost two guys I hadn't heard of before this morning. Ramos does need to cut down on the walks, though.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 01:41 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

MFS62 wrote: Sandy loves his releivers as much as Trump loves his tweets. This is a head scratcher. Later If that were so, the bullpen wouldn't have been a weakness for the Mets this year, with them waiting until the end of the offseason to resign Blevins and Salas. I think he's more of a bullpen realist than a bullpen stockpiler. smg58 wrote: And it cost two guys I hadn't heard of before this morning. Read the Adopt-a-Prospect Forum, man. Merandy may never amount to beans, but he's been a great story.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 29 2017 01:44 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

I don't think this trade is all that head-scratchy. The Mets are, realistically, conceding 2017 and retooling for 2018. And they figure that Ramos will be a key part of the 2018 bullpen.

bmfc1 Jul 29 2017 03:08 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

The Mets will likely trade Reed, who is great but a FA, currently making $7,750,000. Will they get back the equivalent of what they received for A.J. Ramos, who is good, not great but not a FA until after 2018, currently making $6,650,000? (And why do they both have that $50,000 in the contracts?). The Mets traded a Top 10 prospect who is several years away from the majors but got control of Ramos for a year (and they can trade him a year from now if they are out of it again but they won't get back as much as they traded last night because, like Reed now, he will be a FA). I'm wondering why they just didn't talk to Reed now about staying. They'd have to pay him, what? $9,750,000 and maybe he wants to "test the waters", maybe they just don't want him or want to sell high but it seems like the options were: Reed minus $2.5M + 2 Top 25 prospects or Ramos +2.5M minus 2 Top 25 prospects + lesser prospects. Or maybe Sandy has a big, big deal on the table because Reed is so good.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2017 04:03 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

bmfc1 wrote: I'm wondering why they just didn't talk to Reed now about staying. They'd have to pay him, what? $9,750,000 ... Because Reed is going to be a 29 y/o FA and guys in that spot are quite unlikely to simply take a one-year contract and hope that they doesn't regress/get hurt and blow the chance to 'test the waters' next year. Shit, he saw Brett Freaking Cecil get 4/$30 last winter and Aroldis Chapman 5/$86 (w/an opt-out) so he's probably looking at those as his goalposts. Plus if history has taught us anything it's that counting on long-term projections for relievers is kinda dicey, so I think Sandy would prefer to have 220 or so games out of a closer/set-up type at a (more or less) known price than have to buy one for 3-4 years at market rates and risk being without a chair when the music stops if you're not prepared to outbid everyone else.

RealityChuck Jul 29 2017 04:17 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

It seems a smart move. Sandy wants to compete before the starters leave. He's betting that the injuries this year are bad luck, and next year you'll get productive years out of at least two of the group of Syndergaard, Harvey, Gsellman, Matz, Lugo, and Wheeler. If four of them are healthy, the offense and the better defense of Rosario will make them a contender. So the weakness will be the bullpen; Ramos improves that. Rebuilding from scratch will take years, but if they can keep their starters healthy, they'll be on the verge.

bmfc1 Jul 29 2017 04:24 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

Frayed Knot wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I'm wondering why they just didn't talk to Reed now about staying. They'd have to pay him, what? $9,750,000 ... Because Reed is going to be a 29 y/o FA and guys in that spot are quite unlikely to simply take a one-year contract and hope that they doesn't regress/get hurt and blow the chance to 'test the waters' next year. Shit, he saw Brett Freaking Cecil get 4/$30 last winter and Aroldis Chapman 5/$86 (w/an opt-out) so he's probably looking at those as his goalposts. Plus if history has taught us anything it's that counting on long-term projections for relievers is kinda dicey, so I think Sandy would prefer to have 220 or so games out of a closer/set-up type at a (more or less) known price than have to buy one for 3-4 years at market rates and risk being without a chair when the music stops if you're not prepared to outbid everyone else. That's probably it but he's better than Ramos or likely anyone else out there so if they are "all in" on 2018 I hope that he at least had the discussion.

G-Fafif Jul 29 2017 05:41 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

You hear that teams retool, yet you never hear that teams tool.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2017 05:46 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

bmfc1 wrote: That's probably it but he's better than Ramos or likely anyone else out there so if they are "all in" on 2018 I hope that he at least had the discussion. The other thing is that the big money is in closing (read: saves) so Reed would have to forego FA-gency and the likely multi-year deal AND accept less money to stay because he knows he's not likely to close here once Familia gets back.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2017 08:11 PM Re: A.J. Ramos

Hmm... [tweet:2aek2el6]https://twitter.com/SlickPulla137/status/891387040180424704[/tweet:2aek2el6]