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IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

G-Fafif Aug 30 2017 08:54 PM

Rafael Montero will pitch for the Mets because somebody has to. Homer Bailey will assume the same role for the Reds. Get psyched. Reyes SS Nimmo RF Cabrera 2B Flores 3B Plawecki C Smith 1B Lagares CF Reynolds LF Montero P

G-Fafif Aug 30 2017 08:56 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Here come some Reds: Ervin CF Cozart SS Votto 1B Duvall LF Gennett 2B Suarez 3B Schebler RF Barnhart C Bailey P

d'Kong76 Aug 30 2017 08:59 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

I'll take Monterrific for a thousand, Alex.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2017 09:01 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

I thirst to be thirsty in Monterrific Bay. [youtube:20x0yx64]tqTcAU8NwMY[/youtube:20x0yx64]

Ashie62 Aug 30 2017 09:20 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Homer has had some rest. After yesterdays beatdown I would expect the Mets to hit.

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2017 11:51 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 30 2017 11:53 PM

Homer Bailey was, along with Phil Hughes, the top pitching prospect in all of baseball a decade ago as the 2007 season started. And while neither has had a bad career, they both kind of prove the old BP adage of TNSTAAPP: There's No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect Bailey: 64-60; 4.44 ERA; 1.36 WHiP Hughes: 88-79; 4.47; 1.31 Bailey also winds up 6th on the list of longest active pitcher to have pitched for just one ML team, although injuries have left him with far fewer games pitched compared to the rest of that group. Bailey - Cincy, made his ML debut in 2007 - tonight is his 187th ML game Glen Perkins, Twins 2006 - 404 games pitched (although only 40 starts) Adam Wainwright, Cards 2005 (as I'm sure you remember) - 343 Matt Cain, Giants 2005 - 340 Felix Hernandez, Mariners 2005 - 372 Justin Verlander, Tigers 2005 - 379 All were 1st round draft picks except for Hernandez since he wasn't subject to the draft at all. All but Wainwright have been only with one organization. Wainwright was drafted by the Braves but traded before his reached the majors.

Zvon Aug 30 2017 11:52 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Going with the MLBtv radio feed tonight. What inning are you in FK?

Frayed Knot Aug 30 2017 11:54 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

It's bottom 3rd, 2 outs

Zvon Aug 30 2017 11:55 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Frayed Knot wrote: It's bottom 3rd, 2 outs Excellent. I'm in sync :). Thank you.

Edgy MD Aug 30 2017 11:59 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Ten more runs, please.

Zvon Aug 31 2017 12:04 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Fkn' Votto. Strand him there Monty!

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 12:09 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Four full innings in under an hour ... is that even allowed in modern baseball?!?

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 12:09 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

He did, with shifty work from Cabrera!

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 12:12 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

OK, the Yanx just got smacked in the back half of their double-header after losing a tight one earlier this afternoon, all of which complete a three-game sweep by the Indians in advance of their final series of the year with the BoSox, a four-gamer in the Bronx starting Thursday. Blowing the lead in this here game would really put a damper on what so far is a great baseball day. So don't do it, OK?

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 12:22 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Reyes's first steal of 3rd tonight was both meaningless and too late -- why sit there with no outs and then one out then decide to go once there are two? And his second attempt there was just plain stupid (1st & 2nd, #3 hitter up, 2 outs) particularly with maybe the best throwing catcher in the league back there.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 12:35 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Yeah, dat wuz dum. Upside: this is a good-hitting team that Montero is shutting down. Downside: this is a bad-pitching team keeping the Reds in the game anyhow.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 12:47 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Yeah, one single since the 1st inning = not good

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:07 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

What a dog-days series with SNY relegating it to Randazzo & Darling.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:16 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

What a job. I don't anticipate that they'll send him out for the ninth, but I hope he starts the inning.

d'Kong76 Aug 31 2017 01:17 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Cy Monterrific ladies and gentlemen, Monterrific.

41Forever Aug 31 2017 01:19 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Just getting here. Is that really Rafael Montero?

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:24 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

And here we are.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 31 2017 01:29 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Here comes Terry. This could still go Randy Tate on us

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:29 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Come on! Should have pulled him after one baserunner.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:34 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Bonzai! Out number two.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:34 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Oh, mercy, Scooter Gennett.

41Forever Aug 31 2017 01:35 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Wow, 117 pitches. But if Terry had pulled him and gone with Ramos to start the inning, I'd have bellyached. Big strikeout!

MFS62 Aug 31 2017 01:35 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Edgy MD wrote: Come on! Should have pulled him after one baserunner. This. Now he can be the loser. Not really great for the guy's confidence (or record), Terry. Ocorta! ( IIRC, that's Japanese for pissed off. And I'm not Japanese, so that tells you how really pissed off I am.) Later

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 01:38 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

BOOKS!! Nothing Ramos threw in those two ABs was anywhere near the middle of the strike zone. Great pitching!!!

themetfairy Aug 31 2017 01:38 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:38 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

But they shut the door. Wow.

MFS62 Aug 31 2017 01:39 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

I'm not Ocorta any more. Kvelling for my kid. Later

d'Kong76 Aug 31 2017 01:39 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Had that all the way.

41Forever Aug 31 2017 01:39 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Exhale!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 31 2017 01:42 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

I gotta say AJ Ramos gets it done. Lots of bending and footstomping and deep counts on everyone but he seems possessed of a rather large pair of testicles.

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 01:46 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

At 2:27 this was the second shortest NYM game of the season [June 12th, deGrom beats Cubs 6-1 at home so only 8-1/2 innings = 2:23] Checking back through the years: - two decades ago in 1997, there were 26 NYM games which ended in under 2:30 - one decade ago in the 2007 season it was 18 (20 really but we won't count the two that were rain-shortened) - tonight's game brought this year's total to 3 Just sayin'

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 01:51 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

MFS62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Come on! Should have pulled him after one baserunner. This. Now he can be the loser. Not really great for the guy's confidence (or record), Terry. And if a reliever blew the game we'd be complaining about Terry managing with stats in mind (I would anyway). I had the mindset going in that I would have pulled him after one runner but it's pretty much a coin flip at that point -- how'd he look against that particular batter for instance (dunno I'd have to look it up but I'm sure Terry had that info at hand) -- and I certainly wouldn't have based the decision on keeping Montero from being in position to get tagged with a loss

MFS62 Aug 31 2017 01:54 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Yeah, but he's my kid, so I get emotional. Later

G-Fafif Aug 31 2017 02:49 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

The answer is Monterrific.

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 03:01 AM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Come on! Should have pulled him after one baserunner. This. Now he can be the loser. Not really great for the guy's confidence (or record), Terry. And if a reliever blew the game we'd be complaining about Terry managing with stats in mind (I would anyway). I wouldn't. I would have pulled Harvey (in the ninth inning of his World Series start) after one baserunner too. Allow the reliever the luxury of coming in with the game in his own hands, not with the tying run already on base, or in scoring position.

MFS62 Aug 31 2017 01:23 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Memo to Terry, Rafael Montero is a STARTER! Stop using him out of the bullpen! Later

Edgy MD Aug 31 2017 01:33 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

I don't think that's the sort of thing that's imprinted on the guy's DNA. Most of his relief work came earlier in the season as guys ahead of him on the depth chart were getting the starts. As it is, most of his earlier work has been bad enough to suggest limiting and targeting his innings to reduce his exposure until he demonstrated a capacity (or the need was such) to increase his role. Manager Collins has shown more faith in him than most.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2017 01:38 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Cast your vote!

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 01:49 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Yeah, two months ago we were complaining THAT Terry was using Montero and that Sandy was allowing him to continue to pollute the roster. Kind of tough now to complain about how he's being used or act as if he's carved out a singular role for himself. What he's earned with his work over the last 4-5 starts is a chance to keep proving himself, and what we've been reminded of is that Captain Renault's warning to Rick about how wasteful it is to throw away women because some day they may be scarce applies just as much to pitchers. btw, Montero has been used just once as a reliever since the ASB (for 16 pitches over 1/3 of an inning during a double-header) and 11 of his last 13 outings have been as a starter, so it's not like Terry has been jerking him all back and forth lately.

Ashie62 Aug 31 2017 03:06 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

MFS62 wrote: Memo to Terry, Rafael Montero is a STARTER! Stop using him out of the bullpen! Later We may have found a very nice starter for next year.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 31 2017 03:13 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Maybe! But I'd like to see a more sustained run of success before I feel that he can be counted on.

MFS62 Aug 31 2017 03:27 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

Since I posted that, I heard a portion of Terry's presser and he had nothing but good things to say about Montero and (I paraphrase) said he'll be using him as a starter from now on. Nice to hear that he'll be giving him the chance to prove himself as a future member of the rotation. Later

Frayed Knot Aug 31 2017 03:44 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?

MFS62 wrote: ... I heard a portion of Terry's presser and he had nothing but good things to say about Montero and (I paraphrase) said he'll be using him as a starter from now on. Given the (lack of) other options, Montero was going to start down the stretch pretty much no matter what. The only difference now is that the dread which had previously accompanied each of his starts has been more or less tempered. What his role (or his team) will be next year is a long way from being decided.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 15 2017 03:13 PM Re: IGT 8/30/2017: NYM@CIN -- Monterrible or Monterrific?