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Frayed Knot Aug 25 2017 03:02 AM

Mets blog (although they don't say where they go the info from): Conforto has had the same type of injury in the past, according to manager Terry Collins ... [the] X-rays following the game that turned out to be negative. However, an MRI revealed a tear in the posterior capsule in his shoulder. All treatment options are on the table, including surgery to repair the capsule ... Blue Jays OF (and former Met) Darrell Ceciliani suffered a similar injury on May 19 -- a partial dislocation of his left shoulder -- while hitting a home run. Ceciliani did not play in another game this season, undergoing season-ending surgery earlier this month.

Zvon Aug 25 2017 04:06 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

....so much for my good vibes. If you need me I'll be sitting here shaking my head negatively for the next few days.

DocTee Aug 25 2017 03:43 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

If he needs surgery here's hoping its done soon, and not after a three month wait like Ceciliani.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2017 04:05 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Yeah, but that was Obama's fault.

Rockin' Doc Aug 26 2017 04:03 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Don't put this on Obama. Blame can be apportioned to many sides, many sides.

cooby Aug 28 2017 02:31 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Lol, Rockin Doc and wouldn't this totally suck? Blue Jays OF (and former Met) Darrell Ceciliani suffered a similar injury on May 19 -- a partial dislocation of his left shoulder -- while hitting a home run

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2017 02:28 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Conforto to get a second opinion on Tuesday (OK, you're ugly too); various options still on the table although I can't imagine how this ends without him going under the knife.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2017 05:49 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

NY Post: Michael Conforto, who damaged his left shoulder in a freak incident last week, will undergo surgery to repair a tear in the joint’s posterior capsule, the team announced Saturday. The Mets did not provide a timetable for Conforto’s return, but there is concern within the organization, according to sources, that rehab could last into next spring training and beyond. And so it goes.

themetfairy Sep 02 2017 06:22 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

I'll say it here - the hysteria over Conforto's timetable is overblown and, at the very least, premature. I'm basing this on D-Dad's recent surgical experience at HSS, which involved both the labrum and the glenoid. His post-op recovery is going beautifully. I can't believe that a 24-year-old can't recover from capsule surgery (which presumably can also be done arthroscopically) at least as quickly as D-Dad is progressing.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2017 07:36 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea.

themetfairy Sep 02 2017 07:44 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

True, but being hysterical over speculation of how one's post-surgery recovery might go before the surgery has happened is worse.

Frayed Knot Sep 02 2017 07:56 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

THEY are the ones NOT putting a timetable on it, but have to plan for the possibility that his recovery could last into next season.

themetfairy Sep 02 2017 08:12 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Might as well wait to see how the surgery goes first. A week isn't going to make a difference at this point.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 02 2017 08:16 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Frayed Knot wrote: Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea. Especially when one guy has to hit 95MPH fast balls for a living and the other guy has a desk job.

41Forever Sep 02 2017 10:43 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

themetfairy wrote: Might as well wait to see how the surgery goes first. A week isn't going to make a difference at this point. Glad to hear D-Dad is doing well, MF. I'll take any positive sign I can get. Keep us posted.

themetfairy Sep 02 2017 11:15 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Thanks 41!

Frayed Knot Sep 03 2017 01:27 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Basing one person's surgery on another person's surgery is a really bad idea. Especially when one guy has to hit 95MPH fast balls for a living and the other guy has a desk job. I've been unable to hit 95 mph fastballs ever since my shoulder surgery a bunch of years ago.

Nymr83 Sep 03 2017 02:24 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery. Obviously, no two injuries are exactly the same. That being said, IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think the man who is much younger, doesnt have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner.

themetfairy Sep 03 2017 02:49 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Nymr83 wrote: Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery. Obviously, no two injuries are exactly the same. That being said, IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think the man who is much younger, doesnt have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner. Thanks nymr.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2017 03:25 AM Re: Shouldering the burden Edited 6 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2017 03:55 AM

Nymr83 wrote: Best of luck to D-Dad in his recovery. IF the injury was the same, you'd have to think [that Conforto] the man who is much younger, doesnt [sic] have children to chase around, and has no other job besides rehabbing, is in much better shape to recover sooner. Even if they had the exact same injury, both in kind and in degree, this comparison couldn't possibly be more pointless, and more of an apples and oranges things, because you have recovery goals that couldn't be farther apart. One guy's trying to resume, what I presume to be an ordinary everyman routine, to lead the kind of life we're all too familiar with. Like being able to carry a 20 pound of groceries without discomfort. Or being able to shovel the snow off of his driveway. Or being able to soft toss a frisbee or have a catch with his kids. The other guy, like I said, wants to be able to hit 95MPH fastballs ... wants to destroy Max Scherzer and Clayton Kershaw ... wants to be what he was right before his shoulder injury -- one of the 30 or 40 best baseball hitters in the whole wide world of seven and a half billion people (and try working the math out on those odds) ... wants to be able to dive on his surgically repaired shoulder, which happens to be connected to his glove hand, to spear line drives approaching him at upwards of 100MPH+ while sinking to where his ankles are. Even the same exact same recovery could yield drastically different outcomes. If D-dad loses two to five percent of range of motion, he might not even notice it, or might not be affected in a meaningful way, even if he does notice the slight loss in range. A five percent loss of range of motion for Conforto might be the difference between superstardom and something less. Maybe significantly less. It might mean the loss of dozens of millions of dollars in potential earnings, among many other things. That you're even thinking of, let alone making this comparison is ridiculous.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2017 03:29 AM Re: Shouldering the burden Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2017 03:44 AM

And let me join my fellow CPF'ers in wishing D-Dad a warm and sincere get well wish here. My fellow CPFers. You know. The two Republicans who stick it to me in the political thread as if I'm the only liberal in America and Betsy Devos is a great American. I'm sure they didn't wish D-Dad well at least in part, to show me up.

themetfairy Sep 03 2017 03:42 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Thanks Batmags. Two months out from surgery, D-Dad is doing great. He's close to 100% mobility and now working primarily on strength. Which is why I'm reluctant to get hysterical about Conforto's timetable, especially before he's even had his surgery. It's pointless to assume the worst at this point.

Centerfield Sep 03 2017 05:42 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

My two cents here. Since Conforto hurt his shoulder I've heard: *that he will never be the same. And that this could be a recurring injury, with a great chance that he will never recover to where he was before *that he will be just as good once he goes under the knife. Sure the rehab is tough, but he'll be completely healed when it's all said and done. *that the typical recovery from surgery is 3-6 months *that the typical recovery from surgery is 9-12 months *it's similar to Ceciliani/Matt Kemp *that this has happened to no one in the history of time. Ever. So yeah, input from someone who has had the same injury, had the same surgery, in the same hospital, and likely the same surgeons, as Conforto, is appreciated. No, it's not definitive. But is it more so than input from doctors who submit articles online without ever having examined the patient? Probably. It's close at least. Sure. It makes sense for the Mets to not put a specific timeline on the recovery and plan for the worst. That is prudent practice. Do I actually believe they will do this? (At least without ignoring another glaring need?) Um, no. I expect them to go into 2018 like they've gone into every season in recent history. Assuming that everything breaks right for them, and if that happens, being just competitive enough to compete for the post-season.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2017 08:03 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Centerfield wrote: My two cents here. Since Conforto hurt his shoulder I've heard: [***] *that the typical recovery from surgery is 3-6 months *that the typical recovery from surgery is 9-12 months These are different ranges of recovery for the injury because even the same type of injury could differ in degree. And I think it's OK to express concern. The high range of recovery is about a year. And virtually every single every day position player who ever sustained an injury that required about 12 months of rehab before resuming play, returned diminished. Diminished ceilings. Or diminished performance compared to that player's pre injury level of play. Or both. What I'm saying in other words is that any position player who misses about a year because of an injury is almost always never quite the same ballplayer upon returning.

Ceetar Sep 03 2017 01:04 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

roughly 6 months to Spring Training. I assume our hopes and prognosis for Conforto isn't going to change until(if?) he starts doing baseball activities then.

Centerfield Sep 07 2017 09:01 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Surgery successful by all accounts. Should be ready in about 6 months, give or take. Puts him at March 1. Not sure how you build contingencies if you're Sandy. I guess you assume he's healthy and plug in Nimmo in the event he isn't.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2017 02:59 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Centerfield wrote: Surgery successful by all accounts. Should be ready in about 6 months, give or take. Puts him at March 1. This scares me because my crude but accurate method for predicting when a baseball player returns from an injury is to take the amount of time that the team PR puts out there (6 months in this case) and to double it. Multiply it by two. That means that Conforto misses just about all of next season instead of missing none of it.

cooby Sep 08 2017 03:05 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Not to be mean, but really is Conforto the only Met on the team? I think a year or six months without him will not spell our doom Calm down guys

Rockin' Doc Sep 09 2017 03:48 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Conforto isn't the only Met on the team, but this year he was the best and most reliable Met on the team. He and Cespedes are the two most dongerous hitters the Mets have at this point. Cespedes is has proven to be rather injury prone and has been unable to stay in the line up for any prolonged stretch and if Conforto is out for a large portion of the season, the Mets offense could be pretty anemic next year. The Mets have had two horrendous seasons of widespread injuries that have decimated the line up. The Mets need to be healthy if they are to have a reasonable chance of contending for a play off spot next season. Conforto's injury is potentially a very significant blow to the Mets 2018 season.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2017 04:04 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Rockin' Doc wrote: He and Cespedes are the two most dongerous hitters the Mets have at this point. I don't know it was intentional, but you just coined a great new word, specially made for these dongerous times we're living in. Congratulations!

Rockin' Doc Sep 10 2017 01:21 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

I regret that I did not try harder in the typing course that my mother made me take during my junior year of high school. I thought typing was a stupid waste of time. Unfortunately, I did not forseee the age of computers.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2017 02:03 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

I should have tried harder in my optometry course.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2017 01:55 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Joel Sherman wrote: Michael Conforto has received excellent medical updates from his surgeons and should be swinging a bat by late January, according to his representatives. Conforto, who had left shoulder surgery in September, is working out regularly and should be a full-go for spring training, at which point it will be up to the Mets to decide if they want to limit his at-bats and have him gradually build up and potentially even miss Opening Day.

Ceetar Nov 16 2017 02:06 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Joel Sherman wrote: Michael Conforto has received excellent medical updates from his surgeons and should be swinging a bat by late January, according to his representatives. Conforto, who had left shoulder surgery in September, is working out regularly and should be a full-go for spring training, at which point it will be up to the Mets to decide if they want to limit his at-bats and have him gradually build up and potentially even miss Opening Day. This is why we hate you Sherman "Hey Mets fans, good news, Conforto's on track! but let's talk about him missing Opening Day anyway."

41Forever Nov 16 2017 02:18 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Joel Sherman wrote: Michael Conforto has received excellent medical updates from his surgeons and should be swinging a bat by late January, according to his representatives. Conforto, who had left shoulder surgery in September, is working out regularly and should be a full-go for spring training, at which point it will be up to the Mets to decide if they want to limit his at-bats and have him gradually build up and potentially even miss Opening Day. This is why we hate you Sherman "Hey Mets fans, good news, Conforto's on track! but let's talk about him missing Opening Day anyway." Isn't spring training a process of building everyone up gradually? If he's "a full-go" for spring training, then it shouldn't be a problem. But now Sherman has created some drama.

MFS62 Nov 16 2017 02:20 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Ceetar wrote: This is why we hate you Sherman "Hey Mets fans, good news, Conforto's on track! but let's talk about him missing Opening Day anyway." Y'mean the fact that he's a YLDB isn't reason enough? Later

Edgy MD Nov 16 2017 02:23 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

How do you even get "should be swinging a bat by late January" and "potentially even miss Opening Day" into the same paragraph? That's totally not news!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2017 02:28 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Geez. You guys have a bat up your butts on Sherman and have to be willfully overlooking the nature of injury recovery and its history particularly with the Mets to read something sinister into Sherman covering the bases on this. Jeez Louise, until yesterday (thanks to Joel Sherman doing the good job he does) I'd say most of us were convinced he would miss opening day.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2017 02:36 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that paragraph. It's not out of the question that the Mets might opt to go a little slow with Conforto and it doesn't dilute the good news at all. If they go a little slow and Conforto doesn't debut until April 15 it's still very good news.

Ceetar Nov 16 2017 02:41 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

It's because he injected his own personal pessimism into the statement. the news is his checkups were good. He even doubles down with "he should be a full-go" and then makes up a reason for the Mets to, in fact, not have him at full-go. It's a direct contradiction. It's like he thought "Oh, did I just say it's all fine and dandy? instead of rewriting i'll just tack on some hedg-y words that don't come from the Mets but will 'cover my bases'" It's like waiting until Alderson's like "no deal" and saying "I clearly meant _pending physicals_"

Edgy MD Nov 16 2017 02:43 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

I got nothing against Sherman. I just think the range of outcomes listed is pretty much where I had previously understood it to be, sort of "The Mets will consider signing both lefthanded and righthanded players" type of news.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2017 02:55 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

I suppose so. I remain impressed with Ceets' determination to read motivation into such an innocuous passage. Does anyone doubt that if Scooter does miss opening day the print reporters would be slammed for having mislead us?

seawolf17 Nov 16 2017 03:09 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I suppose so. I remain impressed with Ceets' determination to read motivation into such an innocuous passage. Does anyone doubt that if Scooter does miss opening day the print reporters would be slammed for having mislead us? FFS NOBODY ACTUALLY CALLS HIM SCOOTER I'm excited to get tickets for Conforto's big return from the DL when rosters expand in September.

Edgy MD Nov 16 2017 03:11 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

I didn't think there's anything sinister there. I just thought it was funny. What sportswriter really could be expected to meaningfully understand the nuances of medical reports, even though their beats are full of them? And, of course, Conforto could be raring to go, with the Mets cautiously riding the brakes, like they were with Syndergaard all through September. And the team doesn't even have a full training staff yet, so where can a reporter realistically plant his flag with regard to Conforto's return? The question overshadowing the whole enterprise is Can or should the Mets be recruiting a third starting-quality outfielder limited to the corners? I don't know, and I imagine opinion varies in the Mets' braintrust, too.

Ceetar Nov 16 2017 03:12 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I suppose so. I remain impressed with Ceets' determination to read motivation into such an innocuous passage. Does anyone doubt that if Scooter does miss opening day the print reporters would be slammed for having mislead us? see, but the way Sherman wrote he he's both blameless and culpable in both outcomes. Though usually they're quick to get out ahead of the injury and put the blame on the Mets somewhere. Because he's literally reporting on a routine appointment. This is a "no news is good news" situation. It's a healing as expected checkup on a procedure. it's not actually good news, as it's being spun universally where I've seen it. It's just news, as far as 'no setbacks but haven't actually tested anything' is news. But this is par for the course when you have to file filler content in slow times. It's similar to the "Mets remain interested in Lorenzo Cain but talks haven't progressed" that will probably make headlines today or tomorrow. Actually maybe not today or tomorrow, they're busy promoting Boras' clients for him right now, because he's using big words and analogies!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 16 2017 05:30 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

The truth is it could go either way though.

Ceetar Nov 16 2017 07:08 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The truth is it could go either way though. I just saw a big long post that said the Mets basically don't need to worry about signing another possible corner OF guy now.

Centerfield Apr 05 2018 08:59 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Let's go back to August of 2017. We are all pretty bummed about what we just saw. Suddenly, KC pulls up in his Delorean and says: "Hey guys, I know it sucks now, but just wanted to let you know that he's only going to miss 5 games. And he probably didn't even need to miss them, it's just that Nimmo's been lighting the world on fire and we wanted to get him some consistent looks. Anyway, Conforto returns in game 6, the first game against the Nats. He hits a 2 run tiebreaking HR off Strassburg, and the Mets go on to win 8-2 and extend their first place lead." Suddenly, not so bad right?

Edgy MD Apr 06 2018 03:59 AM Re: Shouldering the burden

Maybe the one with the DeLorean was The Met Fairy. Is this the thread that she ended her tenure on?

Centerfield Oct 05 2018 12:37 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Yeah, I think this was metfairy’s last flight.

Centerfield Oct 05 2018 03:50 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

themetfairy wrote: I'll say it here - the hysteria over Conforto's timetable is overblown and, at the very least, premature. I'm basing this on D-Dad's recent surgical experience at HSS, which involved both the labrum and the glenoid. His post-op recovery is going beautifully. I can't believe that a 24-year-old can't recover from capsule surgery (which presumably can also be done arthroscopically) at least as quickly as D-Dad is progressing. Here's why metfairy is a better person than me. If I had written this, no chance I'm not doing a victory lap all over the forum.

Edgy MD Oct 05 2018 04:59 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

Maybe, but his early-season performance certainly suggested to me that that he was on the field too early. It may just be coincidence, or maybe he was going to be rusty no matter when he came back, but he was getting murdered by hard inside stuff before the break.

smg58 Oct 05 2018 05:35 PM Re: Shouldering the burden

He could have used more time to build up stamina, but playing didn't make the shoulder worse. I think/hope an offseason spent resting rather than rehabbing will do him a lot of good.