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Vic Sage Aug 23 2017 05:28 PM Edited 8 time(s), most recently on Sep 21 2017 05:45 PM

The recent flurry of signings and invites make it look like this is their roster going into training camp (assuming Anthony stays) for this upcoming season: current projected rotation starters - Sessions / Hardaway / Anthony / Porzingis / Hernangomez* backups - Jack / Lee / Thomas / Beasley / OQuinn bench - Ntikilina (G) / Baker (G) / reserves - Hayes (F) / Dotson (G-F) / Randle (G)* G-League - Kornet (F),_____ *suspended: Noah (1st 12 games) *released - Randle (PG) [after Noah's suspension] Addtional invitees - Nathan-Mayes (G), J.Artis (SG/SF) Europe - Jaramaz (G), Labeyrie (F/C) They can hand out two "2-way" contracts, which will allow 2 of their G-League guys to also play on the Knicks (for a limited time during the season) without being counted on the 15-man roster. They've signed Kornet to a 2W deal, so they have one more, which could go to Artis, Nathan-Mayes, one of the Europeans, or somebody else. Or nobody. I'm not sure about what they plan to do with the PG position. Sessions isn't really a starter at this point, and probably can't give them more than 15-20 min/gm. Would they really start Baker? They gave him a 3-year commitment, but he's still more of a 2-guard than a point. And Ntilikina is a project; i doubt they'll play him in the rotation, much less start him, at least in the beginning. Either Jack or Randle will win the the 3rd PG slot (with Baker as a 4th), but they'll only keep both until Noah comes off suspension. And once he comes back, if Noah keeps playing like shit, i'm hoping that'll put OQuinn back in the rotation. Just because they gave him a bad contract doesn't mean they have to keep playing him. If he had any courtesy, he'd just retire. . My preferred rotation (at this point) would be: starters: Sessions / Hardaway / Thomas / Anthony / Porz - [Sessions gives them experience and consistency at PG, Thomas gives them some D on wing, Anthony & Porz match up better at 4/5, rather than at 3/4] backups: Baker/ Lee / Beasley / OQuinn / Hernangomez - [Lee and Beasley give them instant O off the bench, OQ and BillieH give them rebounds, and Baker offers D at PG, until Ntilikina is ready] bench: Ntilikina / Dotson / Hayes - [kids can watch until they show they're ready to get minutes] reserves: Randle or Jack / Artis - [injuries happen, and Artis has more upside than other invitees; either Jack or Randle can win a slot, the other gets released] G-League (2-way): Kornet / Nathan-Mayes - [I guess] Europe: Jaramaz / Labeyrie - [who knows?] Retired: Noah - [please god make him go away] Released: Jack or Randle

d'Kong76 Sep 07 2017 05:00 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Win, schwim... Dolan is rolling in dough

Nymr83 Sep 07 2017 05:58 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

eh, whatever. its not like this is baseball where you could criticize the owners if they dont spend. Dolan has never been unwilling to invest in the team but those investments are limited by the cap.

d'Kong76 Sep 07 2017 06:26 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I ain't criticizing anything, you're so fucking dismissive sometimes. It's for information purposes, don't read it if you don't want to.

Vic Sage Sep 07 2017 06:40 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

it irks me, that he continues to rake it in while raking us over the coals. I feel irked. It is quite irksome. Dolan is such an irk.

Nymr83 Sep 08 2017 03:31 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic - article on McGrady being a rare player who goes into the HOF without his jersey retired goes into the Knicks as well - should Gallatin, Guerin and King be retired? [url]http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20623418/hall-famer-tracy-mcgrady-jersey-ever-retired

Vic Sage Sep 08 2017 07:11 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

yes on Harry the Horse and Little Richie, but Bernie, love him as i did, wasn't here long enough to get a retired number. He played parts of 3 seasons, missing many games in that stretch and blowing out his knee toward the end of the 3rd season.

MFS62 Sep 09 2017 01:58 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic Sage wrote: yes on Harry the Horse and Little Richie, but Bernie, love him as i did, wasn't here long enough to get a retired number. He played parts of 3 seasons, missing many games in that stretch and blowing out his knee toward the end of the 3rd season. Agree on all points. And I think Guerin's backcourt mate, Carl Braun, deserves it, too. Later

Nymr83 Sep 15 2017 12:10 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks add Jarrett Jack, veteran PG who has missed most of the last 2 years.

MFS62 Sep 15 2017 12:25 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 wrote: Knicks add Jarrett Jack, veteran PG who has missed most of the last 2 years. That was because he injured himself when playing for the Nets. Later

Lefty Specialist Sep 23 2017 06:41 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Melo to the Thunder. That should be fun.

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 06:52 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

So long, douche...

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 07:24 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

The Knicks have agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony to Oklahoma City in exchange for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The pick headed to New York is the Bulls 2018 second-rounder. The Knicks are obviously giving up the best player in the deal without getting back anything close to equal value, but their leverage was limited by the fact that Melo had a no-trade clause. It will be fascinating to see how Anthony fits in alongside Russell Westbrook and Paul George in OKC. All three players finished within the top-20 overall in Usage Rate last season and will now be forced to make sacrifices on the offensive end. Melo won't be able to match the numbers he posted as the focal point in New York. Sep 23 - 1:09 PM

Nymr83 Sep 24 2017 03:06 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

the Knicks needed to move on. While it is unfortunate that they got nothing back, I'd rather have Melo the ball-stopper out of here for the sake of the development of the younger guys who will (we hope) be together when the Knicks are good again.

Vic Sage Sep 25 2017 05:42 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

starters: Jack / Hardaway / Lee / Porzingis / Kanter backups: Sessions / Thomas / Beasley / OQuinn / Hernangomez bench: Ntilikina / Baker / McDermott reserves: Dotson / Hayes * Suspended: Noah [1st 12 games]* G-League : Artis / Kornet released/G-league: Randle, Rathan-Mayes Europe: Jaramaz / Labeyrie

Nymr83 Sep 26 2017 12:59 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

you have nothing to add, vic? Noah's contract is likely un-moveable and i like Hernangomez. O'Quinn's contract is a nice value but do we need 4 centers plus a power-forward who gets minutes there? time for another move i think

Vic Sage Sep 26 2017 09:15 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 wrote: you have nothing to add, vic? Noah's contract is likely un-moveable and i like Hernangomez. O'Quinn's contract is a nice value but do we need 4 centers plus a power-forward who gets minutes there? time for another move i think I'm frustrated with the "talent" we got for Melo (not even a 1stR pick), and i don't think it matches our needs. That being said, it's done and now we move on. I like OQuinn and Hernangomez, too. and yes, Noah is an albatross... Phil's gift that keeps on giving. And with Porz a viable center, too, they need to flip Kanter for another pick and/or a veteran PG to mentor Ntilikina that is better than Jack or Sessions (that's a pretty low bar).

d'Kong76 Oct 19 2017 05:26 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Welcome distraction tonight at 8:00 on TNT. The over/under against Carmelo and the Thunder is only between 11-12... my guess is the lose by at least 20. A welcome distraction nonetheless.

MFS62 Oct 19 2017 11:02 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

My team's season is already over. Jeremy Lin snapped a patella tendon in last night's Nets opener and is lost for the season, thereby insuring that the Knicks won't finish in last place this year. I'm not having a great sports year. Later

Vic Sage Oct 20 2017 09:05 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

opening day roster / rotations: Starters: Sessions / Hardaway / Lee / Porzingis / Kanter backups: Baker / Thomas / McDermott / Beasley / OQuinn bench: Ntilikina / Dotson / Hernangomez inactive: Kuzminskas, Jack* Suspended: Noah [1st 12 games]* G-League : Kornet / Hicks Europe: Jaramaz / Labeyrie *Once Noah comes back, somebody (probably Jack) will need to be cut. Hornacek didn't give minutes to the kids in game 1, but now, with Beasley's sprained ankle, maybe Billy will at least get some court time. Once we trade Lee, OQ and Kanter by the trading deadline, I'm hoping we see a line of Ntilikina-Dotson-Hardaway-Porzingis-Hernangomez getting 30 minutes a night. we'll lose 60 but it'll be fun.

HahnSolo Oct 22 2017 11:29 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

From the limited amount I've seen of the two games, Kanter has looked better than I expected; I hope Frank can unseat Baker as the #2 point; and I am a little surprised at how little run Hernangomez has gotten. But it's a long season and those things can change quickly.

Vic Sage Oct 24 2017 05:56 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

yes; yes; me, too; and you're right.

Vic Sage Oct 24 2017 05:58 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

that rumor about Bledsoe for Ntililina and Billy better be fake news. I don't blame AZ for asking, but i hope we hung up before they even got the "Ntilik..." out.

Nymr83 Oct 24 2017 11:45 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

"We'll take his contract off your hands if you take Noah's", otherwise screw it

Vic Sage Oct 26 2017 08:55 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

so what are the chances they go 0-82?

Nymr83 Oct 26 2017 11:56 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

SUCK FOR SAM! Oh, wrong sport. Maybe they can teach the Jets hiw to tank a season?

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2017 05:26 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nets at Knicks tonight and they're in the news! Big news. Reports that one of Tsai's negotiating points was that the team be returned to it's proper name, The New York Nets, and that the sham name be retired but I've only heard that on the air and haven't seen it in print. Yet.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2017 05:28 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

If 49% of the Nets is worth $2.3 bil, imagine what the Knicks are worth?

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2017 06:14 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I can't be the only one who believes that the NBA is in the midst of a bit of a 'bubble', can I? They're currently being buoyed by the money ESPN and (to a somewhat lesser extent) TNT are paying them and by mega-stars such as LeBron & Curry, etc. And while that TV cash is just starting to roll in and the fact that there'll always be the next pretty young thing coming along in this star-driven sport after the current crop gets old, it also seems that ESPN was regretting the price they paid almost before the the contract began. Now add in the cord-cutting/non-TV watching millennials that are affecting the numbers in all sports across the board (even for King Football) along with the wildly divergent have-vs-have-not nature of the teams now, I could definitely see a correction factor coming the NBA's way in the next couple of years leaving a few billionaires to wonder; "I paid WHAT for this red ink drowning, rag-tag outfit?" Or maybe I'm all wrong as usual, but no arrow points upward forever and when ex-Microsoft honcho Ballmer decided that the freakin' Clippers were worth $2 Billion (that's with a 'B' as people always like to point out when they speak of Billion) it seems to have touched off a me-too-ism trend that might not turn out to look so smart in the long run.

Nymr83 Oct 27 2017 06:57 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I would agree with the premise that the value of the NEXT tv deal is likely to be a painful cut for the owners. I don't thing the stardom of Lebron/Curry matters much. maybe to their specific cities sure, but for the NBA as a whole they'll always be marketing someone(s) as the face(s) of the league and its all the same.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2017 07:03 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Frayed Knot wrote: I can't be the only one who believes that the NBA is in the midst of a bit of a 'bubble', can I? Hard to say, seems like the NBA has died a dozen deaths but life goes on. I think there is much more of an international interest these days but don't know how to measure that or whether it matters. I don't know any young people that think of Knicks/Nets regular season game as must-see tv and certainly not must-go-to. From the interest in this thread there aren't many NBA fans here either. On a different note, I've been saying for the last fifteen years that the way inflation is monitored and reported on is a bunch of hooey. $2 billion just isn't as big a number as it was fifteen years ago. I had a English muffin this morning and glanced at the plastic tie thing to check the date and they cost $4.29! For four muffins? My Friday NYT's news- stand price is $2.50. It's crazy.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 27 2017 07:29 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Cord-cutters who stream can still get the elite games on TNT and ESPN so I don't think that would affect the NBA the same as it would other sports. I also think fans of the NBA are more likely to tune into teams they don't follow to see freaks like Giannis. I mean, I watched part of the Bucks/Celts game last night (TNT on Sling) just to see him and I can't say I've tuned into an Angels game just to watch Trout. WRT to regular season games being "must see", I think you could say the same about any sport. They're important if they're important given playoff context or rivalry, otherwise you go just because you dig it. And lastly, Tim Hardaway Jr. sucks so hard. Like, bad.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2017 07:55 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Well, maybe must-see was a bit strong but the buzz surrounding a cross-town game used to have much more of a buzz in the tri-state area than it does now.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2017 08:11 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Oh life will certainly go on for the NBA; I'm not suggesting it's on the verge of collapsing in a fiery heap. But there are only so many 'must see' games in a year, only so many times the two networks can show their go-to stars facing each other, and the top and worst teams are essentially all sorted out by around Thanksgiving to the point where the rest of the season is essentially a five month slog of sorting out playoff seedings among the mediocre middle who aren't going to crash the finals party anyway. Then I look at doormats such as Philly and wonder why -- given their multiple seasons of (admitted) tanking in order to get high draft picks only to turn around and either trade them for other future high drafts picks or "red shirt" them until their rookie contracts are almost up -- and wonder why the attendance at their games has averaged even triple digits/per over the last half decade or more.

Nymr83 Oct 27 2017 11:49 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

the NBA would benefit from either shorter playoffs with less teams (so the regular season matters) or just a shorter regular season. neither will happen.

Nymr83 Oct 30 2017 01:05 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks lead the Lebrons 92-75 after 3 quarters. theres only 3 quarters, right?

Nymr83 Oct 30 2017 02:48 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

nice win tonight, including a spirited Porzingis-led run in the 4th quarter to win by 19 after the Cabs had the lead as low as I think 4. the starters played heavy minutes minutes tonight with another healthy scratch for Hernangomez being ... puzzling.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2017 01:56 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Isn't there a rule where you get automatically relegated to the 'D' league if you lose to the Nets and Knicks in the same week? If not there should be, it's just surprising that the Cavs would be the one caught up in that technicality.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 30 2017 02:56 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Tim Hardaway, Jr.!

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2017 03:19 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Right? I was just looking at the box score and was like wuh...

Vic Sage Nov 01 2017 07:41 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

3 in a row! KP dominating! Jack replacing Sessions has really settled down the offense, and Ntilikina is boosting the D. I still don't think this is a playoff team unless ntilikina takes off as a ROY candidate.

Nymr83 Nov 02 2017 12:31 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

in the East, the 8 seed is never out of reach!

Vic Sage Nov 04 2017 05:06 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

another 30+ night for KP, another win. Melo who?

d'Kong76 Nov 06 2017 02:54 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

What a Knicks' 4th quarter and game by KP tonight. Just wow!

Nymr83 Nov 06 2017 04:38 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

MVP!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 06 2017 09:18 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

No idea how long it lasts, but this team is playing some inspired ball. I mean, yeah, it starts and ends with our unicorn... but it isn't JUST KP, right? Ntilikina, Lil' Penny, complimentary parts like O'Quinn and (Scotch Plains native!) Lance Thomas... These guys are doing so many little things right when they're on. But yeah, Mr. Latvia. Blocks, silky jumpers, drives... And my favorite part of the whole damn Pacers comeback may have been Porzingis stepping in to take a charge. I mean... he's Bernie King in Nowitzki's body doing young Ewing and Mase things. Criminy, this kid.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2017 04:59 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I'm getting tempted to start watching the Knicks again. Who is this Porzingis I'm hearing so much about? The Knicks’ Latest Savior May Be The Actual Savior By Kyle Wagner Filed under NBA The recent history of M-V-P chants in Madison Square Garden is almost exclusively sarcastic. Recent recipients include but are not limited to: backup guard Ron Baker, disintegrating guard Derrick Rose, backup big man Quincy Acy, and Metta World Peace, in a game in which he played two minutes, went 1-for-3 from the floor, missed two free throws, and was a Los Angeles Laker. Now Knick fans are chanting for Kristaps Porzingis, and for the first time in a generation, they may have a point. Porzingis scored a career-high 38 points in the Knicks’ 116-110 win over the Denver Nuggets on Monday, and New York is riding a three-game win streak. In Porzingis’s first season with the Knicks, he didn’t have a single 30-point game. Last season, his second in New York, he had just three. He has opened 2017-18 by scoring at least 30 in five of six games and, more important, has made it look like this is his new normal. It’s a soft week in the schedule, and the season still likely ends in doom. But that’s almost entirely beside the point if the 22-year-old, 7-foot-3 Porzingis can maintain anything like this early season form. If he can, the Knicks would no longer be building around potential: They’d be building around one of the best players in the league today. Broadly speaking, there are two kinds of franchise-level prospects in the NBA. One has all the obvious grace and talent of a perennial All-Star right out the box and only needs to add rudimentary pieces to his game to grow into that role. These are guys like John Wall, Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. The other tends to be the kind fans understand mainly through scouting reports and evaluators. This one’s talent is just as obvious, but there are questions about whether he can thrive as the centerpiece of a team and carry an offense. Paul George, Kawhi Leonard and Kristaps Porzingis answer roll call over here. Coming into this season, Porzingis had played about 1,500 minutes without Carmelo Anthony on the floor according to NBAWOWY.com, and his stats in those minutes were nearly identical to when Anthony was on the floor. He had roughly the same usage rate, the same true shooting percentage, even took the same types of shots. That’s encouraging in a way — Porzingis didn’t fold without Anthony on the floor to draw the defense away — but it also implies that Porzingis wasn’t stepping into a larger role, even with the floor to himself. Through six games this season, Porzingis looks more like a primary option. He’s shouldering a massive amount of the offense — 35.1 usage percentage — while improving his efficiency (57 true shooting percentage, up from 54.6 a season ago and 51.8 as a rookie). That usage percentage doesn’t even present the whole picture, though, because Porzingis’s turnover rate is so low1 that he’s a different category of volume scorer than other recent high-usage players. For a more direct comparison, his 33.1 field goal attempts per 100 possessions leads the league by a mile and would have nipped at Russell Westbrook’s heels last season. Porzingis doesn’t (yet) facilitate the rest of the offense the way players like Westbrook do, but for sheer scoring burden, he has entered the very upper crust. Kristaps is carrying the Knicks SEASON TRUE SHOOTING % TURNOVER % USAGE % FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS/100 2015-16 51.8% 10.9% 24.6% 22.2 2016-17 54.6 9.7 24.3 22.8 2017-18 57.0 8.3 35.1 33.1 Source: Basketball-reference.com He’s also increasingly comfortable using the threat of his jumper to get into position for easy shots in the paint, using up-fakes like a guard to take the ball from the top of the key into the post. That inflated usage rate didn’t happen by accident — it’s a reflection of Porzingis’s forcing his way into the flow of the game. Against Detroit in the home opener, Porzingis bullied his way into prime post position when he had a smaller defender on him — poor Stanley Johnson couldn’t touch that jumper with a tennis racket. Against Denver on Monday night, he pulled up from Steph Curry range and used the respect that those shots demanded from his defender to slash to the rim. His off-ball movement has become more purposeful, bringing him back into the action, not away from it. After Monday’s night’s win, teammate Courtney Lee said: “He’s getting stronger and starting to understand where his spots on the floor are. Then it’s on us getting him the ball in the right place.” Often, the right place for Porzingis is a spot that couldn’t work for any other player in the league. Sometimes this is subtle, such as when Porzingis lolls into the high post and his teammates can throw him an entry pass that touches the stratosphere. Other times, it’s more obvious: [youtube]Nggj82L_pV8[/youtube] There’s a long way to go from a three-game winning streak to playoff relevance. Part of that journey will include determining whether the Knicks can count on games like these out of Porzingis over the long haul. Another will be finding out whether Porzingis’s slippage on defense — he’s been merely above average this season,2 after being one of the best rim protectors in the league a season ago — is only temporary or a necessary tradeoff for this kind of offense. Overreaction and delusion are mixed into the concrete at Madison Square Garden. Over time, Mike Sweetney bleeds into David Lee into Nate Robinson into Landry Fields. Linsanity comes and goes. Believing in the rise of Porzingis necessarily requires a reckoning with the decades of false hope the Knicks have wrought on their fans. But even the Knicks can’t unmake reality. Porzingis really is out there making those cuts, canning those threes, posting those Lilliputian opposing frontcourts into jelly. He really is matching hype to underlying analytic promise. And maybe, if everything breaks just right, that will be enough to get Knick fans a stronger MVP candidate than Ron Baker’s haircut. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... al-savior/

Valadius Nov 06 2017 10:00 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

This is actually a fun team to watch now. Also, Kanter has been sensational as Porzingis' partner in the frontcourt. The Anthony trade looks better by the day.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2017 06:01 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm getting tempted to start watching the Knicks again. Who is this Porzingis I'm hearing so much about? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Blocks, silky jumpers, drives... And my favorite part of the whole damn Pacers comeback may have been Porzingis stepping in to take a charge. I mean... he's Bernie King in Nowitzki's body doing young Ewing and Mase things. Criminy, this kid. Also, he's 7'3". You absolutely are doing yourself a disservice if you're not watching the kid come into his own.

d'Kong76 Nov 07 2017 04:24 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2017 03:35 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Sweet end to a nice home stand. Bro-crush on Kristaps growing stonger every day...

Vic Sage Nov 08 2017 08:15 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

i want to have his baby!

d'Kong76 Nov 08 2017 08:52 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Get in line, and no cut-seez!

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2017 01:28 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Just tuning in, why no KP?

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2017 01:34 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Ankle needs a rest.

Vic Sage Nov 09 2017 09:44 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

i heard it was also a chronic elbow issue.

Nymr83 Nov 09 2017 09:51 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic Sage wrote: i heard it was also a chronic elbow issue. He is not a Mets pitcher...

Frayed Knot Nov 09 2017 10:25 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

So, Carmelo's old team gets better upon his departure while his new team turns worse upon his arrival* ... Coincidence? * yeah, I know, small sample size, etc. - but I had to ask

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2017 10:33 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic Sage wrote: i heard it was also a chronic elbow issue. We can't have anything nice.

Nymr83 Nov 16 2017 03:34 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks got back on the right side of the ledger tonight. I didn't get a a chance to watch so i'll do some quick box score scouting here - the Knicks are doing a great job allocating Noah's minutes with his suspension over. ZERO again tonight.

d'Kong76 Nov 16 2017 01:05 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Trouthead put it best to lead off the post-game, "for the first three quarters the Knicks were playing in the mud, but they found a way to rinse it off and head to the homestretch..." KP, H Jr -- no worries. Sucks they blew that Cavs game or I'd be walking on sunshine, but Ill take intermittent sun and clouds in November and 8-6.

Vic Sage Nov 16 2017 03:22 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

they're actually fun to watch. They're moving the ball, getting out on the break, playing late game defense. Is LeBron right? Will Dennis Smith be better than Ntilikina? I don't know, but i like what i see from our flyin' Frenchman. He's got a lot of Jason Kidd in his game.

d'Kong76 Nov 18 2017 02:35 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks will be getting to Canada in about fifteen minutes.

Nymr83 Nov 23 2017 02:20 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks went into the half down 11 but are outscoring the Raptors 32-3 in the 3rd quarter right now. That's not a typo. 32-3!!

Vic Sage Nov 23 2017 05:18 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

41-10 3rd Q is a Knicks record. Raptors came back in the 4th, but this time, Knicks held them off. Great game.

Nymr83 Nov 30 2017 01:58 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Porzingis was carried off the court with what looked like an ankle injury. why can't we have nice things??

d'Kong76 Nov 30 2017 02:05 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

He's ok, and will likely return to the bench for the fourth quarter. Knicks off 'til Sunday so he can rest the ankle.

Nymr83 Dec 06 2017 09:25 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

James Dolan named as a defendant in a civil suit against Harvey Weinstein - because why shouldnt bad things happen when the Knicks are involved?

MFS62 Dec 07 2017 12:39 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 wrote: James Dolan named as a defendant in a civil suit against Harvey Weinstein - because why shouldnt bad things happen when the Knicks are involved? Here's a link: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-owners-jam ... 59331.html Later

Vic Sage Dec 07 2017 05:46 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nice win over Memphis last night. KP contributes, even when he's having a bad shooting night. And Lee & Jack had good all-around games.

Nymr83 Dec 13 2017 02:37 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Overtime win over the Lakers - Porzingis was otherworldly and Ntikilina came on a played D late - he shut down the overrated Ball with his obnoxious father on the sideline. Meanwhile, LaVar ball should be investigated by California's equivalent of Child Services - after one son decided to commit a felony in China (life tip: dont commit felonies when visiting communist countries) LaVar pylls him out of college AND pulls his teenage brother out of high school and signs them up to play for some bush league minor European team from a small town that doesnt speak englishvand likely has no NBA scouts viaiting.

Nymr83 Dec 17 2017 04:02 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks beat Carmelo's team by 15 without Porzingis and Hardaway. I hope Melo is enjoying playing in the middle of nowhere for a losing team!

Nymr83 Dec 19 2017 06:00 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

blown out of the gym by the Hornets tonight to fall to 16-14, but lets remember this team is still 15-9 when Porzingis plays!

d'Kong76 Jan 31 2018 02:51 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 Jan 31 2018 03:06 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

yeah, nice win over a not good team, 20 boards for Kanter! but really, all i want from the Knicks is to not make a "dumb knicks move" prior to the trading deadline. a "dumb knicks move" would be trading young players or picks for mediocre or even above average veterans to try and be the 8 seed this year.

MFS62 Jan 31 2018 01:09 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I was hoping the Nets would finish with a better record than your team. But after last night, I'm not sure it will happen. The Nets can't seem to be able to beat the bad teams. And having two starters out with injury didn't help matters. Later

Nymr83 Jan 31 2018 02:03 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 31 2018 02:05 PM

Nets are in a really brutal spot, they cant even tank because someone else owns their pick The Nets cant bad the beat team because they ARE the bad team. The Knicks arent that bad, more like 'below average'

MFS62 Jan 31 2018 02:04 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 wrote: Nets are in a really brutal spot, they cant even tank because someone else owns their pick They're used to it. :( Later

Vic Sage Feb 01 2018 03:10 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Celts give bockers a stern reality check. We're not close to being a serious team yet. We really must trade all aging assets with any value -- Jack, Lee, OQuinn -- to get picks and/or prospects, along with expiring deals, and push forward on the rebuild. Keep Thomas; he's not going to get us much back and he's a great defender and team leader. A "character" guy. I want him there to set the tone. He's a little overpriced, but worth it in my view. Noah? Nothing to be done there. you make him inactive/reserve for the rest of the season, and then stretch his deal afterwards. I think its better to have some lesser impact on the cap over a few seasons then to let his deal be an anchor next season that prevents us from doing anything. Or they can just cut him, eat the cap hit for next year, and push in their chips the year after his deal expires. Anyway, after Feb 8 (trading deadline), i want to see these lines on a nightly basis: *Ntilikina / Hardaway / McDermott / KP / Kanter *Burke / Dotson / Thomas / Beasley / Hernangomez bench: Hicks / Kornet / ____ reserve: Baker (dl) / Noah Bring up Hicks, Kornet and one other guy from the G-League (Nathan-Mayes?), to take a look at them, too (or whatever guys we get back in the trades). Otherwise, what the hell are we doing? Pushing for an 8th seed so we can get wiped out in 4 by any other playoff team? or fall short of the playoffs and end up with a mid-round pick? No, evaluate the young talent, form a nucleus, draft well next year, and then sign a FA or 2 to fill the holes.

Nymr83 Feb 01 2018 05:23 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I'm not sure i'd want to spread Noah and take the cap hit over 4-5 years. if you think the Kicks arent going to be "ready" next year either, cut him and take the cap pain now. Right now they could waive him without stretching and take cap hits of 18.5/19.3 the next two years. if they stretch, its 7.5 over 5 years or, they could take the 18.5 hit next year (when they still arent expected to contend) and then stretch him to take 3 years of 6.5 hits instead of 5 years of 7.5 - this last option might be the best one if Knicks are already over (or near) cap this summer (as they likely will be if Kanter takes his player option and they don't unload Lee)

Vic Sage Feb 01 2018 07:43 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

they could take the 18.5 hit next year (when they still arent expected to contend) and then stretch him to take 3 years of 6.5 yes, this was what i meant to suggest.

Mets Willets Point Feb 01 2018 07:59 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I personally am pleased that I saw the Knicks suck last night.

Vic Sage Feb 01 2018 08:18 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Mets Willets Point wrote: I personally am pleased that I saw the Knicks suck last night. \llll

Mets Willets Point Feb 01 2018 10:04 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic Sage wrote: Mets Willets Point wrote: I personally am pleased that I saw the Knicks suck last night. \llll I hope that's you flipping me the bird. I probably deserve that.

Vic Sage Feb 01 2018 11:12 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

yes, that's a bird being flipped. oh, and just as i feared, the Knicks are rejecting my strategy: http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knick ... e-deadline so they're going to keep Lee, OQuinn, Thomas and Jack, just so we can get closer to .500, miss the playoffs, and end up with a mid-round pick. Now THAT'S how you build a winner, boys and girls!

Nymr83 Feb 02 2018 01:49 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I saw that article and was just thoroughly disgusted.

d'Kong76 Feb 04 2018 07:34 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Good lord, I don't know where to start.

Nymr83 Feb 07 2018 03:28 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Porzingis hurt tonight. maybe the timing here helps the Knicks see the light just before the deadline and make some helpful trades for the rebuild.

dgwphotography Feb 07 2018 07:09 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Torn ACL. Sucks. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2235 ... -porzingis

d'Kong76 Feb 07 2018 11:45 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Depressing as all hell.

Nymr83 Feb 07 2018 12:36 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Well, that Fucking Blows.

dgwphotography Feb 07 2018 02:05 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Lottery pick, here we come!

HahnSolo Feb 07 2018 02:33 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Parker and LaVine had similar injuries and sat out 10-11 months, so if we're lucky we'll be ringing in 2019 with a Porzingis return right around the corner. This is a killer for the franchise. He wasn't a Lebron-level superstar but he was a star and was a reason to watch...little Solo and I have watched more Knicks games this year than the last four combined I'd guess. As mentioned above, perhaps this will push the Knicks to make some moves at the deadline and pick up some assets. (It's not you Courtney Lee, it's me. See ya)

HahnSolo Feb 07 2018 05:03 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

And just like that Hernangomez gets shipped to the Hornets for Johnny O'Bryant and two second rounders.

Nymr83 Feb 07 2018 07:26 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

what the fuck!

HahnSolo Feb 07 2018 07:38 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Well Hernangomez has been anchored to the bench, which means a) he's not as good as we thought he was last year, or b) Hornacek is clueless. Those could both be true I guess. But if the front office believes that his value will actually go down by giving him more PT and exposing him, then I am OK with trading him now. Get as many assets as you can, you never know when they could be used to sweeten a trade pot or find a diamond in the rough.

Vic Sage Feb 07 2018 09:42 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I would've thought the KP injury would've finally pushed these morons toward trading off the vets, but no... we trade away the youngster with talent and upside and hold onto the vets. ok, lets go a little further down this stupid hole and see how these dominoes fall. Hernangomez was an impact player in Europe and was recognized as a first-team "all-rookie" selection last year. He's also a friend of KP, who I assume we may want to extend at some point. So we give him away for a backup power forward WHO WE'VE JUST RELEASED, and 2 2nd-rounders a few years from now (in 2020 and 2021!). This move, together with KP's injury and Noah's non grata status, means we now have no one to back up Kanter (who has a bad back), so they can't trade O'Quinn, who was asset other teams wanted and for whom we likely could've got more than 2 2nd-rounders. And we haven't made KP very happy either. And we now get to see Billy shove it up our ass with the Hornets. The mishandling of Hernangomez's playing time should cost Hornacek his job (and for many other reasons too), and the mishandling of this trade doesn't fill me with hope over our new GM's talents either.

MFS62 Feb 07 2018 10:14 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Just saw this news. Y'mean that someone got seriously hurt under the basket at MSG and John Starks didn't do it? (SM=91) Later

Nymr83 Feb 08 2018 01:02 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

they waived the guy?? so Hernangomez for 2 2nd rounders??? FUCK THIS STUPID TEAM

d'Kong76 Feb 08 2018 03:17 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Hernangomez demanded a trade lol... took like 48 hrs for him to get it. According to several things I read, the waiver thing was no big shock... Let's see what the draft picks pan out to be and if Willy finds himself on a new team. A team where he's pretty much in the same buried boat as he was with the Knicks bench-depth wise. But yeah, fuck the Knicks until next season (again). *yawn*

Nymr83 Feb 08 2018 03:36 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

WHO CARES if he demanded a trade? he was signed to a team friendly deal for another 2 years after this one, not a pending free agent they'd lose for nothing

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2018 03:39 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Poor-zingis; suxx to blow such a big hole into such a good start to a career. On the Knicks in general: as I've said before here, I've never been much of a hoops fan and find the whole employment structure of the NBA to be quite odd at times (maybe because the Knicks & Nets are the two closest franchises o I don't know how a good one operates). But when I decided to dig a bit into the Joakim Noah history recently, even I was stunned to see how fucked up in was. - first the Bulls draft Noah with the 9th pick overall (2007) via a pick which belonged to the Knicks except they traded it a year and a half earlier along with three other players, PLUS another 1st round pick, PLUS TWO 2nd round picks in exchange for the immortal Eddie Curry (who either couldn't play or seemed like he didn't want to - possibly both) along with one player plus a 1st round pick going back to slightly offset the three bodies/four picks going the other way. - Noah goes on to have a nice first seven seasons with Chicago, starting most of the time, averaging 30+ min/game, around 11-12 points/per, and ~10 rebounds/per, etc., making around $2 mil/year to start escalating to around $11 mil - then he starts to fade from 2014-2016 as his starts and minutes played decrease (injuries at least a part of that) and his points/game drop to the 4-7 range - so THAT is when the Knicks decide they need to get him back?!?!?! And do they get him at minimum salary? NOOOOO, they decide that a three-year deal totaling $56 million is the way to go and for that they've so far received 53 games/46 starts across a season and a half at around 4 pts/game - Now, going forward, it looks like he either can't play anymore or doesn't want to (maybe both). GOOD LORD that's a fucked up history!! Not just that it makes the Jason Bay contract looks good in comparison but this one also had a bad backstory to go with it. "Let's wait until he's old, is injured, is expensive, and suxx ... and THEN make our move"

d'Kong76 Feb 08 2018 03:42 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Nymr83 wrote: WHO CARES if he demanded a trade? I did say lol, people take me so literally haha...

Nymr83 Feb 08 2018 05:22 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Frayed Knot wrote: GOOD LORD that's a fucked up history!! Not just that it makes the Jason Bay contract looks good in comparison but this one also had a bad backstory to go with it. "Let's wait until he's old, is injured, is expensive, and suxx ... and THEN make our move" Picture the Knicks as if Jeff Wilpon was his own GM and operating not as a large market team on a mid-market budget but as a team capped by rule at a small market budget. that's the Knicks.

Frayed Knot Feb 08 2018 08:02 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Except haven't the Knicks consistently been at or above the league's salary cap figure and yet managed to suck despite overpaying and underperforming? But only for the last two to three decades from what I understand so that's still kind of a small sample size and could turn around at any moment now. Mainly I had just heard about J Noah recently -- not that he was on the team but that he was a FA signing with years yet to go on his deal rather than just a scrapheap pickup -- so I figured I'd investigate a bit more, and every new detail I discovered just made it look more and more idiotic by the moment. None of that was new to you folks I'm sure, but I figured I'd share anyway. Now back to our regularly scheduled bitching, already in progress.

Nymr83 Feb 09 2018 01:13 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks traded McDermott to Dallas and got back Mudiay from Denver. Knicks also gained and lost second round picks in the deal. I like it. Mudiay is 5 years younger and has more upset even if he has sucked balls in the NBA so far - he is just 21 years old and was highly regarded in the draft 3 years ago. I'd like it better if we still had Hernangomez. Ntilikina, team player. Knicks PG Frank Ntilikina called the club's trade for point guard Emmanuel Mudiay "good for our future." He thinks he and Mudiay can complement one another as they can both play on and off the ball. Ntilikina, 19, said that he's not worried about his standing in the organization in the wake of the trade. "I feel like I'm good here and people want me here so I'm happy about the situation." Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer

Vic Sage Feb 09 2018 03:30 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

it was a value pickup, in that McDermott wasn't in their long-term plans and was going to be a FA. So getting Mudiay for a rental is good value. But his game is too similar to Ntilikina's -- big PGs, good defense, no jump shot-- so he doesn't really add anything. And now Hardaway is stuck at SF, where he is undersized. Meanwhile, the trade deadline goes by with assets OQuinn, Jack and Lee still on the roster, having turned them into nothing. And get this -- Jack, Beasley, Lee and OQuinn are all still getting starter's minutes! Why? To make a playoff run? Or is Hornacek just a complete ass? 1st: Burke / Ntilikina / Hardaway / Kornet / Kanter 2nd: Mudiay / Dotson / Lee / Beasley / OQuinn Bench: Jack / Thomas / Noah DL: Baker, KP G-League: Hicks

seawolf17 Mar 07 2018 10:15 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Stony Brook's first NBA player finally gets the call -- and plays at MSG on Tuesday and in Brooklyn on the 17th: [tweet:1q9k0m22]https://twitter.com/stonybrooku/status/971499060816379904[/tweet:1q9k0m22]

Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 02:54 AM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Knicks destroy the Bulls tonight, they really dont get this tanking thing. Almost assuredly cost themselves the chance to move ahead of the Bulls in the tanking lottery. Knicks really need to hope that the commish is tired of all the losing in New York and ready to make the fixed lottery go their way again.

Vic Sage Mar 20 2018 02:07 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

are you one of those "frozen envelope" tinfoil hat types? yes, the Knicks suck at sucking... just like they suck at everything else. And that's what continues to doom them.

MFS62 Mar 20 2018 03:05 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

Vic Sage wrote: are you one of those "frozen envelope" tinfoil hat types? The only thing more fixed than that was the recent Russian election. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 03:31 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

I thought it was the 'one of the corners of Knicks' envelope was slightly bent' conspiracy! I just looked to see who was #2, Wayman Tisdale, and at #3 Benoit Benjamin. Hard to fathom that was 35 years ago already.

Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 04:17 PM Re: Knicks suck 2017-2018

There are several conspiracies, such as Ewing to the Knicks, the back to back #1 overall picks to the Magic, Cleveland getting hometown hero LeBron.