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IGT - 09/18 - Mets at Fish - Golly Gee, Going for Three

Admin
Sep 18 2017 02:35 PM

Mets RH Matt Harvey (5-5, 6.14 ERA)
Marlins RH Dan Straily (9-9, 4.24)

Ashie62
Sep 18 2017 04:02 PM
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Watch the Admin get the longest IGT win streak of the season.

LGM!

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2017 04:15 PM
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That wouldn't take much.

One good thing is that the Mets almost certainly beat Miami to Miami last night as the Marlins got a later start and had a longer flight in returning home from their home series in Milwaukee.

d'Kong76
Sep 18 2017 07:56 PM
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[tweet:3j2jgl9f]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/909864369147846658[/tweet:3j2jgl9f]
[tweet:3j2jgl9f]https://twitter.com/Marlins/status/909864198062116864[/tweet:3j2jgl9f]

d'Kong76
Sep 18 2017 08:49 PM
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Rosario scratched with stomach ailment...
[tweet:11e1nlis]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/909880273541718016[/tweet:11e1nlis]

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2017 08:56 PM
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Did Gavin Cecchini serve Rosario his lunch today?

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2017 09:27 PM
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I heard that Rosario ate a bad meal late last night at the Spanish food joint that Duaner Sanchez never reached due to his cab wreck -- so at least it's just a bad stomach and not a busted up shoulder.

Edgy MD
Sep 18 2017 11:30 PM
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Nimmo must bat first. Any other thought is unbearable.

Edgy MD
Sep 18 2017 11:34 PM
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Gosh did Reyes show his age on that infield hit by Ozuna.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 12:38 AM
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Add Harvey to the list of Mets disinterested in holding runners on.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 12:43 AM
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Harvey's sliders aren't moving. Stanton's hits are.

d'Kong76
Sep 19 2017 12:46 AM
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He slammed the snot out of that pitch.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 01:09 AM
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Oh, Gordon, go for the plate for goodness' sake.

DocTee
Sep 19 2017 01:15 AM
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I recall not that many years ago a WATP thread where most(?) of us balked at a Harvey for Stanton swap

Shows what we know

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 01:16 AM
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Bringing in Robles with runners on base is cruel at this point.

Frayed Knot
Sep 19 2017 01:26 AM
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The Marlins BABiP tonight is just shy of .600 (16 for 27)
I mean they're smacking the shit out of the ball now, but these "real" hits are just on top of all the bleeders and seeing eye hits that they were piling up earlier.

41Forever
Sep 19 2017 01:29 AM
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Robles has absolutely lost it.

MFS62
Sep 19 2017 01:35 AM
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Fuck Ichiro.
Later

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 01:55 AM
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Ugly Mets.

Ugly stadium.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 19 2017 02:04 AM
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We'd do better with Adam Wilk out there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 19 2017 02:05 AM
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DocTee wrote:
I recall not that many years ago a WATP thread where most(?) of us balked at a Harvey for Stanton swap

Shows what we know

They didn;t ask my opinion!

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 02:33 AM
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Yeah, show me the thread as we work on this all-swinging-bunt 11-run rally.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2017 02:34 AM
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Or a game-ending double-play, giving Vance Worley the save in a 12-run game.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 19 2017 12:28 PM
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Seems these days the Mets play two kinds of games:

1) They score a couple of runs early, there's a decent enough starting performance and the bullpen either makes it close late or blows it.

2) They don't score early and they gradually fall further and further behind as the game progresses.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2017 01:24 PM
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Cast your vote!

Ashie62
Sep 19 2017 05:36 PM
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Do the Mets offer Harvey arbitration?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2017 05:47 PM
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I was thinking I'd non-tender him, but John Harper pointed out the other day that the Mets can give Harvey a contract (through arbitration or otherwise) and then get out of it (mostly) by releasing him, if necessary, at the end of spring training.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2017 05:56 PM
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I remember we once had a discussion here, probably in 2015 -- because it was after Harvey came back from TJ surgery, he was pitching well, and it was before his second serious (thoracic) setback. We were discussing whether Harvey should sign a long term contract or wait for his inevitable big free agent payday. I suggested that given Harvey's medical history, it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to sign a contract in 2015. That contract wouldn't have been as lucrative as his FA contract, had he continued to enjoy relatively good health going forward, but it would have eliminated a lot of health risk going forward, especially given Harvey's TJ history.

G-Fafif
Sep 19 2017 06:06 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
I remember we once had a discussion here, probably in 2015 -- because it was after Harvey came back from TJ surgery, he was pitching well, and it was before his second serious (thoracic) setback. We were discussing whether Harvey should sign a long term contract or wait for his inevitable big free agent payday. I suggested that given Harvey's medical history, it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to sign a contract in 2015. That contract wouldn't have been as lucrative as his FA contract, had he continued to enjoy relatively good health going forward, but it would have eliminated a lot of health risk going forward, especially given Harvey's TJ history.

The Mets locked up Lagares, and Lagares has been a disappointment (and injured often). The Mets locked up Wright, and Wright hasn't been able to perform. The Mets reportedly talked to Duda about a long-term deal after he came off his best year and Duda apparently demurred.

It doesn't seem these things ever quite work out for team and player simultaneously. That's not necessarily a trend or pattern, just makes one realize how iffy picking what's behind the curtain as opposed to what's inside the box can be.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2017 06:11 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
I remember we once had a discussion here, probably in 2015 -- because it was after Harvey came back from TJ surgery, he was pitching well, and it was before his second serious (thoracic) setback. We were discussing whether Harvey should sign a long term contract or wait for his inevitable big free agent payday. I suggested that given Harvey's medical history, it wouldn't be a bad idea for him to sign a contract in 2015. That contract wouldn't have been as lucrative as his FA contract, had he continued to enjoy relatively good health going forward, but it would have eliminated a lot of health risk going forward, especially given Harvey's TJ history.

The Mets locked up Lagares, and Lagares has been a disappointment (and injured often). The Mets locked up Wright, and Wright hasn't been able to perform. The Mets reportedly talked to Duda about a long-term deal after he came off his best year and Duda apparently demurred.

It doesn't seem these things ever quite work out for team and player simultaneously. That's not necessarily a trend or pattern, just makes one realize how iffy picking what's behind the curtain as opposed to what's inside the box can be.

True. Of course, for Harvey to have signed a contract in 2015, the Mets would have had to offer one. The Mets didn't. Was that because the Mets had no interest in locking up Harvey then, or because Team Harvey sent out unambiguous signals that Harvey had no interest in committing?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2017 07:10 PM
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Well, Steve Boros almost never lets his clients agree to a contract that will delay free agency. The Mets may have tried to get him to give on that, or they may have figured it was hopeless and not bothered to try.

My feeling is that the plan would have been to trade him after the 2017 season if things hadn't played out so poorly, both for Harvey himself and the pitchers who might have replaced him in the rotation.

G-Fafif
Sep 19 2017 07:34 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Well, Steve Boros almost never lets his clients agree to a contract that will delay free agency.

Ex-A's manager Steve Boros? Talk about your Alderson puppets!

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2017 07:37 PM
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I got his name wrong, didn't I? I'm turning into Ralph Kiner!

It's Scott Boras, right?

G-Fafif
Sep 19 2017 07:41 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
course, for Harvey to have signed a contract in 2015, the Mets would have had to offer one. The Mets didn't. Was that because the Mets had no interest in locking up Harvey then, or because Team Harvey sent out unambiguous signals that Harvey had no interest in committing?

The Mets had less to lose and the Harveys more to gain, conceivably, by waiting. I don't know if anybody talked to anybody, but I can't imagine it got too far. I do wonder, for the hell of it, had TJS never occurred and Harvey continued along his 2013 trajectory in 2014 if the lock-him-up instinct would have overtaken ownership. If we are to assume, as a hypothetical, that a Cy-caliber Harvey pitches that season, then we can figure the Mets would have made a little extra progress beyond the strides they took (though they probably wouldn't have had Colon, who was quite helpful, so maybe the overall picture wouldn't have developed that much brighter). With Cinnamon Boy retiring in the Bronx, I can picture Jeff deciding, "This is our chance to take back the town, we can't lose Harvey to the MFYs," though I can't picture Jeff calling them the MFYs.

All conjecture, the kind of stuff I wouldn't subscribe to a streaming service to watch, but we're a hundred games out with a dozen left to play.

G-Fafif
Sep 19 2017 07:43 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I got his name wrong, didn't I? I'm turning into Ralph Kiner!

It's Scott Boras, right?

Correctamundo.

Just means that, like Ralph, you've seen a lot of baseball. I'm pretty sure I spent half a year thinking the Mets signed Joey Cora.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2017 07:52 PM
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Oh. I thought it meant I could start dating beautiful Hollywood actresses and driving a Cadillac.

I don't think Ava Gardner would like it if I came by to pick her up in my Honda Accord.

G-Fafif
Sep 19 2017 07:57 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Oh. I thought it meant I could start dating beautiful Hollywood actresses and driving a Cadillac.

I don't think Ava Gardner would like it if I came by to pick her up in my Honda Accord.

I hear Ava is a sucker for things from the future.

d'Kong76
Sep 20 2017 03:48 PM
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Ben, can you please fix my vote for this game. I had a brain fart and put
Aoki's beer in the 'Name' field.

d'Kong76
Sep 20 2017 04:22 PM
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Gracias

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 13 2017 11:01 AM
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