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IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Ashie62 Sep 23 2017 07:03 PM

Splitting Noah and Matt is bizarre, even by Met standards.

Edgy MD Sep 23 2017 07:08 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

I realize the Mets are playing terribly, and they're to be mocked in everything they do, but I'm not sure what the complaint is here. It seems like a pretty obvious choice.

Ashie62 Sep 23 2017 07:16 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

What is an obvious choice? I am not connecting

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 07:26 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

I don't get the Pete thing?

Edgy MD Sep 23 2017 07:27 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Ashie62 wrote: What is an obvious choice? That which you are criticizing as bizarre.

Lefty Specialist Sep 23 2017 07:30 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Might go better if they let Harvey pitch one inning and let Syndergaard finish.

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 07:32 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Early lineup today! [tweet:15fuq3fp]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/911669297415704577[/tweet:15fuq3fp]

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 07:43 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

[tweet:2tkacj6g]https://twitter.com/Nationals/status/911676889986686976[/tweet:2tkacj6g]

Frayed Knot Sep 23 2017 08:46 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Giving Noah just a single inning is sensible on account of the long layoff. Starting him then coming in with a replacement rather than the other way around makes sense too since it assures him the optimal warmup time. I don't see the harm and certainly not the 'bizarre-ness' - particularly not in the final week of a lost season.

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 09:09 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Who or what is Pete?

G-Fafif Sep 23 2017 10:35 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Dwight Gooden came back from a shoulder injury in September 1989 and threw two long relief outings, 7 IP in all. Bobby Ojeda returned in September 1987 with three long relief outings totaling nine innings before getting the last home start of the year (which he won, with the Mets hanging on in their quest to repeat). I figured they'd ease Noah back in with something similar. Maybe they have new ideas since then.

Edgy MD Sep 23 2017 11:13 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Pete hitting 98 in the first and gets the job done on five pitches. Wonder if they'll give him another batter or two.

Frayed Knot Sep 23 2017 11:15 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Edgy MD wrote: Pete hitting 98 in the first and gets the job done on five pitches. Wonder if they'll give him another batter or two. Gary says 'No' on that second inning question. Only five pitches although three hard-hit balls: Line-out, Single, GiDP

cooby Sep 23 2017 11:37 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

I don't think Pete is going to be explained

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2017 11:44 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Glad to hear Pete's one inning went well.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 12:01 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Well, he is from Texas [fimg=150:2e43kut8]https://www.texaspete.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/buffalo.png[/fimg:2e43kut8]

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 12:08 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Har-Vees Bet-Ter Har-Vees Bet-Ter Best to not push that one too far, even if it's good to dust off temporarily

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 24 2017 12:37 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

What do you know? Harv gives back a 3-run lead

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 12:44 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Does Harvey get a blown save?

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 12:57 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Edgy MD wrote: Does Harvey get a blown save? Yes

MFS62 Sep 24 2017 12:57 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

d'Kong76 wrote: Who or what is Pete? Its Ashie's thread title. Looks like he's the only one who can answer that, because nobody else seems to know. Mr. Ashie , please pick up the courtesy phone in the lobby. Later

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 01:01 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Put Pete back in!

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 01:05 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

I believe 'Pete' is just serving as a generic name for purposes of the subject title. 'One Inning Noah' just doesn't have the same ring.

cooby Sep 24 2017 01:15 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Does Harvey get a blown save? Yes Ug. He can add that to his misery.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 01:21 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Except that nobody cares about blown saves except for closers in the 9th inning.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 01:30 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Do folks still care about hitting popups?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 01:38 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Does Harvey get a blown save? Yes How does that work? Syndergaard can't get the Win because he started but pitched less than five innings. If Syndergaard isn't eligible for the win, Harvey, who immediately followed Syndergaard, isn't eligible for the Save. And if Harvey isn't eligible for the Save, he couldn't have blown the Save. I don't know if I'm right but I find my logic to be flawless.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 01:41 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

By the crude instrument which is the Blown Save, Harvey came in with a lead and didn't protect it, ergo 'BS'

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 24 2017 01:44 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Rosar-E-o

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 01:45 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2017 01:48 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: By the crude instrument which is the Blown Save, Harvey came in with a lead and didn't protect it, ergo 'BS' So if the visiting team scores a run in the first, and the visiting pitcher then gives up three runs in the bottom of the first, does the starting visiting pitcher get credited with a blown save? OE -- Better yet, I thought a pitcher had to be pitching in a save or potential save situation to qualify for a blown save.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 01:47 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Good whiff of Taylor, Callahandy, now get out of this.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 01:49 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

It's easier to just look this stuff up. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/blown-save Blown Save (BS) Definition A blown save occurs when a relief pitcher enters a game in a save situation, but allows the tying run to score. The run does not have to be charged to that pitcher. If a reliever enters with a man already on third base, and he allows that runner to score the tying run, he is charged with a blown save. Although many blown saves occur in the ninth inning or later, they aren't limited to the ninth inning. If a pitcher enters in the eighth inning and surrenders the tying run in a save situation, he is given a blown save -- regardless of whether he pitches the ninth. A pitcher can still receive either a win or a loss (or a no-decision) after recording a blown save, depending on the ensuing results. Blown saves are used as a tool to evaluate the effectiveness of a closer. After all, it is a closer's job not to let the tying run score. Therefore, closers who have a high rate of blown saves per save attempt typically aren't doing their jobs very well. However, not all blown saves are created equal -- after all, entering with a three-run lead in the ninth and entering with a one-run lead and a man on third in the eighth are both considered save situations. It's important to remember this when assessing closers based on their blown saves. Origin Blown saves were introduced as a statistic in 1988 as a counterbalance for the statistic "saves."

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 01:50 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

BOOM! Let's get Jamie a win!

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 01:51 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: By the crude instrument which is the Blown Save, Harvey came in with a lead and didn't protect it, ergo 'BS' So if the visiting team scores a run in the first, and the visiting pitcher then gives up three runs in the bottom of the first, does the starting visiting pitcher get credited with a blown save? OE -- Better yet, I thought a pitcher had to be pitching in a save or potential save situation to qualify for a blown save. Y'know, I rescind what I said earlier (both the Edgy and to you). I was thinking of a situation where Harvey had inherited a lead which he of course did not, so no BS in this case. I have however seen BS assigned to relievers who worked lost leads as early as the 4th inning. I've never see a 2nd inning BS because a reliever that soon is so rare and even more so when your team is ahead, but the principle still stands.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 01:57 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Frayed Knot wrote: I have however seen BS assigned to relievers who worked lost leads as early as the 4th inning. If this is true, it's inconsistent and irreconcilable with MLB's definition of its own rule. Unless the rule has since changed. Was there ever a time during the Save era when a starter pitching just three innings could be credited with a Win?

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 02:03 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Not that I know of, but relievers in the 8th & 9th innings can get credited with both a blown save (for losing a lead) and then a Win (for still being the pitcher of record when they go back ahead) so why should that not apply to a reliever in the 3rd or 4th. I mean the whole concept of the 'Blown Save' is flawed anyway - so who really cares? It matter only to "closers" as we roughly define that job but the BS gets hung on middle relievers all the time, guys who can only blow the save of get 'credit' for the even less meaningful 'Hold'. The set-up types get hung with BS all the time but rarely stick around long enough to get a Save itself to balance those out.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:04 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Familia vs. De Aza. Got to be some old bad blood there.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 02:04 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Edgy MD wrote: Familia vs. De Aza. Got to be some old bad blood there. Why?

41Forever Sep 24 2017 02:08 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Nice! Good inning for Familia.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 02:12 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Frayed Knot wrote: I mean the whole concept of the 'Blown Save' is flawed anyway - so who really cares? It matter only to "closers" as we roughly define that job but the BS gets hung on middle relievers all the time, guys who can only blow the save of get 'credit' for the even less meaningful 'Hold'. The set-up types get hung with BS all the time but rarely stick around long enough to get a Save itself to balance those out. They may not stick around long enough for the Save, but they'd qualify for the Save if left to pitch to game's end. And it's the qualifying for the Save that is required for BS eligiblity. You can't assume that they're in only for a Hold even if true.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:15 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Familia vs. De Aza. Got to be some old bad blood there. Why? Just imagining fake drama.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:17 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

The old one-hit-since-the-third strategy in full effect tonight.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 02:21 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

But you can get a save for pitching the final 6 or 7 innings of a game too, not just the final 2 or 3. Now you can't get a Win [u:355ig9zh]AND[/u:355ig9zh] a Save so Harvey's theoretical 'W' would take precedence over an 'S' but, had he come in with a lead and then left without it, there's nothing stopping that from being a 'BS'

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:22 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Well, we just got Murphed.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 02:32 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2017 02:36 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: But you can get a save for pitching the final 6 or 7 innings of a game too, not just the final 2 or 3. Now you can't get a Win AND a Save so Harvey's theoretical 'W' would take precedence over an 'S' but, had he come in with a lead and then left without it, there's nothing stopping that from being a 'BS' 1-- Yes, but wouldn't that have to be an extra inning game? Otherwise, a six or seven inning save means a two or three inning win for the starting pitcher, which isn't allowed. Here's a strange fact pattern. The starter pitches one inning. The next pitcher pitches just the second inning and leaves with a one run lead. The next reliever pitches to game's end. There is no more scoring after the second inning. In that situation, the official scorer can award the second pitcher with the Win and the third pitcher (7 IP's) with the save. Of course, the scorer should award the seven inning pitcher with the Win, but technically, you could have a seven inning save in a nine inning game here. 2 -- But Harvey can't get the Save no matter what because he'd have to pitch to game's end for the Save, and Syndergaard isn't eligible for the Win.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 02:35 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Edgy MD wrote: Well, we just got Murphed. I gotta tell ya, I love the Murph. Still.

Frayed Knot Sep 24 2017 02:36 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

All three outs in that inning were 3-Unassisted

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:46 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Travis Taijeron for Nimmo? I have my doubts.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 02:48 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Fglafddkjp.

41Forever Sep 24 2017 02:49 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Murph is a nice guy. But he sure does kill us.

Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2017 10:58 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Ichiro Murph.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2017 11:23 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

Cast your vote!

Ashie62 Sep 24 2017 02:32 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

d'Kong76 wrote: Who or what is Pete? Pete was a random thought that came through what very little is left of my brain.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 24 2017 04:32 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

41Forever wrote: Murph is a nice guy. But he sure does kill us. No one was better positioned than the Mets to determine whether Murphy's increased production beginning in mid-2015 was a random fluke or permanent and long-lasting based on structural changes to his hitting approach. ____________________ But you can get a save for pitching the final 6 or 7 innings of a game too, not just the final 2 or 3. Now you can't get a Win AND a Save so Harvey's theoretical 'W' would take precedence over an 'S' but, had he come in with a lead and then left without it, there's nothing stopping that from being a 'BS' 1-- Yes, but wouldn't that have to be an extra inning game? Otherwise, a six or seven inning save means a two or three inning win for the starting pitcher, which isn't allowed. Here's a strange fact pattern. The starter pitches one inning. The next pitcher pitches just the second inning and leaves with a one run lead. The next reliever pitches to game's end. There is no more scoring after the second inning. In that situation, the official scorer can award the second pitcher with the Win and the third pitcher (7 IP's) with the save. Of course, the scorer should award the seven inning pitcher with the Win, but technically, you could have a seven inning save in a nine inning game here. 2 -- But Harvey can't get the Save no matter what because he'd have to pitch to game's end for the Save, and Syndergaard isn't eligible for the Win. As expected, Harvey wasn't charged with a Blown Save. A pitcher can't blow a Save unless there's some other pitcher's Win to protect, which Syndergaard didn't qualify for. The best way to summarize our discussion of last night is, I think, as follows: If the starting pitcher isn't eligible for the Win because he pitched less than five innings, then the next pitcher in can never be charged with a Blown Save (or awarded a Save): in that instance, however, the third pitcher in is eligible for a Save/Blown Save. It's theoretically possible for a pitcher entering the first inning to be awarded/charged with a Save/Blown Save. He'd have to be at least the third pitcher appearing for his team in that game, though.

Edgy MD Sep 24 2017 10:06 PM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete

I was really joking when I asked that question. I'm glad it provided some substance to the thread.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 13 2017 11:04 AM Re: IGT 9/23 Strasburg v One inning Pete