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IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

d'Kong76 Sep 26 2017 03:55 PM

Braves RH R.A. Dickey (10-10, 4.32 ERA) Mets RH Rafael Montero (5-11, 5.30)

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2017 04:04 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

cooby Sep 26 2017 06:06 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Maybe Dickey will be more icky than RAD

G-Fafif Sep 26 2017 07:14 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Versatile Brandon in center, as widely requested. Aoki LF Reyes 2B Cabrera 3B Nimmo CF Plawecki C Smith 1B Rosario SS Taijeron RF Montero P

d'Kong76 Sep 26 2017 09:53 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Inciarte CF Albies 2B Freeman 1B Markakis RF Flowers C Camargo 3B Swanson SS Peterson LF Dickey P

Edgy MD Sep 26 2017 11:23 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

There's some nice Nimmo centerfieldin'.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 12:49 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Maybe we didn't win the Dickey trade after all.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 12:53 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

He is dominating, hit and in the field too.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:13 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Okay, that's two.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 01:18 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Rosario turning on the two out jets yikes...

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 01:21 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more... Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 27 2017 01:34 AM

So tonight was R. A.'s 400 ML game and 300th ML start. And it could be his last. If it is, his was one of the more unusual career arcs in recent memory.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:23 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Tying run on third and ... Taijeronie whiffie. But they chased Dickey, in what may be well be his final appearance on the Citi Field mound.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 01:25 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Pleasure to watch, and then get some back to run him.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:38 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Nice to see Aoki work the walk against a tough lefty.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:41 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Trying to figure out of if Aoki could have scored on that play.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 27 2017 01:42 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more... Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 27 2017 01:43 AM

I don't think so. Glad he did on THAT one, though. Inciarte. Ye gods.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:42 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Great catch. Not sure why Reyes didn't tag. If that drops in, he can certainly score.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:44 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Nimmo doing the over-selective thingie.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 01:44 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Edgy MD wrote: Not sure why Reyes didn't tag. If that drops in, he can certainly score. Nah, that's not a tag play from 2nd IMO. If it drops and bounces in a way where you CAN'T get two bases on it you've been handed the lead but gave it back. And if you do tag and are right then you merely go from 2nd base with two outs to 3rd base. The upside isn't nearly as high as the downside is low there.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 01:54 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Cabrera Wrightesque

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:55 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Terrific play by Drubie. I'm suddenly leaning toward him in the Cabby/Reyes showdown.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:59 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Pinch-running for Wecki. Down to our last catcher!

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:02 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Keith: "I'd send him just for giggles." Maybe not such a great managerial candidate.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 02:06 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Bifl

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:07 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

He looked confused up there.

d'Kong76 Sep 27 2017 02:09 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

!!!

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:10 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Wow. That seemed like Peterson quit on that, but good job, TT.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 02:10 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more... Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 27 2017 02:11 AM

Didn't like the bunt there w/Rosario, and hated it after the count got to 2-0 Nice AB by Taijeron to win it though!!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 27 2017 02:11 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Breaks the Tai. Nice ending. Off tomorrow. May stop by for our first home closer in a couple.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:13 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Great answers, Travis. I actually feel like I know less than I did before that interview.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2017 02:23 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Breaks the Tai. Nice ending.... I thought you were rooting for the draft pick? Ten years from now, there won't be more than two posters here who'll be able to tell you with 100% certainty, how many games the Mets won this dreadful season. On the other hand, many experts think that there are four or five amateurs who are superstuds and good enough to be drafted first overall in next year's amateur baseball draft.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 27 2017 05:27 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Oh, I'm not crying over the losses, and I certainly wouldn't rend any giveaway tees over sliding to the fifth overall pick or so (we're currently hovering at six). But sometimes it's viscerally nice to get a moment of respite from them, especially one with a little joie de boule on it, and flecked with moments of promise/gumption from the kinder.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2017 01:26 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Cast your vote!

Centerfield Sep 27 2017 01:27 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Frayed Knot wrote: Didn't like the bunt there w/Rosario, and hated it after the count got to 2-0 Nice AB by Taijeron to win it though!! I hated it too. In fact, the only good that may have come from that is we learned that Amed Rosario is really not good at bunting.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:34 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

It didn't seem to be something he wasn't good at, so much as something that was completely alien to him. Like the Mets had asked him to try and punt one inside the 20, or slap on some fencing gear and execute a passata sotto. Systemic neglect of fundies is a concern. The Mets should run an all-bunting mini-camp.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 01:39 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Edgy MD wrote: It didn't seem to be something he wasn't good at, so much as something that was completely alien to him. Like the Mets had asked him to try and punt one inside the 20, or slap on some fencing gear and execute a passata sotto. Systemic neglect of fundies is a concern. The Mets should run an all-bunting mini-camp. as in one where they say "never do this" and teach them about run expectancies?

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 01:48 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

No.

Centerfield Sep 27 2017 01:52 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Edgy MD wrote: It didn't seem to be something he wasn't good at, so much as something that was completely alien to him. Like the Mets had asked him to try and punt one inside the 20, or slap on some fencing gear and execute a passata sotto. Systemic neglect of fundies is a concern. The Mets should run an all-bunting mini-camp. I can totally get behind this. Especially since they play back every time he's up. A player with his footspeed (and unfortunately, his low OBP) needs to have the bunt hit in his bag of tricks. I'm shocked, with the shifts and all, that every hitter, power hitter or not, isn't learning how to lay one down when it's given to you and walk to first.

Centerfield Sep 27 2017 01:54 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: It didn't seem to be something he wasn't good at, so much as something that was completely alien to him. Like the Mets had asked him to try and punt one inside the 20, or slap on some fencing gear and execute a passata sotto. Systemic neglect of fundies is a concern. The Mets should run an all-bunting mini-camp. as in one where they say "never do this" and teach them about run expectancies? Bunting doesn't have to be a sacrifice. The bunt hit is a great weapon. And there are situations where the sacrifice bunt is appropriate. First and second, no one out, one run game, is one of those situations. Either way, there is no detriment to having good fundamentals.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 01:57 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

good way to pull a hamstring. It's 2017+ and home runs are leaving the yard at record paces. I hope Washington fills it's lineup with guys that can drop down bunt hits.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 02:13 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Run expectancies is an overall average which suggests that, like playing roulette, you'll come out on the short end the more you play. But that's not to say that you should never play and deciding to never bunt is almost as idiotic as was the knee-jerk reaction that you were always supposed to bunt every time the leadoff runner got on regardless of the inning/out/score/lineup situation was at the time. And last night's game had nothing to do with run expectancies as all you were playing for there was one. I just didn't like it because he didn't look like Rosario was any good at it, didn't like keeping it on with a favorable count, and didn't like the odds of Taijeron cashing in on it even if it was successful. Happily things worked out. And if you're going to eschew certain strategies because you're afraid of running an pulling hamstrings then it's time to get out of the game and take up chess.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 02:22 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

There are so few situations where bunting is clear and away the best strategy that I'd much rather players focus on other more useful skills. Like pitchers actually working on hitting. I'd rather Rosario take whatever time he'd spend bunting focused on pitch recognition and being more selective.

Frayed Knot Sep 27 2017 02:28 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Like it's an either/or decision.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 02:36 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Frayed Knot wrote: Like it's an either/or decision. There are only so many hours in the day, so many things you can work on. Adding "bunting clinic" to the list is like..40th and I think there might be more value in having all the players an hour more rested than having spending an hour working on bunting.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:37 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Ceetar wrote: It's 2017+ and home runs are leaving the yard at record paces. Yes, I know what year it is. The Mets have hit more homers than at any time in their history, and yet are 20th in scoring. They need baserunners. Ceetar wrote: I hope Washington fills it's lineup with guys that can drop down bunt hits. It's not an either/or choice. It never has been.

Centerfield Sep 27 2017 02:39 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's 2017+ and home runs are leaving the yard at record paces. Yes, I know what year it is. The Mets have hit more homers than at any time in their history, and yet are 20th in scoring. They need baserunners. This.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 02:41 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

John Dewan, writing in 2011, wrote: When a sacrifice situation was in effect last year (a bunt with men on base and less than two outs) there were 2,285 bunts put into play. 232 resulted in a hit for a .102 "batting average." On the other hand, there were 850 bunts put into play in a non-sacrifice situation last year, with 372 going for hits, making for a .438 batting average. And that was before the proliferation of shifts. I hope the Mets fill their lineup with guys who hit .438.

Ceetar Sep 27 2017 02:55 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Centerfield wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's 2017+ and home runs are leaving the yard at record paces. Yes, I know what year it is. The Mets have hit more homers than at any time in their history, and yet are 20th in scoring. They need baserunners. This. That's because they're not _walking_. because they're putting TOO MANY balls in play. You know what else they're 20th in? Out of zone contact %, ascending. They're 18th in BB% but 7th in .ISO. Lucas Duda has 30 HR and 49 Runs. No one drove him in all year. (well, 19) I don't know where those bunt numbers come from .Fangraphs has the Bunt attempts at 750 in 2011, with a 23.4% success rate. That's down to 497 with a 25.8% in 2017. What's that? a .516 OPS? You'd only need 1 single or walk in 4 tries to do better than that.

Edgy MD Sep 27 2017 03:03 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's 2017+ and home runs are leaving the yard at record paces. Yes, I know what year it is. The Mets have hit more homers than at any time in their history, and yet are 20th in scoring. They need baserunners. This. That's because they're not _walking_. Well, there are only so many hours in a day. As if one obviates the other. I don't know where those bunt numbers come from Here. Fangraphs has the Bunt attempts at 750 in 2011, with a 23.4% success rate. That's down to 497 with a 25.8% in 2017. What's that? a .516 OPS? You'd only need 1 single or walk in 4 tries to do better than that. Well, John Dewan takes the time to distinguish sacrifice bunts from bunting for a hit.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2017 03:55 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Oh, I'm not crying over the losses, and I certainly wouldn't rend any giveaway tees over sliding to the fifth overall pick or so (we're currently hovering at six). But sometimes it's viscerally nice to get a moment of respite from them, especially one with a little joie de boule on it, and flecked with moments of promise/gumption from the kinder. Yeah but you won't remember any of those moments by next season. Another Darryl Strawberry in a Mets uniform, you'll remember for the rest of your life. So will your kids.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2017 04:00 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

And maybe another Fernando Martinez! Or another Alex Escobar!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 27 2017 05:46 PM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...

Bringing this forward to the current page. Benjamin Grimm wrote: Cast your vote!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 13 2017 11:07 AM Re: IGT 09/26 - Braves at Mets - Five more...