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Centerfield Sep 21 2017 06:36 PM

...should you choose to accept it. Find me something. Anything. Doesn't have to be limited to baseball. That is uglier than the Marlins Home Run Statue. Go.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2017 06:51 PM Re: Your challenge...

Brutalism, generally, but The Third Church of Christ Scientist, Washington, DC, in particular. I mean, the Marlins homerun sculpture, properly scaled, would be a perfectly pleasant diversion at a miniature golf course, but where would that building work?

Ceetar Sep 21 2017 06:52 PM Re: Your challenge...

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2017 07:07 PM Re: Your challenge...

YS3; I'm not even gonna acknowledge it with an image. Horrid looking place.

41Forever Sep 21 2017 07:17 PM Re: Your challenge...

I love the Marlins home run sculpture. I like when parks have quirky local features, like our Apple, the train in Houston, the riverboat smokestacks in Cincy, the Liberty Bell light in Philly. I've been to two games in Marlins Park and liked it.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2017 07:20 PM Re: Your challenge...

cooby Sep 21 2017 07:22 PM Re: Your challenge...

That lady should not have mowed over that hornets nest

Centerfield Sep 21 2017 07:26 PM Re: Your challenge...

Ceetar wrote: I'd rather he were a Yankee than President.

Lefty Specialist Sep 21 2017 08:00 PM Re: Your challenge...

Call it a two-fer.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 21 2017 08:48 PM Re: Your challenge...

I like the home run statue /ducks

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2017 08:50 PM Re: Your challenge...

I agree that it's hideous, but it's Florida, so it's appropriate.

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2017 08:57 PM Re: Your challenge...

I don't mind it. The cool part is supposedly Jeter hates it and wants to make drop-kicking it out of there his first act once his group officially takes over. Except that apparently the city of Miami has some sort of jurisdiction over it and some of the other pieces of art in the stadium (they paid for the joint so it's good that they kept some measure of control) and so the new owners are finding out that they're not necessarily going to be the ones with the final say.

seawolf17 Sep 21 2017 08:58 PM Re: Your challenge...

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree that it's hideous, but it's Florida, so it's appropriate. This. It's tacky as hell, but that's part of its charm.

Centerfield Sep 21 2017 09:13 PM Re: Your challenge...

To be clear, just because it's ugly doesn't mean you can't like it. (this statement is why I was able to get any dates at all when I was single) But it is, undeniably, ugly. As is Edgy's building. Also, the Marlin on the right is so clearly Ichiro.

Centerfield Sep 21 2017 09:13 PM Re: Your challenge...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Call it a two-fer. Is it possible to look any more like Beavis?

d'Kong76 Sep 21 2017 09:19 PM Re: Your challenge...

That's pretty funny, never noticed that... [fimg=350:6fro75j6]http://agario-skins.org/images/skins/custom/beavis.png?v0.11.3[/fimg:6fro75j6]

Ashie62 Sep 21 2017 10:21 PM Re: Your challenge...

The sculpture is a Japanese Pachinko knockoff. I like it quite a bit.

MFS62 Sep 21 2017 11:05 PM Re: Your challenge...

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Drop the mic. You won. Later

Vic Sage Sep 22 2017 02:56 PM Re: Your challenge...

"Ugly" is a subjective conclusion, not a factual one, and I love that sculpture and find its satiric, kitchy style hilarious and beautiful. Red Grooms is one of the 20th century's greatest artists and he could surely design a better "home run apple" than the boring thing we have now, that would stand on its own as a piece of art. But the `Pons don't have the taste, interest, money or cajones to commission a piece of public art with that sort of impact. Instead, we get a bridge and a Shake Shack. See how i turned your innocent, amusing critique of Marlins Park into a diatribe against the `Pons? I bet i could do that with any reference you care to make. Now THERE'S a challenge...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 22 2017 03:17 PM Re: Your challenge...

LOlolOlLOlLOlll

Ceetar Sep 22 2017 03:26 PM Re: Your challenge...

The old apple was appropriately kitschy imo, and the new one is rather bland. But I'd always go overboard on these things, which is why I think the Marlins other (non Stanton) home run thing is neat. You're limited a little in placement since the apple is in the batter's eye. I'd have moved it to the side and made it part of a whole orchard complete with real! apple trees. It'd probably be called the Motts Orchard, but whatever. Apple Sauce would literally be fired from cannons into the Promenade after each home run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 22 2017 03:52 PM Re: Your challenge...

I do think this becoming a way to criticize the Wilpons is appropriate. It's not just that they lack the creativity to do something as distinct as the dolphin statue; or simply sold every square inch of real estate to a sponsor; but as Ceets points out they did *that* without any creativity or imagination. Just watch next year as the Mets hire their own "Beat the Freeze" guy, except they'll call it "Beat the Tri-State Lincoln-Mercury Dealer Guy" and expect pats on the back for innovation. Hey Jeff you suck!!!!

batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2017 05:10 PM Re: Your challenge...

I've always liked the Marlins HR sculpture. But I came to a newly discovered realization after reading this thread: I think that I also like the Grooms piece because subconsciously, I figured that the Wilpons could never come up with something like that. If the Wilpons were hypothetically forced to display the Grooms thing at Citi Field, they'd probably debase it. The philistines woudl stick a huge Coca Cola logo ad on it.

Ceetar Sep 22 2017 05:43 PM Re: Your challenge...

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just watch next year as the Mets hire their own "Beat the Freeze" guy, except they'll call it "Beat the Tri-State Lincoln-Mercury Dealer Guy" and expect pats on the back for innovation. well sure. A bunch of other teams probably will too. These vendors pitch these things at the winter meetings or gm meetings or whatever. The problem isn't that the Wilpons aren't creative, or couldn't be, it's that they're boring as hell business people that just don't care. They've never cared. Part if it is New York is a full marketplace and everyone will come anyway if they win and really just as long as they're interesting a bunch of bandwagon fans that don't really care about whether or not the blue of the Mets wall is historically accurate.. They have a marketing team who probably send an intern or two to go to these conferences and set up the calendar for next year. They idly click through things in the Swirly drinkworks catalog..no, that's not true. They probably just read the highlighted "new!" and "hot item!" section at the front of the Swirly Drinkworks catalog and set up the promotional schedule based on that. I'm sure the "Magic is back" campaign that begot the Apple was just some well-produced marketing pack from some ambitious underling. I don't even care about the advertising. Maybe i'm just numb to it by this point, but it's everywhere and the Mets aren't even particularly worse about it from a NY standpoint. I thought the Pepsi (And I guess the Coke, although it has even less real tie-in) light-up sign was/is neat. The stupid dunkin cup in LF at Shea was a bit tacky, but it was kinda interesting in it's own way. (Did you know I think the Mets still pretend Cuppy was/does only appear at Citi Field?) My dream would be a slush fund (small, this stuff is mostly peanuts). like a decorating budget, each year, administered by Howie, Gary, and a few well-vetted fans. (Darren probably, Greg. a few others. Cerrone I guess?) And let them fool around with some silly ideas each year. Let them pick a few promotions. Hell, let them have the advertising interns to try to arrange sponsorships. Let them propose tweaks to ..well everything. Naming sections of park "The Piazza" moving the apple to the side and making it part of a tree. Shooting off t-shirts EVERY inning and more from the promenade.

Edgy MD Sep 22 2017 06:10 PM Re: Your challenge...

The Magic Is Back thing was from an outside firm—Della Femina, Travisano & Partners. It was a big thing even before the campaign launched, as it was allegedly the first time an MLB team even hired an ad agency, let alone a Madison Avenue one. (Probably not true, I would guess, but it was publicized as such) In 1986 the agency sort of did the opposite of what the Mets did. While the team was being flipped from corporate ownership to private, the DTP firm was sold to a British syndicate, and Jerry Della Femina spent the rest of his life being Jerry Della Femina. I'm kinda surprised he never bought a piece of the team, but minority investors are kind of a new thing to the Mets.

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2017 06:12 PM Re: Your challenge...

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Just watch next year as the Mets hire their own "Beat the Freeze" guy, except they'll call it "Beat the Tri-State Lincoln-Mercury Dealer Guy" and expect pats on the back for innovation. well sure. A bunch of other teams probably will too. These vendors pitch these things at the winter meetings or gm meetings or whatever. The problem isn't that the Wilpons aren't creative, or couldn't be, it's that they're boring as hell business people that just don't care. They've never cared. I suspect it's more a lack of daring than a lack of caring. It's the same reason why those few bars of 'Blister in the Sun' and 'Everybody Clap Yo Hands' are heard at every ballpark in the country. Sure they could go out and maybe hire someone to find something new or different, but those wouldn't be pre-approved, pre-market-tested toe-tappers so why take the chance. It's the same way that 'Classic Rock Radio' market researched themselves into utter boringness, not because they didn't try but because they weren't willing to try anything even slightly off the beaten path. I'm sure the "Magic is back" campaign that begot the Apple was just some well-produced marketing pack from some ambitious underling. Actually (I'm almost certain about this) it was Madison Avenue rock star Jerry Della Famina who came up with that one, almost certainly for huge buxxx. Call it money well spent or something your idiot cousin could have come up with, but at least it was unique to that team at that time and not just a rip-off or even variation of what 20 other clubs were doing or saying.

Ceetar Sep 22 2017 07:14 PM Re: Your challenge...

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm sure the "Magic is back" campaign that begot the Apple was just some well-produced marketing pack from some ambitious underling. Actually (I'm almost certain about this) it was Madison Avenue rock star Jerry Della Famina who came up with that one, almost certainly for huge buxxx. Call it money well spent or something your idiot cousin could have come up with, but at least it was unique to that team at that time and not just a rip-off or even variation of what 20 other clubs were doing or saying. six of one.. so not an underling but an outside agency. (though who's to say it wasn't an underling there) I'd love if they did something like that again, but I imagine they don't see much value in it. (And truthfully, there might not be)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 22 2017 08:30 PM Re: Your challenge...

Mets still maintain an agency, I believe Publicis Group or one of its boutiques. They also do stuff like this on one-off basses http://www.boldworldwide.com/new-york-m ... -ad-agency

G-Fafif Sep 22 2017 08:39 PM Re: Your challenge...

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Mets still maintain an agency, I believe Publicis Group or one of its boutiques. They also do stuff like this on one-off basses http://www.boldworldwide.com/new-york-m ... -ad-agency Those are good. When/where did they run? I never saw them before.