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Fred! Still at it.
John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 28 2017 11:53 PM |
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Fred's had a thing for white-haired baseball guys forever but this is shocking.
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d'Kong76 Sep 29 2017 12:08 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
That's a mouthful to chew on; hell, it's 3 1/12 mouthfuls to chew on.
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Ceetar Sep 29 2017 12:16 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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pretty much sums it up. my favorite is the things touted as virtues when we were winning are issues when we're losing. It's either that or how you could've written this story at roughly any managerial firing without changing very much.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 29 2017 12:31 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
I know how little respect you have for journalists, but a club's COO being overruled by his 80-year-old father is not an aspect of "roughly any" managerial controversy.
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Ceetar Sep 29 2017 12:35 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I don't believe that happened that way. I don't like how formulaic the article is. and the timing is, as usual, suspect. It's not June. It's the end of the season after the last home game. And you could swap Wilpon for DeWitt and Collins for Matheny and post that in St Louis and everyone would believe it was written about them.
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Ashie62 Sep 29 2017 01:15 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
If true, not the Terry I pictured.
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MFS62 Sep 29 2017 01:23 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Not word for word the way I've perceived Terry over the years, but I can believe it.
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Edgy MD Sep 29 2017 02:06 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Interesting that the creamy middle was all about bullpen overusage.
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Frayed Knot Sep 29 2017 02:52 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
THOUGHTS ON THE THREAD!!!
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Frayed Knot Sep 29 2017 03:20 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Just as an aside, both the Post & Snooze are now carrying this story also.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 29 2017 05:58 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Re: bullpen usage.
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G-Fafif Sep 29 2017 10:33 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
It's almost as if people who work together in close quarters over a long period of time get sick of each other, particularly when things aren't going well.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 29 2017 11:38 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
You're right the "nooz" inning is jammed with potential conflicts. I happened to be listening on Wednesday and being surprised it wasn't Carig in the chair but David Lennon (I think), and thinking he must be going away because he wouldn't take a break this late in the year. I suppose MC was in the HVAC room at the time.
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bmfc1 Sep 29 2017 11:52 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
The Post has it's own version. No matter why, I just wish it didn't happen. I wasn't (past tense) a big Terry fan and I'm glad his tenure is over but let the guy leave in peace with his head held high and his reputation restored. Set aside a Terry appreciation day (perhaps give out a really small bobblehead) and induct him into the Mets Hall of Fame. He got them into the WS and there was last year's playoff run so he did something right despite the bunting and overuse of the bullpen
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metirish Sep 29 2017 01:14 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
The Mets know how to do end of season turmoil , will Terry be allowed to retire gracefully or will he get Mets bashed on the way out?
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Ceetar Sep 29 2017 01:39 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
I suspect most owners that spend billions of dollars voice their opinions. The situation in St. Louis is almost identical for instance.
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Frayed Knot Sep 29 2017 01:41 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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It does although, as I mentioned above, it seems to have been ripped directly from the Newsday piece without acknowledging so - at least in the version they had up last night right after the Newsday piece broke. The Daily News had one too but they were at least honest enough to credit Newsday as the source.
Those things are always a potential problem. The Daily News -- between doing those in-game chats for years on the Yanqui broadcasts, coupled with the on-air commercials Torre used to do for them, coupled with Madden sitting in George's box one day and writing a pro-George piece the next that -- always made you question whether they were able to be a fair voice on all things MFY or were closer to a pr firm disguised as a newspaper. The Mets ran into this during the Torborg era when at one point Jeff was disputing the facts of something Newsday had run but was also at the time doing regular commercials for them. This put him in an awkward situation one day where he was essentially calling the paper that paid him a liar but of course didn't want to say so in so many words.
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cooby Sep 29 2017 01:48 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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Kinda what I was thinking. Was there a young stud there that he was stiffing? The mediocrity seemed to cover all age groups.
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bmfc1 Sep 29 2017 02:26 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
You can argue that he should have been playing Cecchini more and certainly over Reyes (not that Cecchini was a "stud" or even that great).
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d'Kong76 Sep 29 2017 03:08 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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Not big on answering with 'this'... but this!
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Edgy MD Sep 29 2017 03:16 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
I think perhaps a big part of the reason that this is breaking a week for the end of Terry's tenure is that a lot of the sources are realizing that their tenures are likely coming to an end also, so there's little motivation to play good soldier.
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Ashie62 Sep 29 2017 03:21 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Maybe Terry is coming back and Sandy is leaving.
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Lefty Specialist Sep 29 2017 03:24 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
It's inevitable that you're going to get stories like this as the season's winding down, and Terry's been a dead man walking for a couple of months now.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2017 03:29 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Other than Casey, it ended bad for every Mets manager that ever was. I'd bet it woulda happened to Gil, too, if he didn't die before the end of his tenure.
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41Forever Sep 29 2017 03:58 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
If journalists allow people to speak without using their name, they will find someone, somewhere to say what they are looking for. It seems to me that if you are going to damage someone's reputation, as this story does, you need to have someone stand up and be on the record. Without that, take everything with a grain of salt. There is very little accountability in sports journalism sometimes. A "team official" could be anyone.
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cooby Sep 29 2017 04:04 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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Ew that's the worst way to end a career
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41Forever Sep 29 2017 04:17 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I'd have to argue that very few managers retire and ride off on their own. It usually ends after a string of losing seasons. Walt Alston, Tommy Lasorda, maybe Tony LaRussa. Perhaps Sparky Anderson, through he had sort of a rough departure, too. Torre was fired three times before his long MFY tenure, and think that was a little uncomfortable near the end, too.
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d'Kong76 Sep 29 2017 04:24 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I don't really recall Torre's departure... he'd already been canonized into NYC sainthood and it's tough to be too rough on a saint. All bow.
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Frayed Knot Sep 29 2017 04:30 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Even though he wasn't officially fired, Mother Torresa was decidedly NOT treated well on his way out of the Bronx.
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bmfc1 Sep 29 2017 04:37 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I'm ruling out Mr. Met because he doesn't talk.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2017 04:40 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Mr. Met can talk with his fingers.
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Frayed Knot Sep 29 2017 04:42 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
But with only four fingers on each hand he has a more limited vocabulary.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2017 04:44 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
He only needs his middle finger and he's got two of those on each hand what with Mr. Met having an even number of fingers on each hand.
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d'Kong76 Sep 29 2017 04:49 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
I miss HVAC Guy at Shea... he knew shit and shared.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 29 2017 05:35 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Carig says Alderson, Jeff and Fred all refused to comment so that leaves:
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Edgy MD Sep 29 2017 10:14 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I'd say breaking your hip in a bar isn't exactly ending good either.
Well, the other option is independent corroboration. Obviously, there are stories that are true but would never get published if the sources had to be named (Watergate!). Un-named sources have a long and important history in journalism, and there are both irresponsible and responsible ways to use them.
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41Forever Sep 30 2017 01:33 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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Correct. Unnamed sources should be used as an absolute last resort, and sparingly. I can probably count the number of times I used them on one hand. But they are used waaaaaaaay to often in sports stories, it seems, which makes it far too easy to take shots at people.
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Frayed Knot Sep 30 2017 11:39 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
More from the player perspective than from a journalistic one, Dabid sez to stop with the anonymous Terry bashing.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 30 2017 01:04 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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I feel like David Wright once again is falling back on providing a journalist with the answer he thinks he wants them to hear.
The other player said:
That's not a rip on Terry at all, but his teammates if anything but again seems to more be a clarification of things that a list of greivances.
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Edgy MD Sep 30 2017 02:49 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
It's funny, because earlier in his tenure, the regular story on Terry was how focused on communication he was, frequently stopping by a guy's locker to make sure the lines were open, specifically catering to the guy going through rough spots, and being overtly conscious in choosing this behavior, because failing to communicate is what allegedly doomed him at previous spots.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 30 2017 03:58 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Yes. And not 4 nothing but the field of "one Mets" who would use the word "multitude" in a sentence isn't that big, unless Carig reached out to departed guys like Walker, Bruce or Reed.
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G-Fafif Sep 30 2017 04:42 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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Milone again, naturally.
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Edgy MD Sep 30 2017 06:15 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Come on. You spot Tommy Milone in a runway, tell me you know who it is?
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Ashie62 Sep 30 2017 07:59 PM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Test Fred for dementia.
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Frayed Knot Oct 01 2017 12:30 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
Sandy: 'Were I to find out who that person [the front office leaker] is, that person would be terminated immediately'
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MFS62 Oct 01 2017 01:35 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
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If he reached out for that quote, my money would be on Granderson using that word. Later
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2017 02:28 AM Re: Fred! Still at it. |
You want insinuations? I'll give you insinuations.
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