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Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Pete Mackanin

1 votes

Tom Lawless

2 votes

Jim Leyland

8 votes

Jack McKeon

2 votes

Daren Brown

1 votes

Sam Perlozzo

1 votes

Buddy Bell

1 votes

Ray Knight

4 votes

Buck Martinez

2 votes

Jim Lefebvre

3 votes

Bill Russell

1 votes

Greg Riddoch

0 votes

Jim Essian

1 votes

Jim Snyder

0 votes

Billy Gardner

2 votes

Johnny Goryl

0 votes

Dick Tracewski

1 votes

Edgy MD Oct 04 2017 11:46 PM

Remember when you were Sandy Alderson? Well, dammit, you're still Sandy F. Alderson. And you're frankly a little underwhelmed at the ex-manager managerial candidates presented to you by your assistant GM and your special assistant to the GM. And then it occurs to you ... you have another special assistant to the GM — he's been on the job a couple of days now — and so you give him a call. "TERRY!" you say, "I'm looking for an experienced manager. No, another experienced manager. This may be a total dick move, but I figure you know a lot of guys. On the one hand, you were a manager just last week. On the other hand — CALM DOWN, Terry — you've been around the race track a few times." You let Terry vent for a bit about fundamentals and eggs in your beer and guys who run tight ships, and it's frankly still less annoying than listening to Willie Randolph talk about winning. At the end, you're all, "So, you'll have that list of 17 guys on my desk by nine, right?" And damned if he doesn't have it there by seven. Because Terry is a lot of things. But above all, he's a pretty standup guy. Which four of these 17 managers would you call in for the interview? Or at least the pre-interview interview? Mgr Age Team(s) Yrs From To W L W-L% Ties G > .500 G W Post L Post W-L% Post Best Fin Wrst Fin Av Rk Plyof App WS won Penn Won ASG Mets Connection [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/846cfca2_davis.jpg[/fimg] Pete Mackanin 66 PIT, CIN, PHA 5 2005 2017 226 291 .437 0 -65 517 0 0 4 5 5.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/2/26e4b984_davis.jpg[/fimg] Tom Lawless 61 HOU 1 2014 2014 11 13 .458 0 -2 24 0 0 4 4 4.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/e/ed9e6403_manager.jpg[/fimg] Jim Leyland 73 PIT, FLA, COL, DET 22 1986 2013 1769 1728 .506 2 41 3499 44 40 .524 1 6 3.0 8 1 3 3 Hired Terry Collins for his coaching stafff. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/0/0dca28f6_manager.jpg[/fimg] Jack McKeon 87 KCR, OAK, SDP, CIN, FLA 16 1973 2011 1051 990 .515 1 61 2042 11 6 .647 2 7 3.3 1 1 1 1 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/9025cfd4_manager.jpg[/fimg] Daren Brown 50 SEA 1 2010 2010 19 31 .380 0 -12 50 0 0 4 4 4.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/b/b0b43d2a_davis.jpg[/fimg] Sam Perlozzo 67 BAL 3 2005 2007 122 164 .427 0 -42 286 0 0 4 5 4.2 0 0 0 0 Coach, 1987-1989. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/3/3c5a1306_davis.jpg[/fimg] Buddy Bell 66 DET, COL, KCR 9 1996 2007 519 724 .418 0 -205 1243 0 0 3 5 4.6 0 0 0 0 Player, 1984-1986. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/8ec64433_davis.jpg[/fimg] Ray Knight 65 CIN 3 1996 2003 125 137 .477 0 -12 262 0 0 3 5 3.0 0 0 0 0 Father was and original Met, 1962. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/c/c399cb78_davis.jpg[/fimg] Buck Martinez 69 TOR 2 2001 2002 100 115 .465 0 -15 215 0 0 3 3 3.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/9d6f50c7_davis.jpg[/fimg] Jim Lefebvre 76 SEA, CHC, MIL 6 1989 1999 417 442 .485 1 -25 860 0 0 4 6 4.8 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/c/c8449738_davis.jpg[/fimg] Bill Russell 69 LAD 3 1996 1998 173 149 .537 0 24 322 0 3 .000 2 3 2.2 1 0 0 0 Johnny Goryl Dick Tracewski [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/6/6c13c3ac_manager.jpg[/fimg] Greg Riddoch 72 SDP 3 1990 1992 200 194 .508 0 6 394 0 0 3 5 3.4 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/88753f52_davis.jpg[/fimg] Jim Essian 67 CHC 1 1991 1991 59 63 .484 0 -4 122 0 0 4 4 4.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/e/eebae929_davis.jpg[/fimg] Jim Snyder 85 SEA 1 1988 1988 45 60 .429 0 -15 105 0 0 7 7 7.0 0 0 0 0 [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/8003c04f_davis.jpg[/fimg] Billy Gardner 90 MIN, KCR 6 1981 1987 330 417 .442 0 -87 747 0 0 2 7 4.6 0 0 0 0 From Watertown, CT; played for New York Giants. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/961caebb_davis.jpg[/fimg] Johnny Goryl 84 MIN 2 1980 1981 34 38 .472 1 -4 73 0 0 3 7 5.0 0 0 0 0 Played for New York Giants. [fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/4/44b1bfe8_davis.jpg[/fimg] Dick Tracewski 83 DET 1 1979 1979 2 0 1.000 0 2 2 0 0 5 5 5.0 0 0 0 0 Former minor league Brooklyn Dodger.

Mets Willets Point Oct 05 2017 12:23 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Is this the "Really Old Guys" group?

Edgy MD Oct 05 2017 12:32 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Yeah, it just shook out that way, but howzabaout that? I sorted them into groups based on their last year managing. So each group should have some recent guys near the front of the list, but that may mean guys pretty much as old as the guys that haven't seen a dugout in decades. Group D will have a couple of guys who haven't yet seen a social security check.

cooby Oct 05 2017 12:39 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Sam perlozzo gave me some heart palpitations once

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 12:45 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

I hope Group D is more encouraging.

seawolf17 Oct 05 2017 12:55 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

d'Kong76 wrote: I hope Group D is more encouraging. Seriously. This has been ugly so far.

Edgy MD Oct 05 2017 01:13 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

We've only had one Lachemann so far!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 05 2017 03:50 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

We're going old, huh? Let's go CRETACEOUS, motherfathers. Leyland, McKeon, Lefvebre, and Gardner... the last if only because I'm kind of morbidly, evilly curious about whether this team could actually kill a guy with its play.

metirish Oct 05 2017 05:09 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Leyland only

Edgy MD Oct 05 2017 05:31 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Tom Lawless is the bomb. First of all, his name is Tom Lawless. Second of all, if I'm remembering correctly, the Cardinals carried him virtually the whole season in 1987, but he didn't record a single hit until September. SEPTEMBER! His final batting average on the season was .080. Two-for-25. But then, following a post-season injury to Terry Pendleton, the guy hits a homer in the World Series for Whitey Herzog. Tom Lawless. That's a guy who'll reward your faith.

Lefty Specialist Oct 05 2017 06:34 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

So basically we're putting every living manager from the last 10 to 30 years into a pile and picking one out?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 05 2017 06:47 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

I had forgotten that Ray Knight managed the Reds. (And that Davey Lopes managed the Brewers.)

Benjamin Grimm Oct 05 2017 06:49 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Hey, are we going to see Pete Rose in this game? He's not dead, but ineligible for other reasons.

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2017 07:10 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hey, are we going to see Pete Rose in this game? He's not dead, but ineligible for other reasons. I never promised you a Rose pardon.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 01:54 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Lefty Specialist wrote: So basically we're putting every living manager from the last 10 to 30 years into a pile and picking one out? Every living manager from forever. And picking four out from each group.

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2017 05:59 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Leyland, but only if he doesn't smoke in the dugout. Or smoke period for that matter.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2017 12:59 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

This group needs more votes. Got a three-way tie for fourth among Lawless, Martinez, and Gardner, with two votes each.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2017 02:21 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

I can't believe I'm the only one who voted for Essian. That mustache was a *star.*

Edgy MD Oct 09 2017 03:30 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Essian looks a little crazy. Like the older brother of Luther from The Warriors.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 09 2017 05:35 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

Didn't Jim Leyland manage the Tigers? Of Michigan? Don't get me started.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 09 2017 05:46 PM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

It appears that somebody doesn't like Michigan! Do you have something against all of the trees being the correct height?

Ashie62 Oct 13 2017 01:16 AM Re: Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

The multiple thread nominees seem so old to me. So, how about this?