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Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Bon Jovi

3 votes

Kate Bush*

3 votes

The Cars

13 votes

Depeche Mode

6 votes

Dire Straits*

15 votes

Eurythmics*

5 votes

J. Geils Band

7 votes

Judas Priest*

5 votes

LL Cool J

2 votes

The MC5

2 votes

The Meters

2 votes

Moody Blues*

9 votes

Radiohead*

12 votes

Rage Against the Machine*

6 votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

1 votes

Nina Simone*

2 votes

Sister Rosetta Tharpe*

8 votes

Link Wray

4 votes

The Zombies

4 votes

G-Fafif Oct 05 2017 05:36 PM

Here are your Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame nominees for the Class of 2018; asterisks indicate first-time candidates. Poll it up, if you like. Bon Jovi Kate Bush* The Cars Depeche Mode Dire Straits* Eurythmics* J. Geils Band Judas Priest* LL Cool J The MC5 The Meters Moody Blues* Radiohead* Rage Against the Machine* Rufus featuring Chaka Khan Nina Simone* Sister Rosetta Tharpe* Link Wray The Zombies

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 06:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

G-Fafif wrote: Judas Priest* They must have seen the Friday Morning Metal thread.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 06:12 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

This yearly drives me nuts... Bon Jovi - he hasn't bought his way in yet? The Cars - seriously, not a unique influential band? Dire Straits* - the asterisk is embarrassing. J. Geils Band - better than Madonna, a lot better Moody Blues* - who's in charge there? *?

Edgy MD Oct 05 2017 06:16 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I'm tempted to be grumbly about Nina Simone, who'd class up the joint but I've never heard her sing two notes of rock 'n' roll. But I'm mollified to see Sr. Rosetta Tharpe among the nominees, easily the most egregious oversight. Reportedly, no band has had as much fan lobbying over the years as Moody Blues, even leading to board members quitting because they've been shut down for even introducing the Blues for consideration. But here they are, first-time nominees. Rufus Featuring Chaka Kahn isn't listed as a first-time nominee, but I'm pretty sure Chaka had previously been nominated on her own, but not the band.

Mets Willets Point Oct 05 2017 06:19 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Only 5 options (sad face)? I've got 10, and could probably make the case for more. Kate Bush* Depeche Mode Eurythmics* LL Cool J The MC5 Radiohead* Rage Against the Machine* Rufus featuring Chaka Khan Nina Simone* Sister Rosetta Tharpe*

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 07:12 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Wow, you really are anti-Cars!

seawolf17 Oct 05 2017 07:14 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I only learned about Sister Rosetta Tharpe when I was in Memphis last year. I was embarrassed that I'd never known about her before.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 07:26 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I loved the first album, but the follow up for me was brilliant... [youtube:xm5uzvzj]laKCB9SVvL0[/youtube:xm5uzvzj] [youtube:xm5uzvzj]mmALL-V74Po[/youtube:xm5uzvzj]

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 07:41 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I can't stop!! [youtube:3gow05nj]fgCW9v4fbiE[/youtube:3gow05nj]

41Forever Oct 05 2017 07:56 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Cars are awesome and should be in! Dire Straits has the right mix of hits, great playing and respectability. I don't like Radiohead, but I know they are respected and influential. Bob Jovi will get in, I'm sure. Not a big fan.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 08:02 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Bon Jovi sucks, but you're too nice to say it! Ooops, I just did.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 05 2017 08:28 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Everyone knows Bon Jovi is a fraud. The Cars certainly deserve in. They made new wave safe for rockers, and rock safe for new wavers. They came off edgy and new but were actually old souls that barely made an attempt to hide it. They were a critical and commercial success for the start, and a commercial success even after they stopped being a critical one. Same 5 guys every album. Going against them was their reputation for coldness, Ocasek's wooden live performances and strained detachment, probably a little too much production and not enough "art." But they are easy ins in my opinion. Batmags and Willets Point can bite my Shoo-be-doo.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 05 2017 09:46 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Cars certainly deserve in. They made new wave safe for rockers, and rock safe for new wavers. ... They were a critical and commercial .... Batmags and Willets Point can bite my Shoo-be-doo. You could say the same for The Police, The Talking Heads and Blondie-- all new wavin' contemporaries of The Cars and R&R HOF inductees for about 15 years now. 15 years. Bite your own Shoo-be-doo.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 09:50 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Go listen to Led Zep lll, I will too...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 05 2017 10:02 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Cars certainly deserve in. They made new wave safe for rockers, and rock safe for new wavers. ... They were a critical and commercial .... Batmags and Willets Point can bite my Shoo-be-doo. You could say the same for The Police, The Talking Heads and Blondie-- all new wavin' contemporaries of The Cars and R&R HOF inductees for about 15 years now. 15 years. Bite your own Shoo-be-doo. I'm not arguing against those 3 but the cases all are different.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2017 10:55 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I don't get people who don't get this... [youtube:1z71nljl]Vffk--hPySU[/youtube:1z71nljl]

Chad Ochoseis Oct 06 2017 12:10 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Subjectivity. It's weird, and it makes it weird to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm all in favor of having one, particularly because it's a cash cow for my adopted hometown. But I have no idea what to base a vote on. If you think Gil MacDougald was a better baseball player than Willie Mays, it's because you're clueless about baseball, and I can prove it to you objectively. If you think Bruce Springsteen's music is better than Richard Thompson's, well, I don't agree with you, but there's not any way I can convince you that I'm right and you're wrong. That being said, I'm a shoo-be-doo bitin' non-Cars fan. Not grungy enough to be New Wave. Not technical enough to be good classick rawk. Not really a great bridge between the two. And Ric Ocasek's voice grates on me. I'm with Edgy on Nina Simone. Easily the best artist on this list, but not rock and roll. Or roots. Or an influence. I'm another one of the benighted group that had never heard of Sister Rosetta Tharpe. So I went over to YouTube and listened, and she gets my vote. The other four: The Meters Dire Straits Depeche Mode Kate Bush And, yeah, Richard Thompson - with or without Fairport Convention - should be on next year's list. And Koko Taylor, too.

Mets Willets Point Oct 06 2017 12:59 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Honestly, when I hear a Cars song it grates on my nerves, it causes a physical revulsion. I can't explain it, but I also can't listen to it.

Fman99 Oct 06 2017 01:04 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Cars. Dire Straits. J Geils Band. I can pass on all the rest.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 01:47 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Subjectivity. It's weird, and it makes it weird to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm all in favor of having one, particularly because it's a cash cow for my adopted hometown. But I have no idea what to base a vote on. Yeah, but curators of all sorts get paid big bucks, and there's a method and a standard to what they do. Does the artist or work influence, embody, or advance the form? This is subjective, yeah, but there is objective evidence to bring to bear, assuming a sincere body can come to an agreement on what the form is. Obviously science is science and art is art, but some science can be applied to the appreciation of art and the study of it's impact.

Ashie62 Oct 06 2017 02:11 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Bon Jovi- Pretty much Inevitable. The Cars Radiohead Judas Priest

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2017 02:48 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, but curators of all sorts get paid big bucks, and there's a method and a standard to what they do. Does the artist or work influence, embody, or advance the form? This is subjective, yeah, but there is objective evidence to bring to bear, assuming a sincere body can come to an agreement on what the form is. Except that there seems to be a particular lack of transparency with this particular HoF -- both in the nomination process and then on who goes through and how -- that who knows how any of the above applies.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 12:26 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I didn't defend the RnRHoF's process by any stretch. I'm saying there is a right way to curate that brings a science to the subjectivity, not that they are a model.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 06 2017 02:54 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I don't think there's been a more important or influential band than Radiohead the last 20 years. Slam dunk, those guys. Rage and MC5 have kinda similar arcs, so? RATM's debut was so powerful and scared the shit out of people, but that comet burned out too, too quickly. But holy shit, "Killing in the Name of".

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 03:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Yeah, you got me to unclick Eurythmics and throw my vote to Radiohead. I've seen both acts, and both surprised me in different ways. I guess Radiohead ... unsettled me a little bit.

d'Kong76 Oct 06 2017 04:03 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Mets Willets Point wrote: Honestly, when I hear a Cars song it grates on my nerves, it causes a physical revulsion. I can't explain it, but I also can't listen to it. Nah, I get it. Some peoples voices just don't sit well with ya. There are some Springsteen songs that make me break out in hives.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 04:07 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

On the other hand, the Cars had two voices, and one of them was tremendous. It was just what I needed.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 04:09 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

d'Kong76 wrote: [youtube]mmALL-V74Po[/youtube] Greg Hawkes should be in the Hall of Fame for his maraca work on this track alone!

Ashie62 Oct 06 2017 04:12 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I would consider Greg Hawkes a "voice". His use of new keyboard technology was primary to the Cars' sound.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2017 04:17 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Then Easton is too. At that Live Aid clip, Hawkes has an Apple IIe or a TRS-1000 or something on his rack.

sharpie Oct 06 2017 09:19 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine? Sister Rosetta Thorpe were pretty obvious picks for me. Went with Dire Straits for the last one but will shed no tears if they have to wait longer. Nina Simone, Eurythmics and Link Wrau got consideration and now I'm wishing I had used that last pick for Link. None of the others are Haml worthy in my nook.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 06 2017 09:57 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I'm a Dire Straights fan but I don't think of them as a band so much as guys Knopfler played with, as I believe everyone but bass player John Illsley left before their biggest album came out, and they used studio musicians and special guests aplenty. He's certainly a great talent who probably out to be there as a solo artist anyway. Radiohead remains a blindspot for me, I just never listened to em. I saw them open for REM once but neither group really had a good night I didn't think. The Cars evidently remain a topic of controversy here but they have my support. I kinda like Eurythmics but not sure they're exactly kicking down the door of the place. J. Giels for their legend as a stage band that finally made some hits? OK I guess. Deserving guys still nit nominated: Rundrgren, Joe Jackson, Midnight Oil

Ashie62 Oct 06 2017 10:23 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Edgy MD wrote: Then Easton is too. At that Live Aid clip, Hawkes has an Apple IIe or a TRS-1000 or something on his rack. Sure Easton is.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2017 11:22 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I was big into Dire Straits early on (and I'm rarely into anyone ahead of the curve) but they had, what?, four albums before Knopfler went off to do soundtracks, country duets, solo folky-type stuff. Nothing wrong with any of that of course but much of it ain't what they call rock and roll. And now all of that leads to the question about whether in the weird world of R&R HoF consideration, can the the stuff put out under the DS tag get added to his solo portfolio, or does all this shape-shifting mean that he could wind up coming up short on both the solo and group parts of the equation? The Radiohead train also left the track without me anywhere near it. Don't dislike 'em, just don't know 'em. Ditto Depeche Mode which I think I assumed was a dessert of some sort.

d'Kong76 Oct 06 2017 11:28 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Cars, Dire Straits, J Geils Band, Priest, Moody Blues for me this year.

seawolf17 Oct 07 2017 01:40 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I went with Priest, Rage, Tharpe, and Link Wray. I'm surprised Wray's not in yet, actually. My fifth vote keeps bouncing between Dire Straits and Radiohead. I feel like Radiohead is still too current to be a "Hall of Fame" act.

Mets Willets Point Oct 07 2017 01:55 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

seawolf17 wrote: I feel like Radiohead is still too current to be a "Hall of Fame" act. 25 years is 25 years.

Gwreck Oct 07 2017 05:24 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

This is the thread where I point out that inducting 5 artists every year, no matter what, is not a good policy? YES Depeche Mode Radiohead NO, but I could see the argument Bon Jovi The Cars Dire Straits LL Cool J J. Geils Band Judas Priest The MC5 Rage Against the Machine NO Kate Bush Eurythmics The Meters Moody Blues Rufus featuring Chaka Khan Nina Simone Link Wray The Zombies CATEGORY CONFUSION Isn't there an "early influences" category that Sister Rosetta Tharpe should be recognized in?

Edgy MD Oct 07 2017 12:48 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Sure, and she could be, but I'm not particularly comfortable with the categorization game and the different processes, and her legacy goes beyond that. While lots of folks (Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Elvis, Aretha Franklin, The Staple Singers, The Doobie Brothers) brought the sound of the gospel church to rock 'n' roll, she brought rock 'n' roll to the gospel church. Hey, let's review our candidacies. In first place, with 10 votes, is the distinctive fingerstyle guitar playing of Mark Knopfler and his band, Dire Straits! [youtube:2wizbha1]g3X3rKtruSg[/youtube:2wizbha1]

Edgy MD Oct 08 2017 02:22 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

In second place with eight votes, the pride of Cambridge Massachusetts' Idler Coffeehouse ... The Cars! (Special extended Greg Hawkes sax outro!) [youtube]0oxJDZaLmDg[/youtube]

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2017 02:29 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

One day next week I'm startin' a Non-rockin' Nominees for Removal (RnR HOF 2018-19) thread.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2017 04:16 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

If you're like me, you won't understand two consecutive words of this introduction, so skip to 1:00 for the performance, and you'll see and hear Radiohead do things with guitars you didn't know could be done. Tied for second. [youtube:2jvm8nbo]6Syt06rYPSQ[/youtube:2jvm8nbo]

Edgy MD Oct 10 2017 02:20 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Tied fourth place, The Original Soul Sister, Sister Rosetta Tharpe: [youtube:zbzuoyms]l9bX5mzdihs[/youtube:zbzuoyms]

d'Kong76 Oct 10 2017 02:31 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I will never set foot in the RnR HOF. Ever. Or Never. The one that is the most assaulting use of English grammar.

Vic Sage Oct 10 2017 08:34 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I give these my vote: The Cars Dire Straits Eurythmics Moody Blues And I could be talked into any one of the following: The Zombies Depeche Mode J. Geils Band Judas Priest Radiohead My initial instinct is to give my 5th choice to either J.Geils or the Zombies. I'm going with the Zombies for now. But no way to any of these: Bon Jovi LL Cool J The MC5 Rage Against the Machine Kate Bush The Meters Rufus featuring Chaka Khan Sister Rosetta Tharpe Nina Simone Link Wray

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2017 02:41 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I give these my vote: The Cars Dire Straits Eurythmics Moody Blues And I could be talked into any one of the following: The Zombies Depeche Mode J. Geils Band Judas Priest Radiohead My initial instinct is to give my 5th choice to either J.Geils or the Zombies. I'm going with the Zombies for now. But no way to any of these: Bon Jovi LL Cool J The MC5 Rage Against the Machine Kate Bush The Meters Rufus featuring Chaka Khan Sister Rosetta Tharpe Nina Simone Link Wray The J. Geils Band is now on the edge of Vic's ballot, a bordeline HOF'er, maybe even an out-and-out full fledged deserving HOFer. There's been a big change of heart here, perhaps a major re-evaluation, because last year, the Geilers had as much chance as getting Vic's vote as Duffy Dyer had of getting into baseball's HOF. I like the J.Geils band. They were a fun, party band in the 70s-80s.... there have been a lot of fun party bands and, yes, they were another one. With exactly one #1 single ("Centerfold") and album (Freeze Frame) to their credit over their nearly 20 year history, and a hit comedy song ("Love Stinks"), they have virtually no musical significance whatsoever. They are no more a HOF-worthy band than Southside Johnny, or the Good Rats, both of whom i have enjoyed also. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24866&hilit=geils&start=25 Me, I don't get the HOF voting. It's all so nebulous. I get the Beatles or Chuck Berry, but when you gotta consider some group like the J. Geils Band or Dire Straits, I'm clueless. Big hits? They both had some. Longevity? Decades. Groundbreaking sound? Dunno. Unique sound? Dire more so than Geils, but you could say "unique sound" about just about any band, even an awful one. Mark Knopfler's musicianship? He's great but Magic Dick is a better harmonica player than Knopfler is a guitarist. Magic Dick might be, in fact, the best harmonica player in rock and roll history. Anyways, this isn't supposed to be an either/or choice. There's room for both. Me, I'll stay out of this discussion and just acknowledge the fun of it all. Here's a nice read on the J. Geils Band from Charles Pierce for Esquire , written earlier this year just after Geils' death. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/po ... -obituary/

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2017 03:00 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Vic gave a 'could be talked into' to Judas Priest. Vic Sage! I'm good until next year.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2017 04:15 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Also tied for fourth is our second Boston-based act, The J. Geils Band. [youtube:352cp366]4pWiwIEepxk[/youtube:352cp366]

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2017 01:55 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Now, wherever you turn, wherever you go If you get it wrong, at least you can know There's miles and miles to put it back together! [youtube]WtABg813nJk[/youtube]

sharpie Oct 11 2017 02:46 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Switched my Dire Straits vote to Link Wray. Dire Straits were a goodband that influenced no one. Link Wray, on the other hand, created a recognizable sound.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2017 03:37 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine? Sister Rosetta Thorpe were pretty obvious picks for me. Went with Dire Straits for the last one but will shed no tears if they have to wait longer. Nina Simone, Eurythmics and Link Wrau got consideration and now I'm wishing I had used that last pick for Link. None of the others are Haml worthy in my nook. LWFS/sharpie similarity score: SPOOKY MC5 (How are they NOT in yet?) Radiohead Rage Sister Rosetta Link Wray Any of you "HELL NAW" on Rage people who claim to be fans of innovative musicianship: have you ever, like, listened to a Rage song, or any Tom Morello guitar work?

TransMonk Oct 12 2017 02:08 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

The Cars Dire Straits Eurythmics LL Cool J Radiohead

Vic Sage Oct 12 2017 08:18 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

The J. Geils Band is now on the edge of Vic's ballot, a bordeline HOF'er, maybe even an out-and-out full fledged deserving HOFer. There's been a big change of heart here, perhaps a major re-evaluation, because last year, the Geilers had as much chance as getting Vic's vote as Duffy Dyer had of getting into baseball's HOF. Don't get so excited. I voted for the Zombies. I like JGeils, but i don't "like like" them. d'Kong76 wrote: Vic gave a 'could be talked into' to Judas Priest. Vic Sage! I'm good until next year. That one was just for you, Kevin. I never had any intention of voting for them, but i wanted to throw you metal heads a bone.

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2017 09:08 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Vic Sage wrote: I never had any intention of voting for them, but i wanted to throw you metal heads a bone. [fimg=250]http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/devilhorns.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Oct 12 2017 09:13 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Suddenly sneaking into a tie for fourth place is Moody Blues! Waiting years (decades!) to finally get considered, but despite the lobbying of their fans, never getting so much as a nomination! Now that they're on the ballot, they're actually sitting in the money! At least here at the Crane Pool they are! Moody Blues!! [youtube:32d3odlg]-wDHvmCVRxU[/youtube:32d3odlg]

Ashie62 Oct 13 2017 01:07 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I can't vote for Dire Straits as I see them as a one man band that didn't hang around terribly long.

Vic Sage Oct 13 2017 03:49 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Ashie62 wrote: I can't vote for Dire Straits as I see them as a one man band that didn't hang around terribly long. neither of those points is particularly true. While Knopfler was obviously its driving force, there were other musicians in the group that spanned all or most of the band's releases. They were a group from 77-95, during which they released 5 studio albums, 3 live albums and a "Best of", which is a duration and output that i think passes the Koufax test for sufficient length of greatness. Now if you don't particularly like them, that's another matter. But they were a hugely successful, critically acclaimed, chart-topping, award-winning band for nearly 20 years, with a distinctive sound, and they were on the cutting edge of digital recording (BROTHERS IN ARMS produced the 1st CD single, and the 1st CD album to sell a million copies), successfully used MTV's newly emerging format to globalize their appeal, and participated in many charitable events, including LIVE AID. I think they are 1st ballot HOFers.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:13 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Tied for sixth and just out of the money with six votes, despite a no-nay-never vote from Vic, are hard rock/hip hop crossover guyz Rage Against the Machine. [youtube:3nzhanfg]et2914h1E98[/youtube:3nzhanfg]

41Forever Oct 13 2017 05:59 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I love Dire Straits. I think "Making Movies" is darn close to album perfection. And if they had swapped out "Les Boys" with "Twisting by the Pool," which was recorded during those sessions, it would be perfect. "Romeo and Juliet" and "Skateaway" are incredible. But just about everything on there is great.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2017 08:01 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

That's a good suggestion on "Twisting" even though that also doesn't click in so neatly with the rest of MM's big epic dramas. Not that Les Boys does either. Mark "Lookit that faggot" Knopfler will never be accused of being too funny.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2017 08:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

That song remains one of histories great puzzlers. All these engaged, romantic, impressionistic, epic masterpieces, and then the album ends with this declarative, observational, 2/4 toss off. I don't want to call it a dud, but it sure sounds like a B-side to me. Making Movies is otherwise as desert island-y as it gets for me. I don't think of DS as a one-man band, but it's very interesting that, as much as Knopfler's guitar, the defining sound of that record comes from ringer Roy Bittan, whose piano is all over that record, leaving it one wailing sax solo short of being Born to Run, Part II. Is that borrowed authority? In seventh place, with five votes, comes synth goth mainstays Depeche Mode: [youtube]rj1XKnxrk8c[/youtube]

Edgy MD Nov 20 2017 05:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Oh when I whispered I thought I could love her She just said, "Baby! Don't even bother to try!" The J. Giels band, tied for seventh place. [youtube:1s3jwi4g]q4YhOCnxADw[/youtube:1s3jwi4g]

Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 02:35 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Your Hall of Fame Class of 2018: [list:d5d8m4rx][*:d5d8m4rx]Bon Jovi (The People's Choice),[/*:m:d5d8m4rx] [*:d5d8m4rx]The Cars,[/*:m:d5d8m4rx] [*:d5d8m4rx]Dire Straits,[/*:m:d5d8m4rx] [*:d5d8m4rx]The Moody Blues (beneficiaries of a decades-long lobbying campaign by their fans), and [/*:m:d5d8m4rx] [*:d5d8m4rx]Nina Simone[/*:m:d5d8m4rx] [*:d5d8m4rx]Sister Rosetta Tharpe, inducted as an "early influence," though she was on the main ballot and deserved to make it on the main ballot[/*:m:d5d8m4rx][/list:u:d5d8m4rx] The Cars have long been one of the more screwed acts out there, along with Sister Rosetta. I tend to think the HoF is trending in the right direction, notwithstanding BJ and Nina Simone, who stand as questionable bones thrown to populism on one hand and elitism on the other.

Vic Sage Dec 13 2017 02:54 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

i had CARS, DIRE STRAITS and MOODY BLUES on my ballot. But I'm surprised by Simone and Bon Jovi.

Mets Willets Point Dec 13 2017 03:10 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Edgy MD wrote: Your Hall of Fame Class of 2018: [list][*]Bon Jovi (The People's Choice),[/*:m] [*]The Cars,[/*:m] [*]Dire Straits,[/*:m] [*]The Moody Blues (beneficiaries of a decades-long lobbying campaign by their fans), and [/*:m] [*]Nina Simone[/*:m] [*]Sister Rosetta Tharpe, inducted as an "early influence," though she was on the main ballot and deserved to make it on the main ballot[/*:m][/list:u] The Cars have long been one of the more screwed acts out there, along with Sister Rosetta. I tend to think the HoF is trending in the right direction, notwithstanding BJ and Nina Simone, who stand as questionable bones thrown to populism on one hand and elitism on the other. If Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta were still alive that would make an interesting induction concert. As it is, it looks like a VH-1 "Remember the 80s" adult contemporary lineup.

41Forever Dec 13 2017 03:30 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

No Radiohead?

Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 03:38 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

They hopefully have plenty of time and plenty of music ahead of them. Hey, look, it's Thom Yorke communing with BB-8. [fimg=600:3hpz90uo]http://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/55/2017/12/Thom-Yorke-BB-8.jpg[/fimg:3hpz90uo]

Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 03:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Our ballots said: [list:va15awzz]Dire Straits: 12 votes The Cars: 11 votes Radiohead: 11 votes Moody Blues: 7 votes Sister Rosetta Tharpe: 7 votes[/list:u:va15awzz] So basically we were with the committee with the exception of supporting Radiohead (a strong candidate going forward) over Bon Jovi and Nina Simone. I think we were right in this regard, if only because we were smart enough to collectively dock Bon Jovi about a thousand points for "Back-Door Santa."

41Forever Dec 13 2017 04:02 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Edgy MD wrote: I think we were right in this regard, if only because we were smart enough to collectively dock Bon Jovi about a thousand points for "Back-Door Santa." It's so bad. Just listen to the opening keyboard riffs. I can't believe no one at the time said, "Hold on. Seriously?" [youtube]NNMbr5Xtx1A[/youtube]

smg58 Dec 13 2017 04:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Radiohead will get in sooner rather than later, but Dire Straits and The Moody Blues ought to have been inducted at least a decade ago, and it was criminal that they weren't even on the ballot until this year. While I'm not as big a fan of The Cars as some people on here, they belong as well. I've seen one video clip of Sister Rosetta Tharpe, which was all she needed to get my vote. Journey got in, and I like Bon Jovi more than I like Journey. Which is not to say that I like Bon Jovi. I was happy to see Kate Bush on the ballot. Hounds of Love is one of my all-time favorite albums. Now to get Midnight Oil on the ballot.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2017 04:55 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I did vote for Bon Jovi based on their body of work and influence in South Jersey and Philadelphia. I think we all did well. Take a bow.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 05:10 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

smg58 wrote: Now to get Midnight Oil on the ballot. I'm not necessarily going to jump on the Oil train (though I dig them and I agree with most of your post), I do think it's healthy and important to get bands who have succeeded more in non-American markets onto the ballot and voted on by non-American curators. Midnight Oil, Smiths, Crowded House, Suzi Quattro, Chris deBurgh, Nick Cave, Johnny Clegg, The Pixies and others are all acts whose legacy is debatable, but it's undeniable that their overseas success dwarfs their relatively brief runs as top-billed artists in the US, and the Hall doesn't seem to weigh that much. Yeah, that might mean a few head-scratching moments like "The Scorpions? Seriously?" but it'd be more fairly representative of R&R as a global phenomenon, and get some foreign tourist $$ into Cleveland.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2017 05:17 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I am all in on Suzi Quatro and the Smiths. Midnight Oil did zero for me. The Pixies and Nick Cave likely come up a little small although I do like both very much. Suzi has been around the world a few times since about 1970 fronting and backing a long list of A list talent. She wears it will. Any love for The Tom Robinson Band? Likely not enough but they set some things on fire for a few years. Brezhnev's having a party. Bring your own bottle of wine."

sharpie Dec 13 2017 06:28 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Of the bands Edgy mentioned I would heartily endorse Nick Cave - also puts on one of the best live shows around. I can also endorse The Smiths and wouldn't object to Crowded House. Billy Bragg was nominated one year and should be lumped in with that crowd. Midnight Oil? No. As far as the current inductees, I only voted for Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I was close on Dire Straits and don't object to the Cars or the Moody Blues though I don't care much for either band. Bon Jovi is pretty terrible but there are other terrible acts in there. The Radiohead snub is a surprise.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 06:53 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I'm not trying to endorse or un-endorse any of those guys. Just trying to advance a principle. My friend Martin wrote: Is Charlie Daniels in there? Because anyone who wins a fiddle contest with Satan deserves admission.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 04:22 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Charlie Daniels is in the conversation. Saw his show right when the devil song came out. He blew the roof off the barn. Good call.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 04:35 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Well, his tongue was planted firmly in his fiddle case, if you know what I mean.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 04:40 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Yes I do lol.

metirish Dec 14 2017 02:41 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Stuck on the Hutchinson this morning listening to The Spectrum, Christine Stone said Mark Knopfler has come out and said Dire Straits will not be playing the induction.

41Forever Dec 14 2017 02:46 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

metirish wrote: Stuck on the Hutchinson this morning listening to The Spectrum, Christine Stone said Mark Knopfler has come out and said Dire Straits will not be playing the induction. Boo! Hoping he changes his mind before then.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 02:47 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

John Illsley and Pick Withers have both been reported to be suffering from Industrial Disease. I don't know if co-founder David Knopfler, who played on the first two and 1/2 records, is on the list of inductees, but I always had the idea that he and Mark make Liam and Noel Gallagher look like BFFs.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 03:24 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Pick left the band early on for whatever. I played with Mark once at Alex's music on 48th st. way back when. He is gifted and David maybe not as much and that is the issue. Some similarity to the relationship of Ray and Dave Davies. Sibling issues.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 03:39 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I read once that if you put three or more brothers in a band: Jacksons, Cowsills, Wilsons, Osmonds, Timmins, and everything is peachy. It's all good with brothers and sisters, too: Carpenters, Donny & Marie. But with two brothers and no more, there's always a safe hanging over your head: Everlys, Davieses, Gallaghers, Knopflers, etc. Yeah, you got your Allmans and your Radioheads where there's no reported strife, but I bet there's shit we don't know. Devo had two sets of brothers, and they managed, I think, but their lineup was always changing, so who knows? I betcha it helps when neither brother is the frontman, like with AC/DC or VH. Radiohead qualifies there, too. I imagine bands with twins (Breeders, Proclaimers, Spandaus) do alright also. They got that, "We speak each other's unspoken language" thing going for them. Maybe marathon can enlighten us.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 03:46 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Agreed on 2 brothers. I have one and we spike up and down and are becoming closer with aging and loss. Girls? Don't know. Ashie1 had one sister and they were very close. Marathon. You're up.

41Forever Dec 14 2017 04:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Ashie62 wrote: Pick left the band early on for whatever. I played with Mark once at Alex's music on 48th st. way back when. He is gifted and David maybe not as much and that is the issue. No, no, no. You can't dangle an adventure like that our there and skate away with no details! Share that story!!!! That's incredible!

Mets Willets Point Dec 14 2017 04:34 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Fun fact I learned about the Moody Blues. The band had 3 top 10 hits in the United States: One in the 1960s - "Go Now" (#10 in 1964) One in the 1970s - "Nights in White Satin (#2 in 1972, even though this was a reissue of a song released in 1967) One in the 1980s - "Your Wildest Dreams (#1 in 1986) They're the only band to have to have all their top ten hits in different decades. Starkly different songs too - from British Invasion pop to psychedelic symphonic rock to adult contemporary synthpap. I suppose in baseball terms this makes them compilers.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 04:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

41Forever wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Pick left the band early on for whatever. I played with Mark once at Alex's music on 48th st. way back when. He is gifted and David maybe not as much and that is the issue. No, no, no. You can't dangle an adventure like that our there and skate away with no details! Share that story!!!! That's incredible! I once twisted by a pool, so there.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 07:38 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Edgy MD wrote: 41Forever wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Pick left the band early on for whatever. I played with Mark once at Alex's music on 48th st. way back when. He is gifted and David maybe not as much and that is the issue. No, no, no. You can't dangle an adventure like that our there and skate away with no details! Share that story!!!! That's incredible! I once twisted by a pool, so there. I went into Alex's music to look at guitars. I was the only customer and Alex was up front. Apparently Alex wants to go to lunch and a car pulls up. Knopfler gets out and comes in to cover the store. He is sitting at the desk, head down reading a comic book. It's Ashie and Mark Knopfler alone together. I pick a guitar , think abit, and decide to play Sultans of Swing. My version is passable he does not look up. I decide to leave. I hear as I'm walking in a brit accent "nice job kid. come here." He took a guitar and I played the song with him. He was kind regarding what I was unable to do. Learned a riff or three. I left in kinda a daze and went back to Joisey. The End.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2017 08:02 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Amazin'

41Forever Dec 14 2017 08:11 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Pick left the band early on for whatever. I played with Mark once at Alex's music on 48th st. way back when. He is gifted and David maybe not as much and that is the issue. No, no, no. You can't dangle an adventure like that our there and skate away with no details! Share that story!!!! That's incredible! I once twisted by a pool, so there. I went into Alex's music to look at guitars. I was the only customer and Alex was up front. Apparently Alex wants to go to lunch and a car pulls up. Knopfler gets out and comes in to cover the store. He is sitting at the desk, head down reading a comic book. It's Ashie and Mark Knopfler alone together. I pick a guitar , think abit, and decide to play Sultans of Swing. My version is passable he does not look up. I decide to leave. I hear as I'm walking in a brit accent "nice job kid. come here." He took a guitar and I played the song with him. He was kind regarding what I was unable to do. Learned a riff or three. I left in kinda a daze and went back to Joisey. The End. What a fantastic story!! We should have a brush with fame thread.

Frayed Knot Jan 08 2018 08:49 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Original MOODY BLUES member Ray Thomas won't be at the R&R-HoF ceremony as he died this week in England at age 76

sharpie Jan 08 2018 08:53 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Joins Joe Strummer (and maybe others) who died between the announcement and the induction. Per Mick Jones the Clash were going to do a one-time set for their induction.

Edgy MD Jan 08 2018 09:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Dave Clark Five singer Mike Smith died only 11 days before his induction ceremony. One narrative suggested it was at least a little extra tragic, because they were allegedly to be inducted the previous year, but Jann Wenner got it in his head that the time had come to begin inducting rap acts, and through lobbying or fiat, had them bumped in favor of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Dusty Springfield was inducted two weeks after her death, via a speech by Elton John, who had been a frequent visitor to her bedside in her final weeks. I guess, considering Jethro Tull and The Marshall Tucker Band and Men at Work remain non-members, Thomas will be the first flautist in the Hall. I mean, I'm sure there are folks who played the flute as a sideline in there (Chicago's Walter Parazaider, for one), but Thomas will be the first flute-first guy.

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2018 11:46 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

41Forever wrote: metirish wrote: Stuck on the Hutchinson this morning listening to The Spectrum, Christine Stone said Mark Knopfler has come out and said Dire Straits will not be playing the induction. Boo! Hoping he changes his mind before then. Not only did Dire Straits not play at last night's induction, but Knopfler (both Knopflers actually) didn't even show up. "I'll assure you it's a personal thing", said bassist John Illsley, "Let's just leave it at that." Not sure that clears things up much. Is MK undergoing personal problems or are there unresolved problems between him and some of his ex-bandmates? I suspect the latter but yaneverknow.

smg58 Apr 15 2018 01:12 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I think there might be something personal between Knopfler and the Hall. The fact that the Hall got nobody to induct them is an unfathomable insult. (I feel really bad for John Illsley, whose night was awkward on multiple fronts.) I know David Knopfler balked when they wouldn't pay for his plane ticket, which also shows a bizarre lack of professionalism on the Hall's part.

bmfc1 Apr 15 2018 05:33 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

May 5 on HBO.

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2018 07:28 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

smg58 wrote: I think there might be something personal between Knopfler and the Hall. The fact that the Hall got nobody to induct them is an unfathomable insult. (I feel really bad for John Illsley, whose night was awkward on multiple fronts.) I know David Knopfler balked when they wouldn't pay for his plane ticket, which also shows a bizarre lack of professionalism on the Hall's part. I suppose it's inevitable, but there seem to have been a bunch of quibbles between talent and the RRHoF which can't just be dismissed as dealing with diva rock stars.

Ashie62 Apr 15 2018 09:43 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

David Knopfler says the Hall would not pay for some of his expenses. Mark Knopfler says he "can't get his head around the idea" Illsley says Mark's objection to coming "is only know to Mark, although we have shared most everything over the years." Note to Dire Straits: If Dee Dee Ramone can get his azz to Cleveland, make it to the podium and "thank himself very very much" so can the lot of you.

Fman99 Apr 16 2018 01:53 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I won't pay it any mind until they put Jethro Tull in. Fuck all those dudes.

d'Kong76 Apr 16 2018 02:08 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

If it wasn't for these threads here I'd have no clue what's going on year to year with that place. Madonna's in, but countless others not. Right.

Frayed Knot Apr 16 2018 02:44 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Subjectivity plays such a huge role in this that I don't get all bent outta shape over the who's in/who's out debates. And the televised induction is, like the Grammys, essentially a performance show so if you like the acts being inducted it can be a good watch (providing they're all not too old by that point). It just that the whole nominating/voting process is so UN-transparent that it doesn't make much sense sometimes. I was fine with Laura Nyro, for instance, but she was initially known more as a writer as covers of her stuff by light and medium weight bands (Three Dog Night, Fifth Dimension, Streisand) usually got more airplay than her own edgier versions. She then quit the business at age 24 or so and drifted back in only occasionally after that prior to dying young. Warren Zevon, on the other hand, also started out as a writer, then had a huge breakout album of his own and went on to have a reasonably long career even, like Nyro, without a lot of radio support. Unlike Nyro his career was virtually uninterrupted once gaining traction (except for occasional rehab stints) where he amassed a much bigger catalog which continued until his death only slightly older than Nyro's. And yet, he's never been nominated. The gap between the two isn't explainable except possibly as a drive to get more women in but, if that's true, then it's the political mess that many accuse it of being. According to my brother, RUSH fans are convinced that Wenner was personally responsible for keeping that band out for so long until the support eventually grew too big for him to ignore. Don't know if that's true, but the fact that so many assume that kind of stuff goes on almost makes it true whether it actually is or not.

d'Kong76 Apr 16 2018 02:44 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

d'Kong76 wrote: If it wasn't for these threads here I'd have no clue what's going on year to year with that place. Madonna's in, but countless others not. Right. ABBA, Donna Summer and Tupac Shakur??

Frayed Knot Apr 16 2018 02:57 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

If it wasn't for these threads here I'd have no clue what's going on year to year with that place. Madonna's in, but countless others not. Right. ABBA, Donna Summer and Tupac Shakur?? As this year's nominee/no-show once wrote/sang: it ain't what they call rock and roll

Ashie62 Apr 16 2018 03:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Fman99 wrote: I won't pay it any mind until they put Jethro Tull in. Fuck all those dudes. Same here, Tull was my first concert at MSG on the "Songs fro the Wood" tour in 1977. The albums get funky with Heavy Horses and on, but Ian Anderson, Martin Barre, etal have my vote

Edgy MD Apr 16 2018 03:06 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I just don't know how the institution can maintain such terrible relations with the artists. I realize we're talking about cranky old farts, but hire a bunch of cute young women and me to be artist liaisons, and put together an artist relations committee.

Ashie62 Apr 16 2018 03:07 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

If it wasn't for these threads here I'd have no clue what's going on year to year with that place. Madonna's in, but countless others not. Right. ABBA, Donna Summer and Tupac Shakur?? As this year's nominee/no-show once wrote/sang: it ain't what they call rock and roll Pretty much so Mick Jagger joked once that Atlantic Records founder Ahmet Ertegun had the final say.

Edgy MD Apr 16 2018 03:18 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Before Ertegun's corpse was cold, Wenner had singlehandedly appointed himself chair.

Frayed Knot May 17 2018 01:31 AM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

One new addition to the R&R HoF this year (I just recently got around to watching/listening to this year’s induction ceremony) is the first set of 'HoF Singles', songs by bands/artists not necessarily in the HoF themselves which are deemed to be important or influential on their own. The initial six: ROCKET 88 — Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats — aka: Ike Turner’s Kings of Rhythm (1951) RUMBLE - Link Wray and his Ray Men (1958) THE TWIST — Chubby Checker (1960) LOUIE LOUIE — The Kingsmen (1963) WHITER SHADE OF PALE — Procol Harum (1967) BORN TO BE WILD — Steppenwolf (1968)

Edgy MD May 17 2018 01:10 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I like the idea that records should be so elevated. On the one hand, it reduces the pressure to induct somebody because of one unspeakably great record (Del Shannon? Don McLean? a-ha?), but on the other hand, it may be seen as closing the books on artists who are historically dismissed as one-hit wonders but really have a heck of a legacy that deserves real consideration.

Frayed Knot May 17 2018 07:58 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

Steve Van Zandt, who emcee'd that segment -- an especially good choice for the early R&B type records -- described RUMBLE as the only instrumental ever banned for its lyrical content.

sharpie May 17 2018 09:04 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I like the idea that records should be so elevated. On the one hand, it reduces the pressure to induct somebody because of one unspeakably great record (Del Shannon? Don McLean? a-ha?), but on the other hand, it may be seen as closing the books on artists who are historically dismissed as one-hit wonders but really have a heck of a legacy that deserves real consideration. Del Shannon is in. Don McLean and a-ha are gonna have to buy a ticket. I also like this idea of inducting singles and they are all worthwhile inductees. Chubby Checker has complained for years that he is not in the Hall, Link Wray was on the shortlist not long ago. Procol Harum and Steppenwolf had more than one hit. Really the Kingsmen are the only one-hit wonders of that group so good on them.

Edgy MD May 17 2018 09:30 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

That's kind of my point, though. Some acts get dismissed has OHWs even thought they weren't.

41Forever May 17 2018 10:35 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

It's an interesting concept. The Hall of Fame, as in music and baseball, honors an outstanding career. This seems like an opportunity to honor an outstanding accomplishment, like if the baseball Hall acknowledged Roger Maris' amazing season or Orel Hershiser's shutout inning streak. Can there be a place for "Frampton Comes Alive" but not Frampton? The challenge will be to continue separating the singles from the careers, or you'd end up with many, many Beatles and Kiss songs being honored and the artists with only one or two outstanding accomplishments overlooked again.

Frayed Knot May 17 2018 10:53 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

I don't see how this remotely taints guys as OHWs. I mean, sure, some dope(s) may misinterpret it that way but whatyagonnado? I'm sure Keith wouldn't want to give back his MVP for fear it might be seen as the lone accomplishment of his shy-of-HoF career and it certainly doesn't make him Joe Charboneau whose RoY the following season pretty much was the sum total of his.

seawolf17 May 18 2018 03:19 PM Re: Rockin' Nominees (RnR HOF 2018)

41Forever wrote: It's an interesting concept. The Hall of Fame, as in music and baseball, honors an outstanding career. This seems like an opportunity to honor an outstanding accomplishment, like if the baseball Hall acknowledged Roger Maris' amazing season or Orel Hershiser's shutout inning streak. Can there be a place for "Frampton Comes Alive" but not Frampton? The challenge will be to continue separating the singles from the careers, or you'd end up with many, many Beatles and Kiss songs being honored and the artists with only one or two outstanding accomplishments overlooked again. Well, I think HsOF do that, in the exhibits. You put Roger's 61st HR ball on your 1960s display or your home runs display or something like that, so visitors recognize and acknowledge it.