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NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2017 07:33 PM

The start of this one pretty much got ignored with the lengthy Yanqui game on Friday night (this one almost ended first despite starting 2-1/2 hours later). Strasburg carried a no-hitter into the 6th but got done in by 2 unearned runs while the Nats bats got no-nit from the 3rd thru 9th innings making the Cubs the first and so far only road team to win a game in this year's playoffs. Cubs 3 - Nats 0 Game 2 (5:30) will see a couple of lefties on the mound. Gio Gonzalez for the Nats as they continue to be cagey about the condition of Scherzer's hamstring (or ankle, or knee, or whatever). Jon Lester, not exactly pitching his best ball down the stretch, for the Cubs

Chad Ochoseis Oct 07 2017 10:32 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Looks like the Superfans are in attendance and one of them caught Rizzo's home run.

Fman99 Oct 08 2017 01:06 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Bummer of an ending today.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 08 2017 01:17 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Yeah. But on the bright side, the Cubs lost.

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2017 01:38 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Only good outcome in this series for me is they both don't advance.

Mets Willets Point Oct 09 2017 01:54 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

I'm rooting for the Nats. I really only dislike teams if they're wildly successful and win lots of championships or if they interfere with the Mets success, and the Nats haven't really done either considering that the Mets have basically shot themselves in the foot every season since the Nats got good in 2012 (excepting of course, the one season when the Mets easily defeated the Nats for the NL East title).

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2017 10:34 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

GAME 3 The Cubs first hit of the day, a one-out double in the 7th by Ben Zobrist, is Scherzer's last pitch of the game. He had also walked three and hit one Nats lead 1-0 thanks to a double error by LF Kyle Schwarber -- first he dropped Murph's fly ball, then he kicked it. Murph wound up on 3rd and Zimmerman followed with a two-out double.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2017 10:37 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

And the bullpen move fails as the Cubs tie the game!!

Edgy MD Oct 09 2017 11:00 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Scherzer should still be out there.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2017 11:12 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Dusty went out there and chatted for a while before making the switch, which at least made it look like he went out there without his mind made up and just didn't like what he heard. And now the Cubs have gone ahead on a blooper into no-man's land. Heading to the 9t, 2-1 Chicago

Edgy MD Oct 09 2017 11:13 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Man, Nats.

bmfc1 Oct 10 2017 01:52 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

One more and the Nationals are gone! Go Cubs Go and you can fly that stupid flag and let your yuppie, front running fans go nuts! Just one more win and all the idiot Nationals fans (redundant) can go under a rock until April. Do it Maddon!!!

Fman99 Oct 10 2017 04:06 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

I always base this kind of thing on how many obnoxious fans of a team I know, online and in real life. And I know enough boisterous Nats fans to make me hope they lose. I don't know any Cubs fans personally and the few friends I have online that are Cubs fans (I used to travel to Iowa for work) are decent enough.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2017 04:35 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Nat bats are hitting .121/.200/.231 across the three games so far and have scored 7 runs in total - 5 of them in one inning. Cubs are barely hitting better but they even survived making four errors in yesterday's game. And tonight (5:40) they put their season in the hands of Tanner Roark [13-11; 4.67]

bmfc1 Oct 10 2017 06:52 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Lots of rain in the forecast. A rainout would allow WSH to skip Roark and then go Scherzer, Gonzalez.

G-Fafif Oct 10 2017 07:43 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

The winner of this series will face the Dodgers, which isn't a scoop, but we didn't have a Dodgers-D'Backs thread, so it seemed worth acknowledging L.A. swept Arizona in their series.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2017 07:44 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Yay for Granderson, boo for Utley.

HahnSolo Oct 10 2017 08:05 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

bmfc1 wrote: Lots of rain in the forecast. A rainout would allow WSH to skip Roark and then go Scherzer, Gonzalez. Strasburg would potentially start game 4 on three days rest. Rainout or not, if this series goes five he's getting another start.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2017 10:36 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Yeah, I think bmfc meant [u:3tpx6v23]Strasburg[/u:3tpx6v23] & Gio rather than Scherzer who went just yesterday. And now the game HAS been postponed until Wednesday so we'll find out soon enough how they, or the Cubs for that matter, will adjust their rotations.

G-Fafif Oct 10 2017 11:10 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Mr. Baker says he's sticking with Roark, as Strasburg is under the crappy weather.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2017 11:41 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Meaning they'll have the Strasburg / Scherzer tag team combo if they get to Game Five, but of course first they'll have to survive Game Four and considering this team is Oh-for-forever in do or die games it would be pretty tough to go out in Round One for the fourth time in six years with your fourth starter on the mound.

bmfc1 Oct 11 2017 01:23 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, I think bmfc meant Strasburg & Gio rather than Scherzer who went just yesterday. And now the game HAS been postponed until Wednesday so we'll find out soon enough how they, or the Cubs for that matter, will adjust their rotations. Yes, that's what I meant. I despise all of them so much that I get their names confused.

bmfc1 Oct 11 2017 02:33 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Nationals dysfunction. So sad: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/s ... 582c256f9a

Ceetar Oct 11 2017 03:47 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Man, only the disfunctional Mets could screw up a game 4 starter situation this badly. Strasburg apparently IS starting now. Were the Nats shamed into starting him? Is he going to literally pass out on the mound? only time will tell.

G-Fafif Oct 11 2017 04:53 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Unlike most of the rest of the Washington, the Nationals are capable of changing their minds: Strasburg now reportedly will start Game Four.

G-Fafif Oct 11 2017 05:34 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Chicago Tribune update, including lots of David Ross bashing Strasburg. Former Cubs catcher David Ross, said Tuesday night on ESPN's "Baseball Tonight," the original decision by Strasburg not to start makes “the whole organization look bad.” Ross called Strasburg’s ailment “the sniffles" in downplaying his sickness. “For me, as a teammate and the guy that I rely on, your guy, your No. 1 starter, says ‘I’ve got the sniffles and I can’t go?’” Ross said. “I’m like ‘What? They asked you to go. We gave you $175 million dollars, if I’m the manager of that team and I ask you to take the ball… “There’s not one dude that doesn’t want the ball in the playoffs. You want to know why the Washington Nationals can’t get over the hump? That tells tells me a lot about him. I don’t know about that clubhouse, but that tells me a lot about him if these reports are true.” Ross suggested Strasburg is a bad teammate. "If I’m his teammate and I walk in the clubhouse the next day, I can’t make eye contact with this dude,” Ross said. “This is as bad as it gets for me as a teammate.”

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2017 08:36 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

So yesterday it wasn't raining at start time but they held off anyway. Today is IS raining in Chicago but they started right on time.

Ceetar Oct 11 2017 08:37 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Stras 1-2-3 on 16 pitches. let's see how long he can go before the drugs wear off.

bmfc1 Oct 11 2017 09:13 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals Edited 5 time(s), most recently on Oct 11 2017 11:25 PM

Lester gives up a hit so alleged genius Maddon takes out Lester for POS Carl Edwards who can't throw a strike. Maddon fucked up this inning by taking out Lester. What an idiot.

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2017 09:43 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Sir Werthnotsomuch needs to start swinging at inning-ending third strikes if these assclowns have a prayer. Second time was with bases juiced.

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2017 11:34 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Or not.

Frayed Knot Oct 11 2017 11:41 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Nats have now scored 12 runs in this series, 10 of them coming on three swings: Harper 2R HR, Zimmerman 3R HR, Taylor 4R HR

Mets Willets Point Oct 12 2017 01:56 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Whoever wins Game 5 will be my NL pennant favorite.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 02:58 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Contrary to Gerald Ford, their long Nationals nightmare is definitely NOT over. They've just been inventing ways to allow runs tonight. And the Cubs, while hitting better tonight than in most of this series, still aren't exactly ripping the cover off the ball. Ooof, I think HP ump Jerry Layne just got that four tip in his ears and in his eyes.

d'Kong76 Oct 13 2017 03:37 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

These things do drag on when you have minimal rooting interest. This game is gonna end like 12:30 at this pace.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:02 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Pushing four hours and it's the top of the eighth. I'm not sure rooting interest is the issue. This game would be a slog if it was the 1969 Mets against the 1986 Mets.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 04:08 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

One thing Manfred has said he wants to reign in is mound visits - and I'm all in favor of it. Commercial breaks between innings and during pitching changes are one thing, but at one point I timed it at a full two minutes between the final pitch to one batter and the first pitch to the next simply because the team in the field decided they needed a committee meeting before proceeding. That kind of stuff can't continue. And as I type a new mound meeting is going on.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 04:12 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

And now another mound conference.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:22 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Whatever they're conferring about isn't helping. Call out the fart police.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:23 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

And a challenge. That should accelerate matters.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 04:28 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

There's no way I would have overturned that challenge based on what I/we saw.

d'Kong76 Oct 13 2017 04:41 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

The dual-sync'd shot they showed later was pretty good.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:44 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Davis pulling out the knuckle curve like he's Pete Falcone.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:45 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

And KA-POW!!!

d'Kong76 Oct 13 2017 04:46 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Let's go Astros!!!

Edgy MD Oct 13 2017 04:51 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Mets might want to hire a new manager before the Nats fire Baker and beat New York to their man. Just kidding. The Nats are more likely to pull a bad manager off the market.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 05:00 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

For such a good team over the last 5-6 years, the Nats have had a horrid record of futility come October.

MFS62 Oct 13 2017 11:48 AM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Frayed Knot wrote: For such a good team over the last 5-6 years, the Nats have had a horrid record of futility come October. That really brings a tear to my eye. (S/M = 96) LAter

Fman99 Oct 13 2017 01:23 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Once in a while I work a split shift, I go home after lunch, and nap, and then return to work and do some trainings for our off shift engineers, and work a 8 PM-midnight shift, and yesterday happened to be one of those days. So I got to come home and watch the 9th inning and see the Nats season end. And I'm 100% cool with that. I will root for the Cubs to beat the Dodgers as well. Because of Face Buttley. Fuck that guy.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 01:48 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

So it's safe to say that the Max Scherzer experiment didn't quite work out last night. In fairness to him he got more than a bit unlucky, but the bottom line is four runs/two earned in just one inning and he gets charged with the big 'L' And all of the damage came after he retired the first two guys on just six pitches total. Then the roof caved in: - infield single - bloop single - double (that one was at least hit semi-hard) - 2 Runs - IW - K, but passed ball and then a throwing error allows a run to score and runners wind up on 2nd & 3rd - 1 Run - Reach on catcher's interference * - HBP - 1 Run - and finally the 3rd out on a pop-up * speaking of catcher's interference, Ellsbury got on again this way in that Game 5, this coming off a season when he passed Pete Rose for the all-time lead (in about half the plate appearances). I'd like to know how often he just happens to do that when he has two strikes on him. I'm betting it's a lot more common than with no or one strike which would add credence to the idea that there's a degree of intent there. And while there's something to be said for getting on base any way you can, this 'method' is one that whacks the catcher's hand with a club and I'd be tempted to stick one in his ribs or even 'buzz his tower' the next time up if I even thought he was doing that intentionally.

Ceetar Oct 13 2017 02:10 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

[url]https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/event_finder.cgi?request=1&year=2007&year_to=2017&id=ellsbja01&divisory=1&from=button&type=b&event=17 He's never had a CI with no strikes. 14 behind in the count, 9 even, 8 ahead. 5/31 of the times his team has had more than a one run lead. 19 of the times his team wasn't winning. It's most often on the 4th pitch. Only 7 have come before that. It's not conclusive in my eyes, but certainly suggestive.

Mets Willets Point Oct 13 2017 02:14 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Frayed Knot wrote: For such a good team over the last 5-6 years, the Nats have had a horrid record of futility come October. This is why I wanted them to win this year, so that I might actually be able to muster up some feeling of hate for them instead of pity.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2017 03:06 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Ceetar wrote: [url]https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/event_finder.cgi?request=1&year=2007&year_to=2017&id=ellsbja01&divisory=1&from=button&type=b&event=17 It's not conclusive in my eyes, but certainly suggestive. That 24 of the 31 came with two strikes makes is more than a bit suggestive IMO The usual excuse of 'well, he has a long swing' doesn't explain why it suddenly gets longer when you would normally want it to get shorter. It's also occurring much more often as his career goes on. I'm surprised more isn't being made of this by MFY opponents.

bmfc1 Oct 13 2017 03:53 PM Re: NLDS IST - Cubs vs Nationals

Mets Willets Point wrote: For such a good team over the last 5-6 years, the Nats have had a horrid record of futility come October. This is why I wanted them to win this year, so that I might actually be able to muster up some feeling of hate for them instead of pity. No reason to pity them from my perspective. Rizzo said "we've won 4 division championship, we've played tough series" so that's apparently what he's going for. Their fans will be fine, they barely care. One told me that he's glad he can save money on playoff tickets. It was a bizarre, tough loss but the hell with them. They have the division championship in 2018 all but locked up already and that's a nice way to go into the off-season. How bizarre was it? Unprecedented, per from Barry Svrluga about the top of the 5th: Four straight Cubs reached base in unconventional ways, some known only to true baseball seam heads — an intentional walk, a strikeout with a passed ball (about which there was some controversy), catcher interference and a hit batsman. The website baseball-reference.com has 2.73 million half-innings in its database. None of them contain those four events — let alone from four consecutive hitters.