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Up Goes Frazier

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2017 01:39 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 19 2017 01:45 PM

I hat to openly advocate for any guy with his amount of Yankeetaint-- childhood fandom, etc.-- but... is this the answer for us at third? Buoyed by a career-high walk rate, he put up 3.4 fWAR even in a year where his BA slumped to .213. And even though he may not be able to expect THIS much free-passing out of the guy, he should be able to put up a 9-10% rate, along with solid defense and an offensive profile that looks a little like righty Jay Bruce: OBP in the .320-330 range, BOP in the 25-30 HR range, enough Ks to fill a Kardashian family bible. The glove is good, by metric and eye-test, and he has that gamer thing that the old folk go gaga for. He cameos at first, and is less frightful there than, say, lefty Jay Bruce. He's a good fit in the Bronx, you say? Well, yeah... for a year, maybe. But with Gleyber Torres and Miggy Andujar doing their final rounds in the high minors, the Yanks aren't likely to give him the multi-year deal that no-longer-kids crave. We could go for three, at least, I'd imagine... if we were wont to go his way at all. He'll be 32. He's been pretty damn reliable (3-5 WAR/600 PAs over each of the last 5, save this one, thanks only to Girardi-juggling). He'll be super-eager to make up rallying cheers and novelty hand gestures. He'll be cheaper than Moustakas. He'll be 32. What say you, congregation? What if Todd was one of us?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 19 2017 01:44 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

It doesn't sound like the worst move they can make. I'm guessing it would take a four-year deal, which would have him with the Mets through the age of 35.

MFS62 Oct 19 2017 02:21 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

And if they could pay at least part of his contract because Wright retires, that would be a win-win. Plus, he's got that local guy thing going for him (Toms River, NJ). I'd be for that. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 19 2017 02:30 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Frazier could obviously help in an area of high uncertainty but I don't see any "win" should Wright retire. Does anyone really root for how they pay for a guy? If Wright doesn't retire is that a "loss"? Goodness. Have 'em both if you like.

HahnSolo Oct 19 2017 02:37 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Basing it on nothing more than "I just know"...I just know he'll either stink or get hurt if the Mets sign him. I'm in full "negative Nelly" Mets fan mode today.

d'Kong76 Oct 19 2017 02:39 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

I think we'd quickly regret four years of Frazier at third.

Ceetar Oct 19 2017 02:47 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Frazier is..not great.. He had that one year where he was real good and it seems to have colored (mine included) opinions of him. But whenever I look him up.. subpar OBP, though he's one of the guys that got better and lost power in a juiced ball era, dunno how to feel about that either. (A couple of his doubles went for home runs but he hit fewer balls hard) Good defense though.

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2017 02:55 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

MFS62 wrote: And if they could pay at least part of his contract because Wright retires, that would be a win-win. Plus, he's got that local guy thing going for him (Toms River, NJ). I'd be for that. [?]So basically, David Wright is going to say to the Mets: 'Y'know that money you owe me, I'd much rather you give it to Todd Frazier instead.'[/?]

MFS62 Oct 19 2017 03:00 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Frayed Knot wrote: And if they could pay at least part of his contract because Wright retires, that would be a win-win. Plus, he's got that local guy thing going for him (Toms River, NJ). I'd be for that. [?]So basically, David Wright is going to say to the Mets: 'Y'know that money you owe me, I'd much rather you give it to Todd Frazier instead.'[/?] No. Two independent events. But the first would make the second easier on the overall team budget and allow spending on other needs. Yes, I know insurance would kick in at some point. That's why I said "at least part". But it would also free up the roster spot come draft time.(As detailed in other threads) And, if he retires, it would address the potential arguments of "why sign him? David could still come back." But if Flores could play a full (healthy) season and develop his defense at third, that would be even better. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2017 03:28 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

But this has come up in numerous threads over the last year and I've yet to hear a decent answer to it: WHY IS DAVID WRIGHT GOING TO RETIRE AND GIVE UP ALL THAT MONEY????? To do favors to the Wilpons? So they can better sign FAs for a team that he's not going to be on? Advocate for Frazier or against, but please set aside this notion that DW is going to voluntarily step away for him because his chief concern is that the Mets owners don't have a cash flow problem when trying to cover 3rd base over the next couple years.

MFS62 Oct 19 2017 03:36 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Answer: He wouldn't. Later

Edgy MD Oct 19 2017 03:38 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Yeah, if the problem with our (myriad) in-house solutions is a lack of OBP, I don't think Fray-Fray is particularly more appealing than Moustakas. If we're looking to add OBP, consider second base, or perhaps outfield, and consider the trade market rather than limit ourselves to the free agent market. (Though I McHate trades.) Or, if they want to go big, build a package around Smitty to go get Votto, but I've done enough damage to that horse.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 19 2017 03:45 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Do the Mets have a whole lot of trading depth? Especially if Rosario is still considered untouchable, as I imagine he is? There would be interest in deGrom, I'm sure, but the Mets shouldn't trade him. That leaves who? Flores, I guess. Lagares, maybe. Smith. Gsellman or Lugo, maybe? Matz's trade value is likely down, as is, probably Wheeler's. Cespedes has a no-trade. Conforto is coming off a serious injury. The farm system is (I'm told) low on blue-chip prospects. To get an impact player, I think you'd have to combine a number of the above. Maybe Lagares, Flores, Gsellman, and one of the recently acquired relievers? I'm sure there's a lot of interest in Paul Sewald now that he's the Schaefer Mets Reliever of the Year.

Edgy MD Oct 19 2017 03:50 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

The Mets have plenty to trade, if that's what they want to do. Don't you worry your big orange head.

bmfc1 Oct 19 2017 03:52 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

I approve. He also plays 1B which might be helpful if/when David Wright returns and/or Dom Smith isn't as hoped. He's really annoying as a MFY but he'd be endearing and a leader as Met.

41Forever Oct 19 2017 04:18 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Frayed Knot wrote: But this has come up in numerous threads over the last year and I've yet to hear a decent answer to it: WHY IS DAVID WRIGHT GOING TO RETIRE AND GIVE UP ALL THAT MONEY????? To do favors to the Wilpons? So they can better sign FAs for a team that he's not going to be on? Advocate for Frazier or against, but please set aside this notion that DW is going to voluntarily step away for him because his chief concern is that the Mets owners don't have a cash flow problem when trying to cover 3rd base over the next couple years. He won't, and he shouldn't. Both sides know the risks when they sign a long-term contract. A player could get injured, or, from the player's perspective, the free agent market could go bonkers and he's suddenly underpaid. I do think the Mets are in a tough spot. To go out and get a long-term solution at third is to signal that Wright is not coming back. That might be the realistic, but a tough spot. You put Cabrera over there, and you signal that he's keeping the spot warm for the Captain. You sign someone like Frazier to a longer deal, and you are saying you are planning for a new number to hang in the rafters sooner than you anticipated. That said, I don't know enough about Frazier's fielding, and whether he has spent a lot of time, or any, at first. He may be an upgrade, but not an impact player. But with Cespedes, Conforto, deGrom and Syndergaard -- and potentially Rosario -- do we need more impact players, or do we just need to surround them better?

Edgy MD Oct 19 2017 05:27 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

One way out of that spot is to celebrate that you have a several internal options at third if and when Wright can't answer the bell, and recruit elsewherez.

Mets Willets Point Oct 19 2017 05:38 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Frayed Knot wrote: But this has come up in numerous threads over the last year and I've yet to hear a decent answer to it: WHY IS DAVID WRIGHT GOING TO RETIRE AND GIVE UP ALL THAT MONEY????? To do favors to the Wilpons? So they can better sign FAs for a team that he's not going to be on? Advocate for Frazier or against, but please set aside this notion that DW is going to voluntarily step away for him because his chief concern is that the Mets owners don't have a cash flow problem when trying to cover 3rd base over the next couple years. Because he's going to be manager, duh.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2017 06:14 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Edgy MD wrote: One way out of that spot is to celebrate that you have a several internal options at third if and when Wright can't answer the bell, and recruit elsewherez. How's that been working for us?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 19 2017 06:23 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

It seems like we reached the "can't answer the bell" point a while ago. I want them to approach third base as if David Wright will never play again. If the answer is Mike Mousakis (I'll learn to spell his name if they get him) or Todd Frazier, or even if it turns out to be Asdrubal Cabrera or Wilmer Flores, they should look for a permanent solution. And then if David comes back strong or healthy, then you figure out the next step.

Edgy MD Oct 19 2017 06:52 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy MD wrote: One way out of that spot is to celebrate that you have a several internal options at third if and when Wright can't answer the bell, and recruit elsewherez. How's that been working for us? Third is not the particularly the team's problem. And they have a lot of guys.

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2017 07:13 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

WHY IS DAVID WRIGHT GOING TO RETIRE AND GIVE UP ALL THAT MONEY????? Answer: He wouldn't . He won't, and he shouldn't. Then can we please stop bringing up these scenarios where Wright willingly retires because, after all, that's the path which will cost him the most money, and also the one where the insurance company, now relieved of their obligation to pay Wright's salary, continues to do so anyway because, after all, that's the choice which will cost them the most money, all because these entities are apparently dead set on choosing the path based on which one saves the Wilpons the most money? Because he's going to be manager, duh. Oooooh, I forgot about that one!!

Ashie62 Oct 19 2017 08:08 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier

Mets could use a Scarlet Knight like Frazier at 3B while David becomes manager.

Edgy MD Oct 19 2017 08:14 PM Re: Up Goes Frazier