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bmfc1
Oct 22 2017 05:43 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2017 07:53 PM

[tweet:9dwr4sg2]https://twitter.com/MarcCarig/status/922155924617416705[/tweet:9dwr4sg2]

http://m.mlb.com/cle/roster/coach/20906 ... y-callaway

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2017 05:53 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

Who's the leader of the club
That used to play at Shea?
M-I-C K-E-Y
C-A-ALLO-WAY!

Frayed Knot
Oct 22 2017 06:35 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

Well count me as surprised, but then again I had no concept of Mickey Callaway until this past week.
Have zero memory of him as a player (or a playa) either.


Michael Christopher Callaway; 42 y/o from Memphis, Tennessee and the University of Mississippi
16th round draft pick out of HS by the Giants and later 7th round by Tampa Bay out of college in 1996
40 games as a ML'er -- 20 as a starter/20 in relief -- totaling 130 IP spread over parts of 5 seasons with TBR, ANA, and TEX with a fairly unsightly career ERA & WHIP
Also pitched 3 seasons in Korea and was dogging it out in an independent league in Laredo, Texas as recently as 2008


They've got a two day window until the WS starts up again so I guess we'll hear something official on Monday.



oe: (per mlb.com) -- Mickey Callaway will become the Mets' new manager, according to multiple reports on Sunday.
A three-year deal is expected to be finalized on Sunday and could be announced on Monday.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2017 06:53 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

Get to know Mickey Callaway:

[youtube:1sgh5l05]emzJS7J-0PA[/youtube:1sgh5l05] [youtube:1sgh5l05]pnhgSoQz2vs[/youtube:1sgh5l05]

G-Fafif
Oct 22 2017 06:58 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

All the way with Callaway!

MFS62
Oct 22 2017 07:00 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2017 07:16 PM

Joe Schultz.
Does he have any managerial experience at any level?

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2017 07:02 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

In that second YouTube video that I posted above, he reveals that he was named after Mickey Mantle and his brother was named after Casey Stengel.

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2017 07:18 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

A hire so fine it blows my mind.

Can't understand the hire? What a pity

MFS62
Oct 22 2017 07:35 PM
Re: Who will manage the Mets? (split from Terry Hot Seat)

HahnSolo wrote:
A hire so fine it blows my mind.

Why are you so in favor of it?
Later

Valadius
Oct 22 2017 07:46 PM
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I... don't know who this is. All I know is it's not Joe McEwing.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2017 07:50 PM
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Callaway has never appeared against the Mets, and in fact, seems have never appeared against any National League team, with the loan exception of his MLB debut, in which he faced Montreal on an interleague road trip.

That also appears to have been his only time at the plate as a major- or minor-leaguer, and he ended up going 2-3 with an RBI against Dustin Hermanson. So, while I fear he may have a tough learning curve coming over to the nine-man league, a .667 batting average is a nice career mark.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxe ... 6120.shtml

41Forever
Oct 22 2017 07:55 PM
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I'd say that if our strength is starting pitching, and our main beef with the previous manager was his misuse of bullpen arms, a successful pitching coach could be a good guy.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2017 08:49 PM
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Mickey becomes only the third former pitcher to become a Mets manager, and the first who started as much as he relieved.

He breaks a string of five straight former infielders to manager the team, going back 21 seasons!

Starting Pitchers
Mickey Callaway (2018–????)

Relief Pitchers
George Bamberger (1982–1983)
Dallas Green (1993–1996)

Catchers
Wes Westrum (1965–1967)
Yogi Berra (1972–1975)
Joe Torre (1977–1981)
Jeff Torborg (1992–1993)

Infielders
Salty Parker (1967)
Gil Hodges (1968–1971)
Roy McMillan (1975)
Davey Johnson (1984–1990)
Bud Harrelson (1990–1991)
Mike Cubbage (1991)
Bobby Valentine (1996–2002)
Art Howe (2003–2004)
Willie Randolph (2005–2008)
Jerry Manuel (2008–2010)
Terry Collins (2011–2017)

Outfielders
Casey Stengel (1962–1965)
Joe Frazier (1976–1977)
Frank Howard (1983)

41Forever
Oct 22 2017 08:52 PM
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Looking at that list, not many Mets managers who became ex-Mets managers did additional managing. Torre, Davey and Bobby V -- and I think that's it.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2017 09:06 PM
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Westrum would go on to manage the Giants in the mid-seventies. And Torborg had a few seasons with the Marlins, 2002-2003.

Yogi would have an infamous second tenure with the Yankees in the mid-eighties.

41Forever
Oct 22 2017 09:35 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Westrum would go on to manage the Giants in the mid-seventies. And Torborg had a few seasons with the Marlins, 2002-2003.

Yogi would have an infamous second tenure with the Yankees in the mid-eighties.


Oh man, how could I forget Yogi's infamous "Yogi's Back" cover of SI. Good calls.

Ashie62
Oct 22 2017 09:38 PM
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I'd think Mickey learned alot from Francona.

Guy was a helluva pitching coach, ask Trevor Bauer, and maybe MC can sprinkle the staff with pixie dust.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2017 09:53 PM
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Even though I had never heard of this guy, like, three days ago, I'm pleased with this hire. The buzz is that he's smart, and that's a trait that I want. I like that he's young. And he also seems personally likeable.

[youtube:dgerdbom]pnhgSoQz2vs[/youtube:dgerdbom]

I also liked his answer to the question posed to him at around the 6th minute of this video. Nothing earth-shaking, but it shows some of his thought process, I think in a good way.

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2017 10:24 PM
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MFS62 wrote:
HahnSolo wrote:
A hire so fine it blows my mind.

Why are you so in favor of it?
Later


I didn't think I'd get a Toni Basil joke past anybody here.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2017 10:26 PM
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I like that he knows what it's like to win 22 in a row.

Gwreck
Oct 22 2017 11:37 PM
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Former pitchers as managers seems like a rare occurrence. Currently, there's Bud Black; and Bryan Price with the Reds...and I think that's it. (John Farrell was a pitcher too).

G-Fafif
Oct 22 2017 11:50 PM
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I'm stoked that the choice was Callaway. I would have been stoked had it been any of the other finalists. To go stokeless would be needlessly cynical considering most of the others hadn't proven they couldn't manage at the major league level and the one guy who had some experience hadn't definitively disqualified himself from another chance.

Bring the man on and let him do his thing. We'll figure out whether it was a great choice in a couple of hundred games.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 23 2017 12:10 AM
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/an ... -baseball/

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 12:44 AM
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Geez... 42 years old. He's the first Mets manager to be younger than me, and he's younger than me by twelve years! Also the first Mets manager who is younger than the franchise itself.

metirish
Oct 23 2017 01:32 AM
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Like many others never heard of him until recently

TheOldMole
Oct 23 2017 02:38 AM
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Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2017 02:43 AM
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[fimg=400:ii0kpoly]http://harfordhappenings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cab-calloway-havre-de-grace.jpg[/fimg:ii0kpoly]

For a nickname we'll call him Minnie the Moocher

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 23 2017 08:09 AM
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He and Yo might have a lot to talk about?



I'm optimistic. Because what's the other option?

Mex17
Oct 23 2017 12:30 PM
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Do you think that there will be a presser today or do MLB rules prevent that until after the World Series?

Mex17
Oct 23 2017 12:40 PM
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The guy ascended quickly as a coach after deciding to retire as a player, didn't he?

There is a life lesson in there somewhere. Sometimes you toil and toil doing what you love but the thing isn't quite loving you back. You flame out in MLB and then go to Asia for five years because you love it so much. Then, you make an adjustment, and find yourself in the career path that you were meant to be.

metirish
Oct 23 2017 01:11 PM
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Looking forward to seeing is he can handle NYC.....ugh, fucking Beat writers are so into themselves..

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 01:20 PM
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Mex17 wrote:
Do you think that there will be a presser today or do MLB rules prevent that until after the World Series?

They'll probably make an announcement today, I think. These things are frequently done between rounds of the playoffs.

Centerfield
Oct 23 2017 01:23 PM
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Never heard of the guy, but I like the stuff I'm reading. Smart, young, personable. Willing to listen to analytics. Not full of himself.

Also, I don't think Cory Kluber and Trevor Bauer are as devastating as some of the other elite pitchers. So getting that kind of performance out of them is something. Hopefully he can bring some of that success here.

More than anything I'm glad this is done and over. Let's work on getting some players.

Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2017 01:24 PM
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metirish wrote:
Looking forward to seeing is he can handle NYC.....ugh, fucking Beat writers are so into themselves..


I've always been under the impression that the NYC angle is overblown when it comes to players and, yeah, a lot of the times it's brought up it's for the purpose of pumping up the ego of those saying
it (fans as well as writers).
But the field manager needs to be the spokesman for the team on a daily basis and going from a pitching coach in Cleveland to the big chair in New York is a YUGE difference. It's not the only part of
the job but it's big part of it and how he handles it over the long haul will go a long way towards how he'll be viewed overall.

sharpie
Oct 23 2017 01:28 PM
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I believe I was the only one who voted for him in the manager poll. Mickey's my man.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 01:31 PM
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I voted for Cora, but I'm quite pleased with Mickey. I hope he doubles Terry's tenure and manages the Mets for 14 years. Or more.

(Of course, depending on how things go, I may change my mind about that long before 14 years have elapsed.)

Mets Willets Point
Oct 23 2017 02:55 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Geez... 42 years old. He's the first Mets manager to be younger than me, and he's younger than me by twelve years! Also the first Mets manager who is younger than the franchise itself.


Wow, also younger than me.

TheOldMole
Oct 23 2017 03:02 PM
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STFU, all of you. Terry is younger than me.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 03:05 PM
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Well, we're still Young Moles. Or Youngish Moles.

Vic Sage
Oct 23 2017 03:25 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Never heard of the guy, but I like the stuff I'm reading. Smart, young, personable. Willing to listen to analytics. Not full of himself.
Also, I don't think Cory Kluber and Trevor Bauer are as devastating as some of the other elite pitchers. So getting that kind of performance out of them is something. Hopefully he can bring some of that success here.
More than anything I'm glad this is done and over. Let's work on getting some players.


This.

Plus Callaway gets bonus points for not being Manny Acta.

TheOldMole
Oct 23 2017 03:27 PM
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Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2017 03:37 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Plus Callaway gets bonus points for not being Manny Acta.


And supposedly Acta was the favorite of Jeff's so maybe this can be seen as a sign that he's not running as roughshod over things as some of the worst fears suspect.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 03:51 PM
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I suppose he could still be a candidate for bench coach/consigliere.

Mex17
Oct 23 2017 04:27 PM
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Mex17 wrote:
Do you think that there will be a presser today or do MLB rules prevent that until after the World Series?


Set your watches for 4:00.

Mets Willets Point
Oct 23 2017 04:33 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
[fimg=400]http://harfordhappenings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cab-calloway-havre-de-grace.jpg[/fimg]

For a nickname we'll call him Minnie the Moocher


The ballpark DJ needs to play this when he visits the mound.

Ceetar
Oct 23 2017 06:33 PM
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#36 should you be interested.

d'Kong76
Oct 23 2017 06:37 PM
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Kooz!

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:11 PM
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Dude killing it in the press conference. Lots of thanks!

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:13 PM
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Telling stories of Casey Stengle, his brother's namesake.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:15 PM
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He had a "great, great" phone call with David Wright. He's going to be incredible, incredible. We'll be tired of winning.

No seriously, he says, "We're going to care more about the players than anyone ever has before." "Value their work, value they way they collaborate, value their dedication and commitment."

Not going to measure their success in numbers. Good! Bad! I dunno!

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:19 PM
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Steve Gelbs: "Sandy, you mentioned two rounds of interviews. Why did you bag that after meeting Mickey?" (paraphrase)

Sandy: "Intellectual. Consistency between his approach and our approach. Emotionally, we came out of the meeting excited. Visceral. That was consistent throughout the group."

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:21 PM
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Lewin: "When did you think about managing."

Mickey: "When I was rehabbing my arm and took over a D3 school in Laredo, TX. Went back to playing but was still thinking about coaching. I had a plan—pitching coach, then manager, and someday, I'd like to be a GM." (paraphrase)

Pete McCarthy: "Why this team, this group."

Mickey: "Greatest city in the world. Also liked the sound of what Sandy, J.P., and Jeff were saying. We were in alignment. The pitching can be some of the greatest guys on the planet. The position players also in that category." (paraphrase)

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:22 PM
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Bruce Beck: "Balance being liked and respected?"

Mickey: "You don't care about being liked. You care about them. You love and respect them. Tons of tons of communication." (sounded like Terry!)

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 08:23 PM
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If he wants to sound like Terry, he'll use the word "energy" a lot.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:24 PM
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Daily News: (couldn't hear) first thing you'll do.

Mickey: "Reach out to players. We're getting to work right away."

Cotinho: "What has your past made you into?"

Mickey: "Tito shows what it takes to be a really good manager. Preparation. Cares about everyone."

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 08:26 PM
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I wonder... how often does a rookie manager get a three-year contract? It seems like it would be a pretty rare thing.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 08:27 PM
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Ackert: "Pitching coach? How will that be handled?"

Sandy: "We'll put together a list. Already have partial one. We will work collaboratively. Yeah, he's a former pitching coach and that's important. Mickey will be focused on entire roster. So a pitching coach is important. Want an expert."

Tom Aaron: "Biggest challenge?"

Mickey: "Need to sit down and figure out the things that need to be addressed."

Kevin Maher/News 12: "Key to staying healthy?"

Mickey: "Treating folks as individuals. Everyone needs to know their individual plan."

Concludes formal portion.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 23 2017 08:43 PM
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Boy does everyone know how to talk, talk, talk and talk without saying a single thing of substance.

Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2017 08:48 PM
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Well I don't think specifics such as, "We've decided we're going to bat Cespedes cleanup", is the type of thing that typically gets announced at these things.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 23 2017 08:52 PM
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Me neither.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2017 08:54 PM
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Centerfield
Oct 23 2017 09:54 PM
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This is clearly my imagination but Jeff definitely looks like someone who didn't get his guy.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2017 10:15 PM
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Interesting that Sandy is the only one who shaved for the occasion.

Also notable that Fred and Sol are absent, though they were on the scene when Terry got introduced back in 2010.

d'Kong76
Oct 23 2017 10:38 PM
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Sol was there, Fred was napping off his 3-hour lunch with Mickey.

Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2017 11:38 PM
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I thought I caught a brief glimpse of Fred - and if he's staying more in the background these days then that's a good thing too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 23 2017 11:47 PM
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I felt like he came off great. The columnists at this hour when TC got hired were speculating on how soon it would be before the players all turned on him.

They'll turn on this guy too, surely, but they'll be blowing him tomorrow.

The Sandy part "personal excellence" "outstanding acheivement in the field of excellence" I felt was kinda bullshit. And though I'm sure they liked him a lot, I would suspect they felt like it was okay to drop the second round of interviews because they were worried some other club would grab him if they didn't.

Approve!

MFS62
Oct 24 2017 01:18 AM
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TheOldMole wrote:
STFU, all of you. Terry is younger than me.

Thanks, Mole.
:)

Later

seawolf17
Oct 24 2017 01:33 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Not going to measure their success in numbers. Good! Bad! I dunno!

"For example... wins. As a pitching coach, I tell my guys, wins are crap. It's about feelings now. We're going to lead the league in feelings."

d'Kong76
Oct 24 2017 02:03 AM
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After hitting rock bottom, thought today's event was refreshingly optimistic.
Really only heard, read or experienced one negative vibe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 24 2017 05:39 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
This is clearly my imagination but Jeff definitely looks like someone who didn't get his guy.


When does Jeff EVER look like someone who got his guy? He's got Resting Fart Face.

G-Fafif
Oct 24 2017 07:09 AM
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Who wouldn't be excited after hiring a new Mets manager?

• Joe Frazier “has shown us over the years he can handle men,” according to Joe McDonald in 1975. “He has shown us he can win.”

• George Bamberger “has a deep, abiding knowledge about baseball,” per Frank Cashen in 1981 “and he can communicate it simply and directly. He has an easy but firm manner. He knows what he’s doing.”

• Among myriad qualities considered critical to managing the Mets, Jeff Torborg “knew how to win,” Al Harazin testified in 1991.

• “I truly believe he is exactly the type of person and personality to lead this organization right now” was Steve Phillps’s 2002 assessment of Art Howe. (Add Fred Wilpon’s incandescent “lit up a room” reference to taste.)

Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2017 12:29 AM
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Background of Callaway

Ceetar
Oct 26 2017 01:45 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
After hitting rock bottom, thought today's event was refreshingly optimistic.
Really only heard, read or experienced one negative vibe.


was it Wally's personal PR guy? cause that's all I saw.

Centerfield
Oct 31 2017 02:46 PM
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It seems like Calloway's signature move is to focus on the curveball. I guess that has a direct impact on guys like Matz and Lugo. Matz, who we hope is now healthy, might be a great candidate for Calloway's tutelage. Has good off-speed stuff. Maybe he can take the next step into Trevor Bauer.

Lugo will be interesting. If he can stay healthy, he could be a great candidate too. Or, this could push him into TJ surgery.

Will be interesting to see if Noah finds his curveball again, after going mainly fastball slider in recent years.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 13 2017 04:14 PM
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Mickey is scheduled to be on set today for the season premiere of Mets Hot Stove on SNY.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 14 2017 02:04 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Mickey is scheduled to be on set today for the season premiere of Mets Hot Stove on SNY.


It was pretty interesting. Catch it if you can.

Edgy MD
Nov 14 2017 03:45 AM
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He was interesting, but that interviewer talked over him through the whole thing, often answering his own questions.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 14 2017 03:58 PM
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John Harper was one of the panel who interviewed Mickey on last night's Mets Hot Stove (along with Gary Apple, Jim Duquette, and Anthony DiComo).

His column in today's Daily News recaps a lot of what Mickey said, and adds some new stuff as well, about daily urine tests and "Motus sleeves" that measure stress on a pitcher's elbow. The urine test is to make sure that players are properly hydrated and therefore less likely to pull muscles.

Mickey also talked of getting pitchers up to 240 innings per season. He feels deGrom is ready for that, the other guys, because they pitched fewer innings last year may need another year before they can reach that threshold.

He says you stay healthy by throwing more, not less. (He didn't say so explicitly, but it sounds like he feels that Terry's plan last spring to restrict innings was misguided.) He also sounds like he's willing to let pitchers go deeper into games and run up higher pitch counts, which of course is consistent with the 240-innings thing. This very much contradicts what we're seeing in the "Marc Carig" thread, about having starters avoid a third trip through the opposing lineup.

Harper's full column: Mickey Callaway aims to reduce Mets’ pitching injuries with analytics and research

Ceetar
Nov 14 2017 04:20 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
He also sounds like he's willing to let pitchers go deeper into games and run up higher pitch counts, which of course is consistent with the 240-innings thing. This very much contradicts what we're seeing in the "Marc Carig" thread, about having starters avoid a third trip through the opposing lineup.


Love the data and science approach. makes me happy.

I assume he'll also consult with Eiland on that stuff.

But it's not contradicting Carig (and didn't Alderson confirm that?) who suggested that deGrom and Thor wouldn't be as subject to the third time through thing? Presumably this very much matters on which pitchers the Mets have and how they're doing (and the score) but the third time through penalty is a real thing and if he's using data and analysis I'd be surprised if he's not quick to go to a reliever for Wheeler or Montero if it comes to that.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 14 2017 04:24 PM
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Yes, I agree that the third-time through thing should be more applicable to some pitchers than to others. But if Montero is cruising, let him test the third round of the lineup, but perhaps keep him on a short leash. And if deGrom is having a bad day, then maybe you do pull him after about 20 batters.

I'm definitely liking a lot of what I'm hearing from Mickey. Listening to him last night I couldn't help but think that he was saying the kinds of things we'd never hear from Terry Collins, or Jerry Manuel, or Willie Randolph.

Edgy MD
Nov 14 2017 04:39 PM
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Really, it's mainly Harvey who blew up the third time through the lineup. But it's not like we weren't holding our breath up until that point. So if they want to see if they at least make him a successful five-inning pitcher, fine. Making that a norm for all starters is another order, though. And we're starting to look at the four- or four-plus-inning start become more normalized.

I don't know if Harvey will be back, but almost anything would be a step forward for him. Crikey.

Ceetar
Nov 14 2017 04:42 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Yes, I agree that the third-time through thing should be more applicable to some pitchers than to others. But if Montero is cruising, let him test the third round of the lineup, but perhaps keep him on a short leash. And if deGrom is having a bad day, then maybe you do pull him after about 20 batters.


Statistically there seems to be no such thing as momentum/cruising. A pitcher's career line is more predictive of how he'll pitch in the 6th inning than the 5 innings that preceded it.

So if Montero has a 2-hit 1-BB shutout going into the 6th of a 1-run game, you still lift him for a good reliever.

G-Fafif
Nov 14 2017 04:58 PM
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The phrase our new manager uses repeatedly that I find curious, and I haven't heard any of his interviewers ask him to expand on it, is how the players will know they're "cared for". What does that mean exactly? Is that something that's been missing across baseball? Is that something that's been a Met problem? An extension of the general ideal of communication being key? He always pairs it with how the players will be asked to do more than ever before and be held accountable, perhaps so we know he's not a pushover.

We should all feel cared for. I'm just surprised a baseball manager keeps invoking it as an explicit professional necessity.

Ceetar
Nov 14 2017 05:05 PM
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I think cared for is like the urine thing. "Oh good, you're hydrated. I hope you're eating healthy too!"

I imagine sleep will come up too.

Edgy MD
Nov 14 2017 05:12 PM
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I think a list of each manager and GM's fallback phrases is fun to compile. His "Know wha' I mean?" or his "We battled."

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 14 2017 05:43 PM
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I think he actually said that he would "love" them, that he would love each and every player. That he would love Matt Harvey. He would love Juan Lagares. He would love Hansel Robles. He would love Mark Reynolds. (I don't recall Dallas Green ever saying anything like that.) And yes, he also said that he would hold them accountable. It sounded like he was talking about a paternal love, rather than a puppy love. (I guess if the Mets wanted that they would have hired Donny Osmond.) So it would sometimes be the kind of tough love that parents need to exercise at times. "You know I love you, Hansel Robles, but you need to clean up your room, and you need to throw strikes."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 14 2017 06:32 PM
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"...But not the kind of strikes that wind up on table 14 of the Acela Club"

G-Fafif
Nov 14 2017 07:26 PM
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This was from the Post story from the introductory press conference:

We are going to care more about the players than anyone ever has before,” Callaway said. “And we’re going to know they are human beings and individuals, and this is going to be a group that feels that every day we come to the clubhouse, and that is going to be our main concern.

“We know they are human beings and their numbers or stats are going to be a byproduct of how durable, prepared and aggressive they are, and that’s it. We’re not going to have expectations on numbers.”


Right now, nothing he says is wrong. A clean slate is a wondrous thing.

cooby
Nov 14 2017 07:34 PM
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Excited already!

Nymr83
Nov 16 2017 01:28 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think he actually said that he would "love" them, that he would love each and every player. That he would love Matt Harvey. He would love Juan Lagares. He would love Hansel Robles. He would love Mark Reynolds. (I don't recall Dallas Green ever saying anything like that.) And yes, he also said that he would hold them accountable. It sounded like he was talking about a paternal love, rather than a puppy love. (I guess if the Mets wanted that they would have hired Donny Osmond.) So it would sometimes be the kind of tough love that parents need to exercise at times. "You know I love you, Hansel Robles, but you need to clean up your room, and you need to throw strikes."


He'll love them so much that there will be a restraining order!

The urine test is to make sure that players are properly hydrated and therefore less likely to pull muscles.


until the first time MLB tries to confiscate and drug test it, then there will be no more testing.

41Forever
Nov 16 2017 01:53 PM
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I finally was able to listen to the Meet the Mets podcast from MetsBlog where the three hosts were talking about Callaway. One of them, I think it was Steve Hofstetter, said, "And he'll be wearing No. 36" and rattled off some older Mets like Dean Florence, finishing with something like, "And I don't think the Mets have ever had someone really good wearing that number before."

I'm yelling "Jerry Koosman! He's in the team's Hall of Fame, for goodness sake! C'mon guys!" but since I was in the car and they recorded it last month, this had no discernible effect other than me spitting up a little of the morning Monster.

A couple minutes later, Cerone or Brender said, "I looked it up, and Jerry Koosman wore that number."

Hopefully they had a copy of the essential "Mets By the Numbers" -- both editions -- so they don't make such a mistake again.

Dean Florence?

Vic Sage
Nov 16 2017 03:17 PM
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how do you present yourself to the public as having some expertise on the Mets (and if you're blogging about them, you're presenting yourself as an authority on them), and NOT know #36? Do they not know #41, too? #internetdeathofjournalism #opinionslikea_holes

Ceetar
Nov 16 2017 03:19 PM
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because numbers aren't really important?

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2017 03:20 PM
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Well, they're not really, but someone who doesn't think they're important shouldn't talk about them like they're an expert.

Vic Sage
Nov 16 2017 03:26 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
because numbers aren't really important?


Then why do they get retired? Why are they on the HOF plaques? enshrined in museums? Why are they painted on a team's scoreboard or OF wall? Why are they so iconic, they can be used as the title of a movie?
A player's number can become an iconic symbol of the game and take on mythic proportions. 42 anybody? anybody? Buehler?

Edgy MD
Nov 16 2017 03:28 PM
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Numbers identify a player. They are part of the brand that signifies him. For many players, they are as intimately as much a part of the story as the guy's name.

They don't know the number NOT because it isn't important to them (they were talking about numbers!), but because they've forgotten or never knew much of the Koosman story.

If they knew Koosman like they knew (say) Piazza or Leiter, they'd know his number.

41Forever
Nov 16 2017 03:39 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
because numbers aren't really important?


Blasphemy. :)

Ceetar
Nov 16 2017 03:41 PM
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Leiter was... 22?

I don't think I knew Koosman was 36.

See, his number isn't on the wall, retired, prominent anywhere. So when we talk about Koosman we don't talk about 36. If you'd like to argue, that's fine. I'd say it's on the older fans/historians/team that are neglecting spreading his story over browbeating us with Seaver over and over again.

for some players it's part of the brand. For others it's just a way to be marked in the scorecard.

G-Fafif
Nov 16 2017 03:57 PM
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It's fine to not care about who wore 36 if numbers don't count for you. Those who don't know the one outstanding Met to wear 36, however, probably shouldn't bring up who previously wore 36 on a podcast in the first place. Callaway is such a blank slate to date that I guess there's only so much to bring up.

BTW, it was Don Florence, not Dean. He went 3-0 and was let go, which still perplexes me.

Ceetar
Nov 16 2017 04:01 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
It's fine to not care about who wore 36 if numbers don't count for you. Those who don't know the one outstanding Met to wear 36, however, probably shouldn't bring up who previously wore 36 on a podcast in the first place.


well yeah, agreed on that.

also maybe look it up first?

G-Fafif
Nov 16 2017 04:42 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
It's fine to not care about who wore 36 if numbers don't count for you. Those who don't know the one outstanding Met to wear 36, however, probably shouldn't bring up who previously wore 36 on a podcast in the first place.


well yeah, agreed on that.

also maybe look it up first?


Preparation rocks!

seawolf17
Nov 16 2017 04:43 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
"...But not the kind of strikes that wind up on table 14 of the Acela Club"

"Because we don't really have money to replace windows."

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 16 2017 05:22 PM
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I figuratively if not literally, pop a blood vessel whenever I hear talk of Gary Carter deserving to have his Mets # retired, because whatever Carter did for the Mets, Koosman did 10 times over. 20 times over! But for every time I hear someone advocating for retiring Kooz's #, I probably hear it 100 times for Carter.

cooby
Nov 16 2017 05:25 PM
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I'm with you. Jerry was terrific too!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 16 2017 05:50 PM
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Preaching to the choir here but numbers needn't be retired to remembered, if you're the kind of fan that remembers those kind of things. And I agree they aren't in and of themselves important which speaks to the whole conceit of knowing them and celebrating them: It's how the mind of a fan works. For many guys the number is *all* people remember of them like me with Roy Staiger. I knew he was an infielder, and I knew wore No. 2. Did he bat right, left or both? No clue. So the number for me became an avenue to greater understanding.

G-Fafif
Nov 16 2017 06:19 PM
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Preaching to the choir here but numbers needn't be retired to remembered, if you're the kind of fan that remembers those kind of things. And I agree they aren't in and of themselves important which speaks to the whole conceit of knowing them and celebrating them: It's how the mind of a fan works.


If Callaway is somewhat successful (winning records, limited embarrassment on his watch), he automatically becomes the second-most significant 36 in franchise history. The gap from Koosman to whichever 36 you'd currently rank behind him -- Tracy Stallard, Ed Lynch, Greg McMichael -- has to be the largest within the realm of widely circulated Met numbers.

I've enjoyed every time a 36 has been issued to an inevitable journeyman that the tendency among announcers and fans (who care about such things) is to instinctively remember and mention/tweet Jerry Koosman's name. In its own way, it's as valuable to his legacy as 36 being up in the rafters.

d'Kong76
Nov 16 2017 06:28 PM
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#36 is retired in my mind. #8? No, and not #17 either.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
For many guys the number is *all* people remember of them like me with Roy Staiger. I knew he was an infielder, and I knew wore No. 2. Did he bat right, left or both? No clue. So the number for me became an avenue to greater understanding.


I better remember his acting career. He was great in Jaws.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2017 06:47 PM
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I know. As soon as I saw that Mickey was getting number 36, the first thought that came to my mind was "Jerry Koosman".

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 16 2017 08:15 PM
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I think Marty Noble said 36 was always given to a "nice guys" He is a big fan of Kooz and Ed Lynch.

Did I ever show you guys my Ed Lynch bio?

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/48fa15f1

cooby
Nov 16 2017 09:21 PM
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I must remember to explore this website

bmfc1
Jan 31 2018 03:50 PM
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Per this article, https://nypost.com/2018/01/30/mets-bein ... -attitude/
Mickey sent this book to his staff. https://www.amazon.com/Legacy-James-Ker ... egacy+book
Has anyone read it?

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 31 2018 03:54 PM
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If we weren't so terrible at doing book clubs here, this one would be an interesting choice.

bmfc1
Jan 31 2018 04:07 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
If we weren't so terrible at doing book clubs here, this one would be an interesting choice.

For $1.66, I'm in.