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And now... the coaching staff

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2017 01:22 PM

Now that the Mets have a manager, they need a bench coach, a pitching coach, and, perhaps, a hitting instructor. For bench coach, I'd choose someone with experience as a manager, as well as recent experience in a National League dugout. There are probably quite a few guys out there who meet that criteria. The first name that comes to mind is Dusty Baker. There's also Larry Bowa, Terry Collins, the guy who was just fired in Philadelphia, and, I'm sure, many more. As for the pitching coach, I have no idea. The Indians also have a vacancy for that role, and I found this article on Cleveland.com that evaluates possible candidates. Any candidate for the Indians job is potentially a candidate for the Mets job. Anyway, this list can be a starting point. Who will replace Mickey Callaway? Cleveland Indians start search for new pitching coach Monday Kirk Champion: He was a finalist for the job that went to Callaway before the 2013 season. He was Francona's pitching coach at Class AA Birmingham in the White Sox organization. Champion is the White Sox's director of minor league instruction. John Farrell: Farrell was just fired as Boston's manager after five seasons. He led the Red Sox to the World Series title in 2013 and three AL East titles. He has a long history with Francona and the Indians, the organization that drafted him in 1984 and brought him to the big leagues. Farrell was Francona's pitching coach in Boston from 2007 through 2010. Before joining Francona, he was the Indians' farm director from 2001 through 2006. Farrell went 36-46 with a 4.56 ERA in an eight-year big-league career. There is a chance Farrell could also join the Cubs. Theo Epstein, their top baseball man, hired him as Francona's pitching coach in Boston. Farrell might need some time away from the game to regroup or he could seek another manager's job. Jim Hickey: After 11 years with the Tampa Bay Rays, Hickey was relieved of his duties after the 2017 season. Hickey was one of the most successful pitching coaches in the big leagues during his tenure with the Rays. There is a good possibility he could rejoin former Tampa Bay manager Joe Maddon as the Cubs new pitching coach. Chris Bosio: The Cubs fired Bosio after they were eliminated in this year's NLCS by the Dodgers. There reportedly was a rift between him and Maddon. Bosio has been credited with helping develop several pitchers on the Cubs that helped them beat the Indians in the 2017 World Series. Bosio pitched 11 years in the big leagues, going 94-93 with a 3.96 ERA. Dave Righetti: The Giants let Righetti go after 18 years as their pitching coach. He helped develop the pitching staff that won World Series titles in 2010, 2012 and 2014. During his tenure in San Francisco, his pitchers threw five no-hitters and Tim Lincecum won two Cy Young awards. Righetti pitched 16 years in the big leagues. He went 82-79 with a 3.46 ERA and 252 saves. Mike Maddux: When the Nationals fired manager Dusty Baker after they failed to advance past the NLDS earlier this month they fired his entire staff as well. Maddux has a good reputation and is used to working with high-profile starters such as Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg in Washington and Yu Darvish in Texas. Maddux, the brother of Hall of Famer Greg Maddux, pitched 15 years in the big leagues.

Ceetar Oct 23 2017 01:26 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

the pitching coach is most interesting because you wonder how much Callaway will have his toe in.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2017 01:27 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

My first reaction -- I brought his name up the other day -- was Maddux. This is the first I'm hearing about Righetti being let go so he becomes an obvious choice to consider as well.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2017 01:27 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

the pitching coach is most interesting because you wonder how much Callaway will have his toe in. Yes, I was thinking that too. Also from the same Cleveland.com article, where they discuss internal candidates, there's this guy: Jason Bere: He just finished his third year as the Tribe's bullpen coach. He spent nine years before that working in the team's front office, focusing on instructing and evaluating pitchers in the farm system. Bere pitched 11 seasons in the big leagues, going 71-65 with a 5.14 ERA. He appeared in 211 games, 203 as a starter. If Bere and Mickey have a good working relationship, I suppose he might be considered for the Mets job.

Mex17 Oct 23 2017 01:36 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 23 2017 02:10 PM

I think that you can count out any pitching coach that you have heard of to get the job. Callaway's first move is not going to bring in a guy for his old job who might try to override him as the manager of the team. If you want to speculate for pitching coach, it's probably better to start digging around the Indian's official website to see who they have as minor league pitching coaches/coordinators. My guess is that Callaway will try to poach one of them away.

Ceetar Oct 23 2017 02:00 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mex17 wrote: I think that you can count out any pitching coach that you have heard of to get the job. Callaway's fist move is not going to bring in a guy for his old job who might try to override him as the manager of the team. If you want to speculate for pitching coach, it's probably better to start digging around the Indian's official website to see who they have as minor league pitching coaches/coordinators. My guess is that Callaway will try to poach one of them away. I figure it's either that, or the exact opposite. Someone big and grand who Callaway can feel comfortable distancing himself from and won't get the "is Callaway guiding X?" treatment that others would.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2017 02:03 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mex17 wrote: I think that you can count out any pitching coach that you have heard of to get the job. Callaway's fist move is not going to bring in a guy for his old job who might try to override him as the manager of the team. If you want to speculate for pitching coach, it's probably better to start digging around the Indian's official website to see who they have as minor league pitching coaches/coordinators. My guess is that Callaway will try to poach one of them away. I think just the opposite. To start with, if Callaway is going to be too insecure with a proven ML pitching coach at his side then he probably shouldn't have been hired. His roots may be as a pitching coach but that's not his job description anymore so if he's going treat it as a power struggle he's in trouble before he begins. I also don't think this is going to be his call. This is likely a GM hire (hopefully with some input from the new guy) and I think GMs will tend towards surrounding inexperienced managers with more experienced assistants. As a first-time skipper, Callaway's not simply going to go through his old list of buddies in his old org and pluck out who he wants.

Ceetar Oct 23 2017 02:07 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

And from our standpoint, I think we want someone strong in the role. Someone we can trust to take the decision from Callaway about who's ready, who's hot, who's gonna get this guy out. We don't want Mickey running out there to talk to the pitcher instead of the pitching coach.

Centerfield Oct 23 2017 02:07 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

(was meant to agree with the FK post two posts above!) I tend to agree with this. "Control" is perhaps too strong a word, but I think one of the big qualifications for manager was that the guy had to understand that Sandy's running the show, and he better be in line with the program.

Mex17 Oct 23 2017 02:12 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Ceetar wrote: And from our standpoint, I think we want someone strong in the role. Someone we can trust to take the decision from Callaway about who's ready, who's hot, who's gonna get this guy out. We don't want Mickey running out there to talk to the pitcher instead of the pitching coach. What is the point of hiring Callaway then?

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2017 02:15 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

To be the manager, not manager AND de facto pitching coach.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2017 02:31 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I think the idea that you can't hire experienced coaches because the manager might be threatened is a losing proposition. If they hired, for example, Dave Righetti as the pitching coach and Dusty Baker as the bench coach, I'd be totally fine with that.

Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2017 02:32 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Wish I knew more about him. Hoping for the best. Curious to see who his bench coach will be. Hopefully someone better than Dick Scott.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2017 02:50 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Curious to see who his bench coach will be. Hopefully someone better than Dick Scott. Well it'll definitely be someone other than Dick Scott as he's the one person on the staff of whom it is said will definitely NOT be back next year. On the other hand, I can't remember a single incident which made me either positive or negative towards Dick Scott so I'm not going to know 'better' or 'worse' if it bites me, at least not right off the bat. As far as other coaches go: - hitting coach Kevin Long is understandably "disappointed" after interviewing for the manager's job but not being selected. "Right now, I think it's still a possibility he will be back on the staff, but we'll have to wait to see." said Alderson. Long said his future is up in the air with the Mets and would not commit to 2018. "We'll see," he said via text. - Dan Warthen has been offered another position within the organization but Sandy says he hasn't heard back from him yet. Alderson also added that the hiring of the new pitching coach would be a "collaboration" with Callaway. - 1st base coach Tom Goodwin and bullpen coach Ricky Bones were "uncertain of their status" although both their contracts run out on Oct 31 - only 3rd base coach Glen Sherlock is signed for next year http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.3583916

Mets Willets Point Oct 24 2017 04:38 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Red Schoendienst is still available.

metirish Oct 24 2017 12:55 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I find it interesting that so much ink is being given to the fact that a pitching coach got the job. I think Baker would be a great choice as bench coach.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2017 01:21 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I think a guy usually gives it a year or two after he leaves a managing job before returning to the dugout as a bench coach. But, considering all the years he's put in and all the BS, he may be ready for his next act. Not my first choice, though.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2017 01:24 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Edgy MD wrote: Not my first choice, though. Because you're not high on Dusty, or because you have someone better in mind? I floated Dusty Baker's name because it was at the tip of my tongue. (Or the tips of my fingers, more accurately.) I would like it to be an experienced manager who's had recent exposure to the National League.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2017 01:40 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 24 2017 07:15 PM

Yeah, Dusty has managed in 19 of the last 22 seasons so I'm not sure he'll be mentally ready for the co-pilot's chair quite so soon, particularly when there are still open top jobs out there. Also, Dusty's strength, at least as far as I read it, is that he's a good people manager but not the best strategist. I'd kind of want the opposite in a bench coach. Torre & Zimmer were a good pair in that way. Torre was hardly an innovative manager but he read and managed his players well while keeping them shielded from the exuberant press and the often irrational owner. Zimmer, when he did manage (Boston, Texas, Chicago) mainly managed to piss off many of his players the longer he hung around and in the six weeks that he ran the Yanx during Torre's cancer treatment at the start of the 1999 season, that club, in the middle of what was one of the best six year runs ever and coming off their 114 win season, stumbled to a barely over .500 record while Zimmer ran them. When Torre came back they almost immediately took off and wound up with 98 wins (off a 21-17 start) But from an in-game strategy viewpoint, Zimmer would sit next to Torre the entire game whispering suggestions in his ear that Joe was free to act on or ignore and Zim's gambling style was a perfect counterpoint to Torre's natural conservatism and kept the manager on his toes.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2017 01:52 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Frayed Knot wrote: Also, Dusty's strength, at least as far as I read it, is that he's a good people manager but not the best strategist. I'd kind of want the opposite in a bench coach. I agree that the key role of a bench coach should be to whisper strategic suggestions to the manager.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2017 01:54 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Not my first choice, though. Because you're not high on Dusty, or because you have someone better in mind? Six of one and half dozen of the other, isn't it? It's all relative. I don't think highly of him relative to other available guys, yeah. You need a guy who can help see the angles in the heat of the game. Gabriel Byrne in Miller's Crossing. Dusty never struck me as that guy.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2017 01:55 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Names? Larry Bowa? Moose Stubing?

Edgy MD Oct 24 2017 02:01 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Well, if Gabriel Byrne isn't available, Manny Acta, Charlie Manuel, Bobby Valentine, José Oquendo, Joe McEwing, Chip Hale, Tim Bogar, Don Wakamatsu, Tony Peña, Ken Macha, Phil Garner, Mike Jorgensen, Ken Oberkfell, and Lee Mazzilli all come to mind.

Fman99 Oct 24 2017 03:23 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Not my first choice, though. Because you're not high on Dusty, or because you have someone better in mind? I floated Dusty Baker's name because it was at the tip of my tongue. (Or the tips of my fingers, more accurately.) I would like it to be an experienced manager who's had recent exposure to the National League. 100% on this. New to managing, new to the NL. Get him some help.

seawolf17 Oct 24 2017 06:54 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Frayed Knot wrote: Well it'll definitely be someone other than Dick Scott as he's the one person on the staff of whom it is said will definitely NOT be back next year. Who the hell is Dick Scott?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2017 07:00 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mets bench coach in 2017.

seawolf17 Oct 25 2017 03:22 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mets bench coach in 2017. I was (sort of) kidding. I vaguely know who he was, but have zero specific recollections of him at all.

Mex17 Oct 25 2017 12:04 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/world-seri ... ets-radar/ I was going to let this go, agree to disagree, and just see what actually happens, but instead I guess that I am going to reference the above link and reiterate how much of a potential disaster this approach could be. The risk involved is possibly on the level of destroying this entire experiment of hiring a guy as your manager who, has not only never has managed before on any level except Division III college, but also someone who comes from the non-traditional avenue of being a pitching coach first. I don't have the specific numbers in front of me right now, but they have been referenced recently in the media to illustrate that the "pitching coach to manager" career track is infrequent. It has always seemed to me as a sort of independent department that has to report to and coordinate with the manager, but generally does it's own thing separate from the rest of the team. Frayed Knot, I obviously agree with you when you say that Callaway was hired to be the manager and not the manager and de facto pitching coach, but only in the sense that the manager cannot get involved with the day to day minutia of being a pitching coach on account of obvious time constraints. This particular manager was hired clearly to, among other things, set the policy and the philosophy with regard to how the pitching is going to be handled. If he isn't going to be permitted to do that, than there were other candidates out there. But they selected this candidate. Generally speaking, if you put two Alphas in the same room or on the same staff or whatever who share the same field of expertise but have differing approaches, then the results are not going to be good. . . "Fuck you, I have been doing this for blah blah blah amount of years and I know that my way works because it has worked and I know what I am doing so get out of my way and manage the rest of the team!" "Fuck you, I'm the manager around here and I've done your job and you work for me!" That's what you do not want. I could be wrong, and am open to be persuaded, but that is not what you want.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2017 12:26 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I'm not sure what disaster approach you're referencing. But if you hire abusive managers that tell coaches to fuck themselves, and insubordinate coaches that tell managers the same, that's generally bad no matter what the backgrounds of the principals.

Mex17 Oct 25 2017 12:55 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure what disaster approach you're referencing. But if you hire abusive managers that tell coaches to fuck themselves, and insubordinate coaches that tell managers the same, that's generally bad no matter what the backgrounds of the principals. http://nypost.com/2017/10/24/mets-hired ... n-manager/ The approach that I am referring to is one that would say that Callaway has no leverage to pick his own pitching coach because he is a rookie manager and should be grateful just to have a job so let's go out and get Dave Righetti (or whoever) because he is a "name". You have no idea if your "name" is going to jive with Callaway, especially if the "name" is more old-school. This above linked article expresses what should be happening now that they have committed to this direction. I'm not saying that it has to be this, but if Cleveland's bullpen coach or that organization's AAA pitching coach fits the bill moreso over the guy whose identity your can instantly recognize, than so be it.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2017 01:06 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 25 2017 05:10 PM

I think you (Mex) are making too much of the pitching coach background. Pitching coaches to managers are rare because pitchers themselves becoming managers haven't been that common throughout the years. Not really sure why that's been the case but there's no logical reason why an ex-hurler is going to be at a disadvantage as compared to former position players or bench riders. Nor is there any reason to treat an ex-pitcher/coach as someone who will remain forever locked into that aspect of the job. Mex17 wrote: ... This particular manager was hired clearly to, among other things, set the policy and the philosophy with regard to how the pitching is going to be handled. If he isn't going to be permitted to do that, than there were other candidates out there. But they selected this candidate. Managers aren't hired to set policy or philosophy so much as carry out the organization's policy and philosophy so the idea would be that the new pitching coach (and the hitting coach and the bullpen coach, etc.) are going to be hires who are on board with it too. Ted Williams as a manager wasn't going to hire someone from the Charlie Lau / Walt Hriniak school as his hitting coach because he vehemently disagreed with that hitting approach (nor was old Ted shy about saying so) and if his bosses were fans of the Lau/Hriniak philosophy and were going to force one on him then they were wrong to hire Ted in the first place.

Valadius Oct 25 2017 01:09 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I still want Joe McEwing on this staff. Bring him on as bench coach. It's what he's doing for the White Sox now anyway.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 25 2017 02:30 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mike Puma reviews some of the Mets pitching coach options: http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/world-seri ... ets-radar/

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2017 02:38 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

btw, while I'm sure you could make an argument that there's less of a need for an experienced pitching coach on account of the manager being a former one -- and I'm more interested in the bench coach specifically being an old hand -- if at the moment you happen to be in the market for a PC there just happen to be longtime and well respected types like Righetti & Maddux available, you'd be nuts not to at least talk to them.

Valadius Oct 25 2017 08:08 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Do any of these pitching coaches have experience in getting repeatedly-injured players back to some semblance of respectability?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2017 05:08 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Are the Mets considering a return of Tim Teufel? The Mets’ problematic infield defense has team officials considering a reunion with a displaced member of the coaching staff. According to industry sources, Tim Teufel, who was reassigned within the organization after the 2016 season, is under consideration for a role on new manager Mickey Callaway’s coaching staff. It’s unclear if Teufel would be a candidate for the vacant bench coach position or used as a base coach. Full article: Mets could turn to familiar coach to solve infield issues

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2017 02:18 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mike Maddux hooks on as pitching coach with St Louis

Mex17 Oct 29 2017 03:30 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ss ... _clev.html

Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2017 12:18 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2017/10/jason_bere_passed_over_as_clev.html Jason Bere, passed over as Cleveland Indians' pitching coach, could interview with Mets Cleveland.com wrote: CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Indians did not consider Jason Bere as a replacement for pitching coach Mickey Callaway, which may have led to his surprising departure from the team's coaching staff. Bere, 46, just finished his third year as the team's bullpen coach. Previously, he spent nine years as a special assistant to the Indians' baseball operations department scouting, evaluating and instructing the organization's pitchers. Bere reportedly was not considered for the pitching coach job. He was told the Indians were "moving in a different direction." Bere reportedly has been in contact with Callaway and could interview to be the Mets pitching coach.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2017 12:23 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

The tabloid headline RASPBERRY BERE is just tailor made for his first screw up.

Mex17 Oct 29 2017 06:30 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Cleveland.com wrote: CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Indians did not consider Jason Bere as a replacement for pitching coach Mickey Callaway, which may have led to his surprising departure from the team's coaching staff. Bere, 46, just finished his third year as the team's bullpen coach. Previously, he spent nine years as a special assistant to the Indians' baseball operations department scouting, evaluating and instructing the organization's pitchers. Bere reportedly was not considered for the pitching coach job. He was told the Indians were "moving in a different direction." Bere reportedly has been in contact with Callaway and could interview to be the Mets pitching coach. You have to figure that, if he left a job that he still had (bullpen coach for Cleveland), that there had to have been some sort of assurance that there would be a place for him in the Mets organization, don't you think? I'm not saying that Callaway could have guaranteed the pitching coach job for him, but maybe he said to Bere that he could get him an interview and that bullpen coach or minor league pitching coordinator would be on the table if they went in another direction for pitching coach. At the very least, my guess is that Callaway is vouching for Bere and Bere is going to interview for something.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2017 07:27 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mex17 wrote: You have to figure that, if he left a job that he still had (bullpen coach for Cleveland), that there had to have been some sort of assurance that there would be a place for him in the Mets organization, don't you think? Not really. First of all it's not clear from that linked article that the job was still his and that he simply chose to walk away from it. He was likely on a one year deal (I suspect most 'lesser' coaches are) so when it says "they parted ways" that's more likely to be the club's decision than his. I'm not saying that Callaway could have guaranteed the pitching coach job for him, but maybe he said to Bere that he could get him an interview and that bullpen coach or minor league pitching coordinator would be on the table if they went in another direction for pitching coach. At the very least, my guess is that Callaway is vouching for Bere and Bere is going to interview for something. If Callaway recommended Bere then, sure, it'll probably help him land an interview with the Mets (although that the Mets will talk to him is merely speculation in the article). But he didn't have to preemptively leave Cleveland based on just that since they'd likely let him leave anyway for the promotion of the PC job and I doubt he'd dump one bullpen job merely for the possibility of a different one.

Edgy MD Oct 29 2017 07:34 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Yeah, MLB coaching jobs are scarce enough. If you have one, you bite down. And if you're going to leave it, leave it for a bird in hand, not one in the bush. Kevin Long didn't get the big league manager job, and it's not clear if he's going to retain his batting instructor job with the Mets. But even as he interviews for other jobs, he's not explicitly turning in his papers on the Mets. Be like Kevin Long, not Shelly Long.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2017 06:21 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Wally Backman, reportedly, has tried to cross back over a bridge he already burned.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2017 06:38 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

From The Daily News: Mets assistant hitting coach Pat Roessler finalizing two-year deal with team: sources From Newsday: Kevin Long unlikely to return as Mets’ hitting coach, source says

Valadius Nov 01 2017 08:12 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

How many other teams have assistant hitting coaches? Wouldn't a new hitting coach want to be able to decide who their assistant is?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2017 08:21 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

You would think so. I'm wondering if perhaps Roessler is being considered for a promotion from assistant hitting instructor to hitting instructor.

Mex17 Nov 01 2017 08:33 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 01 2017 08:42 PM

I doubt that there will be an "assistant hitting coach" going forward. I'm not saying that it is going to be this, but based upon what reports are out there this is an educated speculation of what the staff could look like. . . Bench - Acta Pitching - Jason Bere Hitting - Roessler 1st Base/infielders - Teufel 3rd Base/catchers - Sherlock Bullpen - Bones Do you think that there is a need to add one more guy to coach the outfielders? Is coaching the outfielders even enough work to justify another position on the staff?

Mex17 Nov 01 2017 08:39 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 01 2017 08:48 PM

New info. . . https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/ ... 3910349824 "Mets will name Pat Roessler as the new hitting coach and Ricky Bones will remain as bullpen coach, according to industry sources." Just guessing, but I would not be surprised if keeping Bones is a quid pro quo in exchange for letting Callaway have his man in the form of Bere.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 01 2017 08:39 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I think they'll be able to afford a seventh coach if David Wright retires.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2017 08:47 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I think they'll be able to afford a seventh coach if David Wright retires. And the insurance company keeps paying off anyway. Actually, teams are capped at six in-dugout coaches. So here's my advice as to how to coach the outfielders: 'Yo dudes, if the ball comes to you catch it!! ... and then throw it back.'

Mex17 Nov 01 2017 08:59 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Frayed Knot wrote: Actually, teams are capped at six in-dugout coaches. So bullpen coach would not count in that scenario I am supposing, which is why they were able to have the "assistant hitting coach" the past few years in addition to bench/PC/HC/1b/3b in the dugout and then BP outside of the dugout. Maybe they do get an OF coach then. Strategy from game to game/series to series with regard to how to be positioned for each hitter or scenario is going to be a thing along with coaching and correcting flaws/bad habits with regard to mechanics as the season goes on.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2017 10:24 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

'In uniform" coaches might be the better description so I think the bullpen coach does count against the six. A team can have as many coaches as they want so if they want to employ separate Right Field, Center Field, and Left Field coaches then go for it, they just can't all be in the dugout during the game. But frankly, once we're into discussions of outfield coaches and assistant batting coaches I've already lost interest anyway.

Mex17 Nov 01 2017 10:40 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Frayed Knot wrote: 'In uniform" coaches might be the better description so I think the bullpen coach does count against the six. They have had seven in uniform the past few years. . . Scott Warthen Long Roessler (as the "assistant". . .perhaps that was the loophole) Goodwin Teufel/Sherlock Bones

Centerfield Nov 01 2017 10:47 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Look, not that this is any sort of big deal, but if the idea was to start clean, promoting the guy who was assistant to the guy we just had is not a very inspiring choice.

Mex17 Nov 01 2017 10:54 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Centerfield wrote: Look, not that this is any sort of big deal, but if the idea was to start clean, promoting the guy who was assistant to the guy we just had is not a very inspiring choice. But that wasn't the idea. Left to their own devices, the preference was to keep Long. They liked the job he did.

MFS62 Nov 02 2017 01:31 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Looks like Dave Eiland is the new pitching coach. https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball ... 1.14714629 Later

Ceetar Nov 02 2017 01:52 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

MFS62 wrote: Looks like Dave Eiland is the new pitching coach. https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball ... 1.14714629 Later An interesting one. Another Yankee cast off, and perhaps another "your loss is our gain" one. It certainly seemed like he was fired from the Yankees for an undisclosed personal leave issue.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2017 02:16 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

I remember when he came up with the Yanx not long after Cone did with the Mets and the papers making [u:xs65pwed]Coney Eiland[/u:xs65pwed] jokes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2017 08:47 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Rosenthal reporting the Mets are to hire Ruin Tommorow Jr. Aka, Ruben Amaro Jr., as new 1b/of coach

Ceetar Nov 02 2017 08:57 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Rosenthal reporting the Mets are to hire Ruin Tommorow Jr. Aka, Ruben Amaro Jr., as new 1b/of coach That's why he did in Boston last year. He'll replace Tom Goodwin. Who will replace Amaro. Who will replace Goodwin. Who will replace Amaro. help i'm stuck

Edgy MD Nov 02 2017 08:59 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Coach challenge trade!

Mex17 Nov 02 2017 09:20 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

That leaves presumably Teufel for bench. Sorry, Manny. Assuming that, it's a hybrid approach: One guy coming back after a year away and in a new role. One guy promoted. Two guys staying the same. Two completely new guys.

41Forever Nov 03 2017 01:14 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Wasn’t Amaro the Phils’ general manager?

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2017 01:17 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

41Forever wrote: Wasn’t Amaro the Phils’ general manager? Yup. Until two years ago. And Kevin Long is off to join ... the Washington Nationals where he'll serve as their hitting coach. I think this means Murph will hit .600 next season.

Mex17 Nov 03 2017 01:43 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

So Long presumably feels so slighted that the Mets did not make him manager that he cannot remain as their hitting coach. Therefore he becomes the hitting coach for the Nats, who also passed on making him their manager.

41Forever Nov 03 2017 02:20 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Mex17 wrote: So Long presumably feels so slighted that the Mets did not make him manager that he cannot remain as their hitting coach. Therefore he becomes the hitting coach for the Nats, who also passed on making him their manager. And if the Nationals aren’t keen on paying managers, I can only imagine the priority placed on paying coaches.

Ashie62 Nov 03 2017 02:44 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Dave Eiland, calling all Univ South Florida Bulls fans!

Ashie62 Nov 03 2017 02:49 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Dave Eiland was on a 24 day ankees leave of abscene likely fueled by alcohol and his punching out of A.J. Burnett. [url]https://mlblogssouthernbelle.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/spicy-stuff-the-story-behind-dave-eilands-firing/

Mex17 Nov 03 2017 10:25 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

In case people want or need to see it, here is the itemized break down of Teufel's managing/coaching career: 2003 - Brooklyn 2004 - St. Lucie 2005 - St. Lucie 2007 - Savannah 2008 - St. Lucie 2009 - St. Lucie 2010 - Binghamton 2011 - Buffalo 2011 - Leonas del Caracas (Venezuelan League) 2012 - 2016: Mets 3rd base coach That's 8 years of managing (albeit not in the majors) and 5 years coaching in the majors. I wanted a former major league manager as bench coach with a rookie manager, but I would be comfortable with this resume. Plus, we need him on the staff I think because of his experience with coaching the infielders (and apparently his expertise with using metrics to position them). And, in Amaro, we already have out "Spanish speaking guy" on the coaching staff.

bmfc1 Nov 05 2017 01:11 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

It's Gary DiSarcina who will stand a half-step behind Callaway while mumbling "maybe you should double switch here, I'm not sure, I've never played or coached in the National League." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_DiSa ... ing_career He was the Red Sox bench coach last year. John Farrell is a former pitcher so that's why he might have gotten the Mets gig: Because Farrell was a pitcher, he has relied on his bench coaches to provide him with the viewpoint of a position player. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/reds ... story.html Here's his Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/garydisarcina?lang=en

Mex17 Nov 05 2017 05:26 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

The one possibility left for an addition to the staff is Ryan Ellis as assistant hitting coach.

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2017 07:23 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Gary DiSarcina, 50 in a couple weeks, leaves his hometown team -- from Malden, Mass and later U. Mass-Amherst -- for the Mets job. Drafted in the 6th round 1988 by the Angels, DiSarcina went on to play 12 seasons of SS with the Angels making him one of 170 ML players to have playing careers of at least 10 seasons and play his entire career with one team. Ron Hodges and Ed Kranepool are the only NYMs on that list. Matt Cain retiring at the end of this year made him player #170

A Boy Named Seo Nov 05 2017 07:30 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Ashie62 wrote: Dave Eiland was on a 24 day ankees leave of abscene likely fueled by alcohol and his punching out of A.J. Burnett. [url]https://mlblogssouthernbelle.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/spicy-stuff-the-story-behind-dave-eilands-firing/ I agree with you wholeheartedly that a blog written by a "devoted (obsessed) 18 year old girl's views on all-things Yankees" is a reliable source to link to here.

Ashie62 Nov 06 2017 02:33 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

A warm welcome to Gary Disarcina! Can he still play 2b?

Valadius Nov 14 2017 09:50 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Anthony DiComo wrote: In addition to hiring a trainer to replace Ray Ramirez, the Mets plan to add an overall wellness coach to their staff, essentially a supervisor. [url]https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/930548753957826560

Edgy MD Nov 14 2017 09:55 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Do we know if Chicklo was sent packing along with Ramirez?

Mex17 Nov 14 2017 11:13 PM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Tom Slater is the Assistant Hitting Coach. https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-hire- ... /261821234

Edgy MD Nov 15 2017 02:03 AM Re: And now... the coaching staff

Tom Slater! Want Met to always love me! Tom Slater! Want Met to ALWAYS love me!