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Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

bmfc1 Oct 26 2017 02:42 PM

Girardi OUT. I'm guessing that WSH offers him a contract. That makes 3 playoff managers from this year who are out of a job.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 02:52 PM Re: LOL Yankees

WOWBOBWOW!

Mets Willets Point Oct 26 2017 02:55 PM Re: LOL Yankees

How does this square with "likeable overachieving underdogs" making an improbable run to game 7 of the ALCS? If any of that were true, shouldn't the manager be rewarded?

dgwphotography Oct 26 2017 02:58 PM Re: LOL Yankees

I think this was his call to walk away. I don't see him going to Washington, though. I think he'll land in Florida, closer to home.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 26 2017 03:00 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Any doubt the MFY's kept this one quiet until the Mets were Calloway'd? Just in case?

dgwphotography Oct 26 2017 03:01 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Wow - I just heard that it was the Yankees who weren't bringing him back - Just wow.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 26 2017 03:08 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Also, I realized this #LOLYankees thread was missing this beauty of a swing. There's a slow-mo after the regular-mo, too. [tweet:29301z4d]https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/921548697359466496[/tweet:29301z4d]

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 03:10 PM Re: LOL Yankees

He's already done the Florida thing. Got along terribly with his bosses there. Do you think he and Jeter have a relationship strong enough to fire Mattingly over? As far as sitting on this until the Mets left the marketplace, sure, why not? But that also means sitting on it until several other teams had snatched candidates off the shelves also. Hey, Yankees, sure, the Mets won't get Girardi, but now you won't get Calloway. Suckers.

Centerfield Oct 26 2017 03:16 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Maybe it serves us right that our 2017 MFY thread was titled "LOL Yankees" and they were one fucking game away from the World Series. In 2018 lets' just go back to calling them dickheads.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 03:29 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Yankee fans I'm talking to seem to think the search will be quick and it'll be Jay Bell's job.

dgwphotography Oct 26 2017 03:39 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Edgy MD wrote: He's already done the Florida thing. Got along terribly with his bosses there. Do you think he and Jeter have a relationship strong enough to fire Mattingly over? As far as sitting on this until the Mets left the marketplace, sure, why not? But that also means sitting on it until several other teams had snatched candidates off the shelves also. Hey, Yankees, sure, the Mets won't get Girardi, but now you won't get Calloway. Suckers. The Florida theory only had legs while I thought that it was his call to walk away. As for the MFY's waiting to announce this, I wonder if they already have a name in mind.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 26 2017 04:11 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Centerfield wrote: Maybe it serves us right that our 2017 MFY thread was titled "LOL Yankees" and they were one fucking game away from the World Series. This is the part I didn't get either and was biting my lip all along to refrain from commenting on. The team was a hair away from winning the pennant and going to the WS and you're all mocking them because your 70 win team .... did what exactly?

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2017 04:16 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Girardi is originally a Chicago guy. The Cubs are set but the White Sox are stocking up on prospects lately and may be a good landing spot for him in a year or two. This year's Yanx actually under-achieved their pythagorean projection by a whopping Nine games as their RS/RA ratio [858 / 660] suggested they should have been a 100 win team this season instead of the 91 they actually won. I doubt that that alone was enough to sway MFY mgmt especially since it was coming off the 2016 when they managed 84 wins despite a negative RS/RA

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2017 04:18 PM Re: LOL Yankees

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is the part I didn't get either and was biting my lip all along to refrain from commenting on. The team was a hair away from winning the pennant and going to the WS and you're all mocking them because your 70 win team .... did what exactly? Well the thread was titled back in [crossout]February or so[/crossout] late January so it's not like the season results were in at that point.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 04:26 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Frayed Knot wrote: Girardi is originally a Chicago guy. The Cubs are set but the White Sox are stocking up on prospects lately and may be a good landing spot for him in a year or two. This year's Yanx actually under-achieved their pythagorean projection by a whopping Nine games as their RS/RA ratio [858 / 660] suggested they should have been a 100 win team this season instead of the 91 they actually won. I doubt that that alone was enough to sway MFY mgmt especially since it was coming off the 2016 when they managed 84 wins despite a negative RS/RA Do you think the Pythagorean differential is a good metric to judge a manager on? It's a useful tool and should be part of the conversation, I guess, but I have my doubts. If the team wins a game by knocking out the pitcher early, and then runs up a 17-2 score against increasingly weaker pitchers (which seemed to happen with unusual frequency in this highly volatile season), but they lose 6-5 the next day, they look bad Pythagoras-wise. But were they? I don't know. I know you're not saying that, but I'm asking.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2017 04:36 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Edgy MD wrote: Do you think the Pythagorean differential is a good metric to judge a manager on? Not particularly. It's why I said that I doubt the front office was going to hang that on him because if they did they'd have to totally ignore his 'over' achievement the previous season. I mean I suppose one could rationalize saying that the manager won "only" 7 more games out of a team which just improved from -20 runs to +198 over one season (as the '16 to '17 Yanx did) so whatsupwitdat? but I think that's missing several forests while examining trees.

metsmarathon Oct 26 2017 04:46 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

i feel like they're going to bring in dusty baker....

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2017 05:00 PM Re: LOL Yankees

dgwphotography wrote: I think he'll land in Florida, closer to home. He lives in Westchester, not that millionaires can't have two homes. If I were him I'd retire. After nine years of being the manager of the best, most successful, most respected, most ring-wearin', most patriotic, most roll-calling, and most monument parked, most intangibled and most numbers retired sports franchise how could you look yourself in the mirror and shave in the morning and go manage the Marlins or the Nationals? Go away Joe, and take that smirky puss with you. Oh, and LOL Yankees.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 26 2017 05:24 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is the part I didn't get either and was biting my lip all along to refrain from commenting on. The team was a hair away from winning the pennant and going to the WS and you're all mocking them because your 70 win team .... did what exactly? Well the thread was titled back in [crossout]February or so[/crossout] late January so it's not like the season results were in at that point. That's so hubris.

Ceetar Oct 26 2017 05:28 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

better hope I don't get to the 2018 thread first, because I'm thinking of circus-themed thread titles taunting them and their dysfunctional organization. REEKS of Steinbrenner meddling. nostalgic if that nostalgia time wasn't mostly before I was aware of it. The Red Sox fired their playoff manager, the Yankees gotta keep pace.

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2017 05:40 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Sitting here wondering what the Steingrabber Era would have been like if he had a Twitter account to punch Billy daily in the face with.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2017 05:43 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

He'd probably be considered a Presidential contender.

41Forever Oct 26 2017 07:12 PM Re: LOL Yankees

Centerfield wrote: Maybe it serves us right that our 2017 MFY thread was titled "LOL Yankees" and they were one fucking game away from the World Series. In 2018 lets' just go back to calling them dickheads. The thread was called "LOL Yankees" because I was poking fun at the hideous spring training caps they had just unveiled. Supposedly this is the Yankees' new spring training cap. Not even St. Derek could make this better. Though if you placed the cap on the ground between third and second if would have more range than Jeter did. That said, I haven't seen the Mets new spring cap. Hopefully it's not this bad. I'm sad that Mr. Met is being removed from the blue jerseys.

metirish Oct 26 2017 07:13 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Francesa probably saw this coming , anyone tuning into him?

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2017 07:19 PM Re: LOL Yankees

41Forever wrote: The thread was called "LOL Yankees" because I was poking fun at the hideous spring training caps they had just unveiled. Si, y Los Mets de Nueva York were equally LOL'd... d'Kong76 wrote: LOL Mets

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2017 07:26 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

metirish wrote: Francesa probably saw this coming ... Yes, but is only revealing now that he knew it all along.

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2017 07:33 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

NY will miss his insight, ya know he called the Kennedy assassination.

41Forever Oct 26 2017 08:24 PM Re: LOL Yankees

d'Kong76 wrote: The thread was called "LOL Yankees" because I was poking fun at the hideous spring training caps they had just unveiled. Si, y Los Mets de Nueva York were equally LOL'd... d'Kong76 wrote: LOL Mets I love that cap! It was hard to find. It was my go-to cap all season!

41Forever Oct 26 2017 08:27 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

So what's the real reason he's getting the boot, and what happened to MLB's "no news during the World Series" edict?

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2017 08:28 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

No accounting for taste (or lack thereof) haha...

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2017 08:30 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

41Forever wrote: So what's the real reason he's getting the boot, and what happened to MLB's "no news during the World Series" edict? I always understood the rule to be no news that will interfere with game coverage. I think it was okay for the Yankees to fire Girardi on a travel day. But did they in fact announce anything? Or did this story leak out?

Ceetar Oct 26 2017 08:30 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

41Forever wrote: So what's the real reason he's getting the boot, and what happened to MLB's "no news during the World Series" edict? it was never really an edict and it went out the window years ago.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 08:32 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

The funny thing is that the edict was issued in response to the Yankees firing of a manager. Like, back in 1985 or something.

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2017 08:37 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Besides, it's an off day.

MFS62 Oct 26 2017 09:01 PM Re: LOL Yankees

d'Kong76 wrote: He lives in Westchester, not that millionaires can't have two homes. And he is said to have a third, on Candlewood Lake, because he is frequently seen, and photographed, at the local pizzeria here in my home CT town (as I may have mentioned in one of the pizza threads) and the pictures show up in the local weekly paper. I've planned that if and when I see him, I'd say, "I remember you when you were a backup catcher on the Cubs". Later

41Forever Oct 27 2017 01:23 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Mike & Mike today, briefly acknowledging that baseball exists, discussed the Girardi dismissal, and noted that someone described him as "a closed fist." The suggestion was that Cashman wanted someone to guide the next generation of MFYs who wasn't quite as uptight.

Valadius Oct 27 2017 10:38 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Word out of DC is that the Nats are out on Girardi because they don't believe in paying their managers big contracts.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2017 11:14 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Yeah, money was a bigger reason for the Nats not re-upping Baker than it was for the Yanx not re-upping Girardi so there's not way Washington is going to swap one out for the other. Girardi was already higher paid than Dusty and, being younger, is also going to want a longer term deal. Recently canned Red Sox mgr John Farrell is going to interview with the Nats but beyond that I'm not sure where they're going. Both these cases are interesting in that the teams are going to wind up with managers with a lot less experience than the ones they just got rid of which, considering the expectations -- one team stacked with young players and being one win from getting to the WS, while the other is coming off 94 & 97 win seasons and entering the final year of both Harper's and Murphy's deals -- the stakes for both are only going to ratchet up from here.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2017 01:35 AM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Francesa probably saw this coming ... Yes, but is only revealing now that he knew it all along. Turns out we're both prescient: From Phil Mushnick's NY Post column today: ... after Francesa mistreated a caller "as a know-nothing" for suggesting last week that Girardi could be out ... once Girardi’s removal was announced Francesa then "claimed he knew as far back as July that the Girardi-Yankees relationship was near its contentious end! And he knew it when their eyes met during the ALCS in Yankee Stadium!"

d'Kong76 Oct 29 2017 02:01 AM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

Frayed Knot wrote: "... he knew it when their eyes met during the ALCS in Yankee Stadium!" A restless eye across a weary room A glazed look, that's when Mike saw the road to ruin

MFS62 Oct 29 2017 01:41 PM Re: Girardi's Head Rolls (split from LOL Yankees)

That blowhard reminds me of the famous Lucy (from Peanuts) line: "I never make mistakes. I thought I made one once, but I was wrong". Later