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Mets All-Time World Series Team

G-Fafif Oct 26 2017 08:47 PM

Just read the wire service story on the Mets' all-time World Series roster in advance of the Fall Fantasy Classic versus their American League opponents. I know Hodges was sort of constrained, having to pick five guys each from the 1969, 1973, 1986, 2000 and 2015 teams, but he wound up leaving off a lot of good players. Still a pretty talented bunch. NEW YORK METS FALL FANTASY CLASSIC ROSTER PITCHERS Koosman, Jerry (LHP) – 1969 Leiter, Al (LHP) – 2000 McGraw, Tug (LHP) – 1973 Ojeda, Bobby (LHP) – 1986 Reed, Rick (RHP) – 2000 Ryan, Nolan (RHP) – 1969 Seaver, Tom (RHP) –1973 Stone, George (LHP) – 1973 Syndergaard, Noah (RHP) – 2015 Wendell, Turk (RHP) – 2000 CATCHERS Carter, Gary (R) – 1986 Piazza, Mike (R) – 2000 INFIELDERS Alfonzo, Edgardo (R) – 2000 Backman, Wally (S) – 1986 Clendenon, Donn (R) – 1969 Harrelson, Bud (R) – 1973 Hernandez, Keith (L) – 1986 Uribe, Juan (R) – 2015 Weis, Al (S) – 1969 Wright, David (R) – 2015 OUTFIELDERS Agee, Tommie (R) – 1969 Cespedes, Yoenis (R) – 2015 Granderson, Curtis (L) – 2015 Staub, Rusty (L) – 1973 Strawberry, Darryl (L) – 1986 MANAGER: Gil Hodges COACHES: Yogi Berra (Pitching), Terry Collins (Bullpen), Davey Johnson (First Base), Bobby Valentine (Third Base) NOTE: Fall Fantasy Classic roster must consist of five players apiece from each New York Mets World Series roster. If a player is injured during the Classic, he may be replaced, but only by a member of his year’s World Series roster.

Edgy MD Oct 26 2017 08:57 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

INFIELDERS Alfonzo, Edgardo (R) – 2000 Backman, Wally (S) – 1986 Clendenon, Donn (R) – 1969 Harrelson, Bud (R) – 1973 Hernandez, Keith (L) – 1986 Uribe, Juan (R) – 2015 Weis, Al (S) – 1969 Wright, David (R) – 2015 Man, this week is just not breaking well for Ray Knight.

G-Fafif Oct 26 2017 08:58 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy MD wrote: Man, this week is just not breaking well for Ray Knight. Yeah, judging by the reaction he gave in the story, he was pissed.

sharpie Oct 26 2017 09:09 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Juan Uribe is happy and surprised to be on the team.

Centerfield Oct 26 2017 09:28 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Saw Timo Perez slamming his locker and stomping out of the room in anger.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 26 2017 09:43 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Somewhere, it's 1973 and Jon Matlack and his 0.900 WHIP in 16+ innings are pissed that George Stone was picked over him. A first pass at Earl Weaver's picks for the opposition: Pitchers: Dave McNally (1969) Mike Cuellar (1969) Bruce Hurst (1986) Roger F. Clemens (2000) Johnny Cueto (2015) Andy Pettitte (2000) Darold Knowles (1973) Rollie Fingers (1973) Infielders: Bert Campaneris (1973) Eric Hosmer (2015) Ben Zobrist (2015) Mike Moustakas (2015) Wade Boggs (1986) Marty Barrett (1986) Boog Powell (1969) Mark Belanger (1969) THIRD BASEMAN Derek F. Jeter (2000) Outfielders: Reggie Jackson (1973) Joe Rudi (1973) Paul O'Neill (2000) Jim Rice (1986) Dwight Evans (1986) Frank Robinson (1969) Catchers: Salvador Perez (2015) Jorge Posada (2000) If you think I need another pitcher, add Jim Palmer (who had a crappy Series) and cut Mark Belanger. Mets sweep, of course. The Steinbrenners fire Weaver at the end of the WS.

cooby Oct 27 2017 12:12 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I'd have picked Grote

Vic Sage Oct 27 2017 03:47 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

where can you find the WS rosters for each of those years? I can find the rosters for those seasons, but not specifically the WS rosters.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 27 2017 04:17 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Baseball Reference has the pitching and hitting stats, though not the actual rosters.

Edgy MD Oct 27 2017 05:24 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Centerfield wrote: Saw Timo Perez slamming his locker and stomping out of the room in anger. Knowing Timo, he probably stomped out at half speed, and Zeile wasn't exactly riding up his tail.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2017 05:25 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

cooby wrote: I'd have picked Grote Grote was terrific, but he's not nearly at the level of Gary Carter and Mike Piazza.

Centerfield Oct 27 2017 06:05 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy MD wrote: Centerfield wrote: Saw Timo Perez slamming his locker and stomping out of the room in anger. Knowing Timo, he probably stomped out at half speed, and Zeile wasn't exactly riding up his tail. This memory hurts. In both of our last Game 1's, we made asshead plays and blew 1 run leads in the 9th. Stupid Mets. We should have 4 WS Championships.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2017 06:59 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I'd also like to buy back those last two games in Oakland in 1973.

41Forever Oct 27 2017 07:07 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd also like to buy back those last two games in Oakland in 1973. Would have been a very sweet victory!

Centerfield Oct 27 2017 07:11 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

So of the three we lost, which one do you reverse? If it were me, alone, I'd pick 2000. No question about it. But I think now, I'd pick 2015, so my kids could feel the joy of a World Series victory at the point in their lives where it means the most.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2017 07:15 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I think I'd reverse 2000, only because of the opponent. I'm not sure that 2015 would mean the most to your kids. (It would mean more than 2000 would, of course, but perhaps not more than 2023 would. Or will.) I was 10 in 1973, but I don't think a win in that Series would have meant as much to me as 1986 did, when I was 23. At that age, I was old enough to appreciate how special it was, but young enough to have it mean the world to me.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2017 07:24 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

1973 was when I really was getting into this whole life-long Mets obsession and for some reason for many years them winning the pennant seemed like a much bigger deal to me that it did in 2000 and 2015. Most disappointing for me was 2000 (I had season tickets and went to a lot of both regular and post-season games/and it was the Yankees), 2015, and then 1973.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2017 07:46 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

The Mets who were on World Series rosters but didn't see action... 1969: DiLauro, Koonce, McAndrew, McGraw 1973: Capra, Dyer, McAndrew 1986: Hearn, Niemann 2015: Plawecki McGraw was a big part of the 1973 Series and Dyer got an AB in 1969. Jim McAndrew was a spectator both times he was named. Bobby V used all 25 of his men in 2000.

Vic Sage Oct 27 2017 08:20 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

i'm not sure if this exercise is about naming the guys on those world series rosters (5 from each team) who played the best in that series (like Weis), or in that season (like deGrom), in their Met careers (Strawberry), or based on their entire careers (Staub). He's got guys from all of those categories, so its unclear to me what is trying to be accomplished. If i were just to pick the "5 best Mets" from the rosters of those WS teams (5 per team), my 25-man roster would be: C - Piazza (00) 1b - Hernandez (86) 2b - Alfonzo (00) SS - Harrelson (69) [Reyes not on a WS roster; Hojo = `86 team] 3b - Wright (15) Lf - Jones (69) Cf - Cespedes (15) [Beltran not on a WS roster] RF - Strawberry (86) C2 - Carter (86) Of - Agee (69) Of - Granderson (15) [Dykstra, Wilson = `86] IF/of - Staub (73) UT - Garrett (73) [Hojo, Mitchell = `86] Sp - Seaver (69) Sp - Kooz* (73) Sp - Gooden (86) Sp - Leiter* (00) Sp - Matlack (73) [Darling, Fernandez, Ojeda = 86] Cl - McGraw* (73) Cl,Set - Benitez (00) Cl,Set - Orosco* (86) MI - Familia (15) [McDowell = `86] MI - Franco* (00) Sp/Rp - Ryan* (69) Sp/Rp - DeGrom or Syndegaard (15) [Darling, Fernandez, Ojeda = 86] The "5 per team" rule really screws the `86 team

41Forever Oct 27 2017 08:48 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

G-Fafif wrote: The Mets who were on World Series rosters but didn't see action... 1969: DiLauro, Koonce, McAndrew, McGraw 1973: Capra, Dyer, McAndrew 1986: Hearn, Niemann 2015: Plawecki McGraw was a big part of the 1973 Series and Dyer got an AB in 1969. Jim McAndrew was a spectator both times he was named. Bobby V used all 25 of his men in 2000. Was Matt Reynolds on the 2015 World Series roster, or was that just the LCS? I remember thinking that it would have been cool for him to make his Major League debut in the postseason!

Edgy MD Oct 27 2017 08:54 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Yes, he was. The funny thing was that Kansas City instead had a player make his MLB debut in the World Series. I think he was the first player to do so in like 85 years or something.

seawolf17 Oct 27 2017 08:55 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy MD wrote: Yes, he was. The funny thing was that Kansas City instead had a player make his MLB debut in the World Series. I think he was the first player to do so in like 85 years or something. Raul Mondesi Jr., yes.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2017 08:57 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I may not be remembering correctly, but I think Reynolds was on the 2015 NLCS roster, but not on the World Series roster because Uribe was activated. Unless Uribe displaced someone else...

Ashie62 Oct 27 2017 09:46 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Poor Ron Swoboda!

Gwreck Oct 27 2017 11:05 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reynolds was on the 2015 NLCS roster, but not on the World Series roster because Uribe was activated Accurate.

cooby Oct 28 2017 12:17 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Benjamin Grimm wrote: cooby wrote: I'd have picked Grote Grote was terrific, but he's not nearly at the level of Gary Carter and Mike Piazza. Wasn't jerry Grote on two Ws teams?

Ashie62 Oct 28 2017 12:34 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Benjamin Grimm wrote: cooby wrote: I'd have picked Grote Grote was terrific, but he's not nearly at the level of Gary Carter and Mike Piazza. Yeah, but Piazza didn't do anything.

cooby Oct 28 2017 01:29 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 28 2017 02:30 PM

Pretty GD sure I mentioned Jerry Grote's TWO WS appearances here but I don't see it Blind moment

cooby Oct 28 2017 01:31 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Thank you ashie. Quality in memories

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2017 01:35 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ashie62 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: cooby wrote: I'd have picked Grote Grote was terrific, but he's not nearly at the level of Gary Carter and Mike Piazza. Yeah, but Piazza didn't do anything. Not sure that I'd consider 6-for-22 incl. 2 doubles & 2 HRs with 3 runs scored and 4 batted in over 5 games to be "not anything"

d'Kong76 Oct 28 2017 01:40 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

cooby wrote: Pretty GD sure I mentioned Jerry Grote's TWO WS appearances here but I don't see it It's the post before the post above this one. Players are gonna get left out, doesn't mean we didn't love Grote to the max. (the crowd moans)

cooby Oct 28 2017 02:35 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

You know..I had an argument but never mind.

Mets Willets Point Oct 28 2017 03:30 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

The opponents roster made me realize that Roger F. Clemens is the only person to face the Mets in two different World Series, unless I'm overlooking someone else.

d'Kong76 Oct 28 2017 10:20 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

cooby wrote: You know..I had an argument but never mind. Piazza > Carter > Grote is pretty tough to argue against. I suppose one could bring up years of service or something for starters but...

cooby Oct 28 2017 02:29 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ah, just thinking maybe we could have three catches and leave off an infielder. But you'd have to leave off an infielder from one of those years

MFS62 Oct 28 2017 09:11 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

d'Kong76 wrote: Players are gonna get left out, doesn't mean we didn't love Grote to the max. (the crowd moans) Kase, I didn't moan. I've been laughing at that since you posted it, but didn't have a chance to give you kudos. That one deserves a standing O. (well, maybe an OOOOOOOOH ) Later

Edgy MD Oct 28 2017 09:24 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I was thinking the third catcher might be J.C. Martin. Only one plate appearance, and it goes into the books as an 0-1, but what a monumental tipping point of a plate appearance.

cooby Oct 28 2017 11:36 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

O. M. G. Yes much better than Grote. What was I thinking

Edgy MD Oct 29 2017 02:16 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: cooby wrote: I'd have picked Grote Grote was terrific, but he's not nearly at the level of Gary Carter and Mike Piazza. Yeah, but Piazza didn't do anything. Not sure that I'd consider 6-for-22 incl. 2 doubles & 2 HRs with 3 runs scored and 4 batted in over 5 games to be "not anything" Ashie's long had a block about Piazza and the World Series. C'mon, Ashie! Piazza was the chips!

Ashie62 Oct 29 2017 03:52 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I am one of those people who lost most of their respect for Mike when he let Clemens off the hook. The one game suspension of Mike might have boosted the Mets morale. All in all Piazza couldn't wear Grote's jock. And how do you feel about this F.A.F.I.F.?

Edgy MD Oct 29 2017 05:19 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ashie62 wrote: I am one of those people who lost most of their respect for Mike when he let Clemens off the hook. And you get all the facts wrong and disappear when they are brought to light. The umpires, Frank Robinson, and Bud Selig let Clemens off the hook. Ashie62 wrote: The one game suspension of Mike might have boosted the Mets morale. I know a player cannot negotiate the exact punishment you would hope for, nor the outcome. Ashie62 wrote: All in all Piazza couldn't wear Grote's jock. Couldn't be more untrue. This is just romanticizing the past.

cooby Oct 29 2017 05:25 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy take it from those of us who are old enough to remember Grote

Edgy MD Oct 29 2017 05:29 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

I'm plenty old, believe me. And Grote's photo hangs on my wall.

d'Kong76 Oct 29 2017 05:46 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ashie62 wrote: All in all Piazza couldn't wear Grote's jock. It's carry, not wear. Some clothing/equipment is not meant to be shared. Grote couldn't carry Mike's ten Silver Slugger Awards.

cooby Oct 29 2017 06:33 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Well never mind. I'm wrong of course

d'Kong76 Oct 29 2017 06:51 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Nah, I'm just busting Ashie's jock-sharing pelotas. Grote deserves his own thread.

G-Fafif Oct 29 2017 07:24 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ashie62 wrote: I am one of those people who lost most of their respect for Mike when he let Clemens off the hook. The one game suspension of Mike might have boosted the Mets morale. All in all Piazza couldn't wear Grote's jock. And how do you feel about this F.A.F.I.F.? I feel jock sizes weren't in listed in contemporary media guides and I can't find them on Baseball Reference.

Ashie62 Oct 29 2017 09:47 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy MD wrote: I'm plenty old, believe me. And Grote's photo hangs on my wall. Old enough to see Grote in 1969 and 1973? You are lucky if it is true.

G-Fafif Oct 29 2017 11:40 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Earl Weaver (presumably in consultation with Brian Cashman and Charlie Finley) has made his decisions. The Mets Opponents Fall Fantasy Classic roster is intriguing, to say the least. AMERICAN LEAGUE FALL FANTASY CLASSIC ROSTER PITCHERS Cuellar, Mike (LHP) – 1969 BAL Cueto, Johnny (RHP) – 2015 KCR Fingers, Rollie (RHP) – 1973 OAK Hunter, Catfish (RHP) – 1973 OAK Hurst, Bruce (LHP) – 1986 BOS Knowles, Darold (LHP) – 1973 OAK Pettitte, Andy (LHP) – 2000 NYY Rivera, Mariano (RHP) – 2000 NYY Stanton, Mike (LHP) – 2000 NYY Young, Chris (RHP) – 2015 NYY CATCHERS Dalrymple, Clay (L) – 1969 BAL Perez, Salvador (R) – 2015 KCR INFIELDERS Barrett, Marty (R) – 1986 BOS Boggs, Wade (L) – 1986 BOS Buckner, Bill (L) – 1986 BOS Campaneris, Bert (R) – 1973 OAK Martinez, Tino (L) – 2000 NYY Robinson, Brooks (R) – 1969 BAL Zobrist, Ben (S) – 2015 KCR OUTFIELDERS Buford, Don (S) – 1969 BAL Cain, Lorenzo (R) – 2015 KCR Jackson, Reggie (L) – 1973 OAK Rice, Jim (R) – 1986 BOS Robinson, Frank (R) – 1969 BAL Williams, Bernie (S) – 2000 NYY MANAGER: Earl Weaver COACHES: John McNamara (Pitching), Joe Torre (Third Base), Dick Williams (First Base), Ned Yost (Bullpen) NOTE: Fall Fantasy Classic roster must consist of five players apiece from each New York Mets World Series opponent roster. If a player is injured during the Classic, he may be replaced, but only by a member of his year’s World Series roster.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2017 12:19 AM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Ha! Jeter!

MFS62 Oct 30 2017 12:31 PM Re: Mets All-Time World Series Team

Edgy MD wrote: Ha! Jeter! Well, Weaver always said the keys to winning were pitching, defense, and three run homers. Snicker. Later A day without a slam at Jeter is like a day without sunshine.