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41Forever
Oct 15 2017 11:13 PM

The Dire Straits discussion and the tangent about the near-perfection of Making Movies had me thinking about albums that actually are perfect.

I'm talking about every single track being solid. No filler, so songs that you immediately skip.

I bet everyone has a couple albums that they think are perfection, cut-for-cut.

I offer for discussion Moving Pictures by Rush.



While much of the music from the 1980s sounds dated -- and in some cases, that its charm -- all the songs on Moving Pictures still sound fresh and exciting. They are timeless.

“Tom Sawyer”

“Tom Sawyer” is “the music of the universe” according to an episode of Chuck, with the song serving a central role in the plot. Most groups have songs that you know they absolutely will not be allowed off the stage without playing. Rush has two, and this is one of them.

“Red Barchetta”

The lyrics were inspired by the short story “A Nice Morning Drive” by Richard S. Foster. Set in a future when cars are banned, our protagonist goes for a ride in a brilliant red Barchetta preserved by his uncle and encounters the authorities, whom he eludes after a high-speed chase. Neil tells it better, of course. But all high-school boys love the idea of rebelling against the authorities.


“YYZ”

This is a tale of heartache, which is pretty neat for an instrumental.

I wrote concert and album reviews for the high school paper. It was, perhaps, the only thing I did that was cool.

The sporadic publishing schedule meant that an issue included both my glowing album review of Moving Pictures and an equally glowing review of the tour stop at the Nassau Coliseum.

Now, like any good Rush-obsessed fan, I was aware that YYZ was the three-letter airport code for the airport in the band’s native Toronto. I also knew that the opening notes of the song were those letters in Morse code. I even knew that, being Canadians, the guys in Rush pronounced the letter Z “zed.”

In those days, we wrote our stories on a typewriter and turned them over to the editors who turned them over to someone else to typeset. This was a dangerous thing, as I learned. The morning the papers were delivered, I rushed to the stack to see both my reviews in print and bask in the praise.

Then I read the copy. Someone – the editor, the typesetter, who knows – either decided I didn’t know what I was talking about or wasn’t paying much attention and changed “YYZ” to “XYZ.” They did this in both reviews.

There was much sorrow and humiliation. Because, for the rest of the day, people stopped me in the corridor to inform me that the name of the song was “YYZ,” not “XYZ.”

I will get over this someday – but not any time soon.

“Limelight”

“Limelight” is a top-five Rush song and has always been a favorite. But I didn’t quite understand the full meaning of the lyrics until I read "Roadshow," one of Neil’s travel books, where he writes about riding his motorcycle between shows.

Throughout the book, Peart tells about how he is uncomfortable meeting fans, leaving that role to Alex and Geddy. He’s uneasy with the trappings of rock stardom, which is fine.

“Cast in this unlikely role, ill-equipped to act with insufficient tact. One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.”

And:

“Living in a fisheye lens, caught in the camera eye. I have no heart to lie. I can’t pretend a stranger is a long-awaited friend.”

So if you run into Neil, don’t tell him how “Time Stand Still” changed your life and ask for an autograph. Just say “Thank you for the music” and move on.

“The Camera Eye”

This is a Rush song about New York. Do I need to say more?

“The Camera Eye” – the phrase doesn’t appear in the song – actually compares the homeland and London. Clocking in at nearly 11 minutes, it was the last of the long Rush songs. And all of it is glorious.

“Witch Hunt”

I had a really cool creative writing teacher who allowed us to bring in a song that we thought had great lyrics and play it in class.

If you’ve read this far, you knew I was going to use this opportunity before a captive audience to extoll the virtues of Rush. I settled upon “Witch Hunt,” with its soaring keyboards and haunting lyrics about prejudice and fear.

I remember beaming as one classmate said, “That was pretty cool.” Any opportunity to spread appreciation for Rush.

“Vital Signs”

Moving Pictures ends with the fairly experimental, “Vital Signs” which merges reggae and electronica to create a Rush classic.

The lyrics are unusual by Neil standards. But he ends with the phrases “Everybody got to deviate from the norm” and “Everybody got to elevate from the norm.” When you are a teenage boy who feels like an outcast much of the time, this is a rallying cry.

The album cover

I was allowed to tag along when my boss visited Toronto in 2013. Our agenda that day included a meeting with the premier of Ontario. As I sat in her outer office, it occurred to me that I was not just sitting in a beautiful and historic Canadian building. I was sitting in the Ontario Legislative Building.

Had we arrived at the main entrance, and not a side entrance closer to the street, I would have seen the three distinctive arches and short steps -- the cover of Moving Pictures.

What albums do you think are perfect?

RealityChuck
Oct 15 2017 11:43 PM
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The Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus by Spirit. Every song on it is a classic.
Emitt Rhodes. The perfect pop album. Criminally mis-promoted by the record Company, any song on the album could have been a hit.
John Barleycorn Must Die by Traffic.
Who's Next
It's a Beautiful Day - mostly soft rock. The violin as lead instrument sets them apart.
The first three Bonzo Dog Band albums are musical insanity at its best.
In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson
Soft Machine Third - jazz/rock/progressive fusion.
Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross (aka The Hottest New Group in Jazz) -- amazing vocalists who would take complex jazz intrumental solos, add lyrics, and sing the parts.

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 12:03 AM
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Ramones - Ramones
The Clash - The Clash

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 12:40 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2017 11:15 AM

I'm a little bummed to find out Red Barchetta was based on a short story.
For me it was an embellished memory of a real uncle/real car and now...

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... it's not.

RealityChuck
Oct 16 2017 12:57 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2017 02:26 AM

Since you're doing a track-by-track discussion of Rush, I'll do Twelve Dreams


Prelude/Nothing to Hide
Starting with an acoustic guitar, "Prelude" starts out soft but quickly segues into the rocking "Nothing to Hide." As one of the group says "funky."

Nature's Way.
The album's single even though it's not really single material. Acoustic guitar as the group (there are three lead singers; I assume the lead vocal is Randy California*, who wrote the song). The lyrics are "It's nature's way of telling you something's wrong" and refer to the then current phrase "Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down." Another reason why it was a poor choice for a single.

Animal Zoo.
Another rocker starting out with California's funky guitar riff and Jay ("Thunder Island") Ferguson's strong vocal.

"Love Has Found a Way"
A medium-tempo love song, starting with a reversed guitar and a strong beat.

Why Can't I Be Free?
Randy California was a master at beautiful melodies and this short snippet (just over a minute) is one of his best. It's a plea for someone to help learn freedom.

Mr. Skin
Hard rock again, with a horn section adding to it. It seems to be about Ed Cassidy (Randy California's stepdad). He was the face of the group -- older, of course, and with a shaved head when that was a rarity.

Space Child
An instrumental by keyboard player John Locke.

When I Touch You
An intense Jay Ferguson love song.

Street Worm
Not a good title, but it's another rocking song from Ferguson.

Life Has Just Begun
Another Randy California tune about the start of a relationship.

Morning Has Come
This should have been the single. Catchy rocker from California.

Soldier
Once again, a beautiful melody from California. Segues into "Nothing to Hide" from the first side.

At the time it was recorded, the group was breaking up. Ferguson and California were going in different directions, and Mark Andes, their bassist, was also thinking of moving on. They knew this would be the last thing they recorded together and put all their effort into making it a masterpiece.

But Lou Adler, who ran the label, went from Epic to A&M and the record company didn't push the album as well as it could have. Andes formed Jo Jo Gunne, Ferguson had a solo career, and California also went solo. Locke and Cassidy added a guitarist and bassist and recorded one album that was a disappointment (though it's not too bad taken alone). California would rejoin the group and they continued to tour until his death in 1997.**

Here's the full album:
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*Real name, Randy Wolfe. He was dubbed "Randy California" by Jimi Hendrix.
**Perhaps the most heroic death for any rock star: He died while saving his son from being taking in a rip current. His son survived, but he drowned.

Fman99
Oct 16 2017 01:08 AM
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The first two albums by the Band, "Music from Big Pink" and the self titled follow up, are perfect. I wouldn't change a single track on either of them. They, more than any of their later work, allow for a description summed up as "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts."

I'd also list "Quadrophenia" as a perfect album. I'm a sucker for great music and songs that reference other songs on the record. The album has two great instrumentals, the songs "The Rock" and the title track, that tie in the themes of the individual songs together so well.

I'll have to ponder this one, I suspect I'll come up with more choices.

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 01:13 AM
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Quadrophenia! Good call, added to my list.

41Forever
Oct 16 2017 02:25 AM
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Chuck, I've never heard of that band or that album, but sounds like I'll check it out!

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2017 02:57 AM
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Tough to argue against BLOOD ON THE TRACKS

Tangled up in Blue
Simple Twist of Fate
You're a Big Girl Now
Idiot Wind
You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go

Meet Me in the Morning
Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts
If You See Her, Say Hello
Shelter From the Storm
Buckets of Rain

41Forever
Oct 16 2017 03:23 AM
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Kiss Destroyer

A lot of fans might go for Alive, but that drum solo in 100,000 Years is really long and very skippable, so it's a tick below perfection.

But Destroyer doesn't have a bad cut.

Detroit Rock City
King of the Night Time World
God of Thunder
Great Expectations
Flaming Youth
Sweet Pain
Shout it Out Loud
Beth
Do You Love Me?

On any given night, the band is sure to play a minimum of three of these songs -- Detroit, Shout and Thunder -- and the last tour included Flaming Youth, Do You Love Me? And Beth.

There's a lot of Bob Ezrin here, to be sure. And that hasn't always been good for the band. But it clicked for Destroyer.

Even the cover art was pretty special. Good stuff!

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2017 05:17 AM
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Chuck, I've never heard of that band or that album, but sounds like I'll check it out!


You must not be paying attention. Chuck loves that album and finds a way to bring it up here at least twice a year. I have that CD and think it's pretty damn good, myself. Don't know if it's perfect per the thread definition, but pretty damn good, like I said.

Chuck: Ever see that obscure 60s film, Model Shop? If you haven't, you'd like it.

seawolf17
Oct 16 2017 01:26 PM
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Thanks for the tip on that, Chuck. Somehow I'd never heard of it either and I'll have to check it out. I've got three that immediately jump to mind.

Dream Theater - Images & Words
Thunder - Laughing on Judgment Day
Counting Crows - August & Everything After

I could listen to nothing but those three records in a constant loop for eternity.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2017 01:39 PM
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I see seawolf's name pop up at the bottom of this thread and I think, "Thunder's coming."

MFS62
Oct 16 2017 02:25 PM
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Stan Freberg Presents the United States of America:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Freb ... arly_Years
A listening MUST every 4th of July.

Later

seawolf17
Oct 16 2017 05:19 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I see seawolf's name pop up at the bottom of this thread and I think, "Thunder's coming."

Pretty safe bet, yes. But they've released plenty of pap; it's really that one record that is "perfect" to me.

Ashie62
Oct 16 2017 07:20 PM
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SEX PISTOLS- NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS

WE MEAN IT MAN!!!

Ashie62
Oct 16 2017 07:26 PM
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Rolling Stones- "Some Girls"

Some girls just wanna get ------ all night but I don't have that much jam.

Ashie62
Oct 16 2017 07:31 PM
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One more... The Heartbreakers- LAMF

Thunders wanted to name it Lazy Azz Moth-- Fu----s

Out 40 years this month.

Johnny Thunders
Walter Lure
Billy Rath
Jerry Nolan

Richard Hell- fired.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2017 07:36 PM
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I see Ashie's name pop up at the bottom of this thread and I think, "Thunders is coming."

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 07:54 PM
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For me Some Girls sucked so bad that it was good. Perfect? Hardly.

sharpie
Oct 16 2017 07:57 PM
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Yeah, if you were going with a Rolling Stones album I would go with either Let It Bleed or Stickyfingers.

dgwphotography
Oct 16 2017 08:31 PM
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Donald Fagen - The Nightfly

41Forever
Oct 16 2017 08:53 PM
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I've been thinking about this gem. Some of Aerosmith's best work, to be sure. I'm wondering if "Round and Round" makes it fall short of perfection. It's skippable. But I always listened back when I used vinyl because I really liked "You See Me Crying."



1. "Toys in the Attic"
2. "Uncle Salty"
3. "Adam's Apple"
4. "Walk This Way" T
5. "Big Ten Inch Record"
6. "Sweet Emotion"
7. "No More No More"
8. "Round and Round"
9. "You See Me Crying"

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 09:08 PM
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The follow up, Rocks, is on the required-listening list for Metal 101.

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Ashie62
Oct 16 2017 10:37 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
For me Some Girls sucked so bad that it was good. Perfect? Hardly.


I could go with "Exile on Main Street."

Let it Bleed and Sticky Fingers are hard for me cause I was too young.

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2017 10:42 PM
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Oh snap, we have to be around the same age. I'm 55*.

* - it's the new 37

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2017 10:43 PM
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I liked 'SOME GIRLS' but, yeah, not where I'd start with Mick and the lads.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2017 11:57 PM
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The four album run from Beggars Banquet to Let It Bleed to Sticky Fingers to Exile on Main Street is as good as it gets.

Some Girls is something a druggy, disco-era adventure. Fun, but spotty, with some outright misfiring. When it's strong, though, it's pretty damn strong.

Fman99
Oct 17 2017 12:05 AM
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dgwphotography wrote:
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly


Yeah, man, I put this on my list. I also listen to every track from "The Royal Scam," I don't see any real weak links there either.

41Forever
Oct 17 2017 12:26 AM
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Thinking about this one:



Black Dog
Rock and Roll
Battle of Evermore
Some song about a stairway

Misty Mountain Hop
Four Sticks
Going to California
When the Levee Breaks

I'm on the fence, wondering if Four Sticks is enough to make it a tick below perfection.

d'Kong76
Oct 17 2017 12:56 AM
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A Boy Named Seo
Oct 17 2017 01:59 AM
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How is this thing 30 posts deep and no Beatles?

Sgt. Pepper just because, Radiohead's brilliant OK Computer, and fellow 10.0 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot by Wilco.

Ashie62
Oct 17 2017 02:26 AM
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Gary Numan "The Pleasure Principle

"Airlane" – 3:18
"Metal" – 3:32
"Complex" – 3:12
"Films" – 4:09
"M.E." – 5:37
"Tracks" – 2:51
"Observer" – 2:53
"Conversation" – 7:36
"Cars" – 3:58
"Engineers" – 4:01

Not a stinker on it.

sharpie
Oct 17 2017 01:21 PM
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How is this thing 30 posts deep and no Beatles?


Mostly because Beatles albums often have one clunker, usually either sung by Ringo or Paul doing his music hall schtick. I would agree that Sgt. Pepper is the best candidate for a seamless Beatles album. Some might find fault with She's Leaving Home or Good Morning, Good Morning but both those songs work for me.

41Forever
Oct 17 2017 01:47 PM
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sharpie wrote:
How is this thing 30 posts deep and no Beatles?


Mostly because Beatles albums often have one clunker, usually either sung by Ringo or Paul doing his music hall schtick. I would agree that Sgt. Pepper is the best candidate for a seamless Beatles album. Some might find fault with She's Leaving Home or Good Morning, Good Morning but both those songs work for me.


I was debating about Abbey Road, wondering if "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" would sink it.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 02:01 PM
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I've got plenty of love for "IWY (SSH)." If that same track came off a Zeppelin album, they'd never stop playing it. Also, SPLHCB is maybe the fourth-best Beatles album.

Perfection is hard for acts that push envelopes, because high risk means occasional failures.

To my definition, a "perfect album" is going to be all songs that are, on a scale of 1-10, a 9 or 10 or Super-10. Since it's hard to get a Ringo song above a 6, it's hard to get a perfect Beatles album, even if their discs may be better, and have more Super-10s, than another band's "perfect" album.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 17 2017 02:14 PM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2017 02:26 PM

Exile or GTFO.

Velvet Underground and Nico.

Innervisions.

Seconded on both OK Computer and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

Revolver over Pepper. Stronger top to bottom.

Did I miss anyone bringing up LZ IV? I did? Okay, then-- Led Zeppelin I.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 02:19 PM
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Now you're talking.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 02:21 PM
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And nobody's mentioned Pet Sounds, whose perfection probably depends on your attitude toward the two instrumentals, but my affection for them has grown over time.

It may also be the album with the highest ratio of album quality:cover art quality.

Frayed Knot
Oct 17 2017 02:23 PM
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I've thought for a while that there may be no better [u:2yteanxr]Side[/u:2yteanxr] to an album than Van Morrison's MOONDANCE: And it Stoned Me -- Moondance -- Crazy Love -- Caravan -- Into the Mystic
but, alas, Side 2 doesn't come close to matching it to the point where I believe if you were to drop the record the uneven weight would make it land Side 1 side-down like the proverbial slice of buttered bread.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 17 2017 02:25 PM
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Of course, Pet Sounds. (I treat the instrumentals like interludes-- intermezzo sorbet courses at the sonic feast.)

Guys... Ziggy Stardust.

DUSTY! Dusty in Memphis. Meticulous songcraft by the industry's best, gloriously performed, and so, so lovingly put together. Torch songs don't get better. Unless they're preformed by Otis Redding? Otis Blue. There you go.

Also, I'll put Thriller up for nomination. Great, great pop-and-soul, top to bottom, and even "The Girl Is Mine" works. Purple Rain, too. Hell... I'll go all-in for eighties blackness and say Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation of Millions...

Physical Graffiti is just a tick too bloated to get there, right? What about Rocket to Russia ?

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 02:46 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
(I treat the instrumentals like interludes-- intermezzo sorbet courses at the sonic feast.)

Yeah, I used to think of them as just songs that weren't finished, but I've come around to that perspective.

As far as Moondance, I'm pretty crazy about side two also. If "These Dreams of You" is your weakest track, you're doing all right.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 17 2017 03:01 PM
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Yeah, man. "Everyone" and "Glad Tidings" may not be "Moondane" or "Mystic," but they're not all that far off the pace, and make a solid close. I'd put Astral Weeks at or close to perfection, too. I've spent moody weeks straight listening to Weeks.

Hunky Dory? I'm on the fence, if only because of "Fill Your Heart."

Mets Willets Point
Oct 17 2017 03:11 PM
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sharpie wrote:
How is this thing 30 posts deep and no Beatles?


Mostly because Beatles albums often have one clunker, usually either sung by Ringo or Paul doing his music hall schtick. I would agree that Sgt. Pepper is the best candidate for a seamless Beatles album. Some might find fault with She's Leaving Home or Good Morning, Good Morning but both those songs work for me.


Revolver is perfect for me. Rubber Soul is almost perfect except for "Run for Your Life" and Abbey Road is almost perfect except for "Maxwell's Silver Hammer."

d'Kong76
Oct 17 2017 03:15 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Velvet Underground and Nico.

Once or twice a year I have to say I never got the VU love. I still don't get it
and I'll never get it. That someone whose opinion I usually 'get' sees perfection
in it puzzles the schlamolshie out of me.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 03:24 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
I still don't get it and I'll never get it.

Don't give up!

Fman99
Oct 17 2017 03:33 PM
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41Forever wrote:
sharpie wrote:
How is this thing 30 posts deep and no Beatles?


Mostly because Beatles albums often have one clunker, usually either sung by Ringo or Paul doing his music hall schtick. I would agree that Sgt. Pepper is the best candidate for a seamless Beatles album. Some might find fault with She's Leaving Home or Good Morning, Good Morning but both those songs work for me.


I was debating about Abbey Road, wondering if "I Want You (She's so Heavy)" would sink it.


That's actually my all time favorite Beatles song.

Fman99
Oct 17 2017 03:35 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Of course, Pet Sounds. (I treat the instrumentals like interludes-- intermezzo sorbet courses at the sonic feast.)

Guys... Ziggy Stardust.

DUSTY! Dusty in Memphis. Meticulous songcraft by the industry's best, gloriously performed, and so, so lovingly put together. Torch songs don't get better. Unless they're preformed by Otis Redding? Otis Blue. There you go.

Also, I'll put Thriller up for nomination. Great, great pop-and-soul, top to bottom, and even "The Girl Is Mine" works. Purple Rain, too. Hell... I'll go all-in for eighties blackness and say Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation of Millions...

Physical Graffiti is just a tick too bloated to get there, right? What about Rocket to Russia ?


Another vote for Pet Sounds, Thriller, Purple Rain, It Takes a Nation of Millions. All great from end to end.

41Forever
Oct 17 2017 04:08 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Of course, Pet Sounds. (I treat the instrumentals like interludes-- intermezzo sorbet courses at the sonic feast.)

Guys... Ziggy Stardust.

DUSTY! Dusty in Memphis. Meticulous songcraft by the industry's best, gloriously performed, and so, so lovingly put together. Torch songs don't get better. Unless they're preformed by Otis Redding? Otis Blue. There you go.

Also, I'll put Thriller up for nomination. Great, great pop-and-soul, top to bottom, and even "The Girl Is Mine" works. Purple Rain, too. Hell... I'll go all-in for eighties blackness and say Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation of Millions...

Physical Graffiti is just a tick too bloated to get there, right? What about Rocket to Russia ?


Another vote for Pet Sounds, Thriller, Purple Rain, It Takes a Nation of Millions. All great from end to end.


I thought about Purple Rain. It was inescapable when I was at college so every song is drilled into my subconsciousness. (And some good memories, too!) I think "Darling Nikki" holds it back, but I know people like the song.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 17 2017 04:09 PM
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Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 04:10 PM
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That's a good nominee. I'm trying to think if "Cancer" is a spanner in the works, though.

Here's some aural wallpaper for you with nary a mis-step among them.

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d'Kong76
Oct 17 2017 04:21 PM
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I was considering London Calling when I mentioned their first album. Pretty amazing
that a double album really doesn't have one clunker on it.

Frayed Knot
Oct 17 2017 05:49 PM
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I was thinking of Stevie's SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE as a double album which could at least come close to the standard of 'perfect' despite 17 cuts clocking in at a total of nearly 90 minutes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 17 2017 06:54 PM
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Yeah, 41-- I'm a "Darling Nikki" parochialist. I'm also thisclose to Sign O' the Times, which I might love more overall, but has one or two fives among the tens. SAD! #sad #littleprince

I'll stipulate to Songs in the Key of Life. Isn't it lovely?

Of COURSE London Calling. (And why do I like the Velvets? Because they're like druggy, strummy catchy Kurt Weill-as-a-band with alternative tunings and feedback as a horn section/weapon.)

Paul's Boutique! FARK! How did I not come up with that one? I was even shopping in the '80s bin before.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 17 2017 08:32 PM
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100% fo sho on Pet Sounds.

What is this room's temperature on The Queen is Dead?

sharpie
Oct 17 2017 08:42 PM
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The first Clash album over London Calling. What was Side 4 of that album (before the hidden Train in Vain): Lover's Rock; Four Horsemen; I'm Not Down; Revolution Rock is a dropoff from the glory of Sides 1-3. The first album, however, is solid all the way through.

Love the Velvets so much but I once again, with Velvet Underground and Nico I have problems with the end: The Black Angel's Death Song and European Son just don't do it for me.

That being said, I put both London Calling and Velvet Underground and Nico on a rock album pedestal.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2017 09:06 PM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
100% fo sho on Pet Sounds.

What is this room's temperature on The Queen is Dead?

The Smiths are too contrarian to be sublime. At their best, they are transcendent, but they had and album consistently top notch track for track, I imagine they'd subvert that with a howler just 'cuz.

41Forever
Oct 17 2017 09:44 PM
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I think Rumors is close. "Silver Springs" was recorded during these sessions and used as a B-side. If this replaced "Oh Daddy," I think we're there.

"Second Hand News"
"Dreams"
"Never Going Back Again"
"Don't Stop"
"Go Your Own Way"
"Songbird"

"The Chain"
"You Make Loving Fun"
"I Don't Want to Know"
"Oh Daddy"
"Gold Dust Woman"

d'Kong76
Oct 17 2017 10:04 PM
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sharpie wrote:
Revolution Rock is a dropoff from the glory of Sides 1-3.

I love the end of RR and the break into TiV. Classic stuff.

I'd consider Rumors, but yeah Oh Daddy is pretty bad.

Frampton Comes Alive?

Ashie62
Oct 17 2017 10:33 PM
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Its a compilation record.. but...

The Stones "Hot Rocks" aint bad.

I could throw in the Beatles "red' and 'blue" compilations but,

greatest hits albums dont count.

Frayed Knot
Oct 17 2017 11:20 PM
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Yeah, I think compilation/live/greatest hits selections are cheating for this particular exercise.

Fman99
Oct 18 2017 01:21 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I was thinking of Stevie's SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE as a double album which could at least come close to the standard of 'perfect' despite 17 cuts clocking in at a total of nearly 90 minutes.


Yep!

41Forever
Oct 18 2017 02:07 AM
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Wondering about this one:



Not a huge Bruce fan by any stretch. But I find that when I like one of his albums, I like them a lot. This one, Tunnel of Love and The Rising are all solid all the way through. On this, "Bobby Jean" isn't as strong as the others, but I don't think it's a bad one.

1. "Born in the U.S.A."
2. "Cover Me"
3. "Darlington County"
4. "Working on the Highway"
5. "Downbound Train"
6. "I'm on Fire"
7. "No Surrender"
8. "Bobby Jean"
9. "I'm Goin' Down"
10. "Glory Days"
11. "Dancing in the Dark"
12. "My Hometown"

Edgy MD
Oct 18 2017 04:51 PM
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The problem with BitUSA is that the sound is very much of it's time. It's precisely a point in the mid-eighties where Roy Bittan was switching from pianos to synths; the drums are mixed to sound like thumping on a cardboard box, and its the first real track-by-track recording in the Springsteen canon and it sounds like it. The iconic players of the E Street Band, given room to shine on previous albums, are handcuffed, none more than Clarence Clemons. Their character comes through more in the accompanying videos than on the disc.

Yeah, as a career move, it worked. All the songs limited to three minutes, three chords, and one theme, and it established him as the great American troubadour, while shedding his nichier prophet-of-the-streets persona. And all of the songs are good, but if you give it the treatment of his seventies work, put it on a good turntable with good speakers, turn up the volume and turn out the light, I daresay you won't exactly be transported.

It's an album of wall-to-wall 8's. But 9's, 10's, and Super-10's? I don't find them there. ("No Surrender" fans well may disagree on that one, but still.)

It's, as you say, solid. Perfect is another egg, though.

seawolf17
Oct 18 2017 06:10 PM
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Mets Willets Point wrote:
[Revolver is perfect for me.

Yes. The king of the Beatles records.

"Houses Of The Holy" is my favorite Zep record. I could see the argument for IV, though.

Centerfield
Oct 18 2017 06:29 PM
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Does Wish You Were Here count? It's like 3 songs.

d'Kong76
Oct 18 2017 07:22 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The problem with BitUSA is that the sound is very much of it's time. It's precisely a point in the mid-eighties where Roy Bittan was switching from pianos to synths; the drums are mixed to sound like thumping on a cardboard box

I hear aluminum garbage can tops, not so much on my laptop speakers
but on real speakers I swear the drums were recorded in an alley.

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Ashie62
Oct 18 2017 09:44 PM
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I forgot one thats pretty tight. Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon.'

d'Kong76
Oct 19 2017 12:34 AM
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Pink kinda went on a tri-perfecta with Dark, Wish and Animals if you
were into that sort of thing. I was, still am.

41Forever
Oct 19 2017 12:55 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The problem with BitUSA is that the sound is very much of it's time. It's precisely a point in the mid-eighties where Roy Bittan was switching from pianos to synths; the drums are mixed to sound like thumping on a cardboard box, and its the first real track-by-track recording in the Springsteen canon and it sounds like it. The iconic players of the E Street Band, given room to shine on previous albums, are handcuffed, none more than Clarence Clemons. Their character comes through more in the accompanying videos than on the disc.

Yeah, as a career move, it worked. All the songs limited to three minutes, three chords, and one theme, and it established him as the great American troubadour, while shedding his nichier prophet-of-the-streets persona. And all of the songs are good, but if you give it the treatment of his seventies work, put it on a good turntable with good speakers, turn up the volume and turn out the light, I daresay you won't exactly be transported.

It's an album of wall-to-wall 8's. But 9's, 10's, and Super-10's? I don't find them there. ("No Surrender" fans well may disagree on that one, but still.)

It's, as you say, solid. Perfect is another egg, though.


These are valid points, and I respect them. It's very possible that my views are colored by the memories. Like with Purple Rain, I'm thrown right back to college.

Obviously all subjective, but I'd give "My Hometown" a 10 and the title track, too. If I was a fan of 1970s Bruce, I'd probably feel the same as you. This was my entry point, so I don't have that shift.

41Forever
Oct 19 2017 01:19 AM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Pink kinda went on a tri-perfecta with Dark, Wish and Animals if you
were into that sort of thing. I was, still am.



So I've been thinking about Floyd and this one.




"Don't Leave Me Now" and "The Trial" are important to the overall story, but I think both drag on too long. The dangers of a double album. But there are about five 10s or 10+s. A bunch of songs can't stand alone. Talking myself out of perfection here.

Ashie62
Oct 19 2017 02:12 AM
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I agree on Pink. They flow well for me. 'Meddle' also.

Springsteen I just can't relate to, my loss. But, I'd probably go with "Born to Run" I just didnt listen to enough of him.

Frayed Knot
Oct 19 2017 02:19 AM
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10th AVENUE FREEZE OUT is a better concert song than an album song; a good vehicle for the band to stand out, particularly the horns, but doesn't hold up as well to repeated listenings in studio form.
Some will opine that MEETING ACROSS THE RIVER* brings the disc down but I wouldn't vote that way. Every other cut is a gem.

THUNDER ROAD
10th AVENUE
NIGHT (all time great sax intro!)
BACKSTREETS

BORN TO RUN
SHE'S THE ONE
MEETING ACROSS THE RIVER
BACKSTREETS




* I had a book a while ago where a bunch of writers took the framework of 'MEETING' and turned it into short stories. An interesting collection to be sure.

d'Kong76
Oct 19 2017 02:45 AM
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Meddle was cool, One of These Days is my favorite Pink song....
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HahnSolo
Oct 19 2017 12:44 PM
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Not a Springsteen fan, but Mrs. Solo is a total Bruce mongo.

She says the list of perfect Springsteen albums begins and ends with Darkness on the Edge of Town.

Badlands
Adam Raised a Cain
Something in the Night
Candy's Room
Racing in the Street

The Promised Land
Factory
Streets of Fire,
Prove it All Night
Darkness on the Edge of Town

I'll let the Bruce fans here determine yay or nay on this album's perfection.

Ashie62
Oct 19 2017 08:12 PM
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I remember buying this album many moons ago. I played it and thought that it sucked. Candy's Room is my favorite Bruce song though.

Ashie62
Oct 19 2017 10:00 PM
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These two are not Rock & Roll staples but I would nominate for perfection.....

Husker Du- Zen Arcade 1984. A 23 song gem from the Reagan years.

XTC- Skylarking 1986. The band did not pick their own producer and recording with Rundgren was not a great marraige, but Todd did see the thematic narrative Patridge had provided and the rest of history.

Edgy MD
Oct 19 2017 11:38 PM
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Like Soul Mining by The The (another great album, yo), Skylarking has a song that's not supposed to be there. "Dear God" was the B-side of the first single, ("Earn Enough for Us") and was not on the original pressing, but was placed there on subsequent pressings by the record company dudes, without XTC's permission.

Soul Mining was supposed to end with the monumental "Giant," but the single "Perfect" was tacked on last, because the label didn't think an album with only 7 tracks would sell, and singles sell albums, so ...

Matt Johnson finally got that track cut like 10 years (and a format or two) later.

Back to Skylarking: Andy Partridge has been talking shit about Todd Rundgren ever since, which is a damn shame, because that album was the best thing they ever did, and any band would love to claim it as their own.

Ashie62
Oct 20 2017 02:27 AM
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Yes on Dear God. Partridge went as far as to remix the record in 2010 claiming Rundgren originally used a "reverse" polarity causing a thinner sound. Too fussy for my ears lol.

smg58
Oct 20 2017 12:34 PM
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Got to this thread late. A few thoughts:

As much as I love Making Movies, I like Love Over Gold even more.

I'd have to pick Sgt. Pepper's if I had to pick one Beatles album. It has the best Ringo song, after all. There might be other reasons as well.

Exile on Main St. is the only Stones album that doesn't waste a track.

I worshipped Who's Next back in the day, but Quadrophenia holds up better.

I didn't get The Velvet Underground and Nico when I first heard it. But I played it recently and thought it was totally cool. It kind of sounds like how life under Trump feels, which I imagine was how life during Vietnam felt. That won't appeal to everybody, but I connected with it.

For similar reasons, I would nominate Redneck Wonderland by Midnight Oil. Disturbingly prophetic, in hindsight. Also Omnipop by Sam Phillips, along the same lines. (My favorite rock albums of the nineties were nobody else's, but I stand by them.)

Did anybody mention Radio City by Big Star? How about Hounds of Love by Kate Bush, or Exodus by Bob Marley and the Wailers?

On the non-rock front, I would add African Litany by Juluka, Old Hag You Have Killed Me by The Bothy Band, Aitara by Värttinä, and Hipjokk by Hedningarna.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 21 2017 04:13 AM
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Maybe a little obscure, but I listened again recently and it certainly stands the test of 20 years:



It's a deeply personal, and very funny folk-rock solo album which I think is about being on your own and trying to stay sober, by a once-and-future prog artist who was also Robert Plant's guitarist. A few points off for being too long (it was 1995 and they were still filling those CDs) but even then I can't really choose a track to whack from it because I truly like each of them.

Frayed Knot
Oct 21 2017 12:10 PM
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Yeah, the changeover to CDs definitely lessened the odds of achieving that 'perfect album'.
No longer confined by vinyl record limits which pretty much capped things at around 10-12 cuts and some 35-45 minutes in total running time, there were suddenly artists in the
CD era releasing 16-cut/70 minute debut efforts. That not only made it almost automatic that there'd be more filler in the album but it made it a longer/tougher process for the
listener. Discovering albums one side at a time, 4-5 cuts at a time, and 20 or so minutes at a time made it much easier to digest.

It also then ate up about half the material for the guy's follow-up project, but that's a separate problem.

Mets Willets Point
Oct 21 2017 05:51 PM
Re: Perfect albums

other.

41Forever
Oct 22 2017 02:38 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Yeah, the changeover to CDs definitely lessened the odds of achieving that 'perfect album'.
No longer confined by vinyl record limits which pretty much capped things at around 10-12 cuts and some 35-45 minutes in total running time, there were suddenly artists in the
CD era releasing 16-cut/70 minute debut efforts. That not only made it almost automatic that there'd be more filler in the album but it made it a longer/tougher process for the
listener. Discovering albums one side at a time, 4-5 cuts at a time, and 20 or so minutes at a time made it much easier to digest.

It also then ate up about half the material for the guy's follow-up project, but that's a separate problem.


I think, too, that CDs make it so easy to skip songs. Growing up with vinyl, it was a pain in the putt to pick up the needle and lay it down on the next song. That meant listening to more songs, and getting the repeated listens for them to grow on you.

These days, I make iTunes playlists in the order that I like the songs, rarely getting to the ones at they bottom.

Mets Willets Point
Oct 29 2017 04:44 PM
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Ashie62
Oct 29 2017 09:41 PM
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"I've Got It."

Fman99
Oct 30 2017 01:31 PM
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Run DMC's self titled debut has nine kick ass hip hop tracks. Nothing wasted on there.

Frayed Knot
Dec 10 2017 09:48 PM
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Heard some Carole King earlier today and was reminded of what a monster TAPESTRY was at the time (1971).
I'd have to re-familiarize with a few of the lesser-known tracks, but, when an album consists of about 3/4's hit singles still universally known approaching half century since its release, the others would have to be total unlistenable clunkers before they could bring the rest of the project down.

Just her second album as a performer even though she had already been a decade-long veteran of the business as a songwriter, its combination of her versions of songs she had previously written (or co-written) for others plus more recently penned tunes garnered play on the album stations, the singles-oriented stations, FM stations/AM stations, easy listening stations, etc. and dominated the charts for years with numbers that were virtually unheard of at the time.

I've said here before that if you had either King's writing career or her recording career that's a HoF-worthy life. Those two worlds collided right here.

I FEEL THE EARTH MOVE
SO FAR AWAY
IT'S TOO LATE
HOME AGAIN
BEAUTIFUL
WAY OVER YONDER
YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND
WHERE YOU LEAD
WILL YOU LOVE ME TOMORROW
SMACKWATER JACK
TAPESTRY
(YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE) A NATURAL WOMEN

Edgy MD
Dec 11 2017 12:04 AM
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I have an aversion to "Smackwater Jack" that verges on the irrational. I mostly otherwise agree. A rare perfect (or near-perfect) album that sold exactly as much as a perfect (or near-perfect) album should.

Ashie62
Dec 12 2017 10:01 PM
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Some of the songs made big bucks as covers. Taylor, Sedaka i.e.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 13 2017 04:00 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I have an aversion to "Smackwater Jack" that verges on the irrational. I mostly otherwise agree. A rare perfect (or near-perfect) album that sold exactly as much as a perfect (or near-perfect) album should.


Yeah, I don't know that there are a better-written twelve songs on any album anywhere... but "Smackwater" is SUCH a turd in that wonderfully-layered punch bowl.