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Winter Meetings 2017
| Centerfield Dec 11 2017 01:49 AM |
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Kick off today. Lots of articles today about Alderson. His tone seems a lot less optimistic than years past. His goal, if you read between the lines, appears to be to temper expectations.
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| Nymr83 Dec 11 2017 02:08 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Expectations about the winter meetings, the Mets off-season, or the 2018 season?
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| Centerfield Dec 11 2017 02:11 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Specifically, middle relievers are too expensive. Closers, it appears, are not even in the picture.
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| Centerfield Dec 11 2017 02:14 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I took it to mean he was tempering expectations for the Mets offseason. But he wasn’t exactly pumped about 2018 either. Said something like “we’re going to be as good as we can possibly be”. Which is like something you say to someone who is not very good at something. I think he also said that he hopes the Mets can be competitive. Or something like that. I was reading them felt sick.
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| Ceetar Dec 11 2017 02:41 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I dunno, it's hard to follow all the garbage unsourced speculation out there, but Sandy seems to be shopping around and dipping his toes in all over the place compared to previous years.
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| Nymr83 Dec 11 2017 02:46 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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which is as it should be. I'm glad Alderson isn't "pulling a Jeter" and telling everyone he NEEDS to trade away his best player. I responded to this post just to take a shot at Jeter.
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| Edgy MD Dec 11 2017 02:52 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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If Alderson is tempering expectations, he's just doing what he's always done.
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| Centerfield Dec 11 2017 03:16 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I think you guys give Alderson too much credit for being coy.
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| d'Kong76 Dec 11 2017 03:39 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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No, not at all. But I also think the Yanks having Stanton fall into their lap has a lot of people irrationally worked up. Again. Tomorrow morning I'll wake up to being called a stupid kool-aid swilling brainwashed dork but can we see how the next few months go before we write the 2018 requiem?
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| Ceetar Dec 11 2017 03:54 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Exactly. Let's see how things look as we approach April before deciding this is a Yankee year in this town, because I'm not so sure. I mean, I don't expect the Mets to light the world on fire because I don't think there's enough lighter fluid on the market. These meetings are going to be fairly productive though, as now that Stanton and Ohtani are signing things will start falling into place.
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| bmfc1 Dec 11 2017 03:44 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Jeter isn't going to the Winter Meetings. Does he think that he's above such matters?
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2017 03:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Jeter won't get nearly as much slack in Miami as he got in the Bronx. While Mets fans certainly have a right to be disgruntled at the moment, I can only imagine how Marlins fans must feel.
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| Ceetar Dec 11 2017 04:01 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Owners don't have as much regular face time with the press, particularly more national guys, that the media has to pull punches to maintain a relationship.
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| Vic Sage Dec 11 2017 05:09 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Jeter is not just an owner; he's the CEO and appears to be making the baseball decisions. And winter meetings aren't just about signing FAs; its about meeting with other GMs and laying the groundwork for trades. And clearly Jeter has been very interested in that. So there's really no reason for him NOT to be there, except to avoid unpleasant questions and thus maintain his arrogant aloofness. IOW, whether in a uniform or a suit, he's still a dick.
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| Nymr83 Dec 11 2017 05:11 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Cut Jeter some slack, how far are the winter meetings from Miami? He probably didn't have the range to get there in time.
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| Vic Sage Dec 11 2017 05:24 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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:)
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| Centerfield Dec 11 2017 05:54 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Nice. Lol.
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| bmfc1 Dec 11 2017 06:30 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Bravo!
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| Ceetar Dec 11 2017 06:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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In terms of US geography, Orlando probably falls roughly into the "makes the plays hit at him" category though no? ;-)
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| MFS62 Dec 11 2017 11:10 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Bravo.
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| Ceetar Dec 12 2017 03:20 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Jeter did make it to the Dolphins game though.
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| Edgy MD Dec 12 2017 02:43 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I hear Jeter was offering to include the memory of José Fernandez if the Yanks would send back a few more $$.
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| seawolf17 Dec 13 2017 06:16 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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The Great Purge continues. Marcell Ozuna to the Cardinals, apparently.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2017 06:20 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Marlins fans must be just loving Derek Jeter and the new ownership so much.
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| Edgy MD Dec 13 2017 06:25 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Holy smokes.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2017 06:34 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Feck it, why don't we call get both Yelich and Castro.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2017 06:42 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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It's like baseball Black Friday down there. Rainbow Fish Friday?
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2017 06:46 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Immediately my phone notifies me that "Yelich is next".
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| Centerfield Dec 13 2017 07:13 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Love Yelich.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 13 2017 07:36 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 13 2017 07:56 PM |
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If you listen to the new ownership -- just St. Jeets really since he's the closest thing they have to a spokesman for the group -- the purge is necessary considering the financial seaworthiness of the the S.S. Marlins (slightly better than the S.S. Minnow, perhaps, but not by much). Loria essentially used the pump and dump method, first to get his new stadium and then to get out. Similar to how Hyzinga (sp?) did years ago after his '97 WS win although at least he stuck around for the tear-down part of it before selling. The back to back Cubs & Astros wins have made the tear-down in order to build up model popular these days but it easy to say that that's the way to go after it works. Now one might wonder why the group would want to buy into something so precarious, particularly seeing as how the asking & selling prices were a lot higher than the pre-sale Forbes value had it, but that question has been posed for years and no one seems to go broke running top level sports franchises whether they wind up winning the whole enchilada or not. 32 y/o; 6' 4" / 215; originally a 2nd round draft pick by the Twins out of Nova HS in Ft. Lauderdale (there's a Nova University around that area too)
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| seawolf17 Dec 13 2017 07:36 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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If every team in baseball isn't calling Jeets on Yelich right now, I'd be stunned.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 13 2017 07:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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After they accept my modified offer, their payroll for 2018 will be like $45M so they're gonna be so happy, they'll take whatever I tell them to take. Marlins get: -Matt Harvey -Juan Lagares -Gavin Cecchini -marginal A-ball dude -$6.5M dollars Mets get: -Christian Yelich -Starlin Castro -Wei-Yin Chen Lagares is free for the Marlins this year (free!), and they have a year to trade the $9M left on his 2019 salary. Mets get a cornerstone centerfielder, a decent, kinda expensive middle-infielder for $10.8M this year and $11.8 next year, plus Chen who makes a not-outlandish $10M and can be our very poor man's Mike Minor, spot starter, mop-up, etc. And $30M for these bums, plus the $6.5M sweetener for Lagares doesn't break the team this year. I don't think. Does it? What do I know. Marlins are stoked because they dump ~$30M in salary immediately, and about $48M more for the rest of Castro and Yelich. Harvey goes full Johnny Manziel within 8 month of living in Miami. THE END.
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| Centerfield Dec 13 2017 07:53 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Actually, your offer is more appealing to the Marlins without Harvey.
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| Nymr83 Dec 13 2017 08:08 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Fire Jeter!
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| 41Forever Dec 14 2017 12:41 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Looks like Ian Kinsler won't be our second baseman. Apparently on his way to the Angels.
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| MFS62 Dec 14 2017 12:51 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Feels more like Pass over. Later
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| Centerfield Dec 14 2017 02:11 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Clearly the Mets are waiting for the markets on Hosmer and Martinez to heat up.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 14 2017 02:20 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Reliever Joe Smith to join the WS champs in Houston.
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| Centerfield Dec 14 2017 04:42 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Word among the beat writers is that Alderson is basically done with the bullpen. And as we already knew, he's not addressing the rotation.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 14 2017 10:15 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Well, Swarzak plus the pick of the crop from the bevy of relievers he added late last summer. Plus a theoretical full season from Familia & Ramos.
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| 41Forever Dec 14 2017 11:34 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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And, it’s not like the off-season ends at the winter meetings. I’d take anything Sandy is saying with big grains of salt and remember there are tons of reporters there looking for any scrap to turn into a story.
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| Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 11:39 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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There's the possiblity of a re-emergence by that crazy Mejia, and possibly other Tim Peterson-y guys we didn't see last year who've matured a full season. And possibly Chris Flexen-y guys or Marcos Molina-ish dudes who have started to date but reached a point in their careers where the bullpen is the best opportunity for them.
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| seawolf17 Dec 14 2017 02:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Agree. A "big-market" team makes that trade immediately, too.
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| Ceetar Dec 14 2017 02:52 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I wouldn't get too into season by season ERA by combined bullpens. the Mets have some solid arms there. "we'll see. We wanted to acquire an extra arm. We feel the bullpen is a relative strength. Will probably be looking elsewhere for the next upgrade" That's not quite 'no other reliever" it's simply, we're going to go address other holes.
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| Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 03:12 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Well, the beat writers word didn't last 'til the end of breakfast. Burch Smith!
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| Centerfield Dec 14 2017 03:20 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Understood. And hopefully Syndergaard and Matz will be healthy, Harvey will bounce back, and we get some miracle with Wheeler. Certainly the staff as built could be effective, but you'd like a better off-season plan. The pitching wasn't just bad, it was like near the worst in all of baseball bad. Rotation and bullpen. What would be a reasonable bounceback? Middle of the pack? Top ten seems a stretch with the same guys no? A team that's serious about contending would bring in strong candidates to bolster both. And the offense. Where to even begin. 19th rated, and this is even with the production of Bruce, Granderson, Walker and Duda. As built, they are without question bottom third. What are we going to do to improve this? Not a single plan they are contemplating right now, is even remotely close to losing what they already had. Forget about actually improving upon that. And on the offensive side, the only "bounce-back" we can reasonably hope for is Cespedes staying healthy. (and hope Conforto heals quickly) So if the end result is middle tier pitching, and bottom tier offense, why exactly are we not rebuilding?
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| Ceetar Dec 14 2017 03:25 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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The Mets team run creation was exactly the same as the Nationals.
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| Centerfield Dec 14 2017 03:37 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I don't know what run creation means. I do know that the Mets scored 84 fewer runs last year, which is more than 1/2 a run per game. I also know that the Nats had a .782 OPS and that the Mets had a .755 OPS. And again, that's including the production of the guys we traded away.
Sure, it could. And Harvey might bounce back. But again, we are hoping for everything to go right. A few quality arms in the mix really improves those chances. One outstanding arm changes the equation even more.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2017 03:39 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Yes, the Mets could end up having a pretty good season. I would just like to see them make some moves that will increase the odds of that happening. It's early in the offseason, so they may yet do so. But there's also the chance that whatever they do from this point forward will be inadequate. We'll have to wait and see.
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| Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 03:42 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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CF's offer is creative and should be emailed or whatever to Sandy.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2017 03:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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From what I understand the Marlins are doing an Astros-style suck-and-collect now that they've given away their real money earners, so they want quantity and quality of minor leaguers for a relatively cheap guy like Yelich. We could empty our prospect cache for him iow but there's probably clubs out there with more to give in that department.
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| sharpie Dec 14 2017 03:51 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Report I read this morning sez the Marlins are going to hold on to Yelich.
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| Ceetar Dec 14 2017 04:00 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I mean, not _Everything_ just a few things. I'd like to see them nudge the odds a bit too, but I've already said I want the Mets to get Darvish. I'm not particularly enamored with banking on last year's relievers as the 'quality arms' and find bullpens to be much more fluid. I'm not worried about adding those guys now, they'll be around, whether it's January, March, or July. About Gerritt Cole? Rumored to be available. Solid above average type guy. Might be a good filler guy. I guess I could start a thread.
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| Vic Sage Dec 14 2017 09:19 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Matthew Cerrone articulates my concerns on SNY:
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| Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 10:50 PM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Scratch off Frenando Rodney (Yea!) and Marcell Ozuna (meh)
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| MFS62 Dec 15 2017 12:54 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Mine, too. Later
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| Edgy MD Dec 15 2017 01:04 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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I don't get his thesis. He:
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| MFS62 Dec 15 2017 01:23 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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Edgy, I agree with a plan that includes signing the best hitters Sandy can find, but not THOSE three for the reasons you cited.
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| Ceetar Dec 15 2017 01:31 AM Re: Winter Meetings 2017 |
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That's correct. all three counts. edit: that didn't make sense. you're correct on the first two counts, incorrect on the third in that it WAS The correct link.
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