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What Sandwich Say You?

d'Kong76 Nov 10 2017 11:44 PM

I'm having an eggplant parmigiana wedge for some warm-me-up comfort food for dinner. We've been calling subs, heroes, etc. wedges here in these parts since I can remember. I recall as a kid hearing the term hoagie as being quite funny. What sandwich say you?

cooby Nov 11 2017 12:31 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

We still call them hoagies fondly though now they're called 'sub shops'. My uncle Bus made such goooood hoagies when he had a mom and pop store. On a low carb diet right now but my favorite subway sub was turkey on Italian with extra lettuce, no cheese, and some cucumbers and Italian dressing. Mmmmmm mmmm! I've kinda replicated it with lo carb wraps a couple times a week

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2017 12:35 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

I was always Subs growing up on L.I., sometimes heroes. Don't think I ever heard the terms of wedges, hoagies, or grinders until I went to college and started associating with people from the other side of NYC

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2017 01:14 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

For me, on Long Island, they were always heroes. Where I live now, they're hoagies. (Although heroes can be hot or cold, but hoagies are always cold.) I have a favorite sandwich at Wegman's and whenever I order it I ask for a "sub" because that's how it's referred to on their menu. I never knew that a sandwich could be called a "wedge" until I read this thread.

41Forever Nov 11 2017 01:42 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

They say “subs” out here.

MFS62 Nov 11 2017 02:31 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

They are called Grinders in Connecticut, but it was Heros in New York. Subs must have been for the suburbs. I don't recall city kids (in Queens. Can't speak for the other boroughs) using that term. But now that I think of it, I never ate any of them. I'd go to a deli for a sandwich on a hard roll (crunchy/flaky on the outside, airy on the inside) or rye. Later

Fman99 Nov 11 2017 03:15 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

My folks, natives of Queens and Brooklyn, called them "heroes," which worked for me, as they were and are still heroes to me themselves. Up here in the 'Cuse, we eat subs, though I sometimes call them "hoagies" because it makes my kids laugh, the same way I only get them sprinkles on their ice cream if they ask me for "jimmies."

Ashie62 Nov 11 2017 04:50 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

NJ- Subs

MFS62 Nov 11 2017 11:58 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Fman99 wrote: My folks, natives of Queens and Brooklyn, called them "heroes," which worked for me, as they were and are still heroes to me themselves. Up here in the 'Cuse, we eat subs, though I sometimes call them "hoagies" because it makes my kids laugh, the same way I only get them sprinkles on their ice cream if they ask me for "jimmies." First time I heard of "Jimmies" was in Cape Cod. Thought it was a New England thing. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2017 12:17 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

I tend to call them subs. When I went to school in Pennsylvania, they were hoagies. I love that name too. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... z-map.html This is the greatest survey ever- pinpointed me perfectly.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2017 12:40 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

It worked for me too, pegged me as a New Yorker. I'm least similar to Akron, Toledo, and Des Moines.

seawolf17 Nov 11 2017 01:04 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Heroes here at home, but I started saying subs in college and never stopped. (Also lost my LI accent at college and never got it back, so there's that.)

DocTee Nov 11 2017 03:37 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Subs. Food fact: the sandwiches were so named because they were popular with ship construction workers who built submarines....often at Philadelphia's Hog Island shipyard (hence the derivation Hoagies)...and because of their resemblance to the boats. #themoreyouknow Not sure why heroes...Grinders, (popular with shipyard workers in New London, CT) I am told, is because the rolls were often stale and required lotsa chewing

seawolf17 Nov 11 2017 03:51 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

DocTee wrote: Grinders, (popular with shipyard workers in New London, CT) Which is weird because that area bills itself as the "submarine capital." Go figure.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2017 05:34 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

DocTee wrote: Grinders, (popular with shipyard workers in New London, CT) I am told, is because the rolls were often stale and required lotsa chewing I forgot about grinders, been seeing Nardelli's Grinder billboards on CT 84 and 95 probably since I could drive. Still have never been in one. I'm sure they kick Subway's ass sixteen ways to Rhode Island.

MFS62 Nov 12 2017 12:21 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

d'Kong76 wrote: DocTee wrote: Grinders, (popular with shipyard workers in New London, CT) I am told, is because the rolls were often stale and required lotsa chewing I forgot about grinders, been seeing Nardelli's Grinder billboards on CT 84 and 95 probably since I could drive. Still have never been in one. I'm sure they kick Subway's ass sixteen ways to Rhode Island. We've been steady customers of Nardelli's since one opened in Danbury. IIRC, the chain started in New Haven. We'll take out every few weeks (more during the Summer when we take it to the beach). I like the seafood salad. They load it up with their special topping of mixed veggies. Just be sure you have a good supply of napkins on hand. We first saw it advertised on a "Sandwich Paradise" show on the travel channel, and have never been disappointed with quality or quantity. Quirky custom - when you leave a tip at the cashier, they ring a bell and everyone on the staff yells "Grazie" (Italian for thank you) As for your comment, you're right. There are two Subway sandwich shops within a mile of my house, and we travel the 5 miles or so into Danbury for the Nardelli's. Later

SwitchHitter Nov 12 2017 11:27 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Po'boys. For availability, Antone's makes good ones that you can get in most grocery stores for a fiver ... the Super Original is the best of that lot--includes capicola and other good stuff that I can't recall off the top of my head. Like anything else though, the best ones are in the shops, not pre-packaged (Antone's has a string of shops, too).

Frayed Knot Nov 12 2017 12:51 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

seawolf17 wrote: DocTee wrote: Grinders, (popular with shipyard workers in New London, CT) Which is weird because that area bills itself as the "submarine capital." Go figure. Do they even have a naval base in New London anymore or is it all just overgrown gambling joints these days? For years that and Charleston, SC were the two big sub bases on the east coast.

d'Kong76 Nov 12 2017 03:50 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Sub base and Coast Guard Academy are still very much open. The casino complexes are close to there but not that close.

Vic Sage Nov 13 2017 06:37 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

A hero ain't nothin' but a sandwich. I'm ok with "subs" too, but grinders? hoagies? wedges? wtf? favorite heroes -- meatball parm; veal parm; and hot pastrami & corned beef with provolone, cole slaw and Russian dressing

metsmarathon Nov 13 2017 07:03 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

i don't tend to think of the name for these sandwiches often, but when i do, the word sub jumps to the fore.

d'Kong76 Nov 13 2017 08:00 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Well part of it here, and I don't know if this yet another quirk, is that deli sandwiches are generally on rolls (a round kaiser-type roll about 5" in diameter) or on a wedge (the sub shaped thing). If you say give me a turkey and swiss with lettuce tomato mayo you're gonna get asked roll or wedge. If you want white, rye or wheat toast you'll likely get a half smile and they'll roll their eyes when they turn away. This is for basic sandwiches, not like a grilled reuben or something.

cooby Nov 13 2017 08:05 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

OMG you just reminded me...my husband says Ruebens are back at subway, and us on a low carb diet...

metsmarathon Nov 13 2017 08:05 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

oh, see, i get my deli sandwiches on toasted whole wheat everything bagels, thereby avoiding the issue entirely.

d'Kong76 Nov 13 2017 08:20 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Gimme an Italian combo on a toasted whole wheat everything bagel might get me banned from my local place.

metsmarathon Nov 13 2017 08:49 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

well, it's a bagel shop, so... also, yeah, italian combo on a bagel doesn't sound right at all. roast beef, turkey, and swiss with honey mustard, though... MmmmMmmmmmm!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2017 09:31 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

I feel like I only ate heroes as a kid but they were strictly subs where I went to college. Today I use them interchngeably but when I order in NYC, I order "hero."

d'Kong76 Nov 13 2017 10:11 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

In my next life (or when I have enough start up capital) I'm gonna open a deli. Breakfast and lunch only, open 5:30 to 4, closed Sundays. "I'll have a fresh turkey and provolone with roasted pepper and house horseradish mayo." "Loaf™ or half-loaf™?"

cooby Nov 13 2017 10:19 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Nice! Have it near me please!

dgwphotography Nov 13 2017 10:23 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Having grown with family from Brooklyn, we always referred to it as a grinder. I'm not sure when the change over occurred, but we now refer to them as subs (being the home of Subway probably contributes to this), except when I order a meatball grinder from one of the local Italian places we frequent. That will always be a grinder. Now I'm hankering for a meatball parm grinder....

Vic Sage Nov 13 2017 11:01 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

dgwphotography wrote: Having grown with family from Brooklyn, we always referred to it as a grinder. I'm not sure when the change over occurred, but we now refer to them as subs (being the home of Subway probably contributes to this), except when I order a meatball grinder from one of the local Italian places we frequent. That will always be a grinder. Now I'm hankering for a meatball parm grinder.... Grinders are not native to Brooklyn. They're a CT/New England thing, like subs. In Philly, they're hoagies. In Yonkers, Westchester and CT, they're also wedges. But in Brooklyn, it's just a hero.

Centerfield Nov 13 2017 11:17 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

I'm from central NY. Anything other than sub sounds funny.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2017 12:36 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Vic Sage wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Having grown with family from Brooklyn, we always referred to it as a grinder. I'm not sure when the change over occurred, but we now refer to them as subs (being the home of Subway probably contributes to this), except when I order a meatball grinder from one of the local Italian places we frequent. That will always be a grinder. Now I'm hankering for a meatball parm grinder.... Grinders are not native to Brooklyn. They're a CT/New England thing, like subs. In Philly, they're hoagies. In Yonkers, Westchester and CT, they're also wedges. But in Brooklyn, it's just a hero. That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that post. Nobody from Brooklyn says "Grinders". It's nothing but a hero. This thread reminds me of when I met someone from Philly back during my school days. He called cold cuts "lunch meat", which I thought was revolting.

dgwphotography Nov 14 2017 02:33 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Vic Sage wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Having grown with family from Brooklyn, we always referred to it as a grinder. I'm not sure when the change over occurred, but we now refer to them as subs (being the home of Subway probably contributes to this), except when I order a meatball grinder from one of the local Italian places we frequent. That will always be a grinder. Now I'm hankering for a meatball parm grinder.... Grinders are not native to Brooklyn. They're a CT/New England thing, like subs. In Philly, they're hoagies. In Yonkers, Westchester and CT, they're also wedges. But in Brooklyn, it's just a hero. Could it be dependent on section? My family came from Woodhaven...

41Forever Nov 14 2017 02:46 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

dgwphotography wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Having grown with family from Brooklyn, we always referred to it as a grinder. I'm not sure when the change over occurred, but we now refer to them as subs (being the home of Subway probably contributes to this), except when I order a meatball grinder from one of the local Italian places we frequent. That will always be a grinder. Now I'm hankering for a meatball parm grinder.... Grinders are not native to Brooklyn. They're a CT/New England thing, like subs. In Philly, they're hoagies. In Yonkers, Westchester and CT, they're also wedges. But in Brooklyn, it's just a hero. Could it be dependent on section? My family came from Woodhaven... Unless it's changed since we lived there in the late 1980s, the Subway world headquarters was smaller than I thought! We have a naming issue in the Detroit area, where hot dogs buried in chili sauce are called Coney Islands. The restaurants that sell these are also called Coney Islands, and the dogs are often called "coneys" with a lower case C. I used to point out that these are chili dogs, and I don't even know if Nathan's on Coney Island even sells them.

MFS62 Nov 14 2017 02:47 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

dgwphotography wrote: Could it be dependent on section? My family came from Woodhaven... Isn't Woodhaven in Queens (near the border with Brooklyn)? My cousins who lived there went to Franklin K. Lane HS, which had students from both Brooklyn and Queens. Maybe it was the cross polinization. Later

dgwphotography Nov 14 2017 01:51 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

MFS62 wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Could it be dependent on section? My family came from Woodhaven... Isn't Woodhaven in Queens (near the border with Brooklyn)? My cousins who lived there went to Franklin K. Lane HS, which had students from both Brooklyn and Queens. Maybe it was the cross polinization. Later All I know is that we would take the Interboro, and get off at Cypress Hills Cemetery (I think that was the name). They lived on Nichols Ave.

MFS62 Nov 14 2017 02:47 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

dgwphotography wrote: dgwphotography wrote: Could it be dependent on section? My family came from Woodhaven... Isn't Woodhaven in Queens (near the border with Brooklyn)? My cousins who lived there went to Franklin K. Lane HS, which had students from both Brooklyn and Queens. Maybe it was the cross polinization. Later All I know is that we would take the Interboro, and get off at Cypress Hills Cemetery (I think that was the name). They lived on Nichols Ave. You lost me there, just like I would get lost in most of New York since they started re-naming roads, streets and bridges. Later

dgwphotography Nov 14 2017 03:12 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

The Interboro is now the Jackie Robinson Parkway

Vic Sage Nov 14 2017 03:54 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

i'm pretty sure that's in Queens...which would help explain your grinder confusion. And Nathan Handwerker's hot dog stand in Coney Island sold hot dogs with sauerkraut and mustard. Onions came along later. Every other version is a bastardization of this pure vision. Some of the hoi polloi started using the relish and ketchup that was intended for the burgers on their dogs, too. Chili? Cheese? an entire garden, as they do in Chicago? They're all fine and good, and some of those variations are delicious (not the Chicago dog... that's an obscenity), but they are all perversions of the Platonic ideal. Don't get me wrong... I'm not necessarily knocking perversion and variation. live and let live i say. But its important to know what the standard is from which the variations arise, and to show proper respect for first principles.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2017 04:05 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

My ideal hot dog is topped with sauerkraut and nothing else. I agree that mustard is the one other standard hot dog condiment, but I prefer to skip the mustard.

d'Kong76 Nov 14 2017 04:10 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

We have/had a hot dog thread somewhere. I'll see if I can dig it up later.

metsmarathon Nov 14 2017 04:14 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: My ideal hot dog is topped with sauerkraut and nothing else. I agree that mustard is the one other standard hot dog condiment, but I prefer to skip the mustard. i'm a dangerous motherf-r to be around. in addition to doing deli sandwiches wrong, i also take my hot dogs with bbq sauce and spicy mustard.

G-Fafif Nov 14 2017 04:52 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Watching Welcome Back Kotter with my father, he blanched when he heard alleged Bensonhurstite Vinny Barbarino express a desire for a "submarine sandwich". New Yorkers don't call them that, he said. They're heroes. I've stuck with that since. As has every non-chain maker of large sandwiches within the sound of my keyboard. In college, my suitemate from Connecticut said he wanted a grinder. Our neighbor, a Long Islander like me, was confused. "You want to get into a car accident?"

Fman99 Nov 14 2017 04:57 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: My ideal hot dog is topped with sauerkraut and nothing else. I agree that mustard is the one other standard hot dog condiment, but I prefer to skip the mustard. I actually prefer mine best with both sauerkraut and spicy brown mustard. Though a chili dog with raw onions is also a fine fine way to have a dog.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2017 04:29 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

http://www.grubstreet.com/bestofnewyork ... h-nyc.html I've been to several of the places on that list, including the top two. Jimmy's (ranked #2) is about the best hero I've ever had. I think the list is credible because John's Deli (Met connection alert -- that's John Franco's favorite, or so he once said) (irony alert -- I once saw John Franco in person nowhere near Shea Stadium. It was at Paneantico, ranked #5 on this list) anyways, because John's Deli's, perennially included on any list of top NYC heroes, is not on that list. I've been to John's several times, and never had any idea whatsoever what the fuss was about that place. I thought it was just an ordinary hero joint, indistinguishable from any other ordinary hero joint. But they do have a big, loyal following. Here's the review for honorable mention Sunset Park Deli: Sunset Deli 4301 Fourth Ave., Sunset Park; 718-438-7244 Many attempts to unlock the secrets of this fantastically nondescript corner bodega, which works everyday magic with squeeze-bottle oil, Boar’s Head ham cappy, and gobs of humdrum lettuce. One possible explanation are crackerjack counter workers, who set their globe slicers dauntingly thinner than the competition, and who apply cold cuts in delicate rosettes, not solid, hammy layers. I've never been to this deli, and in fact, have never even heard about it until reading that article. But that's the secret to a great hero sandwich, and the secret to enjoying cold cuts in general, I would think: slicing the meat as thin as possible without shredding it. Some of these places, you ask them to cut the meat very thin, and they cut it as thick as your thumb. And then when you tell them "That's not thin. That's not even regular!" They look at you like you're crazy and on top of that, insist that it's impossible to slice the meat any thinner.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2017 06:07 AM Re: What Sandwich Say You? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 15 2017 01:54 PM

Hot (sandwich) Take: Chicago dogs are the best kind of dog, and maybe the best kind of sandwich. Hot Take 2: That's not exactly true, as the best kind of sandwich is actually either a roast pork Italian (porchetta or other jus- soaked roast, thin-sliced pork, sauteed broccoli rabe, and aged provolone) or a well-composed banh mi (preferably with several different kinds of pork product).

metirish Dec 14 2017 02:43 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

At work I get the 12" italian sub, with oil etc....it's a great sandwich, unlike Subway this actually looks substantial....chicken parm hero at Villa Barone in the Pelham Bay, absolutely love it , the chicken is always on point, ever get a chicken parm and you can tell the chicken has been reheated to death?, hate that

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2017 03:30 PM Re: What Sandwich Say You?

Are Hot Dogs Sandwiches?- The Straight Dope