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How do you get your music?

Buy vinyl.

1 votes

Buy CDs.

3 votes

Use iTunes.

8 votes

Stream.

8 votes

41Forever Dec 04 2017 10:39 PM

Had a discussion today with two people about changes in technology, and one mentioned that music industry has undergone four major changes in his lifetime, from vinyl to CDs to iTunes to streaming. I mentioned that it was three for me, since I'm still using iTunes and my iPod classic. The other two looked at me like I was crazy and asked if I still use a rotary phone. Is streaming that popular now? Do you, like with Netflix, pay a monthly fee for unlimited plays? Can I still make playlists? Are there any advantages to it? What do you do?

TransMonk Dec 04 2017 11:50 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I subscribe to Napster, so for about $12 a month, I can listen to any album I want to on demand. Napster has a playlist option that I rarely use. I typically listen to full albums and have not really explored their playlists, radio stations or random listening options. I have a vinyl setup as well, but my vinyl collection is full of only my favorite albums or merch from bands I’ve seen on the local level.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 02:22 AM Re: How do you get your music?

torrents.

seawolf17 Dec 05 2017 02:30 AM Re: How do you get your music?

A combination of things. I still have hundreds of CDs in my basement that I'm trying to figure out what to do with because we're moving soon and I don't know that I want to lug them around. I ripped most of them to iTunes in the past several years, and used an iPod Classic until it crapped out a few months back. I uploaded everything to Google Music and I've been pretty happy with it since we have unlimited data. I've tried some of the streaming services, but I've spent so much time curating the songs I've got that I really don't want access to *everything.* I want what I like and that's enough. Plus, I have a lot of bootlegs and things that aren't on the services anyway. Uploading everything to Google Play allows me the best of all worlds. If there's something new I really want, I'll just buy the mp3s. If it's something new that I want to check out first, I'll buzz through it on the previews and/or get the CDs from the library first.

41Forever Dec 05 2017 02:48 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I'll still pick up the physical CD for my most favorite bands because I want the whole package. I like the check out a used record shop once in a while and get some things, especially some of the Christmas discs that are hard to find.

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 03:09 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I buy cd's, but only used and never for more than $3 or so. I know a guy. I like iTunes, it's the only thing Apple I I use.

Fman99 Dec 05 2017 03:49 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I took every CD I every owned, and borrowed, and a lot of music that "fell off of the back of the truck," digitally speaking, and put it all on an old PC in my basement that is repurposed as a music server. I have about 100 GB of music on there, of all genres. That's what I listen to at work, usually listening through entire albums end to end. I'll take a select subset of music and load it to my iPod shuffle for workouts. As for streaming, when I want to just boogie, and not pick out music manually, I use Pandora's free service (minimal ads) and listen to "the Bobby Byrd channel," which includes all kinds of James Brown, Otis Redding, Curtis Mayfield, Sly & Family, and other 60s-70s funk and R&B acts. That's my jam for cooking and doing housework.

Vic Sage Dec 05 2017 03:17 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: torrents. Q: how do you get your music? Ceetar: "i steal it."

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 03:17 PM Re: How do you get your music?

the quotes are key there.

dgwphotography Dec 05 2017 03:26 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Vic Sage wrote: torrents. Q: how do you get your music? Ceetar: "i steal it." Thank you. You would think that someone who generates their own content would respect copyright...

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 03:28 PM Re: How do you get your music?

If I was a singer I'd definitely be in favor of people listening to my stuff over not listening to my stuff. That's what we're talking about here.

41Forever Dec 05 2017 03:33 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: If I was a singer I'd definitely be in favor of people listening to my stuff over not listening to my stuff. That's what we're talking about here. I'm confused. Are you saying that as a singer, you'd rather have people stealing your work and listening to it rather that asking people to pay for it and not having as many people hear it? Is the thought that exposure to the music would generate buzz and widen a potential audience that would include people who would then obtain the music legally?

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 03:47 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Does the music industry have a piracy problem? I don't think it does, but I'm not particularly in tune with that marketplace. Yes, I'd rather have a million fans even if only half of them paid for an album than 600k fans that all paid for it. But we can get more nuanced too. I'd certainly never sell exclusive rights to anyone, let's say Spotify. I'd want to open up the listening experience to everyone, not force everyone into a specific format. That's what leads to people pirating things they can and would otherwise buy. I'd love to see some real studies on this that aren't driven by corporate interests. How many people who pirate a new artist buy their second album for instance?

Nymr83 Dec 05 2017 04:07 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Does the music industry have a piracy problem? I don't think it does, but I'm not particularly in tune with that marketplace. the music industry had a HUGE problem with piracy in the early 2000's - I'm guessing the advent of legal streaming through napster, amazon prime, internet radio etc has severely slowed the pace on that, but it's still stealing when it happens. I won't lie, I did it in high school 20 years ago like most everyone else (which doesnt make it right.) As an adult, I pay to download the things I really want to support the artists making them. Overall, I download a few songs i want to pay for, buy a few CDs (mostly kids stuff for the car) and do lots of streaming - formerly Napster but I couldn't justify continuing to pay them when an equivalent service was already included with Amazon Prime. I really don't understand the argument that you can just steal music because if it was yours you'd give it away. If you own a restaurant and give away free booze, does that mean you can walk into other restaurants and take booze without asking?

metirish Dec 05 2017 04:19 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I use Pandora, have to say it is very repetitive if you tend to listen to the same station many times. I have a "Pogues' station and really they play the same songs, and I use the thumbs up and down feature. Google Play music is similar....but def Pandora is my go to. I am thinking about going premium

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 04:21 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: Does the music industry have a piracy problem? I don't think it does, but I'm not particularly in tune with that marketplace. Dude, of course piracy is a problem. You're a prime example of that. Ceetar wrote: Yes, I'd rather have a million fans even if only half of them paid for an album than 600k fans that all paid for it. But we can get more nuanced too. I'd certainly never sell exclusive rights to anyone, let's say Spotify. I'd want to open up the listening experience to everyone, not force everyone into a specific format. That's what leads to people pirating things they can and would otherwise buy. Unless you're Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, or Beyonce, most artists are not "limited" to just one streaming platform. Tay-Tay can hold out and decide when and where to release her music, but largely it's the artists and labels paying to get their music on those services, and in turn, getting paid out in fractions of pennies. And if you pay for distribution, you're distributed on all of them. Artists aren't making money on streaming sites unless you're one of those super-duper stars. Record companies were stupid and slow to adapt to Napster and piracy, and clung to high-priced CDs way too long, but the reason we have this shitty streaming model to begin with is so that some money is being traded for music. Ceetar wrote: I'd love to see some real studies on this that aren't driven by corporate interests. How many people who pirate a new artist buy their second album for instance? I'd like to see them, too, and I'd bet the conclusion is "people who jack shit for free tend to not start paying for stuff, just because". I mean, how many second albums have you purchased because you loved the stolen first one?

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 04:23 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Oh, and I Spotify and buy vinyl.

sharpie Dec 05 2017 04:24 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Buy some CDs, buy some records, download some songs. I can't abide the stealing method and I don't like the compensation method for Spotify, et al.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 04:29 PM Re: How do you get your music?

That's not my argument at all. If they made piracy impossible (Net Neutrality elimination should help with that!) musicians wouldn't see another dime from me, nor would they recoup savings lost by my listening to a song. My listening to the music is not taking away product from someone else or consuming something (like alcohol) that someone else paid for. It boils down to simple capitalism I guess. What they're putting out isn't worth to me what they're charging. There are ways to sample it when i'm curious, so I do. There are similar models adopted in other industries, though not as a whole industry obviously, that are comparable. Take the "5 few article views a month" of the NY Times. I don't find a subscription worth my money, but maybe there's an article or two I want to read. I mean, as a global internet society we still haven't quite figured out the best way to charge for content. It's an ongoing thing. Is it advertising? paywalls? subscriptions? Personally I favor the Patreon model where you get some/most of something but supporters get more. What if half an album was free but you download 90% or 100% with a purchase? A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'd like to see them, too, and I'd bet the conclusion is "people who jack shit for free tend to not start paying for stuff, just because". I mean, how many second albums have you purchased because you loved the stolen first one? I've seen suggestions to the contrary. I'm not a good example though, but I'll let you know if I love a first album. I mean, lately I haven't even bothered torrenting because I wouldn't even know what to type in. Once in a blue moon when I listen to music I usually just click "I'm feeling lucky" radio in Google Play, or click a curated playlist in free spotify, and mostly just to try to assimilate some 80s music pop hits knowledge for trivia purpose. Movies/tv shows I guess would be a different discussion. I probably should just pay the $5 to rent say Avengers: Civil War on Amazon but it generally is a lot easier just play it on my TV-connected laptop than to deal with turning on the PS3 and loading the Amazon app (wait, gotta update again!) and dealing with those garbage controls within the app. But we're getting there, once i have a smarter TV and/or a firestick or whatever, it'll be easier to just load Amazon.

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 04:42 PM Re: How do you get your music?

d'Kong76 wrote: I buy cd's, but only used and never for more than $3 or so. I know a guy. I like iTunes, it's the only thing Apple I use. Forgot, if I'm doing stuff around the house I will also blast Music Choice channels on my Fios. Kasper hates channel 1813 - MCMetal.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 04:51 PM Re: How do you get your music?

That's not my argument at all. If they made piracy impossible (Net Neutrality elimination should help with that!) musicians wouldn't see another dime from me, nor would they recoup savings lost by my listening to a song. My listening to the music is not taking away product from someone else or consuming something (like alcohol) that someone else paid for. Dude, you're justifying ganking some shit for free. It boils down to simple capitalism I guess. What they're putting out isn't worth to me what they're charging. There are ways to sample it when i'm curious, so I do. There are similar models adopted in other industries, though not as a whole industry obviously, that are comparable. Take the "5 few article views a month" of the NY Times. I don't find a subscription worth my money, but maybe there's an article or two I want to read. The Times is choosing to offer you that deal. The labels and artists and not choosing to offer you the "all the songs for free" deal. I mean, as a global internet society we still haven't quite figured out the best way to charge for content. It's an ongoing thing. Is it advertising? paywalls? subscriptions? Personally I favor the Patreon model where you get some/most of something but supporters get more. What if half an album was free but you download 90% or 100% with a purchase? Yeah, that's cool, bro. But if the price of a thing is still x, and you decide to steal it, it's still theft. I'd like to see them, too, and I'd bet the conclusion is "people who jack shit for free tend to not start paying for stuff, just because". I mean, how many second albums have you purchased because you loved the stolen first one? I've seen suggestions to the contrary. I'm not a good example though, but I'll let you know if I love a first album. I mean, lately I haven't even bothered torrenting because I wouldn't even know what to type in. Once in a blue moon when I listen to music I usually just click "I'm feeling lucky" radio in Google Play, or click a curated playlist in free spotify, and mostly just to try to assimilate some 80s music pop hits knowledge for trivia purpose. Movies/tv shows I guess would be a different discussion. I probably should just pay the $5 to rent say Avengers: Civil War on Amazon but it generally is a lot easier just play it on my TV-connected laptop than to deal with turning on the PS3 and loading the Amazon app (wait, gotta update again!) and dealing with those garbage controls within the app. But we're getting there, once i have a smarter TV and/or a firestick or whatever, it'll be easier to just load Amazon. Laziness is a shitty justification for stealing a movie, isn't it? Pay the 5 bucks, man.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 05:01 PM Re: How do you get your music?

time is money. This is especially true of TV shows, which might be the most egregious right now. I'm so far behind now that most things are on Netflix or Amazon, but hell, the times I've had to download shows that I actually pay for and sometimes already record on the DVR because I missed an ep, or it was cut off early, or I fell behind or didn't have space on the box (which, of course, I can't offload to my own machine to make room) and the solution offered is a slower, crappier, untenable 'on demand' version. There's a problem when it's easier to download a show. Amazon and Netflix have really made strides in regards to this stuff though. Even a few years ago it wasn't as easy to just pay the $5 to rent a movie and have it on my TV screen. I shouldn't have to struggle to consume media. That's a problem, and if a solution is available to me, well so be it. I'm not denying it's a form of stealing, I just don't care. I know "they're rich and I'm not" is not an excuse, but if it's available to me to watch, I will. It's not like I'm pirating indie movies of talented people trying to break out. It's fucking Disney.

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 05:10 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Does anyone remember around what year Napster stopped being a thing you could go on and download music from all over the world? That was the year I stopped stealing music. Seems like forever ago.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 05:16 PM Re: How do you get your music?

2003 maybe? there were a couple of imitators (with video!) for a while but torrenting took off pretty soon after that. There was a lot about Napster and Kazaa and whatnot that were very pre social media. sharing memes and silly videos and the like. I definitely downloaded some weird Star Wars "Darth Vader working at the fry place" audio things off Napster in college.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 05:19 PM Re: How do you get your music?

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 05:21 PM Re: How do you get your music?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Don't judge me bro, it was all the rage! haha

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 06:11 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I had a Napster-only computer at my work in 2000. I remember an mp3 got flagged by RIAA, I think it was something by Roy Orbison. #scaredstraight

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 06:16 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Yeah, I think I was using it for a few months closer to 2000 than 2004. I don't recall why I abruptly stopped. I kinda remember there was a big mofo battle over the yays and nays of whether it was 'ok' but I could be wrong.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 06:29 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I'm pretty sure there was that discussion at the MOFO. I was totally Ceetar on that issue circa Y2K.

Edgy MD Dec 05 2017 06:37 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday.

41Forever Dec 05 2017 06:57 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: It's not like I'm pirating indie movies of talented people trying to break out. It's fucking Disney. I'm confused. I know you don't like corporations, but it's OK to steal from a large business but not from a small one?

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 07:05 PM Re: How do you get your music?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'm pretty sure there was that discussion at the MOFO. I was totally Ceetar on that issue circa Y2K. Sure, but the counter argument was "we're the record labels and rolling in it anyway, but give us $30 for a CD that you don't even know if the songs are good" I remember when Metallic got their music pulled so you had to type in 'metalllica' with three ls to download it. Which I did. And I literally couldn't tell you a name of a Metallica song today if pressed. And we have it good today. But like, 2001 and in college and literally did not control the cable, or the availability. I couldn't have 'paid' Fox/UPN for Buffy if I wanted to, but I COULD download it. I could maybe run to Blockbuster and see if one of the three copies of that popular movie was available. Or I could download it and watch it. Blockbuster would still be around if the industry had decided to innovate with new tech and understand the changing world instead of clamping down and trying to sue college kids. Netflix was founded in 1997, blockbuster online happened in 2004 or so. Guess which one's around today, and dominant. And perhaps* a huge player in where the internet goes via Net Neutrality stuff. Here's another one that pisses me off, and it's where video is going as we 'cut cords' from cable only to tie 17 cords to various different places. HBO has it's own thing. Disney has it's own thing. MLB has it's own thing (or different things on different platforms anyway). I'm going to have to pay Netflix for Marvel, but Disney for Frozen2 but MLB for the Mets. keep in mind Marvel, Frozen and MLB are all the same company. Although I guess it's possible Disney succeeds in moving Marvel to it's own channel. Look at this from a consumer standpoint. Right now I get Marvel and Netflix at the same time, for one price. Disney is proposing separating them to double charge me. And then charge me again for the Mets, which they kinda already do. (once cable is fully dead and I can get MLB.tv in NJ) No new content, just new charges. Stuff like this spawns piracy. It's not like I can _just_ buy the Mets, Frozen 2, and Daredevil 4. I have to buy all three packages. *not really perhaps. for sure. They already are.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 07:07 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's not like I'm pirating indie movies of talented people trying to break out. It's fucking Disney. I'm confused. I know you don't like corporations, but it's OK to steal from a large business but not from a small one? I don't have a problem with corporations, i have a problem with republicans treating them better than people. I'm just not bending over backwards to pay corporations when they make it difficult and try to bleed me dry.

41Forever Dec 05 2017 07:36 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's not like I'm pirating indie movies of talented people trying to break out. It's fucking Disney. I'm confused. I know you don't like corporations, but it's OK to steal from a large business but not from a small one? I don't have a problem with corporations, i have a problem with republicans treating them better than people. I'm just not bending over backwards to pay corporations when they make it difficult and try to bleed me dry. Disney is bleeding you dry?

Nymr83 Dec 05 2017 07:41 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: It's not like I'm pirating indie movies of talented people trying to break out. It's fucking Disney. I'm confused. I know you don't like corporations, but it's OK to steal from a large business but not from a small one? I don't have a problem with corporations, i have a problem with republicans treating them better than people. I'm just not bending over backwards to pay corporations when they make it difficult and try to bleed me dry. Stop stealing and the corporations will be paying more taxes. 35% (20 post trump plan) of what you steal ia coming straight out of welfare, jerk! ;)

Edgy MD Dec 05 2017 07:41 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I disagree that we have it good today. I think we have it so incredibly bad that we don't know how bad we've got it.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 07:52 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: Disney is bleeding you dry? As I described above, they're basically having meetings as we speak to discuss how best to charge me three separate times to stream content they own.

d'Kong76 Dec 05 2017 07:56 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: Disney is bleeding you dry? Disney is probably not your best example here, they bleed everyone dry who comes within sniffing distance of them.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 08:13 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: 41Forever wrote: Disney is bleeding you dry? As I described above, they're basically having meetings as we speak to discuss how best to charge me three separate times to stream content they own. Christ, Ceets. It's still their content and they can charge whatever the hell they want for it. If Disney's shit is too inconvenient for you to get, then don't buy it. If it's too expensive, don't buy it. But you're not some kinda Robin Hood sticking it to 'the Man' by stealing Star Wars movies on the internet. Apologies if I'm coming across as a prick. But they're 'bleeding you dry' over optional entertainment. This isn't Pharma Bro jacking the price of HIV meds.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 08:15 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Right, it's not Pharma Bro, so why are you so up in arms that I've got a downloaded blue ray rip of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 on my computer?

HahnSolo Dec 05 2017 08:30 PM Re: How do you get your music?

So, anyway...My music listening is varied these days. - All my old stuff on CDs, at least the stuff that I want to listen to regularly, exists in an iTunes library. I listen to that a lot while riding a train or working out. I can't remember the last CD I bought, though I'm expecting a couple of copies of the new U2 to show up any minute (they were included when I bought pre-sale tickets to their show). - Free Pandora; I don't find the commercials to be a problem. I survived four decades listening to commercial radio, a few ads won't kill me. - Free iHeart Radio; lately I've been on a Classic American Top 40 kick. - and most recently my kids got me a cheap vinyl player for my birthday, so I've been listening to some of my old LPs. There's also a tap room/vinyl shop within driving distance so I've picked up a few things there that I never owned in vinyl. FYI my college-age daughter is all about Spotify.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2017 08:42 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: Right, it's not Pharma Bro, so why are you so up in arms that I've got a downloaded blue ray rip of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 on my computer? I don't know, man. I thought it was the different justifications, but honestly, I think it's the tasty irony of you railing against the policies and decisions of our morally bankrupt politicians, but because theft of intellectual property isn't important to you, then this stealing shit is a-ok.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 08:46 PM Re: How do you get your music?

not a-ok so much, but imo real theft requires an intent to repurpose it as your own, or make money off it, or something. Like if I stay in a movie theater for a second movie, is that really theft of intellectual property? If I only watch TV through my neighbor's window? Use their WiFi?

Edgy MD Dec 05 2017 08:51 PM Re: How do you get your music?

1. Yes, that's larceny. 2. No, that's tresspassing. 3. Depends on the state. But you're obscuring the issue in order to create more ambiguity than there is.

Nymr83 Dec 05 2017 09:27 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Tv through your neighbors window is not trespassing if you can see it from the public sidewalk! But your neighbor could drag the TV out to his yard and have a giant viewing party - as long as your neighbor isn't a commercial establishment he wouldn't be breaking any rules

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 09:30 PM Re: How do you get your music?

well no, that's not larceny. It'd probably be trespassing. But then, technically, so is buying a ticket for one movie and changing your mind and walking into a different theater. The second is definitely not a crime, provided you're on your own property and not using like binoculars. using a WiFi is definitely a gray area that hasn't really been firmly defined, legally. Especially if it's an open network. There's plenty of ambiguity in it all actually, but I'm not and haven't been pretending that it's legal. Way back when with Napster and the like, the part that was illegal was the sharing of it, not the having or listening/watching. It's the ambiguity of it all that's interesting. I mean, spotify basically fleeces the creator but it's legal so whatevs? None of these industries are struggling in the least bit, thriving if anything. maybe smotheringly so. I pirated the last Green Day album but I also paid for the Broadway show when that was a thing. So are they out ahead or behind by me downloading the album?

41Forever Dec 05 2017 09:48 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I think the music industry is definitely hurting. But I don't think whether or not an industry is hurting or not makes a difference. I also think that U2 might not notice the lost revenue, but the label needs to sell a lot of U2 CDs or downloads to be able to take a flier on an independent act. Just like the Avengers and Star Wars movies allow studios to make some more arty movies that won't bring as many people to the theater. I think that if someone makes a product that is intended to be sold, and you take it without authorization or paying for it, that's the wrong way to go. Now, you could borrow something from the library, which did pay for the product and likely with your tax dollars. I see that one a little differently. But I can see how some would disagree on that, too.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 09:50 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: I think the music industry is definitely hurting. But I don't think whether or not an industry is hurting or not makes a difference. I think that if someone makes a product that is intended to be sold, and you take it without authorization or paying for it, that's the wrong way to go. Now, you could borrow something from the library, which did pay for the product and likely with your tax dollars. I see that one a little differently. But I can see how some would disagree on that, too. What if I take a movie/book out of the library and copy it onto my computer so I can read it after the loan expires?

Edgy MD Dec 05 2017 09:53 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar makes his own rules. Gives no shits.

Ceetar Dec 05 2017 10:01 PM Re: How do you get your music?

the second part, definitely. There are a zillion things on my plate that I just don't have shits to give about some of it. How best to receive my media is certainly one of them. The rules are changing! They've been changing! I'm curious about them, how they're going to evolve, how they should evolve. There are problems with the existing ones.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 05 2017 10:15 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar you're a dirty thief and a poor justifier of your dirty thiefdom. If I were in Metallica I'd totally el kabong you with a Gibson SG. I stream but as Seo would attest, losing the fun and lively Rdio platform was a bad injury to how much I get out of it. I used to stream all damn day at work (I was stealing my company's time) but now mostly do it I at home. I am one of the few US citizens using Deezer, which is Spotify's French competitor. It's a little sloppy on the cataloging and the UI isn't great but it is supposed to stream at highest quality levels. It has existing but underdeveloped social features so I can share stuff with other users and find peeps who like the same stuff I listen to. Pandora bought Rdio and brought it back as a soulless mobile-only product that was one of the biggest disappointments I'd ever encountered. A complete waste!

dgwphotography Dec 05 2017 10:53 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I generally buy the CD so I can have a hard copy in addition to what is on my phone. I also stream through the music choice app which is a nice benefit of having Optimum.

Ashie62 Dec 05 2017 11:13 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I play my guitar and what I do listen to generally comes from You Tube. I am technically challenged and am taking a course on home recording to get my dang album online. I keep it very simple and legal.

Lundy Dec 05 2017 11:24 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I got a Google Play account years ago and I was grandfathered into their $7.99/month plan, and I love it. Almost everything I like to listen to is on Google Play. I haven't bought a CD in probably 10 years or so. Being a child from the 70s of course I grew up on vinyl, so I can appreciate those who love the medium. But given the choice between taking my music everywhere I go vs. devoting the real estate and maintenance involved with a vinyl setup, I choose streaming every day of the week.

metirish Dec 06 2017 12:45 AM Re: How do you get your music?

Last FM used to be pretty good, dead for years too Damn , it's still alive but as a scrobbler , I didn't download it. I have Amazon prime, I should give their streaming service a shot

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 12:52 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I can't convince my wife to accept the difference between high-end audio and second-hand bottom-shelf stuff that somebody has given us out of pity. I try to convince her to embrace the outlay and that she'll never be sorry, and she waves bills in my face. It's pretty clear that I'm not getting the system I want (deserve!), or even one comparable to what I had as a young man until the house is paid off and my ears are useless, rubbery appendages. The irony, of course, is that she's a musician and stuff.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 12:54 AM Re: How do you get your music?

And thats the funny thing, most of us are probably Prime members and they have like 2,000,000 songs I've never listened to once. (I got an email the other day) OE: response to mi...

metirish Dec 06 2017 01:07 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I just checked out the Amazon music app, not great, and from what I could see you can't type in an artist and play that station, maybe you can if you have the dedicated Prime music sub? I deleted the app .

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 01:18 AM Re: How do you get your music?

Yes, I think the email said you need an app.

metirish Dec 06 2017 01:58 AM Re: How do you get your music?

You can get Amazon Unlimited Music for 99c for 3 months then $7:99 a month. Honestly, I already have a Sirius XM sub so I don't need/want another sub. Pandora Premium looks enticing but I don't feel like I would use it enough.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 02:35 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I didn't read the fine print; email made it sound like I'm missing out on something I'm already paying for.

Nymr83 Dec 06 2017 02:54 AM Re: How do you get your music?

I'm pretty sure the 'unlimited music' is different from 'prime music' which you are already paying for

Ceetar Dec 06 2017 03:36 AM Re: How do you get your music?

Am i doing this right?

Nymr83 Dec 06 2017 04:47 AM Re: How do you get your music?

Taylor Swift? You are definitely doing something wrong.

Lefty Specialist Dec 06 2017 01:08 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I get my music the old fashioned way. I pay street urchins to play fiddle outside my window. Oh, and iTunes.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 01:26 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Nymr83 wrote: Taylor Swift? You are definitely doing something wrong. Hahaha lol

41Forever Dec 06 2017 02:03 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Edgy MD wrote: I can't convince my wife to accept the difference between high-end audio and second-hand bottom-shelf stuff that somebody has given us out of pity. I try to convince her to embrace the outlay and that she'll never be sorry, and she waves bills in my face. It's pretty clear that I'm not getting the system I want (deserve!), or even one comparable to what I had as a young man until the house is paid off and my ears are useless, rubbery appendages. The irony, of course, is that she's a musician and stuff. You know, Edgy, thinking about your challenges here. If I'm Samsung, I want people using my high-end equipment. The electronics industry is doing just fine and Best Buy is bleeding people dry. You should get the system you deserve. Go in there and take one off the shelf. You are entitled to it. :)

seawolf17 Dec 06 2017 02:15 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: You know, Edgy, thinking about your challenges here. If I'm Samsung, I want people using my high-end equipment. The electronics industry is doing just fine and Best Buy is bleeding people dry. You should get the system you deserve. Go in there and take one off the shelf. You are entitled to it. :) BOC.

Vic Sage Dec 06 2017 02:47 PM Re: How do you get your music?

last year during Chanukah, i gave my son a CD on the 3rd night. He looked at it like i'd just given him a buggy whip. This year, i'm giving him a Spotify subscription (despite my personal feelings about the way they treat the artists). As for me, i still have all my vinyl and an extensive CD collection. I've been gradually moving all of it to iTunes, despite how much i hate the iTunes program, and all my new purchases are thru iTunes. But i do miss liner notes and lyric sheets, and album cover art presented in a 12x12 format... not to mention the usefulness of a double album when cleaning your pot. You can't clean your pot on a download, fellas.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 06 2017 03:08 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar is the Ryan Zinke, the Steve Mnuchin, the Donald Trump of intellectual property. Fuck it, just take it! If it's wrong or immoral, but doesn't affect me directly, then is it even a bad thing? Who can say?!

Ceetar Dec 06 2017 03:11 PM Re: How do you get your music?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Ceetar is the Ryan Zinke, the Steve Mnuchin, the Donald Trump of intellectual property. Fuck it, just take it! If it's wrong or immoral, but doesn't affect me directly, then is it even a bad thing? Who can say?! doesn't affect anyone directly. probably doesn't affect anyone indirectly either. Did you ever make a mix-tape off the radio? I heard that was a thing once upon a time.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 05:00 PM Re: How do you get your music?

41Forever wrote: The electronics industry is doing just fine and Best Buy is bleeding people dry. I've never felt particularly bled dry by Best Buy. I wouldn't buy cables or certain accessories there but if I need a TV or a receiver (and want to see it before buying) you really don't have many choices any more. The prices are reasonable and the sales staff I've had to deal with are courteous and knowledgeable.

41Forever Dec 06 2017 05:10 PM Re: How do you get your music?

The electronics industry is doing just fine and Best Buy is bleeding people dry. I've never felt particularly bled dry by Best Buy. I wouldn't buy cables or certain accessories there but if I need a TV or a receiver (and want to see it before buying) you really don't have many choices any more. The prices are reasonable and the sales staff I've had to deal with are courteous and knowledgeable. You missed the joke I was making. :)

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 05:17 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Might have helped if I didn't stop at bleeding people dry. I was wondering why that post got a BOC... I will rmpl in the future...

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 05:48 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Ceetar is the Ryan Zinke, the Steve Mnuchin, the Donald Trump of intellectual property. Fuck it, just take it! If it's wrong or immoral, but doesn't affect me directly, then is it even a bad thing? Who can say?! doesn't affect anyone directly. probably doesn't affect anyone indirectly either. Did you ever make a mix-tape off the radio? I heard that was a thing once upon a time. For idiots and saps, maybe. Meanwhile, the recording industry made a huge deal with the cassette tape industry, waiving all challenges to the right to transfer music from it's market format to cassette, in exchange for a cut of the sales of cassettes, which was redistributed proportionally to the artists, publishers, and labels whose music was being recorded. Fair use! Legal! So this analogy falls apart like a cassette whose tape has all spooled out.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 05:51 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Edgy MD wrote: Meanwhile, the recording industry made a huge deal with the cassette tape industry, waiving all challenges to the right to transfer music from it's market format to cassette, in exchange for a cut of the sales of cassettes, which was redistributed proportionally to the artists, publishers, and labels whose music was being recorded. I never knew that.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 05:53 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Looking to back that up, I went to the Straight Dope Message Board, and amazingly, the poster over there delivering the straight dope was our own Reality Chuck.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 05:57 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Celebrity in our midst!

Ceetar Dec 06 2017 06:37 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: Did you ever make a mix-tape off the radio? I heard that was a thing once upon a time. For idiots and saps, maybe. Meanwhile, the recording industry made a huge deal with the cassette tape industry, waiving all challenges to the right to transfer music from it's market format to cassette, in exchange for a cut of the sales of cassettes, which was redistributed proportionally to the artists, publishers, and labels whose music was being recorded. Fair use! Legal! So this analogy falls apart like a cassette whose tape has all spooled out. Well no, it doesn't, because if you tried to sell a cassette of a recording off the radio, or hell, a better medium recording that wasn't subject to ambient noise, you could be sued. Though it's legal to have the cassette. or the download.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 06:50 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Anybody ever in history that bought a cassette taped off the radio was a sap and a dope. Anybody who dreamed they could make a living this way was more of a sap. More of a dope. They were breaking the law, and marketing crap. Nobody here, I would guess has ever engaged in this enterprise. So your attempt at moral equivalence is the stretchiest of stretches.

Ceetar Dec 06 2017 06:51 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I'm not selling my taylor swift album either.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 06:52 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I didn't say you were. You're the one who brought up resale. You're talking in circles.

Ceetar Dec 06 2017 07:00 PM Re: How do you get your music?

not really. I'm not even trying to convince you of anything. You brought up that cassettes partially funded musicians as if that for some reason makes it not intellectual theft but somehow digital is?

Mets Willets Point Dec 06 2017 07:00 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I'm a Tidal subscriber. Don't really have a functioning CD player anymore for all my old CDs (which I copied to an external drive which I also don't have access to currently). I also have some old tapes that I have nothing to play them on. So I stream.

41Forever Dec 06 2017 07:07 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I remember when I first got a car stereo with a cassette player, and it was the coolest thing ever. Until it finally ate a tape, and I was afraid to ever stick another cassette in there again.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2017 08:16 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Ceetar wrote: not really. Really, and at length. Ceetar wrote: I'm not even trying to convince you of anything. This is you, talking in circles. As if this absurd argument about taping off the radio is relevant to anybody. Ceetar wrote: You brought up that cassettes partially funded musicians... I didn't bring up cassettes. I stupidly responded to you with facts. Ceetar wrote: ... as if that for some reason makes it not intellectual theft but somehow digital is? Permission to do something makes it not theft. It's so terrifically easy.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2017 08:29 PM Re: How do you get your music?

I was thinking before, in addition to Napster use I also had an illegal cable box for about two years before they made their networks so much more secure. Free movies, soft porn, pay-per-view events... it was the cats ball and more. I'm against all that stuff now and think you should pay for stuff you consume. Just examining my conscience and admitting I wasn't always legit either.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 07 2017 06:26 PM Re: How do you get your music?

@TransMonk Not sure if you saw this one, dude, but I remember you bought the Singles soundtrack re-release on vinyl. For RSD, they released this PONCIER vinyl. It was nowhere to be found in NM, but some record store in Maine (I think) was selling it, and I nabbed one. EDIT: Still in stock if you're interested --> http://www.bullmoose.com/p/26043797/poncier-poncier Chris Cornell as Cliff Poncier, so cool. I'm not sure yet if Cliff's answering machine song he left for Janet is on here somewhere. "I'm walking down the avenue, hooo hooo hoo, hoo-hoo-hoo...." [youtube]0HfLI8_q1II[/youtube]

TransMonk Dec 07 2017 07:21 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Oooooo...good find! I think most (if not all) of these tracks were included with the bonus disc that came with the Singles LP, but I'm definitely considering purchasing this as a stand alone just for the artwork and cool factor as they are not charging an arm and a leg for it. The answering machine message is not included on the Singles LP bonus disc. I surely wish it was.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 07 2017 07:29 PM Re: How do you get your music?

Oooooo...good find! I think most (if not all) of these tracks were included with the bonus disc that came with the Singles LP, but I'm definitely considering purchasing this as a stand alone just for the artwork and cool factor as they are not charging an arm and a leg for it. The answering machine message is not included on the Singles LP bonus disc. I surely wish it was. Ah, yah, it does look like they're on the bonus disc, expect for Seasons, which is on the main one. Not sure if it's a different version, it just arrived a little bit ago and I haven't put it on yet. I'll check it out when I get a few free minutes. Edit: for the record, my record is red, not green. Not sure the difference, if any.

A Boy Named Seo Dec 08 2017 01:38 AM Re: How do you get your music?

Also, "Seasons" is the main release version. Does sound like you have all the material already. :-/ I have a newfound respect for Cliff Poncier, though. Screw Citizen Dick and those underachievers after all.