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Offer Harv an Extension

Centerfield Jan 03 2018 10:17 PM

Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020. If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway.

Ceetar Jan 03 2018 10:26 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Centerfield wrote: Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020. If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway. why would he take that? He'd basically have to think he's done and it's his last paycheck. even a middling season and he's getting three times that, if not nearly that much just for 2019 on a QO from the Mets. maybe you could get him on 3/45. 2018-2020 but you'd probably need the last one to be a mutual option.

cooby Jan 03 2018 11:05 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

But if they don't contend, it'll be that much less money for the future. I'd like to have him around but I just don't know what he's worth at this point in the road.

Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 11:31 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020. If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway. why would he take that? He'd basically have to think he's done and it's his last paycheck. He has every good reason to suspect as much. And $24 million is purty good last paycheck. And if he's not done, the bigger $$ waits two years down the road. Not that I'm endorsing this offer, but yeah, he'd certainly have good reason to accept it.

Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 11:51 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Harvey only takes that offer if he knows something negative about his own health that we don't. I wouldn't offer it.

Zvon Jan 04 2018 12:49 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 04 2018 12:50 AM

Nymr83 wrote: Harvey only takes that offer if he knows something negative about his own health that we don't. I wouldn't offer it. cooby wrote: But if they don't contend, it'll be that much less money for the future. I'd like to have him around but I just don't know what he's worth at this point in the road. ^Those things Too much of a gamble at this point. By now Harvey knows if he'll ever be 2013 Harvey again, I figure. IMO accepting would be like conceding. I would like the Mets to offer him an extension though, but after a few months into the season. See what he's got in the tank.

Zvon Jan 04 2018 12:50 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

dagnabbitt!

Lefty Specialist Jan 04 2018 02:06 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville. I wouldn't offer anything until he proves there's a little more than fumes in that tank. Personally I don't think he'll ever be the pitcher he was in 2013 or even 2015. Sometimes the body betrays you.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 03:16 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I'm not sure what I'm missing, but it seems to me that offering Matt Harvey an extension of even $1, while not offering an extension to Jacob deGrom, is Kevin Bass ackwards.

Centerfield Jan 04 2018 03:25 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

These things are not mutually exclusive. I just saw an opportunity for a bargain. In truth, deGrom, Noah and Familia all deserve extensions. Our window to compete should remain open indefinitely and Mets fans, for all we put up with, deserve a championship. But I’ll start with Harvey.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 03:51 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I know two things. The first is that I don't deserve anything, and the second is that Harvey deserves less. I'd sooner extend Flores. I'd sooner extend Familia. Harvey had the highest ERA in team history among pitchers that made as many starts. That's a lot of dudes over a lot of bad years. What he deserves is to sing for his supper.

Ashie62 Jan 04 2018 04:00 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Would not make that offer. I could see Matt becoming a real dog, healthy or not. Degrom first please.

Centerfield Jan 04 2018 04:02 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I never said Harvey deserves anything. I see an opportunity for a bargain and I think the extension is a good gamble. I don’t know that any fan deserves a championship. I was being flippant there. I do believe that all fans deserve a team that is committed to winning a championship. And I think that such a pursuit should be goal number 1. Above monetary gains. If you want to maximize profits, go start a hedge fund. And any owner who does not so commit should be stripped of their team. There is no shortage of stupid rich guys who fit this profile. No reason one team should be handicapped with a bunch of imbeciles.

Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 04:15 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Centerfield wrote: I never said Harvey deserves anything. Centerfield wrote: In truth, deGrom, Noah and Familia all deserve extensions. If I was Lily Tomlin, I'd counter that Harvey deserves a social disease. But I'm not. Besides he's probably already been down that road once or twice. But you're right, Harvey isn't there.

Zvon Jan 04 2018 05:34 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Lefty Specialist wrote: Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville. I wouldn't offer anything until he proves there's a little more than fumes in that tank. Personally I don't think he'll ever be the pitcher he was in 2013 or even 2015. Sometimes the body betrays you. .....Palookaville. lolol

Ceetar Jan 04 2018 01:01 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Well Harvey is first up for free agency, so his situation is more immediate. but there were definite hard calls for the Mets to extend at least 3 of those pitchers to big long term contracts years ago.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2018 01:41 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I'd let Harvey drift away. No offer of an extension. Focus instead on deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Gsellman, and Lugo. And Montero too, I guess. There's no guarantee that you'll find four or five solid starters among them, but Harvey seems the least likely to succeed. I really doubt that he'll ever be what he was. Maybe he can reinvent himself some day as a crafty old lefty, but in order to do that, he'd have to start by learning to pitch left-handed.

Centerfield Jan 04 2018 04:29 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Off topic, have you guys seen the clips online of Darvisg throwing left handed? Throws a fastball, slider and change up. These guys are super human.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 04 2018 05:06 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

The only extension Harvey's going to get this year is from his own stash of Viagra. And you know he probably has buckets of that.

41Forever Jan 04 2018 05:14 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I see the thinking with Harvey. Buy low if you think he can turn it around. If he takes the deal and pitches well, he's also a good trading chip while under contract.

d'Kong76 Jan 04 2018 05:24 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Lefty Specialist wrote: Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville. Yeah, I don't really get this thread at all. If he's decent and the Mets suck my guess is he's traded for a little of this or that in July. It won't be huge, not huge I tell ya.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2018 06:41 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

$12M per for a guy coming off the seasons he just had, with the injury history he has... is NOT buying low.

Centerfield Jan 05 2018 02:52 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I guess it depends if you think he will bounce back. I think he will. Even if it's not to what he was before. I think it's likely he will become either a serviceable starter, or maybe he reinvents himself as a whack-job dominant reliever. I'd gamble 2 years, 24 million on that. The guy is such a mystery. I mean, he could win the Cy Young or he could be cut by July.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 02:56 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I tend to think that no non-tendering him was the extension. Or that the Mets think so. The ice is thin.

d'Kong76 Jan 05 2018 02:59 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I really like the whack-job dominant reliever thing. Come in all juiced up with the bases loaded and strike out the side on eleven pitches (two just miss, getting squeezed by Blue) and the crowd goes wild!! (of course this may very well happen in pinstripes but...)

Nymr83 Jan 05 2018 06:59 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I really like the whack-job dominant reliever thing. Come in all juiced up with the bases loaded and strike out the side on eleven pitches (two just miss, getting squeezed by Blue) and the crowd goes wild!! Harvey = Rocker, you all see it!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2018 07:08 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I also think it's a good possiblility they will offer Harvey an extension of spring training top get his shot together.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 06 2018 08:44 AM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Centerfield wrote: I guess it depends if you think he will bounce back. I think he will. Even if it's not to what he was before. I think it's likely he will become either a serviceable starter, or maybe he reinvents himself as a whack-job dominant reliever. I'd gamble 2 years, 24 million on that. The guy is such a mystery. I mean, he could win the Cy Young or he could be cut by July. I would stake the life of my child that he will not be Cy Young- worthy. And even if you think he might, the smart buy is to make him an offer that prices the risk in there.

Centerfield Jan 06 2018 12:19 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I thought I was pricing the risk. There is a chance he will suck, at which point 24 over 2 is a tough pill to swallow. There is a probability that he will be somewhere in the range of kinda ok to pretty good. At which point the price is livable, more or less, depending on where he falls. And then there is a chance he bounces back to what he was, in which case the 24 million is a steal. I have nothing at all to base this on except blind faith, but I think he will be good to great, rather than a bust. But I'm not married to the price tag. I could be talked down. How much would you offer if anything?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2018 01:19 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I'm not sure I would offer anything, but if I were inclined to make the gamble you propose, I'd go for more like $18 million over the two years. Maybe $16 million. He might not be inclined to take it, but I think the odds are that his upside is pretty mediocre from here forward.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2018 05:48 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I also think it's a good possiblility they will offer Harvey an extension of spring training top get his shot together. Good one.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 06 2018 06:27 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm not sure I would offer anything, but if I were inclined to make the gamble you propose, I'd go for more like $18 million over the two years. Maybe $16 million. He might not be inclined to take it, but I think the odds are that his upside is pretty mediocre from here forward. From what I've been reading in the press this off-season, I don't think the Mets can afford to offer Harvey 2/$18M. Their budget appears to be severely limited and starting pitching, even with all of last season's injuries, is still the Mets biggest strength -- even without Harvey.

Frayed Knot Jan 06 2018 08:29 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Harvey made $5+ this past year and, just by the nature of service time as a factor in the arbitration process, is probably due at least a small bump from there despite 2017's suckitude, so it's not like suddenly paying him $8 or $9 instead (as the above proposals suggest) is going to bust the budget. The question is to what degree they believe he's got some good pitching left in him.

cooby Jan 06 2018 08:33 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I'd say sign him for $9

TheOldMole Jan 06 2018 08:53 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I am so sick of the Mets’ limited budget.

Edgy MD Jan 06 2018 08:59 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

I imagine Harvey wouldn't be offered a two-year, $24 million extension by any team.

cooby Jan 06 2018 09:07 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

TheOldMole wrote: I am so sick of the Mets’ limited budget. How about it ? :D These guys are making way too much money if we don't even bother adding an M to their salary anymore

Zvon Jan 06 2018 11:16 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

cooby wrote: I'd say sign him for $9 Lmao. I wish we had a set up like fb so we could laugh without having to post. Makes for a tough gig, comic wise. You never know when you are being funny unless someone wastes a post letting you know. *adjusts tie FB is detrimental to my surfing. After being there 15 minutes, I come here, read up, and then sit looking at the screen waiting for the page to refresh itself. For another 15 minutes. ;)

Benjamin Grimm Jan 12 2018 03:46 PM Re: Offer Harv an Extension

Daily News reporting that the Mets and Harvey have agreed to a $5,625,000 contract for 2018, avoiding arbitration.