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Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 01:34 PM

Thirteen months ago, the talk was all Andrew-this and McCutchen-that, and, well, though nothing came of it, it looks like he never fell off the Mets' radar. Ken "Pee-Wee" Rosenthal with the scoop.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 05 2018 01:38 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

The Mets have shopped Matt Harvey, but it’s unclear if Pittsburgh is interested in the 28-year-old. Harvey for McCutchen? Hmmmm... I think I'd be okay with that!

Zvon Jan 05 2018 01:58 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Mets have shopped Matt Harvey, but it’s unclear if Pittsburgh is interested in the 28-year-old. Harvey for McCutchen? Hmmmm... I think I'd be okay with that! I'd do it in a heartbeat. That'd be a steal and a half! But also, sadly, a reflection of how far Mattman has fallen. I hope this kind of talk motivates Matt, as opposed to making him a sulking sissyboy.

Centerfield Jan 05 2018 02:20 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Pirates don't seem to be in "win now" mode, so I don't see what Harvey would do for them. More likely Nimmo/Lagares would be going the other way. Maybe Dom Smith. McCutchen had good overall numbers last year, but he was super streaky. Basically just went nutty in June and July but was pretty pedestrian (or even pretty bad) the rest of the year. I'd be on board with this but we shouldn't give up too much for this guy.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 02:25 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutcheon ... Again

He's also not the centerfielder he was, and it created a political to-do when it was suggested that he might be moved to a corner. He wouldn't have the sort of equity with a new team to dictate where he'd play. But that wouldn't be much of an issue anyhow in Metland, where they've spent much of the last two years forcing a corner outfielder into center.

cooby Jan 05 2018 02:57 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Really love McCutchen...would love him as a Met. However, I also love the Pirates and don't wish Harvey on them. Also I want McCutchen to stay a Pirate. Marte is an excellent player and the fans adore them both, but Marte left them down last year and it's a good thing McCutchen was still there. Not sure what the Pirates have in mind.

Ceetar Jan 05 2018 03:22 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

all the McCutchen talk is basically that it's going nowhere though, and that the Mets might prefer a FA. And somehow writers fail to mention Lorenzo Cain when 'reporting' this.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 03:25 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Why is "reporting" in quotes?

Ceetar Jan 05 2018 03:28 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Why is "reporting" in quotes? because 99% of the posts/tweets/links on it are literally just regurgitating and provide no additional context or even speculation.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 03:47 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Reporting on a story that somebody else broke and giving the original scoop as your source is still reporting. Sharing in the report that talks "don't have much traction" and that the Mets "might prefer a free agent" is providing context. You're complaining that there's no context at the same time you're complaining that the context is so mitigating as to discredit the lede. Meanwhile, poor Ashie is dying for a rumor. He finally gets one and you hate on it coming and going.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2018 03:48 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I'd be very happy to get him, and would figure we have the pitching to trade for it (Harv, matz, Gsellman, Lugo, Wheely etc). If they also want a prospect they can have one of ours. I've long thought the Mets ought to be looking for guys by trade vs. Free Agency. It just works better from a Wilpon standpoint. If we're 9 games out in July, there's a tasty trade chip too.

Ceetar Jan 05 2018 03:54 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Reporting on a story that somebody else broke and giving the original scoop as your source is still reporting. Sharing in the report that talks "don't have much traction" and that the Mets "might prefer a free agent" is providing context. You're complaining that there's no context at the same time you're complaining that the context is so mitigating as to discredit the lede. Meanwhile, poor Ashie is dying for a rumor. He finally gets one and you hate on it coming and going. there have been dozens of these if he was looking. And they're all the same. it's click-baity column-filling reporting. the worst kind. "The Mets checked to see if McCutchen's cost has changed. It hadn't." This thread could've been posted exactly as is without the link and it'd change nothing.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 03:59 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Why do you hate Ashie? I'm wearied by continued reports that X team (the Mets) can't trade for big league talent because they don't have the prospects. As if their players graduating to the majors and not appearing on prospect lists suddenly makes them untradeable. Every team has enough talent to trade for any player in the league, just about. It may not match up as a good deal, but the idea that a trade is suddenly out of the question is absurd.

Lefty Specialist Jan 05 2018 04:02 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I like McCutchen, but he's a right fielder at this point, and we've already got one of those.

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2018 09:00 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Lefty Specialist wrote: I like McCutchen, but he's a right fielder at this point, and we've already got one of those. He's also 31 y/o and in the final year of his deal. Y'all need to factor that in before diving in to committing multiple young players in your deals to get him.

d'Kong76 Jan 05 2018 09:04 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Five years ago this would excite me, 2018 hardly much...

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2018 09:05 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Why do you hate Ashie? I'm wearied by continued reports that X team (the Mets) can't trade for big league talent because they don't have the prospects. As if their players graduating to the majors and not appearing on prospect lists suddenly makes them untradeable. Every team has enough talent to trade for any player in the league, just about. It may not match up as a good deal, but the idea that a trade is suddenly out of the question is absurd. Maybe we can send Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson and Dan Norman to the Angels for Mike Trout.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 09:09 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Frayed Knot wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: I like McCutchen, but he's a right fielder at this point, and we've already got one of those. He's also 31 y/o and in the final year of his deal. Y'all need to factor that in before diving in to committing multiple young players in your deals to get him. Hey, y'all, I ain't committed nobuddy.

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 09:10 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Why do you hate Ashie? I'm wearied by continued reports that X team (the Mets) can't trade for big league talent because they don't have the prospects. As if their players graduating to the majors and not appearing on prospect lists suddenly makes them untradeable. Every team has enough talent to trade for any player in the league, just about. It may not match up as a good deal, but the idea that a trade is suddenly out of the question is absurd. Maybe we can send Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson and Dan Norman to the Angels for Mike Trout. I like how you somehow make this deal while hanging on to Doug Flynn. Nice!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2018 09:17 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Why do you hate Ashie? I'm wearied by continued reports that X team (the Mets) can't trade for big league talent because they don't have the prospects. As if their players graduating to the majors and not appearing on prospect lists suddenly makes them untradeable. Every team has enough talent to trade for any player in the league, just about. It may not match up as a good deal, but the idea that a trade is suddenly out of the question is absurd. Maybe we can send Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson and Dan Norman to the Angels for Mike Trout. I like how you somehow make this deal while hanging on to Doug Flynn. Nice! If it's up to me, I'm not looking to overpay.

Ashie62 Jan 05 2018 10:11 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Why do you hate Ashie? I'm wearied by continued reports that X team (the Mets) can't trade for big league talent because they don't have the prospects. As if their players graduating to the majors and not appearing on prospect lists suddenly makes them untradeable. Every team has enough talent to trade for any player in the league, just about. It may not match up as a good deal, but the idea that a trade is suddenly out of the question is absurd. Your above posts referring Ashie have zero to do with me in this thread. Kindly redact or delete. Thanks I'm kinda p'od

Edgy MD Jan 05 2018 11:19 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I'm sorry. I certainly didn't mean to piss you off. You explicitly said you were disappointed that there were no rumors. And here ceets was, upset that journalists were repeating rumors. If I tweaking anybody, it was Mr. Ceetar, and he seemed to have taken it in the spirit it was intended.

Zvon Jan 05 2018 11:35 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: I certainly didn't mean to piss you off. You explicitly said you were disappointed that there were no rumors. And here ceets was, upset that journalists were repeating rumors. If I tweaking anybody, it was Mr. Ceetar. Your having a great day Edge. Sarcasm meter>[ /] Just kidding of course. We never REALLY get pissed at ya. Only kinda. *ducks Again...just kidding, lol Kool! I like how I made the sarcasm meter red.

smg58 Jan 06 2018 12:18 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

He's no longer viable in center. He was worth 2.5 WAR in a full season, Lagares was worth 1.8 WAR in slightly more than half. If you go get somebody, make sure he makes the team better.

Ashie62 Jan 06 2018 02:31 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: I'm sorry. I certainly didn't mean to piss you off. You explicitly said you were disappointed that there were no rumors. And here ceets was, upset that journalists were repeating rumors. If I tweaking anybody, it was Mr. Ceetar, and he seemed to have taken it in the spirit it was intended. OK, I didn't see any of my posts in tnis thread but I think I get it. Carry on. Now get McCutcheon dangit,

Ashie62 Jan 06 2018 02:34 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I certainly didn't mean to piss you off. You explicitly said you were disappointed that there were no rumors. And here ceets was, upset that journalists were repeating rumors. If I tweaking anybody, it was Mr. Ceetar. Your having a great day Edge. Sarcasm meter>[ /] Just kidding of course. We never REALLY get pissed at ya. Only kinda. *ducks Again...just kidding, lol Kool! I like how I made the sarcasm meter red. Kool! Remember Zvon, I know South Jersey on and off the Island! (humor intended.) I have even eaten with the Piney People and had my Mets cap removed. You are never far lol!

Zvon Jan 06 2018 04:22 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 06 2018 05:22 AM

I certainly didn't mean to piss you off. You explicitly said you were disappointed that there were no rumors. And here ceets was, upset that journalists were repeating rumors. If I tweaking anybody, it was Mr. Ceetar. Your having a great day Edge. Sarcasm meter>[ /] Just kidding of course. We never REALLY get pissed at ya. Only kinda. *ducks Again...just kidding, lol Kool! I like how I made the sarcasm meter red. Kool! Remember Zvon, I know South Jersey on and off the Island! (humor intended.) I have even eaten with the Piney People and had my Mets cap removed. You are never far lol! lol Uh-oh. Now I'll be ducking everywhere I go. OE: ^Does this vid show up for u guyz? Im getting an error message.

Ashie62 Jan 06 2018 05:10 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

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Rockin' Doc Jan 06 2018 02:56 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

He may not be quite the All-Star stud he once was, but I wouldn't mind adding McCutchen's bat to the line up, assuming the price isn't too steep. I don't expect the Mets are willing to commit the money that it would take to add a significant free agent to the line up, so I believe a trade is the team's most likely means of improving during the off season.

Centerfield Jan 06 2018 05:50 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I spent the night convincing myself on McCutchen too. Think of the cover derby headline: MCCLUTCHEN!!! So CPF. What does it take to get him? Nimmo and Gsellman?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 07 2018 12:48 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Andres Gimenez and Paul Sewald. Edit: that's probably too much. Marcos Molina, Paul Sewald and Matt Winaker

Zvon Jan 07 2018 01:57 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Centerfield wrote: I spent the night convincing myself on McCutchen too. Think of the cover derby headline: MCCLUTCHEN!!! So CPF. What does it take to get him? Nimmo and Gsellman? Classic headline, of course. Too bad they could only use it once. Well, maybe more like once a year. UGH, I'm guilty of committing the sin of coveting our young guys. I don't want to move any of 'em. I'd be such a horrible, horrible, GM. Either things would have to go storybookland, or we would go nowhere.

Centerfield Jan 07 2018 03:42 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Andres Gimenez and Paul Sewald. Edit: that's probably too much. Marcos Molina, Paul Sewald and Matt Winaker I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 07 2018 04:16 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Pirates want prospects, not established major Leaguers, and if Mets take on the $$ they may take less. Gimenez is apparently our top prospect today and we have a 21- y-o SS already. Sounds like trade bait to me.

Ashie62 Jan 07 2018 05:05 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pirates want prospects, not established major Leaguers, and if Mets take on the $$ they may take less. Gimenez is apparently our top prospect today and we have a 21- y-o SS already. Sounds like trade bait to me. Don't the Pirates just want to dump salary ? If so they pretty much get one "name" plus one A high ceiling player and one A as fodder. It's doable.

Ashie62 Jan 08 2018 12:28 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Can Rafael Palmeiro play 1B for us?? [url]https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/look-heres-proof-the-53-year-old-rafael-palmeiro-wants-to-make-a-comeback/

Rockin' Doc Jan 08 2018 01:11 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Please, give me a break. Give me a week to prepare and I believe I can hit 80 mph BP fastballs in a cage and I'm 57+ years old. Unfortunately, for Palmeiro (and me) they don't regularly throw 80 mph fastballs in MLB (or high school baseball for that matter) so his cage BP sessions don't really mean much.

Edgy MD Jan 08 2018 01:47 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I kind of enjoyed the prospect of Andres Gallaraga finishing-but-not-finishing his career with the Mets. I 95% suspected nothing would come of it, and nothing did, but stories make things interesting. I never saw such a massive set of guns as old Andres brought into camp. I mean, it's farce, but it's all farce at some level, and the investment was right (a minor league deal with a few dozen at bats), and the plug was pulled at the right time. That said, I don't think they're going there with Palmy.

Frayed Knot Jan 08 2018 02:01 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Palmiero first floated this idea about a month ago. I suspect the real reason behind this is that, if he manages to spend even one day back in the ML, it'll re-set his HOF clock and give himself another 10 year window where he hopes to run into a more forgiving group of voters and a changing view of that era.

Edgy MD Jan 08 2018 02:33 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Probably onto something there.

Centerfield Jan 08 2018 04:27 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Torn on this. I never liked him and think he’s a douchebag, but it would be cool to see a 53 year old major leaguer. I find myself hoping he succeeds despite the fact that it’s Palmeiro

Centerfield Jan 08 2018 04:28 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

And back to topic, if Molina Flexen Winaker gets it done you make that trade today.

41Forever Jan 08 2018 05:14 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Centerfield wrote: And back to topic, if Molina Flexen Winaker gets it done you make that trade today. You have to figure Lagares you have to move in that deal or another, no?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 08 2018 08:58 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

41Forever wrote: Centerfield wrote: And back to topic, if Molina Flexen Winaker gets it done you make that trade today. You have to figure Lagares you have to move in that deal or another, no? Not in that deal, if the Bucs are trying to shed payroll. Going to, say, a Lorenzo Cain sweepstakes runner-up? Maybe.

Edgy MD Jan 08 2018 01:32 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

They can take on a big league player and still shed payroll, just not as much. At the end of the day, they still have to field a team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 08 2018 03:29 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Yes, but not the best team, necessarily. As a matter of fact, if they're following their former division rivals' WS blueprint... not the best team, preferably. I mean, they're shopping Gerrit Cole-- who's not yet in arbitration-- for future considerations.

Centerfield Jan 08 2018 03:42 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pirates want prospects, not established major Leaguers, and if Mets take on the $$ they may take less. Gimenez is apparently our top prospect today and we have a 21- y-o SS already. Sounds like trade bait to me. Write up on Gimenez. I still don't know a lot about him. https://elitesportsny.com/2017/12/31/ne ... need-know/ Sounds like the scouts don't feel like he has the superstar potential of Rosario.

Centerfield Jan 12 2018 01:20 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Still in on McCutch according to John Harper.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2018 01:35 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Centerfield wrote: Still in on McCutch according to John Harper. that seems strange and i don't like the implications. Conforto injury worse than apparent?

Lefty Specialist Jan 12 2018 01:52 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Nymr83 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Still in on McCutch according to John Harper. that seems strange and i don't like the implications. Conforto injury worse than apparent? Either that or they're really down on /looking to trade Dom Smith.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2018 02:20 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Lefty Specialist wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Still in on McCutch according to John Harper. that seems strange and i don't like the implications. Conforto injury worse than apparent? Either that or they're really down on /looking to trade Dom Smith. yeah, but if that were the case isn't Duda > Bruce if you KNOW you plan to play the guy at 1B almost exclusively?

Edgy MD Jan 12 2018 02:54 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

As I say above, I don't think he's specifically an indictment of their options in the outfield and at first, so much as the opening day starter and planned first stringer in right, and an alternative elsewhere if things go south.

41Forever Jan 12 2018 11:26 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

If they really are still in on McCutchen — I have doubts — do you think it might mean that they are shopping Conforto or Cespedes for a big pitcher or somethng? The Bruce signing makes me think they are done with outfielders. They’re not singing him to be the fourth, and you wouldn’t get Andrew McCutchen to be a fourth.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2018 12:13 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

No way they're shopping Conforto, and Cespedes can't be all that coveted given his injuries and $$. If they get McCutcheon it's because they see Bruce as a first baseman and have less faith that Smith can be a productive first baseman, at least right away. It's a hard call they have with Smith right now.

Vic Sage Jan 12 2018 04:01 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Cutch is signed for 1 more year, so if they get him, Bruce moves to 1b when Conforto returns, and Dom goes to AAA. Fatboy hasn't done anything yet to prove he deserves a starting spot on the major league team. My major problem with Cutch is that, at this point, he hurts you in CF, his bat is in decline, and we'd have to give up player(s) to get him. I'd just as soon go with the Lagares/Nimmo platoon and spend the $10m difference in salary on pitching or at 2b/3b.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2018 04:35 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Get a table setter of an infielder and it's like you have a team.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 12 2018 04:38 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: Get a table setter of an infielder and it's like you have a team. John Harper was advocating for Eduardo Nunez this morning.

Edgy MD Jan 12 2018 04:46 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Think OBP, guys!

G-Fafif Jan 15 2018 08:27 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Cutch about to be a Giant, per multiple reports.

Centerfield Jan 15 2018 09:39 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Trying to pin down what’s going the other way. Would have preferred McCutchen to Bruce.

G-Fafif Jan 15 2018 10:01 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Bob Nightengale reports pitcher Kyle Crick "and one other mid-range prospect" are going to Pittsburgh.

Centerfield Jan 15 2018 10:13 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

It feels like a bad swing and miss here. Reed and McCutchen on the same weekend. Not a good few days.

smg58 Jan 15 2018 10:14 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Centerfield wrote: Trying to pin down what’s going the other way. Would have preferred McCutchen to Bruce. I'm going to disagree. Cutch's defensive value has deteriorated to the point where he'd be a liability even at a corner, and Bruce played well in right last year. Plus Bruce cost no players.

G-Fafif Jan 15 2018 10:38 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

G-Fafif wrote: Bob Nightengale reports pitcher Kyle Crick "and one other mid-range prospect" are going to Pittsburgh. Outfielder Bryan Reynolds is the other player the Giants are sending the Bucs.

Centerfield Jan 15 2018 10:40 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I guess I have a hard time believing that his defense has fallen off that badly. McCutchen is a much better overall player. Better OBP. His career OPS is about 70 points higher. Much better athlete. I heard the return was middling prospects. We have tons of those! If it’s anything worthwhile then it’s a different story, but it doesn’t sound like much.

G-Fafif Jan 15 2018 10:40 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Reynolds is Baseball America's No. 5 SFG prospect.

Edgy MD Jan 15 2018 11:10 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

MLB.com has Crick has Reynolds as their #4 and Crick as their #16. The Mets equivalent would be something like Thomas Szapucki and Anthony Kay. As Mets #4 Szapucki is currently recovering from TJ surgery, I'm tempted to reach up to #3 or down to #5 for an analog, but #3 for the Mets is Andres Gimenez and #5 is Desmond Lindsay, and their in two very different places. MLB.com stuck Sza at #4 despite his surgery so I think that's the imaginary trade that would be comparalbe, but feel free to stick Lindsay in there instead and both are outfielder/pitcher packages.

Ashie62 Jan 15 2018 11:25 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Congrats SF, They are spending to win now. I'll be dead and buried before the Mets get to the mountain top. I implore you Fred. Nice Lineup. Ship them Lagares. 2B Joe Panik CF Andrew McCutchen C Buster Posey 3B Evan Longoria 1B Brandon Belt RF Hunter Pence SS Brandon Crawford LF TBD Pitcher

Centerfield Jan 15 2018 11:34 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I also don’t get the clamor over Josh Harrison. Career OPS of .735. No power. Expensive. Why are we looking at this guy?

Centerfield Jan 15 2018 11:38 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: MLB.com has Crick has Reynolds as their #4 and Crick as their #16. The Mets equivalent would be something like Thomas Szapucki and Anthony Kay. As Mets #4 Szapucki is currently recovering from TJ surgery, I'm tempted to reach up to #3 or down to #5 for an analog, but #3 for the Mets is Andres Gimenez and #5 is Desmond Lindsay, and their in two very different places. MLB.com stuck Sza at #4 despite his surgery so I think that's the imaginary trade that would be comparalbe, but feel free to stick Lindsay in there instead and both are outfielder/pitcher packages. Szapucki is tough because his value is down because of TJ. The Giants guy seems like someone whose star has faded a bit. More like Montero. I don’t know Anthony Kay. Would have gladly shipped him out and anyone lower than Szapucki. Even Gsellman. I figured taking Harrison was doing the Pirates a favor.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2018 01:37 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: MLB.com has Crick has Reynolds as their #4 and Crick as their #16. The Mets equivalent would be something like Thomas Szapucki and Anthony Kay. Which doesn't mean those pairs are equivalent at all.

Edgy MD Jan 16 2018 03:02 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I used the phrase "something like," did I not? The job of forum pedant is taken, and it won't be available until I'm dead!

Ashie62 Jan 16 2018 11:51 AM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Edgy MD wrote: I used the phrase "something like," did I not? The job of forum pedant is taken, and it won't be available until I'm dead! Well, any poisons in the house? Just kidding.

smg58 Jan 16 2018 01:41 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Ashie62 wrote: Congrats SF, They are spending to win now. I'll be dead and buried before the Mets get to the mountain top. I implore you Fred. Nice Lineup. Ship them Lagares. 2B Joe Panik CF Andrew McCutchen C Buster Posey 3B Evan Longoria 1B Brandon Belt RF Hunter Pence SS Brandon Crawford LF TBD Pitcher They are spending to win five years ago.

Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2018 06:38 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Yeah, I'm looking at that lineup and thinking, "Boy, those guys USED to be good". Cutch, Pence, Posey, Longoria, all poised to fall off the table. In 2002 the Mets got Roger Cedeno, Jeromy Burnitz, Robbie Alomar and Shawn Estes in the offseason, and it looked like they were going somewhere. But of course, they didn't. Kind of reminds me of that team.

Ashie62 Jan 16 2018 07:21 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Longo is in his prime IMHO.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2018 07:58 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Ashie62 wrote: Longo is in his prime IMHO. OPS 2008-2013: 874, 889, 879, 850, 896, 842 [AVG = 872] OPS 2014-2017: 724, 764, 840, 737 [AVG = 766] and he's now 32 years old so, yeah, he kind of IS past his prime. And, look, these SF guys being mentioned -- Cutch, Pence, Longoria, Crawford, etc. -- probably have some good years left in them, but it's a bit more iffy these days and none are nearly as close to the top as they were 3-5 years ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 16 2018 08:03 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

The Giants are pretty idiosyncratic as an organization, aren't they? They're liable to do these things every so often that don't make a ton of sense to the general baseball world -- I'm thinking of their Barry Zito deal a few years back -- but at the least they can give the org a little new life and make the landscape different. If nothing else they might make it harder on the Dodgers 5 or six times a year, same with more traditional "build-a-winners" like AZ and COL, it's probably good for baseball and our Wild Card chances too. And if absolutely everything goes right they'll be scary. Go, Giants.

Edgy MD Jan 16 2018 08:16 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I just realized, this takes out what seemed like a leading player from Christian Yelich market that may or may not exist.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 16 2018 08:20 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

Yelich is waaaay too young an inexperienced for the Giants.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 16 2018 08:28 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

I hear that they're trying to lure Willie McCovey out of retirement.

Frayed Knot Jan 16 2018 08:28 PM Re: Talking 'Bout Andrew McCutchen ... Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Giants are pretty idiosyncratic as an organization, aren't they? They're liable to do these things every so often that don't make a ton of sense to the general baseball world There was one deal a bunch (8-10?) of years ago where Sabean purposely signed a FA (I forget who specifically but not a star by any means IIRC) prior to the tender date knowing that would assure that they'd lose a draft pick for it in order to save the signing bonus money they'd have to give the pick. And three WS wins later ...