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Net Neutrality (split from Politics 2017)

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 06:50 PM

Net neutrality regulations, repealed by the FCC in a party-line vote.

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2017 07:11 PM Re: Politics in 2017

Is that good or bad? I know as much about net neutrality as I do Bitcoin.

Ceetar Dec 14 2017 07:22 PM Re: Politics in 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: Is that good or bad? I know as much about net neutrality as I do Bitcoin. very bad. Still gotta past muster in court I think, but it's one step closer.

Ceetar Dec 14 2017 07:24 PM Re: Politics in 2017

Things like this become legal TELUS: In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server that hosted a website supporting a labor strike against the company. Researchers at Harvard and the University of Toronto found that this action resulted in Telus blocking an additional 766 unrelated sites. AT&T: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone. The wireless provider wanted to prevent iPhone users from using any application that would allow them to make calls on such “over-the-top” voice services. The Google Voice app received similar treatment from carriers like AT&T when it came on the scene in 2009. AT&T: In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan. AT&T had one goal in mind: separating customers from more of their money by blocking alternatives to AT&T’s own products.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 07:28 PM Re: Politics in 2017

Crap.

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2017 08:04 PM Re: Politics in 2017

I've largely thrown a deaf ear at the whole net neutrality thing because it's gotten to the point for me personally that as a country we are so fed up with everything and everybody it's numbing my soul and I can't keep up with what's right and what's wrong and what's just angst for the sake of angst. The examples that Ceets cite seem downright illegal to me.

Ceetar Dec 14 2017 08:07 PM Re: Politics in 2017

they won't be soon if the FCC gets their way. And those are things that have already happened. It opens up the door for all sorts of things, like making this site/forum load slower than ESPN.com. and if like, Verizon decides that they're all Yankees fans, they could literally make it so if you have FIOS this site doesn't exist.

Lefty Specialist Dec 14 2017 09:08 PM Re: Politics in 2017

Gutting Net Neutrality is very bad. If you like cable's tiered services, pissing matches with content providers over money, and total control over what you see, though, you'll love it. There will be lawsuits and Democrats have another issue for 2020.

cooby Dec 14 2017 09:12 PM Re: Politics in 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: I've largely thrown a deaf ear at the whole net neutrality thing because it's gotten to the point for me personally that as a country we are so fed up with everything and everybody it's numbing my soul and I can't keep up with what's right and what's wrong and what's just angst for the sake of angst. . Me too. plus I never thought they'd be nuts enough to do it, but what do I know?

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2017 09:17 PM Re: Politics in 2017

I like to have Bloomberg TV on for hours at a time when I work at home and now Verizon has cut them over not wanting to pay them because you can stream the content over the internet for free. So now I have to tie up one of my screens to get my Scarlet Fu and Julie Hyman fix.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2017 09:32 PM Re: Politics in 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: I've largely thrown a deaf ear at the whole net neutrality thing because it's gotten to the point for me personally that as a country we are so fed up with everything and everybody it's numbing my soul and I can't keep up with what's right and what's wrong and what's just angst for the sake of angst. The examples that Ceets cite seem downright illegal to me. A man's got to pick his battles. I hear ya.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2017 09:40 PM Re: Politics in 2017

I am going DTC for TV, wifi and cellular. Goodbye Optimum Hello Sling TV and Apple. Hoping for the best.

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2017 10:12 PM Re: Politics in 2017

What is DTC?

Nymr83 Dec 15 2017 03:21 AM Re: Politics in 2017

I have no idea who RoKhanna is, but he needs to fire his ad agency ASAP - this graphic is being put forth as an argument against net neutrality, but is actually a great argument in favor of it. psssst - when creating you ad, use prices that add up to significantly more than the current price!

Ashie62 Dec 15 2017 03:26 AM Re: Politics in 2017

d'Kong76 wrote: What is DTC? Direct to Consumer. Streamed. Not cable.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2017 03:27 AM Re: Politics in 2017

If Facebook starts charging $8.99 per month, they're going to lose two billion members.

Nymr83 Dec 15 2017 03:33 AM Re: Politics in 2017

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Facebook starts charging $8.99 per month, they're going to lose two billion members. Facebook has already determined there is more money to be made in ads than in membership - they aren't charging anyone to log in., net neutrality is about ISPs charging to access things - either charging the consumer directly, or, far more likely, charging the big websites for the bandwidth their visitors use.

Lefty Specialist Dec 16 2017 02:42 AM Re: Politics in 2017

It's all about access and speed, and how much they can make people pay for those things. If you're a Facebook addict, you might not want to be cut off, and you'll reluctantly pay Comcast or Verizon $4.99 or $6.99 or $8.99 to stay connected. It won't happen right away; it'll be a gradual process. Congress can actually override this, but I don't have a lot of faith in the current group to do the right thing.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2017 03:52 AM Re: Net Neutrality (split from Politics 2017)

Weird shit, as apparently the late Patty Duke is a big opponent of Net Neutrality. [tweet:1yx0m8ub]https://twitter.com/MackenzieAstin/status/941459382864437248[/tweet:1yx0m8ub]

RealityChuck Dec 17 2017 02:21 PM Re: Net Neutrality (split from Politics 2017)

The issues are more subtle and more dangerous. What will happen is that ISPs will go to Netflix and demand payment to get a pipe fast enough to deliver its content. Netflix will have to charge more. Same with Amazon. Comcast owns NBC, which owns Hulu. So Comcast gives Hulu the fastest link possible, and throttles its competitors. The ISP can come to the Crane Pool Forum's host and demands high payment for premium access. If they don't pay it, their pages load slowly. Slow-loading pages frustrate users, who go elsewhere. So the web host may be forced to pay extra. And the hosting cost for the site goes up. An ISP may introduce its own streaming service, possibly by buying a second-rate one like Tubitv. It gives that the fastest possible connection, while charging competitors more (or blocking them entirely). You're putting up an online store, but can't pay for a fast lane connection. So you can't compete with bigger stores that can. And the end of Net Neutrality has no upside for the consumer. It's been hyped as a way to improve technology, but there is no connection between the two. ISPs have been improving their network since the FCC first codified the rule (it's been part of the internet from day 1), so it's not going to make a difference, and there has been no other concrete example of how things improve. And if they aren't planning to do things like this, why did they spend millions of dollars to get the FCC to end it? Pure altruism? Or do they expect to do things like I've outlined to get their money back?