Jan 02 2018 06:23 PM
Re: Politics in 2018
The Lieutenant governor (Smith) will essentially run as an incumbent. Given the lean already, unless she's a complete burnout she should hold the seat, even against Michelle Bachmann and her magic mouth.
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Politics in 2018
| Edgy MD Jan 02 2018 01:00 PM |
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Senator Orrin Hatch, chair of the Finance Committee, has announced he will not seek election. Broad calls for his retirement from Utah press outlets, who see the onetime independent voice as just another water-carrier for the president. The Salt Lake Tribune had named him Utahn of the Year, but for negative reasons in an editorial that ripped him coming and going. Completely missing the irony, he publicly thanked the paper.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 02 2018 01:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd certainly welcome Mitt Romney as the Senator from Utah. It would be good to have one more rational GOP voter in the Senate.
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| Nymr83 Jan 02 2018 02:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Would love to see Romney take that seat.
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| sharpie Jan 02 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pawlenty barely won his reelection bid in 2006 and ran an embarrassing race for President in 2012. Given Minnesota's general blue makeup I can't see him or another Republican winning that seat (unless Senator Smith turns out to be an embarrassment).
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| Frayed Knot Jan 02 2018 02:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or so they claim
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| Edgy MD Jan 02 2018 02:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lesson of 2016: NEVER say never.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 02 2018 03:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's for sure!
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| sharpie Jan 02 2018 03:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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True and especially true since third-party bids tend to get traction in Minnesota (see Ventura, Jesse). That was how Pawlenty won the first time. My main point is that T-Paw is not a great candidate.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 02 2018 06:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Lieutenant governor (Smith) will essentially run as an incumbent. Given the lean already, unless she's a complete burnout she should hold the seat, even against Michelle Bachmann and her magic mouth.
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| Fman99 Jan 03 2018 04:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I couldn't vote for her, too much tooth contact there. She seems "abrasive" to me.
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| Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 04:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'll take "Sexist Comments" for $200, Alex
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| Fman99 Jan 03 2018 05:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You spelled "sexiest" wrong.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 06:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, just to avoid charges of sexism..... 
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 06:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is that young Hitler next to him?
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 07:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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House Transportation Chairman Bill Shuster (R–PA) has also announced he will retire at the end of his term.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 09:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm okay with Romney for a few reasons:
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2018 09:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I sense that the "bed stuff" that Romney will vote for will be limited to things like pillows and blankets and sheets, and not anything kinky.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 09:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lesson of 2016: NEVER say never.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2018 10:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I disagree. I get that it's ruby red Utah and there's no chance that a Democrat wins Hatch's seat. And I get that Romney's no wingnut and that he's a relatively reasonable Republican, "relatively" being the operative word there. But he's gonna vote for the whole GOP agenda. Just like Corker voted for the dreaded tax bill and just like McCain, who was once a stickler for regular order, in the end voted for the tax bill that was rammed through in virtual secrecy. Jeff Flake, the ultimate never Trumper, goes so far as to publish a book destroying Trump and won't run again, but nevertheles votes for the whole GOP agenda, including Trump's ridiculously absurd cabinet picks and patently unqualified judicial nomineees. Plus the doomed healthcare bill and tax bill that shoves all of the nation's money upwards. They're all the same shitbags in the end, and until they're voted out to the point that they're in the minority, don't expect any material changes. Romney might be a moderate, but I don't see any difference if Hatch were replaced by an extremist nutjob: they'll vote just the same.
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| 41Forever Jan 03 2018 10:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cool Orrin Hatch fact: He's a prolific songwriter. Mostly a lyricist, but he plays piano.
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| Fman99 Jan 03 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There's some pretty fun reading right here. I'm not shocked by any of it.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The problem with Utah is that you either get Romney or a clone of Mike Lee, the only friend Ted Cruz has. That's why I'll take Romney. And the bed stuff is probably a Mormon thing, or a typo, one of those.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 11:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was thinking Mia Love might run for the seat. Or Evan McMullin. There are options.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 12:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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New York looks back and recalls what I stupidly said at the campaign's outset, that the president never wanted to win.
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| Centerfield Jan 03 2018 12:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm going to enjoy Trump vs. Bannon.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 12:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, it's not The Onion. It's an official statement issued by the President of The United States.
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| Mets Willets Point Jan 03 2018 12:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Love that rich people like Mitt Romney, Scott Brown, and Hilary Clinton can just run for office in any old state that they please. And by love, I mean I hate that the oligarchy is allowed to do this.
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| metsmarathon Jan 03 2018 02:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"my nuclear button is bigger than yours" is a thing our president wished to communicate with the world.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 03 2018 02:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Someone on the twitter pointed out yesterday there was about 5 minute lag between a fox TV news story mentioning the button and that stupid irresponsible embarrasing dangerous response.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think this'll pass. Breitbart (and Bannon) have too much invested in Trump and Trumpism. Bannon wants to blow the system apart and Trump is his weapon to do it.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 03 2018 02:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I dunno. It's obvious Trump doesn't have the brains to blow the system apart without Bannon. So if I'm Bannon, I start painting Trump as an establishment stooge and take out the Ryans and McConnells with him. He's going down regardless.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 03 2018 04:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm sorry, but... 
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| Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 04:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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When I saw his statement I totally pictured him with the Staples Easy button too!!
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| Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 04:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Eh. Nobody is forcing you to vote for them and there are bigger fish to fry. What would you propose as a tougher but workable residency requirement?
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| 41Forever Jan 03 2018 04:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It’s a really good song! I love New York Christmas songs!
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| d'Kong76 Jan 03 2018 05:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'll have to respectfully decline listening, I don't want the Alphabet/Google/Youtube
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 03 2018 06:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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See, hating all Christmas music has its advantages occasionally.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 08:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know. Breitbart's displacing Fox as the voice of the right, with one thousandth the ad revenue. He's perhaps won the game that really matters to him.
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| Ceetar Jan 03 2018 08:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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actual residency? you know, so that you actually care about the residents in the state and aren't just using it as a springboard to power/congress. Hillary was at least launching a political career and moved to NY with that intention. Romney does/has lived in Utah for a few years. It's where he's registered to vote. I guess that's really gotta be the main criteria. where you file taxes, where you vote. Though it seems like it was just a 'move near family' thing and I doubt he's immersed in local politics and understands the needs and wants of Utah. It's not particularly fair but rich people run the country.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 08:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm having trouble seeing the budding Trump-Bannon rivalry as sport because, well, the nuclear brinkmanship that is going on is terrifying.
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| Nymr83 Jan 03 2018 08:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So then you have no actual complaint about Romney here? the people of Utah can decide at the polls if he "understands the needs and wants of Utah"
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| Ashie62 Jan 03 2018 09:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Romney will win a Senate seat in Utah in a landslide.
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| Edgy MD Jan 03 2018 09:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cease-and-desist letter from President Trump to Mr. Bannon.
What's with "the Company"? Is this hastily assembled from a form letter that is supposed to have "the Administration" plugged in there?
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 05:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sending a cease and desist letter to Bannon is beside the point at this juncture, no? I mean, the statements have been made. It's Wolff you want to stop.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 04 2018 05:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bannon already saying 'nothing to see here'. The cease and desist is useless except to punish someone financially at this point. That's why people always have to sign an NDA when they work for him in any area.
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| Ceetar Jan 04 2018 06:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No legal complaints. If only that's how politics actually worked, but as he's rich and has name recognition, if he wants to run the Republicans will work and spend hard to make sure he's the nominee. So you run into the same two party issues as usual, vote for an outsider that doesn't really understand or care about Utah or vote for the other party which might do something zany like make you sell a cake to a gay couple. So the point stands, because he's rich and connected he gets to do what he wants. It's not hard to play lip service to some talking points and convince people not particularly invested in politics that he's a good choice.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2018 06:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I doubt that he's breaking any rules. I could probably move to Utah and run for the Senate too. It's Romney's money and name recognition that gives him a much better chance than I do of winning, but I don't think it makes him more eligible.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 07:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What makes you think Governor Romney doesn't understand or care about Utah? I mean, maybe he doesn't understand or care about anyone or anybody, but the evidence at hand says his knowledge and engagement with the state far exceeds my own.
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| 41Forever Jan 04 2018 08:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why would we hold someone’s wealth against them? Wealthy people usually are wealthy because they are successful at creating, building or running very complicated things.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 08:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's also valid to not hold that against him. It's additionally valid to hold that in his favor.
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| Ceetar Jan 04 2018 08:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well this is false, for instance, Trump is none of those things. he's an abject failure. Money means almost nothing in terms of the ability of the person, but it provides enormous disparate advantage.
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| metsmarathon Jan 04 2018 09:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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using money as an indicator of "success" is akin to using height as an indicator of someone's ability in basketball.
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| 41Forever Jan 04 2018 09:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There are lots and lots of reasons to dislike the President. But I don't think you can call him an abject failure. To marathon's thoughtful post, I wasn't saying that wealth in and of itself should be a reason to vote for someone. But I don't think it makes them a bad person for should disqualify them.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think the rationalization for voting against someone who's wealthy might be that they'd be considered out of touch.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 09:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I didn't say it makes them a bad person or disqualifies them. I said it's perfectly valid reason (for someone else, not me) to vote against a guy. I think it's just a reality that you vote for somebody because you think you relate to them and convince yourself that they relate to you. That's why politicians hire firms to teach them to act relatable.
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| Ceetar Jan 04 2018 09:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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haven't found one yet.
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| 41Forever Jan 04 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm confused. Are you saying that you've never found a wealthy person who isn't bad?
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 04 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, lots of people are wealthy merely because they won the gene lottery. People like, say, Jeff Wilpon and his kids. And we're doing our best to make sure that becomes more 'usual' with the latest tax bill.
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| Ceetar Jan 04 2018 12:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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haven't found a thing Trump has succeeded at. He's built nothing good, created nothing, and run nothing well.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 04 2018 12:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, he's succeeded at building a brand, and in getting himself elected President of the United States.
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| Ceetar Jan 04 2018 12:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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a brand is not a 'thing'. the getting elected is not really a thing either, especially as he was outvoted significantly. And he's certainly botched the job it got him. They're both just things he signed his name to and then messed up. Kim Kardashian, among others, does that better.
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| 41Forever Jan 04 2018 12:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fearing this will look like I'm defending, but getting elected president is absolutely something he succeeded at. He got the needed votes in the Electoral College -- the ballot that counts. Just getting the nomination over an impressive field was successful. Again, there are many, many reasons you can dislike the president. But I don't think it's accurate to say that he hasn't been successful at anything.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 12:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Except and except ... there are a lot of credible accounts that suggest the plan all along was to lose and profit wildly on the publicity. Even in attempting to fail, he failed. Some people wait a long time to give a concession speech, grappling with the heartbreaking reality of loss after spending years devoted to winning. Trump waited until the early hours of the morning to give a victory speech.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jan 04 2018 12:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It was the political version of Springtime for Hitler. And he's such a nice guy, too!
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| 41Forever Jan 04 2018 01:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He had to wait for Clinton to call and concede before he could give the victory speech. That's the protocol for these things.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 01:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, he's a man who famously rejects protocol, and I readily believe his intention was to campaign to raise his brand, not to win.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jan 04 2018 01:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think he has an ideology. He's an opportunist who ran as a Republican because if he ran as a Democrat, he would've been mathematically eliminated in what amounts to the bottom of the second inning of the primaries. I think he's motivated by the sheer power of it all, the ability to settle old scores and to hurt others because I also think he's a sociopath and mainly, to enrich himself and his family. I think that deep down, he couldn't give a flying fuck, one way or the other whether abortions are or aren't legal or the state of the nation's infrastructure. His courting of the evangelicals is just another opportunity as far as I'm concerned because he probably doesn't believe in God, either. He's in it for the power and the glory and the money.
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| Edgy MD Jan 04 2018 01:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, I think he cares about infrastructure, to the extent that ugly, outdated airports in America, in contrast to clean new ones in foreign capitals, don't flatter him.
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 06 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some fairly big Senate race news from the backwater state where I live:
Unfortunate news for Mandel; everything seems to point in the direction of his dropping out for family reasons and not "family reasons". He was ahead of Sherrod Brown in most early polls. There's no shortage of Ohio Republicans to take his place, but Brown is extremely popular here in the deep blue northeastern part of the state, and I'm not sure there's another Republican who can beat him. Mandel is from a Cleveland suburb and had the potential to make inroads into Brown's base.
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| Nymr83 Jan 06 2018 03:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I met him briefly years ago, very likeable guy.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2018 11:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Joe Arpaio, controversial sheriff pardoned by Trump, enters Arizona Senate race
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| 41Forever Jan 10 2018 08:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Interesting column in the New York Times by David Brooks, called "The Decline of Anti-Trumpism." Brooks isn't a fan, and seems to be issuing a call to raise, or at least improve, the level of debate in order to be more effective.
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| Nymr83 Jan 10 2018 09:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sounds like a description of modern day politics in America, not limited to your feelings on Trump
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| Centerfield Jan 10 2018 09:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Absolutely right. Feel free to apply this to anti-Hillary feelings. Or Bernie, or deBlasio, or McConnell, or Ryan. We could all stand to listen to each other in 2018.
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| Edgy MD Jan 10 2018 09:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I agree with Brooks in that hating on Trump becomes an end in itself. Another brand you identify with. A toggle on your social media profile.
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| Edgy MD Jan 10 2018 12:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Gah!
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| Nymr83 Jan 11 2018 05:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A bipartisan (they still do those?) deal on Immigration may be coming:
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| Fman99 Jan 11 2018 06:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I thought I'd give this a listen to see if I could get any amusement, but I shut it off mere seconds after it started. It occurs to me that I go to great lengths to not hear this man's voice. In any context. I do stay attuned to events in the news but I prefer to read it myself, and hear it in my head in my voice, as opposed to having it read to me. I do the same thing when reading news online; I mute any news tab as soon as I open it.
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| Nymr83 Jan 11 2018 06:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I prefer reading to watching in general as well. But if you really want trump to amuse you, the voice is essential
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| metsmarathon Jan 11 2018 06:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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and if you really want trump to sicken you to the core, the voice is equally essential.
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| Nymr83 Jan 11 2018 07:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some people are dumb enough to have bought the wrong book:
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| Ceetar Jan 11 2018 07:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yes I love the using the lives and well-being of Americans/humans as political tools. It's like the CHIP thing that's literally just cruelty and incompetence.
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| Edgy MD Jan 11 2018 08:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So what shithole country did your family come from?
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| MFS62 Jan 11 2018 08:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not Norway. Later
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| Nymr83 Jan 12 2018 09:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i do agree with one thing Trump tweeted - that he should 'probably record future meetings' - the impeachment potential would be endless!
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| Fman99 Jan 12 2018 09:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sadly, being a piece of racist garbage is not in and of itself a cause for impeachment.
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| metsmarathon Jan 12 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's almost as if our president has a fundamental lack of understanding of [crossout:274woyyt]immigration[/crossout:274woyyt] everything.
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| cooby Jan 12 2018 01:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The people that voted for him probably agree with him :/
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 12 2018 06:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The 25th amendment is a non-starter. Too many hoops and too many Trump flunkies for it to work. Impeachment can't even get started until Democrats have at least one house of Congress. So we're stuck with President Shithole for a while yet.
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| Edgy MD Jan 12 2018 08:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lesson of 2016: NEVER say never.
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| Ceetar Jan 12 2018 08:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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America.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 13 2018 10:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure, he might start wandering the streets of DC in his pajamas mumbling about precious bodily fluids, but short of that, the 25th is unlikely.
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| Ashie62 Jan 14 2018 05:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A bit O.T. but Hawaii was not nuked 6 hours ago.
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| MFS62 Jan 14 2018 07:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Never happen. He's saving those fluids for Sarah Huckabee. Later
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| 41Forever Jan 14 2018 08:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Chelsea Manning running for Senate as a Democrat in Maryland.
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| Nymr83 Jan 14 2018 09:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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plenty of idiots run for office but most, other than the big orange idiot, don't make it through the primaries.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 14 2018 04:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Payton Manning or Eli Manning or Dakota Fanning or Carol Channing would have a better chance. Somehow, I don't think Ben Cardin is the slightest bit worried. I mean, really.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 14 2018 04:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Much more interesting in the Senate 'Never Say Never' category is Beto O'Rourke running against Ted Cruz in Texas. You want to pick an upset special, that's it. Cruz is a phony and the most hated man in Washington DC. Well, okay, [u:f6ps4jyl]second[/u:f6ps4jyl]-most hated.
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| MFS62 Jan 15 2018 08:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If at work today I get a call from customers in Arizona, I'm going to greet them with "happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day".
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| Edgy MD Jan 15 2018 08:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's been a while since that was true. King Day is holiday in all US territories and states. You can wish all your customers Happy King Day.
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| MFS62 Jan 15 2018 08:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Thank you for that information.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 15 2018 11:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think it's been a national holiday since the Reagan years.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2018 07:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And, apparently a good day to golf.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 16 2018 10:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hit a bucket of balls on my laptop. Bannon subpoenaed!
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| Ashie62 Jan 16 2018 12:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lips to my ears today.. Dr. dropped son off at Harvard same day as Schumer. dropped his.Dr. asked Schumer why he was not attacking Wall St. Schumer? "I wouldn't be here without them."
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| d'Kong76 Jan 16 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wow, just wow. Has anyone seen the prez's doctor grilled for an hour
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| Edgy MD Jan 16 2018 02:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I didn't, but I saw the secretary of Homeland Security claim that she didn't know if Norway was a predominantly white country.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jan 16 2018 02:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah I thought it sure was going on a while, then the doc said that Trump instructed him to stay out and answer every last question and for Huck to not yank him from the podium.
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| Ceetar Jan 16 2018 03:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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even the doctor's spinning propaganda. whee, this is fun.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 16 2018 03:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, saw that after I posted.
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| Edgy MD Jan 16 2018 05:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just tweeted to Senators Cotton and Perdue and asked them to do the honorable thing and resign, and so help to restore our national honor.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 16 2018 06:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Careful now, Tom Cotton is angling to be the next director of the CIA. That's why he's willing to lie for President Shithole.
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| Nymr83 Jan 16 2018 06:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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that's ShitHOUSE to you!
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 17 2018 07:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I stand corrected. :)
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| Edgy MD Jan 17 2018 09:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That was the second porn star on the Shut Up Payroll.
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| MFS62 Jan 17 2018 10:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, Trump is smart enough to know that Norway is a "White" country, which makes him infinitely smarter than his Director of Homeland Security. Of course, that's not saying much. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 17 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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FAKE WEIGHT! Join the Girther Movement!
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 17 2018 01:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's because those of the tinfoil hat stripe who see a conspiracy under every rock, stone, and pebble have taken over the conservative movement. The controversy over Trump's weight is annoying; I like to think that those on my side of the spectrum have more important things to complain about. But apparently, some of them don't. And I have no problem believing that someone who has let his muscles atrophy and his bones weaken is left with 239 pounds of mostly fat.
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 17 2018 01:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[url]http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/bannon-mueller-strike-deal/index.html?sr=twCNN011718bannon-mueller-strike-deal1046AMVODtop
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| Nymr83 Jan 17 2018 01:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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its not really a procedural thing - just Mueller's judgment call that he'll get more cooperation this way. Bannon makes his living entertaining (thats what he is, an entertainer, not a journalist, right?) people who think Mueller's investigation can fuck off. He has no political future and no need to appeal to the large majority of Americans - as such, Bannon has nothing to fear from rumors, innuendo, or really bad shit about himself coming out of a grand jury. the only thing Bannon has to fear are actual criminal charges. So, if Bannon were forced onto the stand under oath, he'd be best served with a whole lot of literally true but un-revealing answers, a whole lot of "i dont recall", etc If Mueller sees him as a ticket to bigger fish, he needs his help not a him as a "hostile" witness.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 17 2018 02:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is all worth it just for the coinage of the phrase: 'Girther Movement'.
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| Nymr83 Jan 17 2018 09:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump came out with his FAKE NEWS AWARDS - seriously. he still thinks he is a reality tv star.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 18 2018 06:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Stephen Colbert shut out even after campaigning with a billboard in Times Square. SAD!
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| Nymr83 Jan 18 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Thats awesome.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 18 2018 11:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, House Republicans had a plan. They would attach a 6-year extension of CHIP to the budget bill, but leave off a DACA fix, putting Democrats in the unenviable position of either voting against Dreamers or sick kids. Pretty ingenious considering how dysfunctional they are. The bonus is that if they pulled a few Democrats on board they'd avoid blame for a government shutdown.
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| metsmarathon Jan 18 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I love how all the republicans are all "shutting down the government is irresponsible and terrible! how DARE the reckless democrats ruin our country and endanger our military!"
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| Edgy MD Jan 18 2018 11:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I've used a lot of ideological adjectives to describe President Trump, but one I've never used is "nihilist." I figure that term more applied to Steve Bannon, and to the extent that the president has expressed himself as such, I figured, was mostly Mr. Bannon's influence.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 18 2018 12:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But the public in general isn't buying that Democrats have any responsibility at all. The reason we need a 'DACA fix' is that Trump terminated the program. The reason we need a 'CHIP fix' is that Republicans have been holding it hostage as a budget negotiating tool for more than three months. These are Republican-created problems.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 18 2018 02:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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1 Day, 8 Hours
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 18 2018 07:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fun fact: Stormy Daniels claimed that Donald Trump asked her to spank him with a copy of Forbes magazine.
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| Ashie62 Jan 18 2018 08:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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D.A.C.A. by Amnesty. Their parents broke the law.
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| Edgy MD Jan 18 2018 09:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My parents broke the law alla time.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 06:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hang tough, Democrats. Don't let me down. You can do this.
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| MFS62 Jan 19 2018 07:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This morning, some cable news channels are showing a clip of Donald Trump being interviewed on fox news two or three years ago.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or the clip that has him saying, "We need a good government shutdown".
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| Ceetar Jan 19 2018 08:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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of course not, literally the GOP is nothing but propaganda. They're literally just pointing fingers and yelling about the other guys right now. scumbags.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 09:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Magic School Bus takes on the Presidential Physical.
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| Edgy MD Jan 19 2018 10:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Are we just too overwhelmed for anything to matter?
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's amazing, innit? There's so much shit flying around right now that I can't even remember what I was angry about two weeks ago. It's been superseded by so much NEW shit to be angry about.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 19 2018 11:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can't really recall ever being quite so uncomfortably numb.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Trump's 'base' loves it. Liberals and Progressives are constantly in a tizzy, which to them is a bonus.
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| Ceetar Jan 19 2018 11:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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like, the only reason to have two parties is so that the other party can unify can attack the other one when they're doing crazy, racist, hateful stuff.
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| 41Forever Jan 19 2018 12:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would love for you to spend a day at work with me. Today, this GOP scumbag worked with 28 school districts to help them improve career education classes so ALL students can get the training they need for good jobs. Tomorrow I'll work with other scumbags to connect people with in-demand skills with employers looking for people with those skills as well as inspire the next generations, allowing students to hear about great careers in emerging fields. It's very easy to throw labels around and see things in black and white, where everyone is good or evil. The truth is in the gray, my friend.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 19 2018 12:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yahbbut, he means the scum in DC. Either yer wid 'em or again' em.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2018 12:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd like to think you wouldn't last a day in the Trump White House.
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| Nymr83 Jan 19 2018 01:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Republican House passed the short term spending fix. If the Republicans in the Senate have 50 votes (+Pence) and the Democrats refuse to allow an up or down vote on the legislation then it is the Democrats who have caused the shutdown.
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| metsmarathon Jan 19 2018 01:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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neither side seems to have any interest in meeting in the middle. why does the blame then fall on the minority party?
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| Ceetar Jan 19 2018 01:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yeah, I'm talking about the vocal idiots in Washington right now literally pointing fingers and yelling.
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| Nymr83 Jan 19 2018 02:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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continuing to fund the government at current levels, without attaching unrelated legislation, is what I would call 'meeting in the middle' on the issue of keeping the government running. neither side gets their priorities met.
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| Edgy MD Jan 19 2018 02:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I understand, but a lot of folks wouldn't call CHIP unrelated.
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| Ceetar Jan 19 2018 02:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's hard not to root for a shutdown. Feels like less damage is done that way.
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| metsmarathon Jan 19 2018 02:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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funding the government via an unending series of continuing resolutions is not a viable solution, and actively damages the nation.
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| Nymr83 Jan 19 2018 04:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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continued CHIP funding is already in the bill passed by the House, isn't it?
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| Edgy MD Jan 19 2018 05:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If they all agree on CHIP, which both parties claim they do, they can authorize CHIP independently. Else the minority party has been given a Sophie's choice, following the president's lie that he'd support and sign any bipartisan fix for DACA.
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| metsmarathon Jan 20 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i can't believe we're already a year into this preposterous alternate reality. why do we not all have our goatees yet?
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| Ashie62 Jan 20 2018 05:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just pathetic.
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| 41Forever Jan 22 2018 11:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Looks like a deal has been reached.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 22 2018 11:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Shameful assclowns, the whole lot of them.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 22 2018 01:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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To keep the government open until February 8th, when we'll be doing the same dance all over again. Meanwhile 122 Dreamers a day lose their status. And once you're deported that's a little hard to undo. Schumer didn't have the balls to stick with it. Trump is already gloating.
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| Edgy MD Jan 22 2018 02:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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122 per day.
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| Ceetar Jan 22 2018 02:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I heard some spin that they agreed because of CHIP and it could happen all over again in three weeks, where Republicans would have lost that..er..chip to negotiate with.
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| Nymr83 Jan 22 2018 05:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Schumer said that Senate republicans agreed to negotiate immigration and allow an up/down vote on daca itself if they cant reach agreement. I would call that a good outcome for everyone especially as it ia an unrelated issue
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| cooby Jan 22 2018 06:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Solar panels and washing machines?
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| Nymr83 Jan 22 2018 08:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Welcome to Kindergarten. Only the child with the stick can talk please.
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| Nymr83 Jan 23 2018 07:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The coverage of Schumer seems overly harsh, the left just doesn't seem to realise he has no leverage, they live in this imaginary fantasy world where they won the 2016 elections.
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| Ceetar Jan 23 2018 07:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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fuck off with this garbage. Especially the illegals over Americans thing. illegals ARE Americans. Anything else is America First white supremacist garbage. I know the American public is stupid, and the Trump base even stupider, but even so they know who the party in charge and the president is. That's who gets blamed for the shut down, not the democrats. And even if Schumer's base isn't thrilled he didn't resist for more or longer, they're still going to vote for him. And that random voter in Pennsylvania isn't going to be all pissy at Schumer and connect that to their own democratic candidate. With time to ruminate on it, it seems the main takeaway is a whole bunch of kids are no insured, and they didn't give up anything.
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| Edgy MD Jan 23 2018 07:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Illegals aren't illegals. No man is illegal.
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| Nymr83 Jan 23 2018 07:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Its 'garbage' for me to tell you what I think voters will hold against politicians? You live in the fantasy world too.
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| Nymr83 Jan 23 2018 07:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Immigrants who are here illegally, in violation of federal law." That's a bit long to type.
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| Ceetar Jan 23 2018 07:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, it's garbage to classify it as prioritizing Americans over 'illegals'.
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| metsmarathon Jan 23 2018 08:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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america is built on illegal immigration. the pilgrims were illegal immigrants. the 13 colonies were collections of illegal immigrants. vast communities of them, frequently refugees or dirty filthy criminals.
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| Edgy MD Jan 23 2018 08:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's worth it. And lest it go unsaid or be left to implication, no woman or child is illegal either.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 23 2018 08:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Situational semantics. You don't want them here, they're illegals. If you do, they're dreamers.
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| Centerfield Jan 23 2018 08:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This. The underlying fire to deport these people is grounded in prejudice and hate. That's the only reason it's being fought so vigorously. The solution is pretty simple for anyone looking to be reasonable. Immigration laws may or may not have been well enforced depending on what side you fall on, but at the end, these people are here. If they are law abiding contributors to society, it's heartless and cruel to kick them out. If they have been charged with a major crime, deportation is justified. One can support Dreamers and support immigration reform. Don't like the fact that there are so many "illegals"? Great. Then let's enforce the laws we have. And we can do it without some stupid wall.
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| Nymr83 Jan 24 2018 09:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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New York/California addressing the state tax deduction limit.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 24 2018 11:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My town is actively exploring turning property taxes into deductions for donations to a non-profit.
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| Edgy MD Jan 24 2018 04:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The president says he is willing to speak under oath to the Office of the Special Counsel and is "looking forward to it."
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 24 2018 05:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There will be a lot of 'I do not recall' answers.
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| cooby Jan 24 2018 05:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah like he wouldn't lie under oath anyway.
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| Nymr83 Jan 24 2018 06:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No way. I HAVE A GREAT MEMORY, THE GREATEST
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 24 2018 06:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If Trump goes in there with that attitude, his lawyers will restrain him. The last thing they want is for him to think he can outsmart Mueller's team. And if he lies, well, he's got a problem. He'll be going in there after a whole bunch of other people, so he better have his story straight.
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| Edgy MD Jan 24 2018 06:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If he lies under oath, God bless him. I'm certainly rooting for it.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 25 2018 02:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Doesn't matter. Lying to the FBI is a felony, whether you're under oath or not (see Flynn, Michael). That's why him saying he'll do it 'under oath, unlike Hillary' is irrelevant. Of course the 'base' laps it up because they don't know any better.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2018 06:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think Trump may actually believe that he's a genius, and that he'll be able to outsmart his questioners. It's one thing that could very well lead to his downfall.
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| Edgy MD Jan 25 2018 08:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Virginia Delegate Nick Freitas has introduced a bill in the Virginia Assembly that would require most elections in the state to be conducted with ranked choice voting (RCV). Similar bills have been proposed in the past few weeks in Indiana, Missouri, and Utah.
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| Vic Sage Jan 25 2018 11:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ben, he could pull down his pants and take a dump on Mueller's lap and it wouldn't be the downfall of anything.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 25 2018 12:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I really think that's the case; that's where the narcissistic personality disorder gets him into trouble. Also, he feels he's done nothing wrong. He's gotten away with everything for so long that he feels he's invulnerable. One of the central pretexts of Fire and Fury is that they didn't really think they were going to win, so they felt no need to behave. It's why Flynn did all the crazy stuff. And cozying up to rich Russians is what the Trumps had been doing for years, without consequences. Had he lost, they'd probably still be overpaying for condos and giving him the cash to start his TV network. Winning screwed everything up, because now people were going to be paying attention. It's one thing to be a blowhard millionaire, it's quite another to be president of the United States. The scrutiny is what's going to bring them all down. It won't be the collusion or obstruction. Bannon knew it when he said the money-laundering will be what does them in. Now, it's still an open question if he can be impeached. Even with a solid case, it'll be hard to get 67 Senators to convict. But he can become a pariah and drag his whole party down with him, because they're hugging him pretty tight right now- tighter than you would expect given his approval ratings. His impeachment will come in November 2020.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 25 2018 07:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Whoa.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 26 2018 05:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Best part of this is that Sean Hannity decried it as Fake News, but had to backtrack when Fox confirmed it in real time on his show. Awesomeness.
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| Fman99 Jan 26 2018 06:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hannity really is America's head idiot. The Duh-nald wouldn't even know what he thinks he believes if he weren't getting it all right from this awful channel.
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| Nymr83 Jan 26 2018 10:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But of course just as more of Trump's stupidity comes out, the people investigating him look like they need to be investigated themselves. its pretty crazy that the FBI can't manage to find and assign some less-partisan employees to a matter like this - did Mueller choose his team or do they get sent to him?
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| Vic Sage Jan 26 2018 10:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you see, Lefty? It doesn't matter what Trump did or says. Partisans will find a way to deny, distract, obfuscate... as long as he helps them get their agenda through, it doesn't really matter to them. He's not only NOT going to be brought down, he's going to win re-election. Because facts don't matter.
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| Nymr83 Jan 26 2018 10:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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what Trump does does matter - but stop turning a blind eye to what is going wrong elsewhere just because of Trump. if you saw people investigating a democrat and sending texts about how they are against that person you would be LIVID
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| Edgy MD Jan 26 2018 11:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You don't actually believe that secret society nonsense?
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| metsmarathon Jan 26 2018 11:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i think i'd have a bigger problem with the investigation if the investigators were all pro-trumpers suckling at the teat of fox news and breitbart.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 26 2018 01:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It is possible to have political opinions and still work for the FBI. And Mueller took Strzok off the case the minute he saw that, months ago. Do you think there are no FBI agents who texted about Hillary at some point in the last 10 years?
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| Edgy MD Jan 29 2018 11:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And holy shit, Andrew McCabe just resigned under duress.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 29 2018 11:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's just say that McCabe will be talking to Robert Mueller, if he hasn't already. And if he's anything like Comey, he's documented everything.
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| Nymr83 Jan 29 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Before McCabe talks to Mueller, he can talk to congressional investigators about large donations to his wife's senate campaign by Clinton allies while FBI was investigating Clinton.
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| metsmarathon Jan 29 2018 12:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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he'd probably tell them the same things he's told the inspector general, and that he'd discussed with the FBI's own legal counsel about recusing himself from the appropriate investigations when his wife first announced her candidacy. and particularly how he recused himself from the clinton investigation after it was reopened just before election day '16.
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| Vic Sage Jan 29 2018 12:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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oh stop with facts. you know they don't matter.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 29 2018 02:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ted Lieu
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| Nymr83 Jan 29 2018 03:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If that is the case, you'd think they would ultimately NOT release it (and act as if they were forced not to)
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| Edgy MD Jan 29 2018 04:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That may be the plan.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 30 2018 07:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Democrats on the committee wrote their own memo debunking this one point-by-point. Republicans refused to allow it to be released.
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| MFS62 Jan 30 2018 07:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/v ... tion=click Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 30 2018 07:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, at least my taxes are free.
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| Edgy MD Jan 30 2018 11:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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="NBC News"]The day after he fired James Comey as director of the FBI, a furious President Donald Trump called the bureau's acting director, Andrew McCabe, demanding to know why Comey had been allowed to fly on an FBI plane from Los Angeles back to Washington after he was dismissed, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call. |
| Lefty Specialist Jan 30 2018 01:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's all right because tonight he's going to read from a TelePrompter and pundits will tell us how 'presidential' he was because he didn't poop his pants once.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 30 2018 01:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That is what happened last year.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 30 2018 01:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Actually, I hope he literally does poop his pants. Then Ryan and McConnell could deny it, even though there would be video evidence of them holding their noses and fanning the air in front of their faces.
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| d'Kong76 Jan 30 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not watching, it's Nets/Knicks for me tonight. If he shits his pants, or the bed, or
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| Ceetar Jan 30 2018 01:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know why anyone would watch that garbage. poorly disguised racist speech and propaganda? Sorry, I don't listen to klan meetings either.
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| cooby Jan 30 2018 01:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not watching. And he'll say the markets are up and folks who don't play the market will believe him
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 30 2018 01:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not watching either. I'll probably hear the highlights (or lowlights) on NPR as I'm driving to work tomorrow. Unless I turn off the radio in disgust.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 30 2018 02:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't watch. I'm out of Tums.
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| Vic Sage Jan 30 2018 02:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yup
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 30 2018 05:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A restaurant in my girlfriend's neighborhood is selling a "State of the Union survival kit" - a takeout pizza, salad, two cannoli, and a bottle of wine for $35.
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| Ceetar Jan 30 2018 05:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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pretty much one in the same.
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| Nymr83 Jan 30 2018 05:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I dont often watch these things, ill read the transcript later tonight - takes up much less of my time
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| Fman99 Jan 30 2018 07:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'll read the transcript also, only because the President's voice makes me sick.
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| Edgy MD Jan 30 2018 07:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, I watch these. Can't stand two straight sentences out of his filthy lying mouth though.
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| Nymr83 Jan 30 2018 09:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, Trump knows how to read a speech other people wrote and he probably practiced a dozen times without embarrassing himself. I guess that's.. Something.
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| MFS62 Jan 31 2018 06:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The calls on our order line dried up at around 7PM last night. I'm sure his supporters (who make up a large portion of our customers) were out at Walmart stocking up on beer and snacks so they could hunker down in their trailers and watch their hero "tell it like it is".
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 31 2018 06:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Apparently poop-free. Calls for unity without actually presenting anything unifying. And that'll only last until the next vicious tweet anyway.
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| Edgy MD Jan 31 2018 04:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cody Decker, 2017 Mets minor leaguer, Team Israel star, and currently a free agent.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 31 2018 05:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm betting even Stephen Miller's cats boo him. If he hasn't already strangled them, that is.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 31 2018 05:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Decker's girl there, Jenn Sterger, was the one who Brett Favre sent "package" pictures and various invites to back when he was a NY Jet and she was a sideline reporter and "Gameday Host" for the team.
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| Lefty Specialist Jan 31 2018 05:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Who will keep the Benghazi investigation alive now that Trey Gowdy is bailing out of Congress?
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| MFS62 Jan 31 2018 06:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Like the Spanish Inquisition, that was totally unexpected. Now, please help me clean the coffee off my keyboard. Later
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| MFS62 Feb 02 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, its February 2nd, and the country will be anticipating some severe storms because of a rodent that should stay in his hole.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 02 2018 08:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's like we as a country step into a pothole of slush every day, only to be met by Ned Ryerson annoyingly trying to sell us white supremacism and bad legislation.
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| Edgy MD Feb 02 2018 09:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oddly enough, I actually just saw Mississippi Burning, which literally featured Ned Ryerson selling white supremacy.
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| Chad Ochoseis Feb 02 2018 10:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Brenda Fitzgerald resigns as head of the CDC because she invested in tobacco companies after she took office. To some degree, I get this. If someone else is managing your investments, you're not always on top of where they're going on a day-to-day basis. But someone in a high government office should know better.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 02 2018 11:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The memo:
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| Ceetar Feb 02 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not sure why we tore ourselves apart over it? I couldn't even follow the story, it just seemed like nonsense bickering with no chance of anything. As is, roughly, everything the media grabs hold of to give focus to.
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| Nymr83 Feb 02 2018 12:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it makes the FBI/DOJ folks involved look either sloppy about sources, biased against Trump, or less than 100% truthful (to the court) about the evidence presented in obtaining a warrant. its likely the last one - not ideal behavior, but a big fat YAWN in the scheme of things.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 02 2018 12:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, this wasn't a media creation. This is Trump & Friends trying to fabricate a Get Out Of Jail Free card. Carter Page isn't exactly the hill you want to die on- the guy's been suspected by the FBI of working for the Russians since 2013, when Donald was still playing grab-ass on The Apprentice. And the FISA warrant in question wasn't even sought until after he left the Trump campaign. And there is nowhere near any complete information provided- Democrats, the DOJ and the FBI all contend that major context and information have been left out so that Nunes and the White House can draw this conclusion.
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| Ceetar Feb 02 2018 12:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, and it should've been assumed as such from the get go. Everything he says is a biased lie based on promoting himself. The media covering these things with any semblance of believably is laughable and obviously only for ratings and clicks. It could've been covered with a "Unless the memo Trump references turns out to be true" sidebar to real discussions.
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| Edgy MD Feb 02 2018 12:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Note that all the reports say he decided to release the report before reading it, because, well ... you know.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 05 2018 07:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hey, remember when Republicans cared about the debt and the deficit? Good times. Guess it only applies when a Democrat is running things....
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 07 2018 06:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So.
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| Edgy MD Feb 09 2018 04:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just read a FOX editorial stating that Chief of Staff Kelly needs to resign.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 10 2018 10:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Seems like one of the questions on the Trump administration's employment application is "When did you stop beating your wife?"
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| Fman99 Feb 13 2018 09:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Holy fuck, if there's one person whose opinion I couldn't care less about, it's Omarosa. Enough of this idiot.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 14 2018 01:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[youtube]TPgnj5upihQ[/youtube]
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| Nymr83 Feb 16 2018 12:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mueller charged 13 Russians - and no Americans - for interfering in US Elections. i'm sure they're all safely home in Moscow right.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 16 2018 12:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Curious. If they are all in Russia, then this is little more than a symbolic move. At most, I suppose it would prevent these 13 people from ever coming to the United States. There's no way they'd be extradited.
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| metirish Feb 16 2018 12:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, is that it for the investigation?
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| Nymr83 Feb 16 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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definitely not.
i am assuming they are all in Russia, because Putin is smarter than that and they've had a year to get the heck out of here. i don't know for sure. there are Russian "entities" involved as well, its possible there are assets here to seize. restricting their movements and sending a "we're on to you" message is nice too. Mueller may have also felt it was time to show tangible results from a long running investigation, particularly with recent criticism that has come out. also a good idea to indict these guys ahead of the next election so they can't do it again.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 16 2018 01:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They're surely all in Russia cackling. Seizing assets? Ha. Not with this President. He's trying to loosen restrictions on Russia, not tighten them, like ignoring a 98-2 Senate vote and refusing to impose their sanctions. Restricting their movements? See above. And there are thousands more where these 13 came from, comrade. They're already spreading false stories about the shooting in Florida. They haven't rested for a second.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 16 2018 03:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cackling or shitting in their pants. Putin's just as likely to hail them as heroes and reward them with nice apartments or poison them to death on account of they know too much. If it was up to Trump, he'd arrange for their travel into the US where they'd then get an invite to the oval office. Meanwhile, the russian ratfuckers knew, like anyone with half a brain did, that a vote for Jill Stein was essentially a vote for Trump. From the indictment:
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| Valadius Feb 16 2018 05:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mueller also got a plea deal out of an American who provided compromised bank accounts to the Russians.
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| Mets Willets Point Feb 17 2018 09:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Please stop with your Clintonian "destroy the left" bullshit. Sanders supported sanctions on Russia but voted against the bill because it was bundled with sanctions against Iran he thought would endanger the nuclear agreements with Iran (and he's right too). https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom ... -sanctions
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 17 2018 01:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's also, also clear is that the Russians were supporting Jill Stein, she who shared a table in Moscow with Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin in 2015. I'm betting there were some 'unwitting' Americans who helped Russians on that front as well.
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| Nymr83 Feb 18 2018 07:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The same Russians who were indicted were also 'supporting' anti-Trump rallies post-election. The only thing they were really ever supporting was chaos in America.
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| Edgy MD Feb 18 2018 08:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, they wanted more than chaos. They wanted influence. They got it.
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| Lefty Specialist Feb 18 2018 09:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They got more than chaos. They got their man installed as president. The indictment makes very clear that these Russians were working to elect Trump and defeat Hillary. They were even working for Trump against other Republicans in the primaries. Chaos would have been a nice consolation prize for them, but they nabbed the gold instead.
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| Edgy MD Feb 19 2018 01:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those Russians has American help from the guy now sitting in the Oval Office.
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| Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Troll Stamp!
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| d'Kong76 Feb 27 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If anyone felt a darkening of the heart earlier today, TRUMP2020 officially got
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| Ceetar Feb 27 2018 11:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I mean, he filed to run a year ago so that he could take money from people 'legally'.
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| d'Kong76 Feb 27 2018 12:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I thought he'd be gone a year ago so what do I know?
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| MFS62 Feb 28 2018 02:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hope Hicks resigns.
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| sharpie Feb 28 2018 03:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was in Ecuador the week before last where they use the US dollar for their currency except they don't use dollar bills. All of those Sacajawea dollar coins seem to have found themselves in Ecuador and I have to say that it was a far better experience using the dollar coin and having bills start at $5. Same with euro which comes in 1 and 2 euro coins but no bills. People would embrace the dollar coin if there were no $1 bills. No reaching into your wallet for tiny expenses is a good thing.
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| Edgy MD Feb 28 2018 04:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[youtube:a3m5gpe8]CBjTEy5PKhs[/youtube:a3m5gpe8]
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| metirish Mar 01 2018 06:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Saw some of the round table meeting of the minds chaired by Trump, christ, he just agrees with whatever was last said
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 01 2018 06:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's exactly what happened in the immigration summit he had with Congress on January. On Tuesday, he agreed with everyone. By Thursday he'd scuttled everything.
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| Edgy MD Mar 01 2018 07:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or he'll tie his newfound positions to DACA or the Wall or something.
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| metsmarathon Mar 01 2018 02:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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we'll build a wall around our schools, and we'll make the DACA recipients pay for it.
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| MFS62 Mar 01 2018 04:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Melania Trump. Einstein?
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 01 2018 08:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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New report blasts odious Kunta Kinte cult Betsy Devos. Report states Devos's tenure has been a boon for shady for profit colleges, student loan companies, and school privatization advocates. The report accuses Devos of having damaging conflicts of interest and calls Devos the worst secretary of education this country has ever had - by a large margin.
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| MFS62 Mar 02 2018 09:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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All the negative things about her were known before she was named to that post. And she has done nothing since in her position to change that perception. Higher tariffs? How about a prohibitive tax on guns and bullets? Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 02 2018 09:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course everybody knew. Devos couldn't be that terrible and have it all come out of left field. You know, Devos totally destroyed whatever was left of Detroit's public schools. Her Senate confirmation, ultimately decided by tie-breaking Pence, was a national disgrace. But who can keep up when there's a national disgrace every single day with this administration?
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| SteveJRogers Mar 03 2018 05:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Putin might need a new puppet soon!
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| cooby Mar 05 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And oh goody, I see in the article he's running again in 2020.
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| Edgy MD Mar 05 2018 11:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More important is that he's muscling up his nuclear arsenal and encroaching on our autonomy on two major fronts, while our head of state lacks any will whatsoever to respond.
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| Nymr83 Mar 05 2018 01:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Putin, and our "ally" Turkey, have been obliterating both civilians and friendly (to us) militias in Syria since well before Trump took office. Obama did nothing either. What would you do? The same people accusing Trump of inaction in Syria are accusing him of war mongering in Korea. Can't have it both ways.
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| Edgy MD Mar 05 2018 02:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not trying to have it "both ways."
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| Nymr83 Mar 05 2018 06:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The "what would you do" was meant seriously as a question, not as a rhetorical attack on you. The part about obama was meant to demonstrate the seriousness/difficulty of the situation, that this is a pervasive problem not a "dumb trump" issue.
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| Edgy MD Mar 05 2018 06:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What you do is begin by not kowtowing to Russia, not express yourself on the world stage by expressing admiration for tyrants and despots everywhere, and not openly announce your intention to disengage from every conflict. (Lovers of the U.S.-Israeli alliance should by now see the existential threat this withdrawal has led to.)
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| Nymr83 Mar 05 2018 07:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, Trump has failed to challenge Russia. And Obama told the Russians he'd be more flexible in "kowtowing" to them once he didn't have to worry about re-election. So everyone needs to challenge Russia better. Too bad we didn't get McCain.
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| Edgy MD Mar 05 2018 08:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Again with President Obama. Are you really going to argue against Obama in 2018?
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| Nymr83 Mar 06 2018 05:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wanna know who else tried to 'tilt' foreign elections, in violation of US law? of course you don't, because if it wasn't Trump they get a pass.
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| Edgy MD Mar 06 2018 06:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Please either respond to something I wrote or don't. Please don't presume to know things about me that you don't. Because you don't.
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| cooby Mar 06 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lol
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| SteveJRogers Mar 06 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Steele still sticking to the story
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| Edgy MD Mar 06 2018 05:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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President Trump: The new Fake News narrative is that there is CHAOS in the White House. Wrong! People will always come & go, and I want strong dialogue before making a final decision. I still have some people that I want to change (always seeking perfection). There is no Chaos, only great Energy!
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| Nymr83 Mar 06 2018 05:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If Cohn quits it is over a serious policy disagreement with the President (dumbass tariffs likely to halt the YUGE economic progress) - not the chaos of the white house. there is nothing unhealthy about that.
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| Edgy MD Mar 06 2018 07:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I guess we have different definitions of chaos.
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| cooby Mar 07 2018 07:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump is so used to chaos he doesn't recognize it
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 07 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Chaos is distraction. The media is chasing the idiocy of the tariffs or which rat is jumping ship today, and they're not chasing the Russia story which is the true existential threat to Trump and his circle.
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| Edgy MD Mar 07 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Really? The media I follow is all over the indictments.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 07 2018 11:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Speaking of distractions, seems that Stormy wants to void her NDA, and she may have pee-pee pics.
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| cooby Mar 07 2018 02:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ew, I will too
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| Nymr83 Mar 07 2018 02:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yuck.
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| Nymr83 Mar 08 2018 08:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lawsuit going on right now over twitter users blocked by Trump's account claiming 1st amendment violation. The judge is urging both sides to settle by "muting" them instead of "blocking" them.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 09 2018 08:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Seeing this thread in the list just after "Should We Talk About the Weather? - 2018" makes me think we should rename this thread as "Should We Talk About the Government? - 2018."
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| TransMonk Mar 09 2018 05:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I, aye, eye.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 09 2018 08:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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OH COME ON!
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| Edgy MD Mar 09 2018 09:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Completely predictable.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 10 2018 02:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know, if there's one person who could confirm that Donald Trump actually weighs 239 pounds, it's Stormy Daniels.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 11 2018 02:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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..and Stormy will get to guess his weight in an interview on 60 Minutes next weekend.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2018 03:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wonder if she'll expose a 'discriminating mole on his tallywhacker.'
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2018 05:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Extremely despicable person, typically a female, rhymes with bunt Betsy Devos gets her ass handed to her on 60 Minutes. The Allen Funt sec'y of education fake smiles her way through her interview with Leslie Stahl like she's smiling for Candid Camera but dodges and can't answer a single question about the state of the public schools in her own state of Michigan That's because Funt count Betsy destroyed those schools with her crooked ideology designed to steal public school tax money and siphon it to unaccountable private sleazeball profiteers.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2018 05:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Surprised 60 Minutes was on. I'd think CBS would be running a four-hour NCAA
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2018 06:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Me too. The selection show was on TBS. In other TV roundup stuff, Bill Maher had a good show last night. He dissed the thoughts and prayers nonsense. Also, Kathy Griffin appeared and discussed how the totalitarian Trump administration tried to destroy her, which is a national news story of interest, especially because we have the First Amendment. HEADS UP WARNING: Kathy said the cunt word a coupl'a times on the show so don't watch it if that's gonna be a deal breaker.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2018 06:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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CBS On-Demand usually bleeps that stuff out on the replays, but thanks.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2018 06:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bill Maher's on HBO. You can say anything on HBO. Even the way Travis d'Arnaud cocks his wrist. Real groundbreaking stuff.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 11 2018 06:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sorry, I kinda paulied your post and was still in 60 Mins mindset. I don't watch Maher.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2018 06:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why not? Because guests can talk about the way Travis d'Arnaud cocks his wrists on Maher's show?
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| Ashie62 Mar 11 2018 09:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why did I go to this thread
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 12 2018 06:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Have to agree Leslie Stahl absolutely pantsed Betsy DeVos in that interview. She's so unqualified that she couldn't even talk coherently about Michigan, which would arguably be the state she knew the most about.
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| MFS62 Mar 12 2018 08:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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DeVos was the most hotly contested Trump nominee because it was felt she wants to destroy the public education system.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 12 2018 09:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You can kind of do a list of 'Worst Ever Secretary of ____________' and just fill it with Trump appointees.
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| Edgy MD Mar 12 2018 09:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, it's pretty easy to figure that out with DOE, as the list of secretaries only goes back to 1980.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 12 2018 11:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm on Team Browning.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 12 2018 12:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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White House officials are steaming mad that on 60 Minutes, the know-nothing bunt with lots of other people's money to spend Betsy Devos couldn't defend delusion that competition from charter schools is supposed to push public schools to improve. Why would anyone in their right mind believe this horseshit? It's like the discredited trickle down theory version for education. Charter schools siphon funding from public scbools. How the hell is that supposed to make public schools any better? Why would anyone believe this? Has the world gone mad? They didn't get out of the cocky-doody car. The GOP is a cult.
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| MFS62 Mar 12 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/972372757433352194 And, We're not the only ones with problems. This is from my friend in Toronto:
Later
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 12 2018 06:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Fman99 Mar 12 2018 07:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wow, hard to believe the House GOP found no evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. AMAZEBALLS.
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| Edgy MD Mar 12 2018 08:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, Congressman Nunes is in dereliction of his oath of office and he's not alone.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 12 2018 09:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not hard to believe. They hardly looked.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2018 07:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump fires Secretary of State Tillerson and replaces him with CIA Director Pompeo.
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 07:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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#NoChaos
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2018 07:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some people are standing tall. But others are giving up. Our institutions are having good people, people who know what they're doing, driven out because of the horrendous Trump toadies infecting our government. When this is over (and I pray that that's only 3 years away) a Democrat will once again be called on to clean up a mess made by Republicans. There'll be plenty of good jobs available in 2021, but boy will those folks have a lot of work on their hands. A number of departments will have to be rebuilt from scratch; State, EPA, Energy, HHS, HUD, Education, to name a few.
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| Ceetar Mar 13 2018 08:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And chances are we won't get someone as good as Obama. We could really use something that's pretty progressive and much less 'establishment'. I don't know if there are any serious candidates or anyone that will be considered by the establishment as serious enough to not blot out, that fits the bill. Broadly, I hope it's a non-white woman under 50, but I have no real faith in that happening.
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 08:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nonetheless, I encouraged America to stand tall.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 08:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So you are racist, sexist, AND age-ist in your candidate preferences. Typical of the left. If anyone ever said they hoped a candidate was white or male they would be attacked for it. I'm sure you wont recognize how wrong you are.
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| Ceetar Mar 13 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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fuck off with that. I've been very clear that i want a different candidate than the usual, and the usual is very intensely old white male. I was very clear that I wanted progressive. Barring some intense vetting, you're not getting progressive with another old white male. even Bernie, who has some great ideas. We need to undo all the damage Trump is doing. We still need to undo damage Bush did and Obama didn't fix. I'd like to see the country at the forefront of innovation, science, etc. I know I'm not getting this. But like, i have more faith in someone fitting a more diverse background pushing us forward.
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| metirish Mar 13 2018 08:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A shitshow indeed, numerous diplomatic posts left unfilled around the world. Career diplomats pushed out or retired ..Tillerson had indicated a special envoy for Northern Ireland , it is needed. Who knows what will become of that. American diplomacy is sorely needed in many places.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As for Secretary of State, it definitely looks all kinds of bad. Didn't everyone think Tillerson was the pro-Russia cabinet member when he originally got chosen? Wrong again I guess
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 09:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The replacement as CIA director has already been named. She's a 30-year career officer and folks are already breathing a sigh of relief that it isn't Tom Cotton. Both she and Director Pompeo have already accepted their nominations.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I want a Conservative president, but i don't care what color s/he is.
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 09:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, recent experience suggests that it's probably good to stay away from orange.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Didn't see that until just now. Haspel is (one of?) the ones that the EU tried to issue a warrant against accusing her of torture. Though I certainly think the US needs to take a firm stance against allowing anyone to try and prosecute CIA employees for activities sanctioned by the US government, it still seems unnecessarily provocative to our allies to appoint that person to a position like this, even if she is an absolutely wonderful and well-qualified person. 'Trump being Trump' again.
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| MFS62 Mar 13 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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First reports say she ran a CIA "black site" where terrorist suspects were subjected to water boarding and other torture. OE: nymr's post beat me to this. Later
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| Ceetar Mar 13 2018 09:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Orange in 2020, the Republicans are not going to run anyone else. Certainly not one of their three black members.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 13 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Tillerson out... now go write that book!
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| MFS62 Mar 13 2018 09:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some details about the proposed new CIA director Gina Haspel:
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2018 09:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Haspel's okay with torture, but that's the least of our problems now.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 13 2018 09:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't even try to deal with the thought of him running for re-election. Hopefully, he'll be toast before then.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I believe he will face the strongest primary challenge against a sitting president since at least Carter in 1980.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 13 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think so too. I think Kasich will run against him. Not sure who else might. Romney maybe?
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 09:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I take back my broad, biased characterization of orange candidates. I think Ben would be alright.
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Syracuse Mascot thanks you.
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| Ceetar Mar 13 2018 10:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In a way it'd be hilarious to see the Republicans trot out some challengers so they can all berate and bully each other. It seems unlikely they could present a unified front, especially since you could argue that's how he got he nomination in the first place.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2018 10:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think there'll be strong challenges within the GOP because they'll sense weakness, not out of any sense of civic duty. Any Republican would continue most of the bad policies and just dial back on the chaos.
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| Fman99 Mar 13 2018 10:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well I've been thinking more about the 2020 Presidential election than the primaries. But boy I would love to see a legitimate Republican challenger for the nomination. That'd be a hoot.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2018 10:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The scumbags won in 2016 in large part due to voter suppression. I won't go in depth because I'm typing from a smartphone. But the Wisconsin voter ID law was enough, by itself, to deliver the state. NC targeted it's African Americans with surgical precision -- later court fixes came too late to be effectively implemented. Afterwards, brazen NC congressmen bragged that voter suppression delivered NC to Trump. Florida has, by far, the most oppressive and discriminatory laws prohibiting felons from voting, especially under the current governor, affecting over one million voters, the majority who'd vote Dem. And Michigan threw out 75,000 ballots mostly from Detroit. Trump won Michigan by about 10K votes. Gov. Snyder poisoned Wayne County's voting process the same way he poisoned Flint's water.
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| Ceetar Mar 13 2018 01:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yes, I'm aware, they're cheating lying bastards manipulating the system and the Democrats barely care. I'm saying they'd have to go even further in 2020 if Trump AND another Republican were on the ballot.
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| MFS62 Mar 13 2018 02:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjY4tx4ZTJc
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 02:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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First secretary of state to be fired since World War II, right? And demonstrating his usual lack of courage, he wouldn't do it directly.
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| MFS62 Mar 13 2018 04:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course he couldn't fire him face-to-face. Standard way of doing things for the bully and coward that he is.
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| metsmarathon Mar 13 2018 07:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Somebody really oughta tell trump that Russia technically isn’t a red state anymore.
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| MFS62 Mar 13 2018 07:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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BA-DA-BING! Trump gave a speech today in front of a wall. Hmmmmm. I wonder if he'd ask for a blindfold? Later
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| Ashie62 Mar 13 2018 08:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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95 votes apart in PA wow
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 08:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In other words, the announced result tonight, despite being almost meaningless, will be trumpeted by one side or the other as proof that [America has turned on the GOP/Middle America loves Trump] and then a recount will ensue and will likely last past the filing deadline for the November election - when the district is being redistricted. maybe. that is still being appealed.
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| Edgy MD Mar 13 2018 10:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think tonight's results will be meaningless. People may draw broad conclusions or see what they want to see, but there's certainly meaning. There is in every race. MAKE DEMOCRACY GREAT AGAIN!
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| Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 10:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I didn't mean to say that the election itself was meaningless - I meant that any declaration of a "winner" tonight would be meaningless. and yes - yet another argument for instant-runoff.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 14 2018 07:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Looks like Lamb will squeak it out.
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| MFS62 Mar 14 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If there is a recount, I hope it happens quickly, before the Russians have a chance to crank up their software.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 14 2018 07:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I agree. I think it's quite meaningful. I have to wonder if Saccone would have won if he had not embraced Trump as he did. My guess is that, since the race was so close, he very well might have. The thing we'll never know for sure is if Trump's endorsement got him more votes than it cost him, or if it was the other way around.
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| MFS62 Mar 14 2018 07:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There's a (probably apocryphal) story about Richard Nixon telling a candidate in New Jersey, "I'll come out for you or against you, whichever you think will help you more".
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| Edgy MD Mar 14 2018 07:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think there will be about 200 polls that could well give us an idea.
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| MFS62 Mar 14 2018 08:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In like a Lamb:
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 14 2018 09:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, but I don't think we'll ever know for certain. I'm sure the GOP would like to know for the mid-terms, whether it's better to embrace Trump or avoid him, although that would surely vary by district.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 14 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is from the Washington Post's "Daily 202":
That's pretty much exactly what you would want in a President, isn't it?
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| Edgy MD Mar 14 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd be slow to draw too many conclusions from this race.
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| Ashie62 Mar 14 2018 01:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Congratulations to Chief Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2018 01:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Are you saying that voters punished Saccone for Murphy's abortion scandal? If so, I dunno 'bout that. I think that the results would've been the same even if that vacant seat resulted from Murphy's natural death. Any data?
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2018 01:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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BTW, Murphy's not alone on that hypocritical abortions for me, not thee stance. They probably all do it. All them bullshitting Republicans, especially the evangelicals hiding behind god. Believe me, when their unwed or teen aged daughters get knocked up, and they do, they're first in line at the abortion clinic, the fucking bullshit artists. Murphy just had the bad luck to get caught.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2018 01:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More on the PA special: a tremendous riff from Charles Pierce:
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 14 2018 02:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can he get his cocaine delivered to the White House, or will he have to score it in Georgetown? Kudlow fits the profile of the ideal Trump advisor- somebody he sees on the Teevee a lot. Steve Doocy for Energy Secretary! Or Veterans Affairs! Or whatever's open these days!
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| Edgy MD Mar 14 2018 02:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Punished? No. Do I think Murphy's disgrace led some to lose faith in the brand? Certainly.
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| MFS62 Mar 14 2018 04:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You forgot Russian hacking of the voting machines. Later
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| d'Kong76 Mar 14 2018 06:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Millions of dollars, PAC's, dark money. Organize, buy, steal... sounds like the Clintons! I get the outrage but politicians just suck ass, and they're all the same. At least 80% from the smallest of town halls all the way up the ladder are fucking enabled crooks. I will never join a political party until there are some serious changes to the system.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 14 2018 06:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As seen on Twitter: bringing in Pompeo to work with Mattis means that foreign policy decisions will be made by Mike and the Mad Dog.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2018 10:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Russian hacking comes under the "stealing" category when it's part of a broader Republican criminal conspiracy.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 15 2018 01:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I mean, the brand in that area IS abortion+protectourborders. So... take away half of the equation, and run a palooka against a telegenic, moderate young veteran... and what do you have?
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2018 06:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Saccone was a weak candidate. Even noted pundit DJ Trump said that.
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| MFS62 Mar 15 2018 07:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The worst slander is the ads that ran saying Lamb was "anti-military".
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| Edgy MD Mar 15 2018 07:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know, with a 51-49 edge, and Senator McCain only a sporadic member of the caucus, I'm guessing the approval of Director Pompeo and Deputy Director Haspel are something less than guaranteed.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 15 2018 07:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rand Paul's already said no f'n way he'll vote for either of them. I'm sure some of
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2018 11:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pompeo will get confirmed. He received 66 votes for CIA director last year.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2018 11:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Like cultural appropriation! Why is a white woman running a black site!
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2018 11:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Black Sites Matter.
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| metirish Mar 16 2018 08:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Leo making an absolute tool of himself
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 16 2018 09:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't believe they're still doing the stupid shamrock thing. It seems so servile that the Taoiseach has to travel to the United States every year and give shamrocks to the President. How did this tradition get started anyhow?
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| Edgy MD Mar 16 2018 10:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's been a thing since 1952, but it has become more institutionalized in recent decades.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 16 2018 11:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ha. Kudlow.
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| metirish Mar 16 2018 11:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh but they love traveling, TD's travel all over the world this week selling Ireland , and in reality there are no other reasons why the Irish PM would get to sit with the US President , and to dine with various washington power people....it's good biz for the country if a little cringe worthy at times. Considering that he is openly gay it might be fun when he meets Pence.
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| Mets Willets Point Mar 16 2018 06:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Openly gay, person of color, child of an immigrant...all things the Trumpies just love.
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| metirish Mar 16 2018 07:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How true WP , turns out at the request of Pence the breakfast meeting with Varadkar was closed to the media , a break in tradition.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 17 2018 09:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pence was probably trying out Gay Conversion Therapy on him.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 19 2018 06:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure looks like he's getting ready to fire Mueller. We're in uncharted waters here, but this is the kind of thing that dictators and autocrats do when they try to shut down the rule of law. The Republican party is completely missing in action here, and if he goes, it's time to take to the streets.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2018 07:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 19 2018 07:56 AM |
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I never doubted for a second that Mueller will eventually get canned. Or that, like your linked piece suggests, everybody in Mueller's crosshairs will get pardoned, especially anybody whose last name is Trump, or is married to someone whose last name is Trump. That includes the president himself. And if the investigation itself isn't shut down, Trump will never testify unless served with a subpoena. And then, he'll plead the fifth to every question. He won't answer a single meaningful question. Because he doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks. By then, he'll have replaced Kennedy with another judge to tbe right of Adolf Hitler and hey, let the Trump courts clean up this mess because if it comes to this, he probably doesn't give a shit if he gets impeached either, because the spineless Senate will never remove him.
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| seawolf17 Mar 19 2018 07:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is all probably completely spot on.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 19 2018 07:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I like what Lindsey Graham is saying about how firing Mueller would be the beginning of the end of Trump's presidency, but I don't see how that statement will have any teeth behind it.
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| cooby Mar 19 2018 10:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I am sitting here filling out my taxes and I can actually picture effing Trump scrutinizing it.
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| Nymr83 Mar 19 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was just reading over at 538 how even cheating on your taxes is a partisan thing... More Republican/Democratic districts pay more/less depending on who is in office!
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| d'Kong76 Mar 19 2018 10:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Funny, I picture him picking his nose (or something worse).
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| Nymr83 Mar 19 2018 10:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, yeah - anyone who pictures Donald Trump scrutinizing the details of a document must have been living under a rock the past year
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| cooby Mar 19 2018 11:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Might actually be the first time he's ever looked a a 1040, too.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 19 2018 11:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not exactly sure why, but pretty much every Republican has lashed themselves to the SS Trump. There are a few outliers like Jeff Flake, who say all the right things but then vote with Trump anyway. Graham has gone back and forth between condemning Trump and kissing his ass. So no confidence in him whatsoever. I expect the Republican response to Trump firing Mueller will be 'Tsk, tsk, what a shame. Never saw that coming' followed by a complete lack of action. Fox will say that Trump was completely justified because Hillary. The question is what happens next. I'm guessing that Eric Schneiderman has a pretty good idea of what's been going down, so it'll be interesting if that avenue gets tested. Republicans want this to go away almost as badly as Trump does. They buried the House intel investigation, so I'd think they'd be content with burying the rest of it, as they prepare to welcome our new Soviet overlords.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2018 01:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The GOP strategy in the Senate, at least for now, is to stick with Trump no matter what. The thinking is that Trump will carry the in play states and the red states where Dem senators are up for reelection. Sticking with Trump, according to the strategy, will not only preserve, but extend the GOP senate majority.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 19 2018 02:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a risky strategy, especially if things go further south for the Great Orange Gasbag.
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| sharpie Mar 19 2018 02:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of those five seats it is Missouri and Indiana that are the most worrisome. Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin in North Dakota and West Virginia respectively are pretty popular. I don't know much about Montana. Democrats might be able to put Tennessee in play with Corker retiring and the former governor running for that seat.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2018 02:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And who knows how much longer McCain can continue to serve? Another crushing Dem defeat that hasn't gotten the attention it deserves is the party's failure to take the Senate in 2016. There were six or seven seats that the Dems could have reasonably flipped. And they were leading in the polls up until three days after the Comey letter, when everything went south. Where would we be today if Chuck Schumer was the Senate majority leader?
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 19 2018 02:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If I could choose one of the two houses of Congress for the Democrats to take over, it would be the Senate so that they could stop (or influence) Trump's next Supreme Court appointee. (And Cabinet positions too.)
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 19 2018 05:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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O' Rourke's probably a little too rational for Texas, but just the slim opportunity to rid our nation of Ted Cruz led me to donate to him. Hey, it worked in Alabama.
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| Fman99 Mar 19 2018 07:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How does any Republican national officeholder look themselves in the mirror and feel like, by supporting this executive branch, that they are in fact doing what's best for their nation? I can't wrap my head around it. Not only is he despicable, but he's grossly incompetent, to the point that he endangers us. How do they all look past that to the simple math of "Keep Trump in power = keep our jobs?"
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| Edgy MD Mar 19 2018 07:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ask somebody. There's sure to be some supporters in your neck of the woods.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 19 2018 08:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not even close. And after the Merrick Garland blockade, sometimes I think I'd prefer the Senate over the White House if I had to choose from the two. (But if this was a draft, I'd take a Supreme Court majority over everything. )
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 07:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not sure what’s harder, getting people out of the clutches of the Cult of Personality hold, wether or not its from Fox or not, or convincing hardcore libs that just because I lean Catholic conservative with some non SJW appropriate values (Pro Life, believer in sensible behavior that doesn’t make you an easy mark, etc) that I’m not an evil and toxic twat that they should cut out of their lives.
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| Vic Sage Mar 20 2018 08:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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SJW?
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| Ceetar Mar 20 2018 08:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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social justice warrior. It's a derisive term the Red Pillers use to mock people that care about other people. Like "Stop being a SJW and caring about black people getting killed by police!"
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 20 2018 08:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I thought it was "straight Jewish white" but then again, that wouldn't make sense since Steve said he was Catholic.
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| MFS62 Mar 20 2018 08:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You and Vic have been spending time on Jdate.com?
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| metsmarathon Mar 20 2018 08:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"believer in sensible behavior that doesn’t make you an easy mark"
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| Edgy MD Mar 20 2018 08:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The definitions of the "whole conservative worldview" are very fungible.
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| metsmarathon Mar 20 2018 08:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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this is true, and i'm painting with a very wide uneven brush.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 08:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The derisiveness is intended for keyboard warriors who seem to think they can change the world just by sharing hashtags, or in whatever the tweet character limit is these days quips. To say nothing about those whom seem intent to blanket everyone who shares opposite opinions than they do with the same broad brush because they see articles where a handful of dolts are doing something insane in their small section of the internet, be akin to literally petitioning whomever is using old Al Lang stadium's places to officially name the Sadecki Spot and Butterball Mound based on in jokes on a Met message board. Yet anytime some "journalist" notices a very small "movement" against something, or knee jerk (which tweets usually are) reactions to something (say a lack of good guy white males as compared to other demographics in the latest Star Wars movies) it gets blown out of proportion in "HEY LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER WE ARE THAN PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH OUR POLITICAL AND SOCIAL VIEWS" pieces.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Don't put yourself into a bad position" isn't victim blaming for rape, mugging, or anything else. Its making sure the potential victim is mindful of his or her surroundings, and is able to make sound decisions.
This comes from knowing someone with a history of working in inner cities who is a staunch Republican as they come, so yes, perpetrators should be at fault 100% but the phrase "nothing good happens after 3AM" exists for a reason and I know people with plenty of crazy stories to tell. neighboorhood Hell, you can trace the downfall of the 2006 Mets, and beyond (no inking Perez to a long term contract) to a bad decision to go out clubbing in Miami at 4 in the morning! And by "toxic" I mean this sort of debate shouldn't be reason enough to disconnect with someone on social media platforms. Because clearly this is an issue that people just disagree on. If I say "oh, you shouldn't walk alone through this seedy neighborhood at 3am" that isn't something to unfriend someone over. Its just someone giving what they think is sound advice.
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| Edgy MD Mar 20 2018 09:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And by "seedy neighborhood," he clearly means the Mar a Lago on Friday night/Saturday morning, amirite?
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| Ceetar Mar 20 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it is if you're commenting on someone's rape/murder/harassment. Which is a red herring, because that's not where you're most at risk, you're most at risk at home. Painting "inner cities at night" as some bastion of depravity where they pull people off the streets and kill/rape them is often heavily racist, and is one of the boogeymen folk use to justify stuff. Like the "robbers are just breaking into houses and don't care anymore if you're home they'll just kill you" as why you should have a loaded gun. Even though none of that is even remotely based on reality. On a similar note if use "Mets reliever was having a good time late at night in Miami" as a reason why the Mets deserved to lose the 2006 NLCS, I'd similarly ignore your opinion and cut those opinions out if they persisted. It's the same garbage as "Matt Harvey was having a good time on his off day!" nonsense as some reason why he has a bad outing.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 09:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Your "whom" should've been a "who". And your "whomever" should've been a "whoever". You always screw this up because you love to stick in a whom wherever you can and I've had it up to here with it. From now on, I'm calling you Doctor Whom.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 10:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And it's Butterball Field, not Butterball Mound, to whom it may concern.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 10:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Then what would you tell people in terms of always being mindful of their surroundings? Where to go and how to act in certain situations? There are ways to be a total mark for bad people, and there are ways not to be. Has nothing to do with feeling of ignorant superiority over those who are different. I mean I'd add not driving when you've been drinking too much as the same type of advice. It has everything to do with getting from Point A to Point B safely.
Sanchez's injury necessitated the Roberto Hernandez trade, moving Heilman to the pen for the postseason, made a mess out of bullpen plans for a few years, and the perception that Ollie Perez would be a stud for years to come. Much easier to see the butterfly effect with slamming a taxi cab door on Sanchez' pitching hand at 4 in the morning than it is for one bad night from a hungover Matt Harvey. And where do you get off me suggesting that it was a key factor in the fall of that budding dynasty as "deserving" to lose the NLCS? They didn't deserve to lose the NLCS because of it. What I was saying that its an easy incident to point to as one of the cause and effects to why the NLCS was lost and how the roster, specifically the pitching staff and pen corps, was altered in negative ways for a number of years. Its the same as saying Terry Collins' gambit of leaving Johan Santana in to get his no-hitter was a key factor in his having to leave the game, a point of time where you can clearly see how someone can say "well A truly was a factor in getting to B." Yes, Sanchez could easily have done that getting out of a cab at the airport coming home from said road trip, but it didn't, and it should serve as a reminder that "nothing good happens after 3am" is a pretty darn good adage to live by.
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| 41Forever Mar 20 2018 11:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 20 2018 11:43 AM |
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Everyone's experiences will be different, of course. But I would strongly disagree with that worldview statement. Having just spent the last five years working with people who would be considered moderates and conservatives, I know they cared very, very deeply about helping other people and invested in creating and expanding programs to do that. You can argue that the approach is more of a teaching them to fish type of thing. But to paint them as uncaring and self-focused is, based on my personal experiences, very inaccurate. I'm sure I've just opened myself up to new rounds of attacks and insults.
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| Ceetar Mar 20 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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no, if you want to go out at 3am, then freaking go out at 3am. There's plenty of good stuff that happens at 3am. Hell, I just read a equally stupid argument that you should START your day at 4am, so that's an awfully small window of "stupid to be up at this time" and "super smart to be up at this time. I might suggest caution to a friend pondering going to somewhere I considered dangerous, or at least inquire if they'd thought about it. I certainly wouldn't take a "told you so" tone with someone that had experienced trauma. Maybe a "I'm scared of that area at that time of night, doubly so now" I'm not making the judgement on what is or isn't safe for another person. Certainly if I think a friend is a mark or being duped, I'll speak up, but not simply "oh, don't go _there_! it's dangerous!" Though these statements are often head in the sand remarks anyway. You're pretending these bad things won't happen to you because you don't do _dangerous_ things. How about "We need to clean up that area" "That area needs more street lights/more cops patrols/etc"
I wasn't suggesting YOU were suggesting it, I was suggesting it's a similar argument to the 'got mugged in Harlem late at night' argument. Johan Santana's no-hitter was probably unrelated to his no longer having a career. In general, things happen, and it's faulty logic to try to pinpoint one random thing that caused it all. Hell, perhaps if we don't get Oliver Perez we lose in the first round because we're short on starters. Or Sanchez simply sucks in the extremely small sample NLDS. You could just lock all the players in bubbles between games so they don't get hurt, but that's beyond stupid. There are stipulations all over contracts for risky behavior, but going out at 3am is not one of them. dating super models is not one of them. drinking heavily is not one of them. People are different, maybe blowing up steam with a bunch of beers (and whatnot) allows Harvey to unwind and be focused on the mound, whereas if he didn't he'd be jittery and distracted and not as good? In short, there's no right way to live life. no one way to accomplish anything. Do what you want, and if it offends people, own it. They have the right to be offended too. It's when you're way of life is actively harming or preventing other people's ability to live theirs that it becomes a problem. Telling people they shouldn't go out at 3am, that they shouldn't drink and party, That you shouldn't go out and get food if you're hungry at midnight after flying to Miami when you don't even have work for something like 35 hours.
Some do, sure. But they're blind to the idea that you're teaching them to fish because your pond is richly stocked with fish so it works for you. They may not have a pond. Their pond may be poorly maintained, less well stocked, or some industrial complex has been dumping filth in it to cut quarters because many of those same people feel it's not the corporation's job to worry about the land/community around them. They have a right to make a profit. It's the catch-22 of "We'll hire anyone that's qualified! That's fair and honest right? It's not our fault there are no minorities with experience in this field!"
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 11:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't want this to be transferred to The Red Light Forum, but I'll be damned to hear anyone call relatives of mine, and long time family friends who've worked for decades in places like the NYPD hateful and bigoted racists because their world views slightly differ from what is considered to be the correct social justice world view in 2018. Not in a racist way, but in practicality due to living and working in certain places.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 11:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I know that wasn't your intention, I'm just a bit fed up of hearing liberal keyboard warriors describe things I'd associate with my parents, relatives, family friends, etc with behavior and feelings that are racist/sexist/hateful/etc.
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| 41Forever Mar 20 2018 11:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would disagree with this as well. A big part of our work was helping create environment to build more and better ponds, especially in areas where they are most needed, then create programs to give people -- all people, but especially those in areas that need them most -- the skills to fish in them. Labeling is dangerous and usually wrong. I've learned about seeing the things in the gray, Ceets. The "some" is a lot larger than you think.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 11:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 20 2018 11:31 AM |
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It's ok Steve, deep breaths! You've been a Jeter/Yankee loving guy since we've all known you and you know we still love ya. I was going to add that over the weekend I witnessed a guy buy two twelve packs of Modello at a market with a gov't issued card (formerly known as food stamps). I assume he knew the cashier and she rang it up as bread and eggs. Stuff like that keeps me from being ultra-liberal and more of a moderate in many areas of government. If anyone reading that thinks it makes me a racist, I'll just I'll have to 'own' that.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 11:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's help everybody by voting for the nice guy who's going to bring back coal jobs for everybody. Then he'll propose some of the largest cuts to the education budget ever because that money should instead go to the Koch Brothers, who don't have enough money as it is, making the USA the country that spends the least on education on a per capita basis among the world's most advanced and industrialized. Then him and his party can install the know-nothing fraud Betsy Devos to the cabinet, where she can advance whackadoo education ideas for which there is virtually no empirical data in support other than that those idiotic ideas must be true simply because Betsy Devos believes them to be true -- Betsy Devos, who's so far away from normal that it couldn't be more ridiculous if Carrot Top was named Sec'y of Education. And that's how the Republicans help everybody.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 20 2018 11:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 11:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 20 2018 11:42 AM |
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Can you make the Derek Jeter Jeets joke so we can move on already? I'm not naming names but I have no idea what most of today's posts are talking about.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 11:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Indeed, all while The Orange Wonder is on the news with the Saudis selling more jets and claiming 40,000 more jobs created. It's a mad mad world.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 11:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not a single clue.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 20 2018 11:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh wow. You made the Jeter joke. I missed it. That's how much my head's spinning from today's posts.
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| Ceetar Mar 20 2018 12:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's not about slightly different. That's sorta the whole point. People that aren't or haven't been affected by things don't see the huge weight it's placing on someone else. And those people are starting to speak up more and more, in part thanks to technology and access. It doesn't make me a 'liberal keyboard warrior' or whatever, to say hey, maybe we should pay more attention to these people and what they have to say. Maybe we shouldn't be the ones deciding it's trivial. or how they dress, or where they walk at night. You're talking about broad social protocols like "don't walk in dangerous areas at night" . that's an obvious one. "Don't go into that one bar on Bleeker street because there are lot of bad people that hang out there" is less so, and if someone wanders in unknowingly and gets mugged, you're going to shrug it off as them engaging in risky behavior? Perhaps we should work towards making everything safer in general. People shouldn't have to walk on eggshells, or alter their lifestyle, to accommodate others just because those others thing the indiscretion is trivial. The whole #metoo movement is full of people/women talking about avoiding people, avoiding certain situations, altering plans, making sure not to be the last one working in the office, etc. You could say a jovial workplace where the boss makes an occasional 'make me a sandwich' joke to female employees is just a laid back environment, just a 'slightly different' viewpoint on how workplaces operate, but to the women, it's much more than that. people aren't unfriending others because they of slightly different. They're saying "this is not right, we want to fix it. We want it to be better. Let's make it better. Let's not tolerate this anymore." and you're saying "meh, it's no big deal, things are fine." So they're simply saying "well, get out of the way then." @41forever it's too confusing to try to maintain two threads. I Shouldn't have replied to both. We're mostly in agreement, I Just think a larger percentage of the 'help those who help themselves' crowd is ignoring egregious inequality than you do.
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| MFS62 Mar 20 2018 12:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I had to go back to prior page(s) to try to figure out what lit the match to this, and I still can't figure out which exact comment it was. This has been a ticking time bomb for a while and the explosion was inevitable. And I guess this is what this has been all about - politics can be a divisive force, even among "friends". The degree to which people take offense can vary, but some relationships may (IMO) never be the same going forward. As I've stated before, I've seen at least two other baseball sites fall apart once politics were introduced. I'd hate to see it happen here. Later
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| d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 12:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 20 2018 12:50 PM |
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Why are you including the Jeter thing in your quote, MFS? I've been joking around with Steve (who is a friend of mine) about being a Yankee fan for like fifteen years. Has nothing to do with politics and/or boards blowing up over a political brush fire or two.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 20 2018 12:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wise words. I just had a really long post that it's probably best I deleted.
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 01:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, but The Stormy Present (sorry Abe) still lingers and grows [url]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/us/ex-playboy-model-sues-to-break-silence-on-trump.html?emc=edit_na_20180320&nl=breaking-news&nlid=27279148&ref=cta&referer=
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| MFS62 Mar 20 2018 01:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sorry, Kase. This is what I meant to quote. Now you can see why I started my response the way I did:
As for kidding Jeets about his love for that other team, I know that is an ongoing thing,I find it funny and meant no disrespect. To either of you. Later
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| Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 02:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not even going to read all this today. Just chiming in to say "fuck Jeter"
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| Ceetar Mar 20 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Giancarlo Stanton agrees.
[url]https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/03/20/giancarlo-stanton-derek-jeter-marlins-fire-sale
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| SteveJRogers Mar 20 2018 02:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don’t know what to think of a Luke Skywalker quote being used by a member of The Evil Empire!
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 21 2018 09:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Betsy Devos testified before a House committee yesterday and got routinely hammered like a pinata. The incompetent crook with the religious agenda should just go away already. There are many videos all over the internet showing congressmen destroying her. In the video linked to below, Devos is ripped for passing regs that make it easier for shady lenders to rip off students. Dumb Devos is probably responding by spouting some memorized and rehearsed answer --- and getting nowhere. It's terrific political theater even though nothing will likely come of it because congress can't remove a cabinet member just because her policies are crazy. What a clown show she is.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 21 2018 07:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I gave congresswoman DeLauro nine stars out of ten. I deducted one star because the congresswoman forgot to throw dogshit at Betsy Devos.
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| Nymr83 Mar 22 2018 07:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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someone in the White House needs to change his password, change the recovery email to Mitch.McConell@Senate.gov, and call it a day.
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| Centerfield Mar 22 2018 07:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's just embrace the crazy that is our nation and set up this match.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 22 2018 07:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Whatever we chose, can we please insist they both wear as many clothes as possible!
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2018 08:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I guess Trump (and everyone else) missed the phrase, "if we were in high school". Of course, back then Trump would have had to back out due to those painful bone spurs.
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| MFS62 Mar 22 2018 09:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kase, I just noticed your new sig line - the Brennan quote. Please keep it at least until this horrid chapter in our history is closed. Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 22 2018 10:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wanna know how that hearing went? Congress rejected Betsy Devos's proposed enormous budget cuts to education. Read it below, but to summarize, Devos wanted to cut as much as possible from public education and give it all to voucher and charter schools. Also, she wanted to virtually eliminate the civil rights enforcement division. That's because in addition to being a religious nut with a religious agenda to use the schools to bring back God's Kingdom -- which should've disqualified her just for that alone -- she's a racist and a homophobe. Not just any kind of homophobe. Not just the kind of homophobe that donates millions to anti LGBT groups. Devos is a rabid, virulent frothing at the mouth homophobe. She might even be worse than Pence. I dunno but it's close. They're both running the country now, so they'll do everything they can to bring back the 18th century. Which would be fine with Jeff Sessions because then slavery would be legal again and he wouldn't need to Jim Crow anybody. Watch out if Sessions starts to invest in cotton. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html Also, the NYT reports that it was discovered that Devos hid critical information from Congress to try and get her retrograde and ultimately rejected budget passed. Devos's tactics including threatening her staff and curtailing their collective bargaining powers. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/us/p ... union.html
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2018 11:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I often find myself cheering on the likes of John Brennan, Michael Hayden and Bill Kristol these days. Strange times indeed.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 22 2018 01:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump announces (bullshits) that he'd like to testify before Mueller.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2018 01:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, John Dowd, his lawyer that was advising him against sitting down with Mueller, just resigned, feeling that he was not being listened to. So Trump may just be cocky enough to walk into this trap.
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| Edgy MD Mar 22 2018 01:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope you got paid in cash, Mr. Dowd.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2018 01:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My most fervent hope is that Trump thinks he's a lot smarter than the people questioning him and the people advising him.
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| Edgy MD Mar 22 2018 01:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What I worry about is his saturation strategy, that he'll perjure himself so repeatedly that the meaning of perjury will have degraded, and it will be seen as no big deal.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 22 2018 01:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That does seem to work for him.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2018 02:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It works in everything else. It's scandal fatigue.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 22 2018 02:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Maybe Dowd left because he doesn't think he'll be able to stop Trump from firing Mueller. https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... next-to-go
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| MFS62 Mar 22 2018 05:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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McMaster out, Bolton in.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 22 2018 05:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is very, very, very bad. It can't be overstated how dangerous John Bolton is.
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| MFS62 Mar 22 2018 06:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The only thing more dangerous is the fact that Rump will listen to him. Later
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| Nymr83 Mar 22 2018 07:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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ByeBye DiBlasio?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 22 2018 08:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right? Honestly, I can't imagine how any real lawyer-- even one with a sympathetic ideological bent and no real scruples-- could see their way to working for Trump. He routinely ignores advice, lies like it's a bodily function, and doesn't pay. There's, like, no benefit to having him as a client.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 23 2018 06:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But back to the guy with the mustache. He feels that a first strike on North Korea isn't just doable, it's necessary. He also thinks Iran should be in the crosshairs. Him whispering things in Trump's ear like, "Obama didn't have the GUTS to nuke Pyongyang, but YOU do." is what'll be keeping me up nights for the next 3 years.
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| MFS62 Mar 23 2018 06:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It comes down to whether giving up one's self respect is worth being able to write "Advisor to the President" on your resume. Later
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| seawolf17 Mar 23 2018 06:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, this guy is scary as fuck.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 23 2018 09:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Heard of the three-ring circus? Well Trump World is like a 20-ring circus. How can everybody keep up? Betsy Devos tries to pass her budget by hiding critical data from Congress and threatening her staff if they leak (which they did anyway) and you have to dig for this story like it's a needle in a haystack. Count Ivanka and Klepto Kushner are Trump's bagmen disguised as make believe secretaries of state without top level security clearances and that's like 50th on the list of scandals.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 23 2018 01:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, with Bolton running with scissors through the White House, all the other scandals get pushed down a notch.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 23 2018 03:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Until Sunday at the latest, when Bolton himself gets pushed down a couple of notches. Trump might start a nuclear war by then with the Stormy Daniels 60 Minutes interview set to air.
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| Fman99 Mar 23 2018 09:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Eh, her older video performances are more stirring.
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| MFS62 Mar 24 2018 07:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's only a matter of time before Trump trades in his wife for a newer model.
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| cooby Mar 25 2018 05:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I’m not sure I’m willing to take the word of a porn star who’s getting a prime time interview opportunity
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| Edgy MD Mar 25 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As opposed to ... President Trump?
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| MFS62 Mar 25 2018 07:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Including (reportedly) videos. Later
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| Edgy MD Mar 25 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm trying to think of a time that major outlets have reported a story of a rich and powerful man having an affair with an actress/porn actress/model/porn model/country singer/underling and suggested the story was credible but turned out to be wrong.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 25 2018 12:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump's never gonna testify before Mueller, I don't think. Here's another way Trump could avoid testifying, this time without having to plead the fifth, assuming, of course, that the investigation itself isn't shut down and the SCOTUS ultimately rules that Trump has to comply with Mueller's subpoena. Trump could simply defy the subpoena altogether and refuse to testify despite being ordered to by the top court. This move has its risks and is guaranteed to cause total mayhem. Ordinarily, a court will punish a person in contempt of a court order in one of two ways. The court could impose a daily fine on the offender in effect until the person decides to comply. Most people can't afford to absorb the penalty for too long. But given Trump's wealth and the typical amount of the fine, this financial penalty would be an ineffective way of getting Trump to comply. The fine would be like bubble gum money to Trump, and on top of that, he probably doesn't chew gum in the first place. The other penalty is to incarerate the offender until he relents and decides to comply. But how would this play out? Can a sitting president be jailed? It's never been decided, because a sitting president has never defied a court order yet. Trump might feel confident here, given the composition of the SCOTUS, which will surely have the last and definitive word on the matter, especially if Trump gets to replace another of the octogenarian justices by the time we get to this place. And what would happen if the SCOTUS rules against Trump? What would happen when the US Marshals come to jail Trump? Would Trump order White House security, or even the military to run interference and to protect him from the US Marshals? Servicemen took an oath to uphold the Constitution and if the SCOTUS rules against Trump, the jailing of a sitting president is then constitutional. Expect a shitshow if we go here and the phrase "constitutional crisis" all over the place. By defying a court order, Trump also essentially dares Congress to impeach him. I've no doubt that a Democratic controlled House -- a real possibility, if not likelihood after the mid terms -- would impeach him in a NY minute. But would the Senate remove Trump? If Trump calculates that there aren't enough senate votes to remove him, would he even care if he's impeached? Who knows, but this will be some scandal.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 25 2018 01:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You can go a little nuts trying to work out all the possibilities. After some more thought, I think that the worst threat to Trump should he decide to defy an order from the SCOTUS would be impeachment, and not jail time. Because if the SCOTUS rules that a sitting president could be incarcerated, Trump can then change his mind, decide to comply and plead the fifth, and thus, avoid jail time. If Trump doesn't care if he gets impeached so long as he's not removed, he can make Mueller jump through all kinds of hoops. And there's no way Trump gets removed if, in the end, he complies with Mueller's subpoena.
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| MFS62 Mar 25 2018 04:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My wife wondered whether people will have a party tonight to watch 60 minutes like some do to watch the Academy Awards or Super Bowl.
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| Fman99 Mar 25 2018 08:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cheetos and Diet Coke.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 26 2018 05:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Feh. A big nothingburger. Nothing we didn't know already. Even her outfit was frumpy.
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| MFS62 Mar 26 2018 06:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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THAT'S what we could have served! Later
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 26 2018 06:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The thug (From Trump? From the lawyer?) mob-bossing her in the Vegas parking lot (with her toddler present) was something new.
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| metirish Mar 26 2018 07:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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She came across as nobody's fool
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| d'Kong76 Mar 26 2018 12:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The NYT app leaked that towards the end of the 2nd basketball game (don't know if it was a scoop) but even that wasn't new for me. If it was Geraldo Rivera there would be much more to do over the nothingness, haha
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 26 2018 12:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It didn't take the internet long to find other instances of Trump goons making similar threats on other matters. It is shocking that this piece of unAmerican garbage is going to require a revolution just to impeach.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 26 2018 05:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pence. Imagine a ruthlessly efficient Republican machine without all the chaos. The only reason Trump hasn't been worse is because of his incompetence.
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| Edgy MD Mar 26 2018 05:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump = worse.
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| Fman99 Mar 26 2018 08:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Always 100% true. The worst of the rest of that party, ideologically bizarre as they may be, are still patriots, and adults.
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| Ceetar Mar 26 2018 08:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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we don't know if Pence would be more efficient at dismantling our country. I mean, do we know if his wife is up to the level of chaperoning duty that would need to be done?
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2018 04:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Another scumbag Republican maneuver --see link below-- that despite, whatever the so-called pretense will be, is designed only to disenfranchise and vote suppress Dem voters by rigging the census to under-represent blue state populations, and steal electoral votes from blue states to transfer them to red states and to re-draw congressional lines all to the unfair advantage of the GOP. California already announced that it will mount a legal challenge to this scumbag move. Yeah. Good luck with that. If the GOP gets away with this, Dems wont be able to undo it for at least 10 years. And then another 10 years affer that, if they fail in 2030. Next time around, California, use your resources to dissuade swing state liberals from voting for Jill Stein because they should wake up and smell the fucking coffee and learn that, like it or not --and I don't like it either but you gotta work with what you got-- we live in a two-party system. My god, what they did by voting for Jill Stein in the most consequential election of their lifetimes, with the US census on its way and 100 federal court vacancies on the line including one on the SCOTUS that could determine that court's ideological and political leanings for, perhaps, the next 40 years. Oh, the humanity! Oh, Bartleby!
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 27 2018 06:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If you can't win fairly, you change the rules. Pretty good chance this maneuver gets shot down, though. They're pretty ham-handed in how they do things and I'm willing to bet that there's some discovery that'll be done that'll show their intent. People have always been undercounted because they were afraid even before this blatant move.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2018 06:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder how long the GOP was waiting to make this dirty move? The last time they had one of their own presidents in a position to do this was Bush I.
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| Ceetar Mar 27 2018 07:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It doesn't even matter if it 'succeeds'. I doubt it even matters if we get a democratic congress in 2018 to check Trump. There's too much fear and distrust sowed already, in the government/US as a whole, that's not going to go away if you change the figures at the top. Not to many of these folks. It'll be decades before we've repaired the damage that's already been done.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 27 2018 07:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Judges. It's all about judges. That's where the real damage lies. The EPA and State Department can be rebuilt, but some of these nutjobs will still be there 35 years from now.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2018 07:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, I agree with you a trillion percent. Even if the GOP rigs the census like they want to for just one 10 year cycle, it might take decades to get undocumenteds to let themselves be counted again. I've already written that the GOP won the whole game on the day Trump won the election because the whole election was about filling Scalia's seat, as far as I'm concerned. The GOP might own the SCOTUS for another 40 years. At least. And the GOP electorate understood that. They held their noses and pulled the lever for Trump anyways. Trump's legacy will have enormous and awful consequences long after he's dead and buried and long after we're dead and buried. Trump has a good chance of shaping the courts more profoundly than any other president in tbis country's history. It's all anticlimactic to me. Mueller could indict Trump. A jury could convict Trump. ISIS could behead him and his typewriter first daughter Ivanka for all I care. The bastards already won.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 27 2018 08:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know if this should go in the 'Gah!' thread or here so I'll stick it here -
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| d'Kong76 Mar 27 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Guess I'll go back and Clrl-F twenty Pi18 pages for typewriter. Jeez.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 27 2018 12:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Found it, never mind...
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2018 01:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Whaddya know, once in a while, the search box works.
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| d'Kong76 Mar 27 2018 01:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Haha, actually I went and Ctlr-F'd a couple of pages and bingo! If you
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 28 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Awesome job posting on Craigslist:
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2018 12:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or Trump might appear before Muelller and invoke executive privilege. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cl ... for-trump/
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| MFS62 Mar 28 2018 03:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder what kinds of unsolicited services that client will accept. Then again, he's probably the one who does the soliciting. Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2018 05:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I frequently keep on repeating this dreadful quote to myself. It's not even accurate because it assumes that Gorsuch will retire at the typical age at which a SCOTUS judge retires and that then, the vacant seat will automatically flip to a liberal judge. That flip is not guaranteed, and so Gorsuch's appointment might allow conservatives to control that court for even longer. As it is, the SCOTUS hasn't had a liberal majority for over 40 years. And the opportunity to flip a seat is becoming exceedingly rarer. SCOTUS judges are paid better than they used to be, and have better health and benefits packages now, that carry into retirement. So they no longer have to work until they drop dead. They can coordinate their retirements so that it's likely that theyll be replaced by a like minded judge. So here's the solution. If the Dems have the balls that they don't usually have but the GOP does because sometimes I think the Dems are so clueless that they still have no idea how cutthroat and corrupt the GOP is. If the Dems ever get to control the White House and Congress again, simultaneously, and with a unified and filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they should pass legislation to increase the number of SCOTUS Judges so that there'd be a liberal majority on the bench. Either that or wait maybe 50 years to flip a seat. Or two. When the GOP raises hell, the Dems could remind them about Merrick Garland and a crooked and partisan SCOTUS that installed Bush II as president in one of the most outrageous SCOTUS decisions in our history. By then, no doubt, it will have been proven conclusively that the Trump presidency is illegitimate, thus further calling into question the legitimacy and fairness of Gorsuch's tenure on the high court. Will the Dems have the balls to do what the GOP would do in a heartbeat if the roles were reversed?
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| Edgy MD Mar 28 2018 09:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The churn continues, with VA Secretary David Shulkin fired, to be replaced by Rear Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson, the guy who gave that bizarre the-president-is-fit-as-a-fiddle press conference.
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| MFS62 Mar 29 2018 05:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's where we should be using the old expression "Doctor, heal thyself". Later
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| Chad Ochoseis Mar 29 2018 06:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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An enormous bureaucracy that, by all accounts, Shulkin was doing an excellent job streamlining while improving quality of care. Trump really is good at finding highly competent people...and then doing his best to run them out of DC.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 29 2018 06:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Couple of things. Kennedy's hired clerks for next year, so he's sticking around. If Democrats squeak out the Senate in 2018 (a huge if), they can blunt the kind of judges he nominates. In any case, Democrats should get the Senate back in 2020. The math is good for them and well, Trump. There will be a fired-up Democratic base the likes of which you've never seen. Another thing is that some judges evolve over time. Not all, but some. Souter. Earl Warren. Even John Roberts voted to uphold Obamacare. You don't know what may be going on in their heads over the passage of time. After 2020, there could be multiple vacancies with a good chance of a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate. The Garland thing was outrageous. But Democrats will have the hammer in a few years. I'm mildly hopeful that they'll use it.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2018 11:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not so sure Kennedy hired clerks for next year. Kennedy hired clerks last December for 12 months, covering the 2018 calendar year. Granted, this runs into the next term. But I don't think this necessarily means Kennedy intends to stay beyond the current term. Kennedy might've simply decided not to telegraph his intention to retire. Kennedy's not a centrist. He has hard core conservative values and just happens to side with liberals on some issues. Its hoping for too much for Kennedy to stay on and for the Dems to take back the Senate later this year. While the Dems chances have improved after the GOP squandered its Alabama seat, it's still an unlikely outcome. The Dems pretty much have to run the table. And if Kennedy stays on and the GOP holds its Senate majority, Kennedy can stay on for yet another two terms before the next presidential election. I also think that pinning your hopes on one of the conservative judges shifting to the middle over the years is bleak, though it has happened, as you note. Besides, three of the four conservatives, Alito, Thomas and Gorsuch, are practically Nazis. Coincidentally, 538.com ran a piece a few months ago on the prospects of Roberts softening and shifting to the center. Pack the court, Dems, when you get the chance.
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| batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some sobering commentary on the anticipated Democratic blue wave coming next Election Day.
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| Lefty Specialist Mar 31 2018 07:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Even with gerrymandering, there were 23 districts with a Republican congressman whose district voted for Hillary. (one of those is my district, NJ-7) They need 24 to flip the House. The generic ballot has been fluctuating +10 and +15 Dem. They have a President who's an absolute albatross in suburban districts and poison among women. Republicans are retiring at a furious clip because they know what's coming.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 05 2018 02:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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http://www.eclectablog.com/2018/04/poor ... qus_thread
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| MFS62 Apr 08 2018 11:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rump lobbied against mandatory sprinklers.
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| Nymr83 Apr 08 2018 05:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you mean a politically motivated asshole? because that is the only type of DA would try to charge anything here - you want to make lobbying illegal now? I guess the left would enjoy that since it is a feature of communism.
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| MFS62 Apr 08 2018 05:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No. Not for lobbying. I mean someone who resisted putting sprinklers in his building and would then actually build the building and say publicly that it was perfectly safe and not to worry. Somebody died. He can be sued. Can he be prosecuted? It would be interesting. BTW- I never heard of a law against lobbying in Communist countries. Where did you come up with that? If you could prosecute lobbyists, Washington would be a ghost town. Later
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| Edgy MD Apr 08 2018 09:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As a longtime Washingtonian, I assure you, we weren't all lobbyists.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 09 2018 02:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Breaking: FBI raids office of Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 09 2018 02:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 09 2018 02:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Cohen's residence, too.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 10 2018 07:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And while others were covering this Fake News, Fox was not to be distracted from the REALLY important stuff, which is that pandas are aggressive and sex-crazed. No, seriously.
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| Ceetar Apr 10 2018 07:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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this is like, old news too.
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| Nymr83 Apr 10 2018 08:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, FOX is definitely biased in which stories it chooses to give attention to. So is everyone else. The liberal networks would probably break away from a moon landing in progress to bring you the latest on Stormy Daniels. Meanwhile, we should all be a little more concerned that the FBI can now raid a lawyer's office and cart away his files. That is not good for anyone.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 10 2018 08:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They went through numerous hoops to do this. They had to prove to a judge that there was potential criminal activity involved. This is well-established law, not anything new. And the raid was carried out through the US Attorney's office for the Southern District, a guy Trump interviewed for the job (which is highly irregular in itself). It was signed off on by Rod Rosenstein and a warrant was issued. Nobody 'broke in' as Trump said. To be fair, Tucker Carlson did also devote a segment last night to testing trans women for the Boston Marathon. Both those stories being more important than the FBI raiding the President's lawyer's office? Um, okay. If you get it on cable, I highly recommend CCTV. It's state-run Chinese TV and it's full of happy workers and praise of President Xi. It's very much like Fox News. They even have pandas.
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| Ceetar Apr 10 2018 09:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well Fox isn't a news station so it really shouldn't be treated as such. That's the joke here. "Station with news in their name isn't" I know it's preaching to the choir when we point out that Fox News is the equivalent of sports talk radio and the 'yell about stuff for ratings' model, but it's still kinda funny.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 09:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 10 2018 09:30 AM |
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What a loon. Is he suggesting that the president's lawyer's office getting raided with a no knock search warrant isn't news? He also thinks that HRC doesn't deserve armed security protection and that recounts are pointless. Yeah, he's credible. Watch him call me every foul name in the book now, with total impunity, but my retaliatory post will be the one to get red-lit.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 10 2018 09:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, don't call people loons. This is politics. It's not personal, so don't go out of your way to make it so.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 09:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 10 2018 08:00 PM |
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You're totally right. But you think he hasn't called me 100 times worse than a loon? And way before I called him anything? How come no one here ever tells anyone not to call me a motherfucker? Or my mother a word that rhymes with bunt and a whore?
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| Edgy MD Apr 10 2018 09:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Everybody, don't do that.
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| Edgy MD Apr 10 2018 11:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's impressive that Cohen has become the kind of mess that Trump usually dispatches Cohen to clean up.
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| Nymr83 Apr 10 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I dont think he wants to go down with that ship. Though it is fair to ask if someone who was part of OJ's team would really care how defending a douchebag looks.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 10 2018 02:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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OJ, for all his faults, paid attention to his lawyers and followed their instructions to a T. Remember the glove scene?
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 02:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 10 2018 07:51 PM |
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Unless there are massive state charges in the works against Cohen, he's gonna get a presidential pardon. Maybe, real soon. Cohen, more than anyone, can bring down the whole house--including, especially Including, Junior and the count daughter. The kids are as sleazy as axle grease and Cohen was the lead person at the Trump Org after theTrumps themselves. He's got the dirt on this scumbag family, who've been dealing with international crooks and money launderers as a regular course of doing business from the get go.
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| Nymr83 Apr 10 2018 04:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well yeah, OJ certainly made for an easier to deal with client.
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| MFS62 Apr 10 2018 07:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rump can't even pardon him for minor State charges. It is not within his powers. So Cohen doesn't have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. And this wasn't a "break in" as Rump said. It was done with a legally obtained warrant. (As others mentioned above) Hey, maybe all the FBI was looking for in his house was the afikomen. Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 07:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I understand that a presidential pardon has no application to state charges, but why can't Trump pardon Cohen for everything else? Is there a rule, or law or precedent against this pardon, or is it your belief that Trump can't?
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| MFS62 Apr 10 2018 08:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not just my belief. Its been repeated several times on various news outlets that his pardon power is limited to only Federal crimes. They are saying it like it has been tested in the courts, but I can't be more specific that that. What "everything else" is there? I guess that would depend on the charge. My mother always wanted me to be a lawyer, but I'm not. And I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. So this is a far as I can go on this one. Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 08:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, that's what I was predicting: that Cohen woid be pardoned for whatever federal charges he'd face.
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| Nymr83 Apr 10 2018 08:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The President definitely can't pardon someone for their state conviction.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2018 08:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Speaking about bothering to read, you should bother to read all of the relevant posts in the thread before you insult other posters, typewriter. "Some old document...." Quoting the condescending scumbag Neil Gorsuch? It figures.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 11 2018 05:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bump.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2018 06:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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See, that's the fucking problem. Only when I retaliate does anyone intervene, and then, only on the heels of my post. That he would go out of his way to insult me based on posts I wrote that he might not have even bothered to read, let alone comprehend, is doubly galling. But that's the way it's always been. Any you wanna know what else? If he's gonna write that the president's lawyer getting raided with a no knock search warrant isn't news worthy of being reported, then I'm gonna call him a loon because while politics isn't personal, some views are simply untenable.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 11 2018 07:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, let's just let this one sink in for a minute....
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| Edgy MD Apr 11 2018 07:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I guess Devin Nunes (publicly threatening to impeach FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein) gets to be the minority leader.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 11 2018 07:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kevin McCarthy, most likely, provided he can hold on to his seat.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Racist and conversion therapy loving homophobe Betsy Devos rolls back Obama protections. Suddenly, it's OK again to issue harsher punishments to African-American students than to their white peers for the same infractions.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2018 07:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You bet. With Florida's governor throwing his hat into that state's Senate race, the pundits are predicting that Florida's senate race will be the most expensive senate race ever. I just hope that the pussy Dems don't concede it like they did the 2016 race.
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| Edgy MD Apr 11 2018 07:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And we're announcing military strikes through Twitter.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 11 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Scott will spend a lot of money, but Nelson can certainly hold on in this environment. Scott's very closely tied to Trump, which could be fatal.
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| d'Kong76 Apr 11 2018 01:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This has been bugging the shit out of me all day. If tweets about the 'missiles are coming' aren't grounds for 'this guy is unfit for office and he must go NOW!!!' then what the hell is? Fucking maniac.
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| MFS62 Apr 11 2018 03:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is letting them know they're coming giving "aid and comfort to the enemy"? That's the definition of Treason, punishable by death. I'm pretty sure he can't pardon himself from a conviction for that. Later
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2018 05:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't stand Trump either, but that's quite a stretch.
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| MFS62 Apr 11 2018 05:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's what my wife said, too. Just my usual hyperbole kicking in again. But we can hope they get him on something big (ok, maybe not a capital offense), can't we? Later
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| cooby Apr 12 2018 09:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Went to county Democratic dinner tonight where my daughter in law was awarded co-Democrat of the year award :). I know the other winner too and they are both very deserving :)
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| DocTee Apr 13 2018 07:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And I recall during the Presidential debates, several times where the President decried Obama-practices where "we told ISIS that we were going to attack them, allowing them to run and hide and fight the next day" rather than strike without warning-- because, you know, protecting innocent lives and using the threat of force as opposed to force itself was undignified...
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| MFS62 Apr 13 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The subject of the reported pee tapes is calling Comey a "Leaker"?
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 13 2018 09:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The harshest critic of Donald Trump is usually.....a clip of Donald Trump at some time in the past either chiding Obama for something he is now doing or saying the exact opposite thing from what he's now doing.
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| metirish Apr 13 2018 10:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Whenever I think things can't get even more unseemly they do.....this is embarrassing.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 13 2018 11:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And things just may get worse.
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| Nymr83 Apr 13 2018 12:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Scooter Libby pardoned today, great timing to avoid it being "news"
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2018 12:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sickening.
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| Nymr83 Apr 13 2018 06:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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so, umm #FakeNews?
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 13 2018 06:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nothing would make me happier, but Rosenstein shouldn't send out any dry cleaning.
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| cooby Apr 13 2018 06:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A-HEM! Forget the White House for five effing minutes!
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| d'Kong76 Apr 13 2018 07:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Non-partisan congrats to them both from Camp d'Kong.
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| MFS62 Apr 13 2018 07:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wow! Missed it and feel bad. You should be very proud. Maybe one day a Presidential thread will be about your daughter. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 13 2018 07:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A toast!
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| cooby Apr 13 2018 07:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 14 2018 08:56 AM |
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Thank you KC. I hate to beg for congrats for my kids but it’s more than that. I live in a recently Red county. I am proud that I know our district House Representative personally. He is retiring this year after countless terms and his son is running to take his place. I know him too. He went to school with my daughter. Mrs Hanna was my supervisor at one bank I worked at and when my daughter had a serious bike accident, she brought flowers to her and visited us as a friend.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 14 2018 05:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Donald J. Trump
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| Edgy MD Apr 14 2018 06:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have to admit, it never occurred to me to give cats to my local representatives. Amazin'.
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| cooby Apr 14 2018 08:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a great icebreaker at Democratic parties
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| MFS62 Apr 15 2018 01:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They'll be safe there. Trump won't be able to grab them. Later
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| cooby Apr 15 2018 03:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, but he'd try. And then brag on it
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| MFS62 Apr 15 2018 04:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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:) Later
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 16 2018 01:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ha! Michael Cohen's third client, besides Trump and Elliott Broidy, the guy who wanted his Playmate girlfriend to keep quiet about her abortion, is..........Sean Hannity!
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| metsmarathon Apr 16 2018 02:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, this promises to be interesting!
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 16 2018 02:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I might actually watch Fox at 9 tonight, just to see the sweat on his upper lip. Wonder what HE got the NDA for.
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| Nymr83 Apr 16 2018 06:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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BWAHAHAHA - hope all the dirt on this dude comes out now (but not through Cohen)
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| Edgy MD Apr 16 2018 06:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It really doesn't have to be anything. You've been opining on Cohen without disclosing your connection to him. That in itself should get you a suspension. (OE: Hannity, not Nymr.)
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 16 2018 07:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Doh
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| MFS62 Apr 17 2018 08:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And, I hears Cohen has been saying he isn't really a lawyer?
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| Edgy MD Apr 17 2018 10:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pennsylvania Congressman Charlie Dent, a Republican critic of the administration, has decided to jump the gun on his retirement at the end of the term, and just resign outright.
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| Nymr83 Apr 17 2018 12:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Stormy Daniels showed up today with a sketch of the person alleged to have threatened her - internet is abuzz with the great resemblance to a known liar, cheater, and deflator of football's - Tom Brady!
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 17 2018 12:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Excellent. Two birds with one stone.
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| SteveJRogers Apr 17 2018 01:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oops! Maybe they should have waited to get at least as much intel that the infamous WMDs had before the air strikes done to push Comey off the front page!
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| Ceetar Apr 17 2018 01:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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they did. zero is as much as zero.
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| Nymr83 Apr 17 2018 04:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fisk has his own agenda too.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 18 2018 09:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Agreed. Fisk was escorted by the regime and only saw what they wanted him to see. So caution is needed here.
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| MFS62 Apr 19 2018 05:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh No!
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 19 2018 05:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I always thought Rudy had a bit of Nosferatu in him.
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| MFS62 Apr 19 2018 06:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nope. While there is a true resemblance, Nosferatu only sucks blood to live.
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| Nymr83 Apr 19 2018 06:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Perhaps this a sign that Trump is ready to be serious about this? Rudy likely won't be a part of the "bash law enforcement strategy"
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 19 2018 06:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those quotes are from Fiorello LaGuardia?
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| Nymr83 Apr 19 2018 07:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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May or may not have been a good mayor, but WORST AIRPORT EVER
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 19 2018 07:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How the fuck does one "negotiate" an end to the investigation? What? Is Rudy gonna offer Mueller all the Nathan's hot dogs he can eat for a year if he wraps things up before all the evidence is in?
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| Edgy MD Apr 20 2018 07:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I thought they were from McCheese.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 20 2018 07:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Quick answer- you don't. Rudy's just saying stuff that makes Trump feel good; and he's happy just to feel relevant again.
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| MFS62 Apr 20 2018 07:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think he has any feelings. Maybe he thinks he has something he can hold over Mueller's head that would make him back off. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 20 2018 11:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Maybe Rudy just reminded him of Ivanka.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 21 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm watching Joy Reid's show on MSNBC. I really like her. But she's got Al Sharpton on as a guest to discuss the 2020 Dem presidential primaries, and him, I don't like. When the hell and how the hell did Sharpton ever get legitimate? How did he get a platform? What a fucking scamming snake oil selling fraud hustler this guy is. He might even be sleazier than Trump.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2018 10:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't like Sharpton either. I still remember the whole Tawana Brawley fiasco, for which he's never come close to apologizing for..
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| Edgy MD Apr 21 2018 11:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're watching a partisan news channel. And to a partisan, your scoundrel is a monster, but our scoundrel is valid.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 21 2018 11:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, no. Even bad people have good insights. John Bolton's right occasionally, too.
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| Edgy MD Apr 21 2018 12:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think we all can and should ask for better than "right occasionally."
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 21 2018 01:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is the alternative just listening to the people that we agree with 100 per cent of the time?
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| Edgy MD Apr 24 2018 06:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope the alternative is listening to people who are serious and thoughtful and honest and faithful and honorable and uncompromised.
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| MFS62 Apr 24 2018 07:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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One allegation I have heard on TV news is that he often drank heavily while on the job. Later
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| metsmarathon Apr 24 2018 07:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you would too if you had to give a physical to donald trump.
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| cooby Apr 25 2018 06:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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When I’m scrolling through the headlines and I see the word Trump I skip right over it. Maybe that’s putting my head in the sand but usually I don’t miss anything important anyway
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| Edgy MD Apr 26 2018 07:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rear Adm. Ronny Jackson withdraws his nomination.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 26 2018 07:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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All those reports of Jackson's tendency to belittle and humiliate the people who work under him... no wonder Trump doesn't see anything wrong with him.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 26 2018 07:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Even before all this, he wasn't remotely qualified to run the VA.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 26 2018 08:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So I wonder which White House aide was delegated the duty of ripping the phone out of his hand?
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| MFS62 Apr 26 2018 08:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But won't that now assign attorney-client privilege to the information the FBI found?
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| Edgy MD Apr 26 2018 08:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Remains to be seen.
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 26 2018 08:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not if there's a criminal act, like a campaign finance law violation. And you can bet there are plenty more criminal acts to go through.
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| Edgy MD Apr 26 2018 09:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I noticed the list of superlatives in the report.
Was this the president, torpedoing his own nominee?
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| Lefty Specialist Apr 26 2018 09:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So the real question is, how did he survive through the Bush 43 and Obama administrations? We know how he survived in the Trump administration; by saying the Donald weighed 239 pounds.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 26 2018 09:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As I understand it, (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) if I commit a crime, I can tell my defense lawyer that I did indeed do it, but he can't then put me on the stand if he knows I'm going to lie. But the attorney-client privilege would be in effect.
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| Edgy MD Apr 26 2018 09:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is true, but we don't really have a timeline of when these incidents are said to have occurred. And he may well have successfully ingratiated himself to those two in other ways. Not yet, anyhow. I imagine the administration isn't in a hurry to conduct a thorough investigation. During the presidential administration of Barack Obama, there were several attempts to reign in sloppy and unprofessional conduct among the first family's Secret Service personnel. It sounds like he ran with that pack. Perhaps he dodged scrutiny because they were more interested in looking at the systemic, institutional issues than at individuals. And as a member of the president's traveling team who was (perhaps) part of that culture, but not part of the Secret Service organization, it might have made it easier to slip through. That's all speculative of course. It's really hard to wreck a car while drunk, if that indeed happened, and escape scrutiny.
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| Ceetar Apr 26 2018 09:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[tweet:us7iipve]https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/989511498681782272[/tweet:us7iipve]
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| Edgy MD Apr 27 2018 07:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sixteen phones and tablets seized from Cohen. Sixteen!
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| Edgy MD Apr 27 2018 01:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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RedState.com froze their site today, locking everybody out of their account until they could complete their mass firing.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2018 08:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/us/p ... tions.html ______________ Well of course Trump doesn't give a shit. That's because he knows that the Russians are gonna ratfuck the 2018 midterms just like they ratfucked the 2016 presidential election. Only this time, they're not gonna waste their time with Facebook. They're gonna go straight for the vote counts, the counts. And Trump's not gonna lift a finger to stop them, because he's in on it.
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| Lefty Specialist May 01 2018 07:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, Mr. Mueller has some questions. I doubt he'll ever get to ask them directly, but it probably doesn't matter.
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| Edgy MD May 01 2018 07:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He should be happy that he knows what's on the test.
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| Fman99 May 01 2018 08:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I almost don't see the point of questioning someone who lies all day, every day, on every topic. He's legitimately the least credible person to ever hold public office.
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| MFS62 May 01 2018 08:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But once under oath, the loose cannon [crossout]may[/crossout] will say something that can be proven false, and that will be grounds for a Federal perjury charge. Later
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| Lefty Specialist May 01 2018 08:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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.......aaaaand that's why he'll never sit down for an interview. His lawyers will use everything short of truncheons and billyclubs to prevent that from happening.
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| Nymr83 May 01 2018 08:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/01/mueller-told-trump-legal-team-presidential-subpoena-could-be-possible-ex-attorney-says.html
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| Edgy MD May 01 2018 09:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not thinking that would qualify as privileged information.
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| Lefty Specialist May 02 2018 09:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mueller's team Does. Not. Leak. All leaks are either coming from witnesses who've been interviewed, or the Trump team itself. There were also numerous spelling errors in the leak the Times first got, which points directly to the Trumpanzees.
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| Edgy MD May 02 2018 10:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ty Cobb resigns. Amazin'.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 02 2018 10:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Maybe they can find an attorney named "Tris Speaker" to replace him.
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| Lefty Specialist May 02 2018 01:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Emmet Flood has an old-timey ring to it. And as Liam Neeson is fond of saying, he has a very particular set of skills.
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| Nymr83 May 02 2018 06:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just hiring him feels like a red flag!
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| MFS62 May 03 2018 06:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He sent a member of his staff to get medical records from his personal physician. If he looks at anyone's medical records but his own, (and the taking of the records) without EACH AND EVERY PATIENT'S PERMISSION is a violation of Federal Law (HIPPA) and that, I believe is a felony. If he did not look at the records, but gave the order to do it, that is conspiracy to commit a felony. Screw impeachment. They've got the smoking gun. LOCK HIM UP!
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| Lefty Specialist May 03 2018 07:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rudy went on Hannity last night to throw Cohen under the bus, but made more damaging revelations. Kind of hard to know what the strategy is right now except blow everything up.
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| Nymr83 May 03 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Giuliani sounded like he was defending a drug dealer
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| MFS62 May 03 2018 09:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ng-a-false
That's the teaser. Read the rest. It goes into details. Later
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| Edgy MD May 03 2018 08:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mayor Giuliani getting destroyed on Twitter.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 03 2018 08:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is it time already for Trump to move on to yet another blundering fool?
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| Edgy MD May 03 2018 09:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Anthony Scaramucci: I was fired after 11 days on the job.
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| Nymr83 May 03 2018 10:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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twitter is occasionally really funny, both for lines like the one above and for the people who try to be funny with it and fail miserably
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| Benjamin Grimm May 04 2018 05:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Fman99 May 04 2018 08:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Iowa governor signs a state law banning any abortion where a fetal heartbeat is detected, usually around the 6 week mark. This will be the one that gets kicked up to the high courts, I reckon. Planned Parenthood has already indicated that they will sue if the law is put into effect.
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| Nymr83 May 04 2018 08:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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PP would sue if you banned shooting a baby in the face on its way out of the womb that so their intentions hardly say anything.
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| metsmarathon May 04 2018 08:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I....I’m pretty sure that’s not true.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 04 2018 08:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But if someone did do that, the NRA would pretend it didn't happen and Paul Ryan would offer "thoughts and prayers" and say that nothing else could be done.
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| Nymr83 May 04 2018 09:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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the NRA would also sue, defending the right to shoot anything, anywhere, anytime
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| Lefty Specialist May 05 2018 05:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And to arm terrorists.
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| Edgy MD May 07 2018 03:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Arms smuggler and failed Senate candidate Oliver North, new president of the NRA.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 07 2018 05:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's probably because of his cold dead hands.
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| Nymr83 May 07 2018 06:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Will Schneiderman be suing his own office now?
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| Nymr83 May 07 2018 09:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Schneiderman denies the accusation but resigns the same day they become public - yeah, sure you didn't do it.
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| Lefty Specialist May 08 2018 05:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Takes a lot to shock me these days, but well, this qualifies.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket May 08 2018 06:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sounds like he was a heavy drinker too. Jerk.
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| Fman99 May 08 2018 07:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Orrin Hatch can just fuck off. He should have input on whose funeral the Cheeto is or is not invited to?
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| metsmarathon May 08 2018 07:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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how to be a good man, by orrin hatch:
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| Edgy MD May 08 2018 09:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd like to state for the record that I do not want President Trump invited to my funeral, whatever Senator Hatch's opinion might be.
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| Mets Willets Point May 08 2018 09:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A skill developed at home by simply knowing his father.
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| Nymr83 May 08 2018 11:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd like to state for the record that I plan to outlive him by many years, rendering the question moot.
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| Frayed Knot May 08 2018 12:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Whichever one it actually was.
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| Nymr83 May 08 2018 04:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In the Indiana primaries, a candidate accuses his opponent of no longer living in Indiana with an amusing DR Seuss parody
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| Edgy MD May 09 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Senator Hatch backs off of publicly shaming a dying man over who he does and doesn't want at his funeral.
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| Nymr83 May 09 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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3 Americans coming home from North Korea, Trump has done more than Obama did to "earn" the Nobel Peace prize, but I guess that is like comparing to Rafael Palmiero's last Gold Glove
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| batmagadanleadoff May 09 2018 08:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're crazy.
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| metsmarathon May 09 2018 08:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's funny that trump is getting all the credit for the IOC scheduling the winter games in PyeongChang.
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| Edgy MD May 09 2018 08:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hostages came home during the Obama presidency also. Released hostages doesn't equal peace. Hostages certainly shouldn't be used to score political points.
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| MFS62 May 09 2018 08:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder when the Trump hotel will be opening in Oslo. Later
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| Lefty Specialist May 09 2018 09:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump has done more to raise worldwide tensions than any American president since......well any American president, period.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket May 09 2018 09:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Beyond all that Trump is bullshitting again suggesting Obama failed to release 2 hostages who hadn't even been arrested in his tenure. Trump is deserving of the Nobel Asswipe Award
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| d'Kong76 May 09 2018 09:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And just in case people don't know it, BP sez this guy has one filthy cutter.
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| Lefty Specialist May 09 2018 09:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can't be any worse than Hansel Robles or Jason Vargas.
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| Edgy MD May 09 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mitch McConnell gets a little frisky.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 09 2018 12:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is that a cloud of cocaine around McConnell?
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| Edgy MD May 09 2018 12:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's my read.
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| A Boy Named Seo May 14 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"When Donald Trump makes a promise, he keeps it" is picking up steam lately, isn't it? I feel like that's gonna be nauseatingly present as his marketing guys try to get that everywhere ahead of Trump 2020.
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| Lefty Specialist May 14 2018 12:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, well. Let's see how Great America is in 2020. He'll have 38% of the population and Fox News in his corner.
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| Ceetar May 14 2018 01:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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still waiting for the first one myself.
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| Lefty Specialist May 15 2018 08:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Submitted without comment.
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| cooby May 19 2018 02:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have always enjoyed spy novels, murder mysteries, stuff about the morbid, etc.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Our National nightmare continues.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-pat ... n-montana/ It's all OK. Really. Because this scumbag racist administration makes self deprecating yanny/laurel videos where they're all so cute. So everything's OK. Here's another funny video. So cute. [youtube]c9EcItHSvxU[/youtube]
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 11:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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We all know you like to use 41 for your personal punching bag but
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| Ceetar May 21 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not yet. ripped violent from their families, and/or put in 'camps' on military bases though? yeah. We're about 7 steps past partisan here into straight up evil. At this point, if I saw an ICE agent do anything I feel it'd be my civic duty to disrupt whatever that was. Even if it was ordering fucking Starbucks.
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 11:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I stand by my post, especially the punching bag part. I'm not getting sucked
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I disagree with your point, which is knee-jerk and so cliche. There are countless similarities between Hitler and Trump, so many and so fucking frightening that I'd be here all day typing them if I started to. Those similarities aren't diminished just because Trump hasn't committed genocide. And 41 deserves it, trying to soften and normalize these bastards. Ask him what he thinks about American citizens being detained against their will for speaking spanish by a GOP enabled crooked administration.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bullshit. He posts that I'm not worthy of engagement and lies that others here told him not to post to me. And over Betsy DeVos. He claims that I posted personal info about him but when I prove otherwise, indisputably, you delete my posts. This reminds me of when SS called my mother a c*nt and a whore and you and Edgy then rushed to my defense.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 12:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Trump may not get to kill 12 million but what do you think's gonna happen now that he pushed Obamacare into a death spiral? What the hell do you think happens when people can't get their meds ?
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 12:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Talk about knee-jerk, you're like an online time bomb. I'm sorry for
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| Ceetar May 21 2018 12:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A vocal group of people literally values the murder weapon over the murdered and for some reason we're letting have a say, so death by government failure is way too amorphous for people to focus on. Hell, America's all gung-ho on the troops and we still sent them off to die for political reasons without body armor under Bush's bumbling watch.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 12:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Do whatever you want. You do anyway and you've had it in for me from day one. You suspended me for posting about the way a catcher cocks his wrist but SS has permission to call my mother a c*nt and a whore so nothing you do would surprise me. Then you wonder why I act out. And 41f and the punching bag argument is also bs . Read my post. It had nothing to do with him. I responded to that sickening video.
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Once again, thank you for your revisionist slant on me.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 03:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Our National Nightmare, Part II. Gorsuch pays off again as SCOTUS bans class actions in forced arbitration agreements. An enormous blow to workers. But maybe this'll motivate all the stupid working stiffs in Michigan to vote the GOP bums out between this decision and their ignoramus belief that Trump was gonna bring back their $50/hr. factory jobs. Suckers. Instead, Chinese jobs are coming back because our foreign policy is for sale. At least a Dem congress can fix this decision. Not like Citizens United, which was imbued with the constitutional right of free speech and so any legislation designed to nullify Citizens would itself be deemed unconstitutional. It's not always so easy to nullify a SCOTUS decision as it is, a law. But hey, Jill Stein!
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 03:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Our National Nightmare, Part III
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 08:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Are you watching The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC right now? Lawrence is my favorite, because his hatred for Trump is so powerful, so pronounced, so visceral, that it gushes out of every well crafted sentence the man speaks. Anyway, Jill Wine-Banks is a guest. She was a Watergate prosecutor and a regular contributor on MSNBC. You know what she just did? (Wait for it. I'm so prescient!) She just compared Trump to Adolf Hitler --- and then demonstrated offense at the anticipated knee jerk reactions that are sure to come from those who will challenge this spot on comparison. Hitler moved incrementally, just like Trump. The panel discussion then segued into the Nuremberg trials. Take note of what's happened just in the past few days. The corrupt sale of our foreign policy to bail out Trump's banana republic appointee, Jared. Siccing the postmaster on Jeff Bezos because Trump doesn't like the WaPo coverage he's getting. Meddling with an active DOJ investigation to conceal the president's crimes and to undermine Mueller's special investigation.
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 08:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, I'm watching MSNBC. Look, I get that you hate me and have for a decade.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 08:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know what you mean except whaddya want from me? You're in total denial about the horrible way you've treated me here, from day one.
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| d'Kong76 May 21 2018 09:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't want anything from you.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 21 2018 09:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nomar is allowed to write posts where he calls me every vile curse in the book ten times over with impunity, but it's my responses that get red lit and I'm the one you suspend, for posting about wrist cocking no less. Youse are so biased against me that when I explain to Grimm that Nomar had also had it in for me from day one and was up my ass every fucking day until I finally decided I'd had enough and gave it back, Grimm then reasons that I'm nuts because I have a 10 year grudge against him. The fix against me is so in, that Grimm can't possibly see that it's him who has a 10 year grudge against me.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 22 2018 04:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't suppose it's reasonable to expect an irrational person to rationally assess how irrational he's been.
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| Lefty Specialist May 22 2018 07:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Donald J. Trump
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| Fman99 May 22 2018 08:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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#fakenews #sad
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| cooby May 22 2018 09:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Noticed that too, about Zvon
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| batmagadanleadoff May 22 2018 10:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It was one riff. It was the c*nt club for Mets. There were eight of them. It was contained in one thread. Anybody else writes those posts and a laughfest ensues with merriment and wine and song and dance. And if Lunchie were to write those c*nt clubs, forget about it, Edgy's humiliating himself to ingratiate himself to Lunchie. You singled me out. There was never a problem when Lunchie called Trump a c*nt or Sarah Palin a c*nt or made jokes about why nobody names their kids Adolf or c*nty anymore, just like there was never a problem when anybody else made Trump jokes in the baseball forum, but when I did it, three threads were started and Nomar called for my banning. But I'm the nut and also, I'm imagining things for thinking that I'm treated differently. Suspended, on top of that. You're so full of it. Nobody could have it in for me from day one, sez you, but at the same time, I have a 10 year grudge against Nomar. Not him against me.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 22 2018 10:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And of course, I get suspended for some jokes where a Clint Hurdle baseball card calls a Claudell Washington baseball card a c*nt. But SS calls my mother a c*nt and a whore, with extreme malice, and the mods don't notice that vile disgusting post. Yeah, right. I'm imagining things when I say I'm treated unfairly. Why would I ever imagine, in a million years, that I'd get suspended for writing those humorous c*nt club posts when you establish, by precedent, that it's OK for one forum member to call another forum member's mother a c*nt and a whore?
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| Benjamin Grimm May 22 2018 10:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As I expected, you continue to be irrational.
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| metsmarathon May 22 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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holy shit, man. put the keyboard down and walk away.
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| Centerfield May 22 2018 12:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Who is SS?
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| d'Kong76 May 22 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm guessing Second Spitter, the guy from down under. He had other handles too
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| SteveJRogers May 22 2018 03:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Actually I think it was Namor. Mags is probably using "SS" as in Nazi Schutzstaffeln officials.
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| Nymr83 May 22 2018 05:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If so, please give him another well deserved ban.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 22 2018 05:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're wrong. Kong's right.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 22 2018 05:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You should get a ban for all the times you.called me a motherfucker, but Grimm'll just say I'm irrational. You can call my mother a c*nt but if I make a joke about a Clint Hurdle baseball card calling a Claudell Washington baseball card a c*nt, and then complain about the unjustness of me getting suspended, I'm irrational. Yeah right, whatever.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 22 2018 06:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Here's how this all started. I can't pan that disgusting video of this crooked Nazi like administration without Kong up my ass and turning my post into some imagined personal attack on 41f. I would've wrote the same post no matter who wrote the original yanny laurel Trump post with the vile video. But Kong's always up my ass and then acts like he's my BFF and never ever wrote a single mean post to me. Then they red light my cock wrist posts and make me out to be a madman when I complain.
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| cooby May 22 2018 06:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If I may intercede, batmags, I am sure your mother is a wonderful woman. I think you lost your own way and I hope you can find your way back :/
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| SteveJRogers May 23 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My mistake.
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| MFS62 May 23 2018 08:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That got my curiosity going, so I looked in the name guide thread in the Permanent links. Didn't notice him, or any aliases. (aliai?) Slipped through the cracks or did it miss it? Later
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| Ashie62 May 23 2018 01:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Punk has not been responsible for the decline of western civilization, Twitter is
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| Ceetar May 23 2018 01:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you misspelled 'gop'
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| 41Forever May 23 2018 02:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's certainly disappointing or to see how it has evolved -- or devolved. So many bots and so much hate speech.
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| Fman99 May 23 2018 06:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well I'm no pundit but this seems like a big deal to me.
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| MFS62 May 23 2018 07:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Follow the money, Mr. Mueller. They're all going down. Later
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| Lefty Specialist May 24 2018 06:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm more interested in what the 'Taxi King' of New York has to say. This guy was looking at 125 years in prison; now he's flipped and is only getting probation!
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| Lefty Specialist May 24 2018 08:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump pulls out of the North Korea summit.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 24 2018 09:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think they were designed to work as tokens in peep show booths.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 24 2018 09:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lotsa experts are saying that Kushner finally getting his top level security clearance means he's gotta be off the hook in Mueller's investigation, because Kushner would never have been cleared if he was a potential target, the thinking goes.
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| MFS62 May 24 2018 10:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Jared getting a Security Clearance was a shocker.
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| Edgy MD May 24 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cohen isn't part of the White House staff.
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| Nymr83 May 24 2018 12:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Generic Ballot is trending Republican this week as the Democrats' lead is averaging something like 3.5 points according to realclearpolitics - down from the low teens weeks and months ago - and that is among registered, not likely, voters. once you adjust for likely voters, the Republicans innate advantages in low population states, and Republicans greater success in the gerrymandering battle, it wouldnt be a stretch to say that if those numbers held the republicans would be favored to keep the House.
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| MFS62 May 24 2018 12:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But he is closer to him for a longer period of time than any of the WH staff. And if that happens, I believe Cohen will suddenly come up with some testimony (and maybe some hard evidence) that will the final nails in Donald's coffin. He has been involved in all his business and many of his personal dealings. He has stuff that would result in Donald spending a lot of time looking at striped sunlight. And where he'd be going, he'd be sleeping with one eye open. This wasn't all about security. It was about being dirty. Later
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| Benjamin Grimm May 24 2018 12:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't begin to count all of the "final nails" and proclamations that the Trump presidency is nearing the end, yet he continues. I think it's quite likely that he'll remain in office for his four years.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 24 2018 12:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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At least four years. And if he's ever voted out, or removed, or forced to give up the presidency against his wishes, he's going to drag the country into one of its ugliest and darkest moments ever.
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| Ceetar May 24 2018 12:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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only because the media will drag us there because it'll be good for ratings. I'd like to say this idiot should go the way of Mccarthy, Eugenics, or Japanese internment camps where they're basically ignored, but there's an argument to be made that not confronting our own evil history helped him get elected and that we shouldn't ignore it going forward either.
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| Lefty Specialist May 24 2018 02:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The generic ballot is pretty meaningless. It's 435 individual races that matter. And given how much Democrats have been outperforming in special elections so far, I'm fairly optimistic about taking back the House. The Senate is a much tougher lift.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 24 2018 05:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Nymr83 May 25 2018 10:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Brilliant strategy by Trump to keep his on again off again meetings with Kim in the news like some celebrity relationship - it beats more news about Russia!
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| Mets Willets Point May 25 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, "brilliant" and "strategy." Not at all the vacillations of a egotistical dumbfuck who's in way over his head.
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| Lefty Specialist May 25 2018 05:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fortunately Bob Mueller and his team are too busy to watch the news much.
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| MFS62 May 28 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 29 2018 08:37 AM |
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He gave the commencement speech at the US Naval Academy.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket May 29 2018 07:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... to-get-him
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| Lefty Specialist May 29 2018 09:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ponnuru's as conservative as it gets, which make that article pretty funny. The perpetrator he's looking for has a name that rhymes with 'rump'.
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| batmagadanleadoff May 31 2018 01:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Prison reform policy expert who spent most of her formative years in libraries, honing her intellect and scholarship, meets with the President to discuss ... prison reform. Did I ever tell you what a shitshow we're living in? But why not? If a know-nothing crackpot like Betsy Devos can be the Secretary of Education, anything goes. Next week, Uncle Fester's gonna be named the Surgeon General.
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| MFS62 May 31 2018 03:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They make good bookends. And all the books they have ever read are right there on the desk in front of them. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2018 09:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think I'd feel more secure if she was sitting in that seat instead of him.
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| Nymr83 Jun 01 2018 09:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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UNEMPLOYMENT AT AN 18 YEAR LOW!
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 01 2018 10:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And whenever the unemployment would drop during the Obama years, the conservative-bias media would always point out that it was because people were giving up and leaving the workforce. I suppose that angle is no longer a factor, that all of the people who gave up a few years ago now have jobs?
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| Edgy MD Jun 01 2018 10:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's not liberal bias. That's really bad. It's just hard to appreciate in the fog of all the really, really bad. But it's really bad. And unemployment being down shouldn't be an occasion for any president to take a victory lap. And yes, labor force participation has steadily dropped since the onset of The Great Recession, and that's a number we all might want to be concerned with.  It's fluctuated between 62.7 and 63.0 since April of 2014.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 01 2018 10:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those numbers are a state secret for important reasons. It's just another example
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2018 10:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If he's not taking a victory lap, he's improperly moving the markets so that his wealthy cronies could make even more money. Probably both.
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| 41Forever Jun 01 2018 10:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 01 2018 01:01 PM |
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Back in the previous job, our experts on this -- the Bureau of Labor Market Information -- always told us that the falling labor force participation rate was largely the result of Baby Boomers retiring. My parents, retired and in their 1970s, count as not participating in the labor force. It's not a list of people who are reluctantly not participating. "The Silver Tsunami" is going to boost in the number of jobs being open, too. That's a factor in the 6.5 million unfilled jobs that we hear about, especially in the professional trades. Unemployment rate is a pretty complex formula that a lot of people misunderstand. It's actually a survey. This is more than you want to know, but I thought it was pretty eye-opening when our economists explained it to me. You'll never look at the unemployment rate the same way again. [url]https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2018 11:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, yes, this is a big deal. That's the kind of info that moves markets. No other president was ever stupid or corrupt enough to blab before the numbers were official. I wonder how many of his friends knew the night before, and got their positions in the markets lined up. It's just another instance of shrugging off things that used to be unthinkable. That's the real damage Trump has done and continues to do to this country.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump himself is greedy enough to have gotten his positions in before the numbers were announced. Well, the Dems might not take back the Senate in November, but if they take back the House, they'll be investigating this crook, his cronies and his fucked up cabinet for two years running. And the first thing they'll probably do is to get his financials, including of course, his tax returns. And then we'll really get to see what it's like when this orange psychopath loses his temper.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 01 2018 01:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm betting Bob Mueller has his tax returns, and those of Michael Cohen and Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort and others as well.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2018 01:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Either chamber could get Trump's tax returns in a simple procedure that doesn't require suing him. They could even make his returns public, although that is, admittedly, much more difficult. Also, I think a Dem controlled House will get Trump's financial statements so they can determine if he's investing in ways that are unethical or even illegal. The Dem controlled House is gonna torture Trump until his head explodes 10 ways over. Junior, too.
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| metsmarathon Jun 03 2018 08:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why would trump need to pardon himself if he didn’t break any laws?
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| Nymr83 Jun 03 2018 09:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why would you take out life insurance if you are perfectly healthy? the law is often in the eye of the beholder - or the jury, or the politically-motivated prosecutor. If Trump broke the law then the answer is obvious, but if Trump did something that was "borderline" or unethical but not illegal, a pardon would prevent anyone from coming after him and there would be no downside to him personally to do so on his way out the door - say in a lame duck period following a lost election
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| Edgy MD Jun 04 2018 07:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Guiliani Show every weekend is a bizarre spectacle.
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| metsmarathon Jun 04 2018 07:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i mean, it could be that. though if that were truly the case, you'd think that some prior president, like maybe perhaps richard nixon, would have investigated the issue in the preceding 230 years. you know, just to cover his own ass. or, possibly, this is the most corrupt, most criminal regime ever to disgrace our nation.
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| Nymr83 Jun 04 2018 08:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Presidents try new unconstitutional expansions of their power all the time, i was explaining why he'd do it, not that i agree he can.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 04 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Expansions of power are one thing. Saying you are essentially above the law is quite another. That's what dictators and autocrats say.
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| Edgy MD Jun 04 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The goofy part is how Giuliani raises the stakes. HE CAN'T INDICT THE PRESIDENT! HE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAND IN A REPORT ON THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS AND THAT'S IT!
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| 41Forever Jun 04 2018 09:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Confused by this CNBC story about the Supreme Court ruling today.
Is 7-2 a narrow victory on the court, especially when two of the liberal members join with the conservative ones? I wonder if they had this written, assuming a 5-4 vote, and posted before taking out all the "narrowly" references. Just commenting on the story here, not the issue.
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| Edgy MD Jun 04 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, I wouldn't call a 7-2 victory narrow, but perhaps it can be called narrow in the sense that the decision was perhaps written narrowly enough so as to not represent a sweeping endorsement of the broad application of the rights that were being contested in the case.
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| Vic Sage Jun 04 2018 09:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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that's the only sense in which it can reasonably be called a "narrow" decision, but the headline and subhead are therefore misleading. It wasn't a "narrow victory"; it was an overwhelming victory, even though the issue was narrowly construed by the court so as to limit its effect.
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| 41Forever Jun 04 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's an interesting interpretation -- the Supremes overwhelmingly defined the issue narrowly. Here's what Politico did.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 10:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2018 10:28 AM |
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The ACLU doesn't pan the decision.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 10:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Nymr83 Jun 04 2018 11:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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the law wasnt thrown out and the opinion itself can easily be read by the lower courts (who will need to use this as precedent) as a narrow censure of the colorado commission on their handling of this matter. i'd call this a public relations victory for the christian right, but a tie in terms of legal precedent being set.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 12:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In his concurring opinion, Neil Gorsuch went about as far right as possible, writing that the baker has an absolute and unlimited right to refuse to bake a cake to a gay person. Scary not only in his thinking but that this is the kind of judge that Trump will appoint, again, should he get the chance with a GOP majority Senate in place.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 04 2018 12:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's being set up is a right to discriminate on religious grounds. The real test is when they refuse to bake a cake for a Jewish couple or a Muslim couple or a mixed-race couple or a couple who's already been divorced, or a woman who had an abortion or any one of a number of things that religious Christian people could take umbrage at.
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| metsmarathon Jun 04 2018 12:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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maybe they shouldn't bake cakes for serial adulterers, blasphemers, thieves, con artists, scammers, molesters, rapists, racists, and conspirators. and maybe they shouldn't vote for them either.
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| 41Forever Jun 04 2018 01:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm a religious Christian person and I don't take umbrage at any of those things. In fact, I think we have people in our congregation who fit in those categories. Heck, I'm related to people in several of those categories. I'm also looking out the window the church next door with a large rainbow flag and banner reading "God is Love." We're not bad people, I promise.
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| seawolf17 Jun 04 2018 02:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I will never, ever, ever understand the [crossout:13dtkqu2]equivocation[/crossout:13dtkqu2] false equivalence between religion, which is unquestionably a conscious human decision, and sexuality, which is unquestionably not. One trumps the other. Every. Single. Time.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 02:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'll take that a step further. I can't comprehend how a religious law can ever trump a secular law when the two laws can't be reconciled. To me, it's barbaric and retrograde, when that happens. A person has the right to believe in whatever they want to believe in. But I dont see how, for example , a person can use their religious beliefs to prevent someone from buying a cake from a business that needs a government license to operate, or to deny someone their birth control.
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| seawolf17 Jun 04 2018 02:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Exactly. And that's what drives me crazy about this shit.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 02:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Damn right. Today, it's cakes and birth control pills. Tomorrow it'll be dry cleaning and asthma inhalers.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 03:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cruz ahead of O'Rourke 50-39 in latest Texas Senate race poll. Between that, McCain holding onto his seat past May 30, thus ensuring that the GOP will keep that seat till at least 2020, and the overall brutal Senate map for Dems, it's not looking so good for the Dems to regain the Senate this Fall.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 04 2018 07:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But you're a tolerant Christian. I don't paint all Christians with a single brush. Hell, I'm technically a Christian myself (I survived 12 years of Catholic school). But there are an incredible number of INtolerant Christians. In fact there are whole organizations of intolerant Christians. They funded this trip to the Supreme Court, which is generally pricey for a baker's salary. If all Christians were as tolerant as Jesus was, we wouldn't be having these problems. 'God is Love' is wonderful, but too many subscribe to a vengeful angry God who got twisted into what people wanted him to be. I know those kind of people; some wouldn't speak to me for marrying a Jewish woman. I moved on; life's too short. But if you're gay, you may not have that luxury. This Supreme Court left the issue open. If a Kennedy is replaced by a Gorsuch clone in a future court, it could be open season on gay people's rights in the name of 'religious freedom'. And if they get a victory there, they'll keep going. It's similar to how they chipped away at the right to choose. Roe v. Wade is still the law, but you wouldn't know it in 75% of the country. (not that I want to get into a debate on abortion)
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 04 2018 07:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They basically have to pull an inside straight. Hold all 26 of their seats and pick off 2 of the 8 Republican seats. They've got a real shot in Nevada and Arizona, an outside shot in Tennessee. Beto's a good candidate and Cruz is an asshole. But Texas isn't ready to turn yet; part of the problem is horrendous registration and turnout numbers among Latinos. Until that changes, they'll keep electing Republicans.
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| Edgy MD Jun 04 2018 07:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't understand the use of "equivocation" here.
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| Nymr83 Jun 04 2018 08:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I am sure the baker is equally unable to understand why people would want to force him to perform a service that he doesn't want to perform.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2018 08:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Tough luck on him, if this world was right. Are we supposed to feel sorry for that baker? What next? Sympathy for the gas station attendant who doesn't want to gas up the jew's car? Or for the cable TV company that doesn't wanna hook up the transgender's apartment?
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| Fman99 Jun 05 2018 04:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bestowing a business owner the right to refuse service to anyone based on their personal lifestyle choices is wrong. And the Supreme Court, in ruling so, is also wrong. It's really that simple.
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| Edgy MD Jun 05 2018 04:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Manafort, apparently caught witness tampering.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 05 2018 05:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The best people
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 05 2018 06:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's why the pardon machine is warming up. Manafort's going to get his, so there better be some state charges in the works that Trump can't pardon him for.
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| 41Forever Jun 05 2018 06:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It seems like a bad business decision. In a free marketplace, people -- like me -- who disagree with the baker's stance will decide to take their business elsewhere. If enough people feel that way, he'll either have to A) change his stance to meet the expectations of his customers, or B) Go out of business.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2018 06:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, but I'm sure there are many who will choose his bakery because of his position. Hopefully they'll be heavily outnumbered by those who will shun him, but I'm not so sure of that.
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| seawolf17 Jun 05 2018 06:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, you're right. Wrong word. Editing.
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| seawolf17 Jun 05 2018 07:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Also the whole "left is intolerant" angle is a strawman argument. Being intolerant of intolerance is normal and logical. Saying "I shouldn't have to serve you because of some core fiber of your very existence and humanity (blackness, queerness, whatever) upsets my consciously held belief system" is a load of hooey.
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 11:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not "I shouldn't have to serve you", it is "you are welcome to order anything in the store that I already make or anything I want to use my cake baking talents to make"
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2018 11:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not a baker, but I am an atheist. But if I was a baker, and someone came into my store asking for a Jesus cake, I'd have no objection at all. Why would I? Baking that cake won't make me have to start going to church on Sunday. Just like baking a cake for a gay wedding doesn't mean the baker has to marry a dude.
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| Fman99 Jun 05 2018 11:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not about the message, I disagree. It's wholly and totally about who you are serving. Would you forgive that jackass in Kentucky who wouldn't issue same sex marriage licenses, because it violated her personal beliefs? Guess what. If you can't do your job because your hyper-rigid personal standards don't allow you to treat everyone the same way, you should find a new line of work. Customer 1 comes in and places an order. You accept it. Customer 2 comes in and does the same. You don't agree with their lifestyle and you use the product you create or service you deliver as an excuse to not serve them. It's wrong. It should be illegal, too, if not for the fact that the SC is more about being another partisan party than an impartial interpreter of law.
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 11:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Surely you understand the concept of an EXAMPLE... Would you bake me a cake of a graphic sex scene with your wife? Think of whatever offends you personally and then tell me that you think the government should be able to come into your store and FORCE you to make it, because that is what this comes down to.
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| Edgy MD Jun 05 2018 11:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My guess would be because you might feel your right to free speech is compromised if you are asked to write something you object to. If you can't think of an allegedly Christian message you might object to, I can certainly think of one or two I might. And then there are plenty of other messages I'd imagine I'd feel compromised by if asked to write on a cake. This has a lot of precedent. Printers have long reserved the right to not print material they object to, and good, because if what they print is libelous, they are exposed to liability along with the author and publisher. Internet hosts have recently come to light as they refuse to host awful BS news outlets like Stormwatch.
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 11:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Another intolerant liberal attitude! You cant work anymore in your own private business if you wony so things our way! The clerk shouldn't hold that job. There is a big difference between a person with official government duties to carry out and a private actor. There are also no personal services/artistic license at issue - what the clerk does is the equivalent of the baker selling a premade cupcake on the shelf to anyone who walks in.
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| Centerfield Jun 05 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What type of terrible cake was this baker asked to bake?
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In his mind (not mine) it celebrated the terrible sin of gay marriage
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2018 12:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It never got that far. As soon as the baker learned that the cake was to celebrate a gay wedding, he refused.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More bullshit. And who gets to decide what the message is? Not the baker. One customer asks for a cake with the inscription "Happy Birthday, Dick and Dan". That cake's to celebrate the birthday of his twin 10 year olds, Dick and Dan. Another customer wants the same exact cake with the same exact inscription. That cake's to celebrate the wedding anniversary of Dick and Dan, gay lovers. Another customer orders a cake with the inscription "To November 9th, the greatest day in history." That cake is to celebrate his heterosexual wedding anniversary. Another customer wants the same cake. He's a neo-Nazi and wants a cake to celebrate Kristallnacht. So who decides what the message is? You tell me. Because the baker did the same exact thing when he made the Dick and Dan cakes and when he made the November 9 cakes.
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| Fman99 Jun 05 2018 01:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not a private business. It's a public business and he's refusing someone, in the public, a service that he'd otherwise perform for straight people. How is it anything besides discrimination?
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 02:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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McConnell made official today that the senate gets to work this August, just like the rest of us! Good.
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 02:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You have a strange definition of public. He owns it. It is private. Though I suppose in the minds of the left the state should own everything. Perhaps that is the source of the confusion.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2018 02:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That baker isn't some starving artist operating out of a living room converted into a studio. He's operating as an LLC and so needs government permission to do that. He's operating out of a store open to the public, and so he needs all kinds of business licenses that only the government can provide. He's selling food so he needs to demonstrate to the government that he's trained in food handling. His store must be made available to public inspectors to ensure that the premises are safe for the public. His business is about as private as the air that you breathe.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2018 02:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think your confusing this with the notion of public vs. privately held companies. The Mets, for example, though they're privately held, can't refuse selling a customer a ticket because she's a lesbian, or because she intends to abort the two month old fetus she's carrying.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 05 2018 04:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I still can't believe this went to the Supreme Court.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 05 2018 04:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Because there are laws preventing a business, even a privately held business from discriminating on the basis of several grounds, including race and religion, if that business is open to the public. These laws are known as public accommodation laws. But in many states , those accommodation laws don't apply to discrimination based on sex.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 05 2018 05:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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At the end of the day, it is still just about a cake. A cake! Years from now
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| MFS62 Jun 05 2018 07:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cake or death?
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| Fman99 Jun 05 2018 07:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's twice you did that. This is not about me being a "liberal" or on the "left." This is about basic human rights. It's about not being discriminated against. I don't think the state should own this guy's business. My idea of a public business is one where you open your doors to the public and court their business, to make money, to pay your bills. In that scenario, you shouldn't get to cherry pick who you serve and who you don't, based on what they do in their beds at their houses. Any more than you should be able to refuse them service based on the color of their skin. I'm not saddened by this jackass in Colorado. He's a narrow minded oaf and his heart is full of hate, same as anyone who acts like him. I'm saddened by the Supreme Court's inability to define right and wrong, in a legal sense. Stop worrying so much about what party I'm registered to, this has nothing to do with any of that.
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| Nymr83 Jun 05 2018 08:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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hard to make this one up - the leading candidate in the Montana Republican Senate primary? Russ FAGG
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 06 2018 04:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I stand corrected, a little bit. Colorado's Public Accommodation laws do in fact prevent against sex or gender based discrimination. The baker claimed that Colorado's Public Accommodation laws violated his free speech rights.
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| Edgy MD Jun 06 2018 07:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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“In the middle of a scandal featuring collusion with the Russian state, Manafort seems to have relied on an asset of Russian intelligence to abet a plot to tamper with a witness.â€
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| Nymr83 Jun 06 2018 08:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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LOL
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| Edgy MD Jun 06 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, people in my feed keep telling me to "give him time to drain the swamp," even as his own swampy, swampy administration aides, as well as aides from Congressional leadership are flying out the door to get jobs as high end lobbyists.
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| Nymr83 Jun 06 2018 11:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He never set what he was going to fill the swamp with once he drained it. Out with the Alligators, in with the Crocodiles!
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| Ceetar Jun 06 2018 12:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' to disadvantaged minorities that means exactly the opposite of how it's used.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 06 2018 01:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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'Draining the Swamp' is ridiculous on its face. The Obama administration was the least corrupt in memory. There wasn't a swamp to drain in the first place. The Trump Administration seems to have massive corruption as a price for entry.
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| 41Forever Jun 06 2018 08:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A person could argue that his first Secretary of State ran into a bit of a problem, several times, including one that involved his second Attorney General and seems to be an ongoing concern. A person also could argue that his first Attorney General caused a bit of a stir for a gun-walking operation that led to being held in contempt of Congress. The gray area, my friends. None of our presidents are all perfect, none of them are all bad.
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| Vic Sage Jun 06 2018 08:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you're half right.
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| MFS62 Jun 07 2018 06:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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From my friend in Canada:
Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2018 07:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I said that knowing that Hillary'd be the first one coming. Not even close. Republicans tried but couldn't make anything stick, because there was nothing there. But thanks for playing. And the gun-walking operation started in the Bush Administration. There's not enough bandwidth here to sum up the corruption of this cabinet. And don't complain about 'her e-mails' when the president refuses to get a secure phone because it'd make it too hard to tweet. None of our presidents are perfect. But this one is testing the limits of how bad things can get.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2018 07:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But hey, it gets better! D-Day is example of America's 'strong relationship with German government', Trump State Department spokeswoman says
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| MFS62 Jun 07 2018 08:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Donald rode the short bus to school. Later
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| Nymr83 Jun 07 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Please stop insulting the short bus.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2018 09:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, it depends on what 'strong relationship' means. As someone who's visited the bunkers overlooking the Normandy beaches, I'd say it was probably not the best choice of words.
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| 41Forever Jun 07 2018 10:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I recognize -- and can appreciate -- your partisan passion. But I think a reasonable person can argue that not only did it stick, but, as the auditor's report is expected to show, it is starting to involve and stick to an expanding group of people.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2018 10:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The point isn't really to smear Obama or Hillary. The post is simply a pretext to declare that Trump is a nice guy who should be absolved of everything, Everything EVERYTHING because he's good to his count daughter Ivanka and that clearly overshadows everything else this scumbag does. Next thing you know, Adolf Hitler'll be a good guy because nobody's all bad and after all, Hitler was kind to Eva Braun.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2018 11:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sigh. Just because something 'sticks' doesn't mean there actually anything to it. Benghazi 'stuck' in the absence of any real evidence. The 'Hillary is holding children as sex slaves in the basement of a DC pizzeria' stuck, too. You might recall there was a whole FBI investigation into this, and while she was chided, she was not charged. The auditors should have a fine time with this crew. Scott Pruitt alone could keep dozens of them busy. Two have already resigned because of their cartoonish corruption. And one of them (National Security Adviser Flynn) has already pled guilty. The Attorney General lied to Congress about talking to the Russians. The Treasury secretary took a government plane to watch the eclipse. The Commerce Secretary was the vice-chairman of the top Russian money-laundering bank. The interior Secretary likes flying military craft to Montana for the weekends. The HUD Secretary bought a $31,000 table just for the hell of it. And every week there's something new. This is just the lying and corruption, not even taking in the damage they've done to the mission of their departments. I even left out Betsy DeVos, because I hear she's from Michigan. Stuff like this didn't happen in the Obama administration.
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| Edgy MD Jun 07 2018 01:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just the revelations of Tuesday alone would have been an embarrassing term for any president.
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| Vic Sage Jun 07 2018 01:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's the constant resorting to false equivalencies that most irritates. Yes, some of them are, indeed, all bad. We get daily evidence of that.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 07 2018 01:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Most days, hourly!
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2018 02:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes this smacks of willful overlooking of what an incompetent un-American creep you elected. He dictated a false statement to throw off investigators of willingly conspiring with foreign actors to influence the election, denied doing it, then admitted that too was a lie. No presidents are perfect. Give me a fucking break.
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| 41Forever Jun 07 2018 02:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're missing the context. LS issued a challenge, complete with "I'll wait" after saying that there were no Obama Cabinet members affected by scandal. The point was that not even Obama had a perfect administration.
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| Ceetar Jun 07 2018 02:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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he said that "comes close" to anything these clowns have done. A made up partisan scandal for political game is nowhere near the same caliber.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2018 02:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah I guess I did but geez. There's never been anything like the contempt for truth and justice we're seeing with this sick and immoral administration and the irresponsibility of people explaining it away by telling themselves, "well other presidents did bad things too." Nobody in the history of the United States, for example, has ever taken a bigger dump on the 1st amendment than this fraud you have in office. And if "any other president" did, I'd demand they resign too. And that's only one thing. Look at Edgy's "Tuesday" post. How do you support this?
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 07 2018 02:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My exact words were:
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 07 2018 02:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I dont know why we even bother. He has zero credibility. He voted for Trump knowing about all of the sexual misconduct charges leveled against him and can't say a single speck of a bad thing about any of that. But then he has the goddamn audacity to post here that Al Franken should resign. What else do you need to know?
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| Edgy MD Jun 07 2018 04:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More Tuesday: [list][*]The president's spokeswoman was utterly at a loss to explain her insistence that the president had no part in drafting the bogus explanation of the president's son meeting with a foreign operative in pursuit of dirt on his father's opponent, despite the fact that the entire press corps believed the reporting to be accurate, only to be thrown under the bus, first by the president's fake TV-spin lawyer, and then by the president himself. (Sorry about the run-on.)[/*:m] [*]Scott Pruitt, his EPA chairman that he praises coming and going, already under investigation for multiple abuses of the authority of his office, is alleged to have used his office to try and secure a Chick-Fil-A franchise for his wife.[/*:m] [*]Broad reporting that the death toll related to Hurricane Maria — a hurricane that led him to do a victory lap after doing virtually nothing and letting unqualified and understaffed FEMA executives fake it on the fly (and hand out sweetheart contracts) — was grossly miscounted, and may have been a total comparable to Katrina and 9/11 put together.[/*:m] [*]More reporting of young children being maliciously taken from their parents and thrown in kiddy detention centers, a policy cooked up in response to his constant pressure for his bullied DHS secretary to adopt a "shock and awe" doctrine on immigration. He lyingly blames some un-named "Democratic" law.[/*:m][/list:u] Tuesday. And that's just the stuff we know about.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 10 2018 06:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| MFS62 Jun 10 2018 06:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Because of the time zone difference between here and Singapore, the first thing I'm going to wonder about when I wake up tomorrow is, "Are we at war?"
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| Edgy MD Jun 10 2018 08:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Accidental truth-telling on FOX News:
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 11 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Holy moley -- I've been in line with this guy's viewpoint for so long. Can we put him in charge of the Democratic party? And California?
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| Edgy MD Jun 11 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What kind of con is going on?
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 11 2018 10:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/587316002
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| seawolf17 Jun 11 2018 11:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's so good to know that we're paying the guy who has to tape our fucking idiot president's ripped-up papers back together more than I make.
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| Vic Sage Jun 11 2018 11:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you work in education; why would that pay as well as Trumpian paper-taping?
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| Ceetar Jun 11 2018 11:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In my experience caring for the elderly and mentally infirm is not particularly lucrative.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 11 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Who the hell talks about other world leaders like this? We do, now...
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 11 2018 11:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The con is that this meeting won't really do anything. He didn't take any nuclear weapons experts with him, so there was never going to be any real negotiating. He'll just say it was a great meeting and talks will continue, while proclaiming it the geatest breakthrough in the history of breakthroughs. Since they'll have nothing to talk about, they'll spend most of the 5 hours showing each other pictures of their family; Kim will show the uncle whose head he blew off with a piece of artillery, and Trump will show him Ivanka holding that jackhammer between her legs. And three months from now it'll leak that nothing really happened. But we'll be on to the next outrage and all will be forgotten.
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| Edgy MD Jun 11 2018 12:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, I don't expect it to do anything, but:
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| Nymr83 Jun 11 2018 03:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think it is a con at all. Trump believes he is the great negotiator who will succeed where others failed. but more pragmatically, even if nothing really happens, its free positive PR for Trump. Whatever assurances the South and Japan needed have I'm sure been made privately. As for Kim, he has no need to con his own people. Starvation and guns handle any dissent. He gets to raise his prestige immensely just by being seen in photographs with Trump and travelling freely to Singapore.
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| Vic Sage Jun 11 2018 03:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i'm a big fan of the word "cahoots".
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| Edgy MD Jun 11 2018 07:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's a con.
I think history has many examples to suggest this isn't as ironclad as all that. Propaganda is a huge part of the North Korean regime's game.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 12 2018 06:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, apparently not. The South Koreans were taken by surprise that The Donald decided to end the US-South Korean joint exercises, or as Trump referred to them , 'War Games'. In return he received some mumbled sunshine promises about maybe someday kinda denuclearizing somehow, maybe. He got played by Kim, who he gushed over and is treating better than the leader of fricking Canada, our neighbor and staunchest ally. He really is fascinated by dictators.
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| metirish Jun 12 2018 07:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Peak CNN last night , the absolute spectacle of Dennis Rodman crying when talking about this friend KJU
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| Nymr83 Jun 12 2018 08:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Clinton "got played" by Kim's father. Whether Trump has been played too remains to be seen.
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| Nymr83 Jun 12 2018 08:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Rodman might beat out a crowded field for "weirdest retired athlete"
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 12 2018 08:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fun fact: the 1994 agreement froze North Korea's nuclear program for 8 years, until 2002. It was revived after George W. Bush's 2002 State of the Union speech declaring North Korea as part of the 'Axis of Evil'.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 12 2018 08:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So Trump did his best to smash apart the G-7, from wanting Russia to be a part of it again, to saying Justin Trudeau 'stabbed us in the back' once he was safely on Air Force One. Putin's return on investment is skyrocketing.
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| Mets Willets Point Jun 12 2018 08:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They're in cahoots.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 12 2018 01:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Gee, not only was South Korea blindsided, so was the Pentagon. So much winning!
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 12 2018 02:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Chinese Foreign Ministry announced that Trump would suspend US war games with South Korea before Trump announced it himself at the press briefing. That suggests Kim’s people were on the phone to Beijing straight after the meeting cos they recognized how big a concession it was.
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| cooby Jun 12 2018 05:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know, I was driving down the street today to buy milk and bread for my grandkids (ours all went bad) and people were out mowing, swimming, walking their dogs, helping kids ride bikes or whatnot, and I thought ‘on this beautiful day something bad could happen somewhere and I wouldn’t even know it’.
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| cooby Jun 12 2018 05:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Then I thought ‘ what a selfish whitebread way to be’
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2018 08:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, this is pretty funny:
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| Nymr83 Jun 13 2018 01:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2018 01:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cohen reportedly getting ready to flip
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 13 2018 01:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Conflicting reports on this. He fired his lawyers, so something's up, but he hasn't flipped yet. I'm buying popcorn futures, though.
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| Edgy MD Jun 13 2018 02:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"When your lawyer needs a lawyer, you're going to need a lawyer." — S. Colbert
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 14 2018 06:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Want to work at the White House? Come to our Job Fair!
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| Edgy MD Jun 14 2018 07:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Reports have spokespersons Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Raj Shah preparing to depart in coming months.
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| Ceetar Jun 14 2018 07:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Also: Half of Congress.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 14 2018 07:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Only at the price of, you know, your soul.
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| Edgy MD Jun 14 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No way, man. I work on my own terms.
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| Ceetar Jun 14 2018 08:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How long do you think you go with having press conferences just like Sanders but also leaking roughly everything you hear or are told to a few select reporters?
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| Edgy MD Jun 14 2018 08:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not two-faced. I will spill publickly. I think roughly an hour into the first press conference, he will have gotten wind of my act and thugs will be escorting me to the curb. I would leave the podium and make my comments from the middle of the room, forcing the thugs to trample reporters to get to me, but get to me they would.
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| MFS62 Jun 14 2018 08:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested Later
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 14 2018 09:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 14 2018 11:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, you'll pull an Omarosa!
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 14 2018 11:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pulling an Omorosa sounds like something that has you out of the lineup day-to-day until you eventually go on the DL for six weeks.
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| Vic Sage Jun 15 2018 08:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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is that what Cespedes pulled? I knew he pulled something, besides the wool over Sandy's eyes.
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| MFS62 Jun 15 2018 08:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Our Dicktator said he likes the way Kim's people sit up and listen when he speaks and wants "my people" to do the same.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 15 2018 08:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I heard a clip of Bob Corker talking on NPR the other day. I could have sworn I was listening to Don Knotts.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 15 2018 11:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lock him up!
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| Edgy MD Jun 15 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not that 100% of his comments today on the White House lawn weren't bullshit, but this one got me.
How old do you have to be to have a child who died in the Korean War? At least 100, right? How many super-centenarians is he hanging out with?
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 15 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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100, at least, if those Korea vets went in as young as possible and were born to teenage parents. Closer to 110, 115 is more likely. That's one of Trump's most reliable bullshits ---- " lotsa people told me".
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 15 2018 12:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Lots of people are telling me"
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| Centerfield Jun 15 2018 01:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I really do sit back sometimes and wonder how this Trump presidency will be viewed later on.
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| Edgy MD Jun 15 2018 01:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I assume you mean most atrocious act by a president in US history. And I'll further assume you mean the arbitrary detention of Asian-Americans.
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| Ceetar Jun 15 2018 01:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Isn't there recent evidence that Nixon prolonged the Vietnam war for campaign reasons too?
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| Centerfield Jun 15 2018 01:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes and yes. Act by a president and the internment. Waging war, one could argue, is heinous in itself. What stands out about the internment is that the president did this to his own people. But you know, holding children in prison camps so you can use them to get Democrats to pass tougher immigration laws is pretty bad too. Holy fuck. We should all be ashamed.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 15 2018 02:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lots of Presidents have done bad things. Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus. Reagan had Iran-Contra and negotiated to release the Iranian hostages behind Jimmy Carter's back. Washington brutally put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Adams had the Sedition Act that made it a crime to criticize the president. Harding was the most corrupt pre-Trump president. Andrew Johnson and Ulysses Grant were raging drunkards. The list is endless.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 17 2018 12:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Does anybody here that voted for Trump still support Trump?
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| Fman99 Jun 17 2018 08:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What a despicable man, to use this kind of practice as a bargaining chip to get Dems to pay for his dumb wall. How terrible this all is.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They all lie through their teeth blaming Democrats for this. The cruelty here is a feature, not a bug. They announced the policy change with glee.
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| MFS62 Jun 18 2018 08:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This handout tells the parents how they can locate their children, but not how to reunite with them. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/b ... index.html Have we lost our soul as a nation? Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2018 08:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those running the nation have lost their soul. The people haven't........yet.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 18 2018 08:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| d'Kong76 Jun 18 2018 08:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hate blanket statements about the nation's soul or whatever. I haven't
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| metirish Jun 18 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have been rewatching The Roosevelts on PBS over the last 10 days, finished Friday night. Excellent doc from Ken Burns.....
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| MFS62 Jun 18 2018 08:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes. That's a better way to have put it. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2018 09:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.â€
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| Edgy MD Jun 18 2018 09:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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We only had one voter declared for Trump to begin with: http://archives.thecranepool.net/24800/f2_t24899.shtml
So all our digital ink spilled is pretty close to choir preaching.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 18 2018 09:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If the Dems are gonna take back the House this fall, they're gonna have to overcome all those extremely gerrymandered districts. Because the SCOTUS just issued its partisan gerrymandering ruling, and it sidesteps the whole issue, unanimously ruling that the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 18 2018 09:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder if Kennedy'll still be on the court when the issue returns?
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| Vic Sage Jun 18 2018 10:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Looking back at this thread, that was one of my better pieces of writing on this website, and i still stand behind it 100%
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 18 2018 10:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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One of the people in that thread later said he voted Trump because he was assaulted by Hispanic people
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| seawolf17 Jun 18 2018 10:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just read it and was going to comment that exact thing. You were/are spot on.
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| Edgy MD Jun 18 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, or at least implied it. "Guess who I'm voting for," or the like. I wonder if it played out that way. I mice elf was assaulted once by a black dude, and I've been writing in "Jefferson Davis" ever since.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2018 11:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The bobble-heads on Fox News said that they weren't putting kids in cages, they merely built walls out of chain-link fence. Oh, and it's all the democrats' fault. Because Trump can do no wrong.
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| Edgy MD Jun 18 2018 01:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The ceilings too, it seems. [video]https://www.facebook.com/kwtxnews10/videos/10156553381825742/[/video] Fuck me.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 18 2018 01:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So who do we talk to in France about returning the Statue of Liberty?
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| d'Kong76 Jun 18 2018 01:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wouldn't ask either of you to say who that was, but I don't remember this. Maybe he'll come forward and explain that one and what he meant exactly.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 18 2018 01:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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With the price of copper, he'd probably just melt it down.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't care how tough you are, how hardened you are by life, how cynical you are about mankind.
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| Ceetar Jun 19 2018 07:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those are rage tears. I've I wasn't married with kids and responsibilities (and way away from the border I guess) I feel like I'd want to be out in the streets storming one of these damn camps. don't just abolish ICE, actively prosecute those agents. Same with TSA. I want revolution. I want real aggressive and radical change. (And I kind of always have, which is why I wasn't really enamored with Clinton either) Fling open the gates. As Elsa from Frozen would say "We're never closing them again". Eliminate political parties, money in politics, and lifetime appointments for judges, retroactively. The court's the real troublesome one. I guess instead of trying to de-seat some of those justices, you could expand the courts to have more justices and get fair people in there, if/when sane people take over the government again.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 08:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. All those holier than thou Jill Stein voters, or "they all suck, I'm not voting" people helped get us child internment camps. And a worldwide trade war. And a fracturing of the western alliance. And the abandonment of constitutional norms.
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| MFS62 Jun 19 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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We have not learned: https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ed-parents On a lighter political note, someone edited the wikipedia page of the town where my daughter lives to say that my fifteen year old granddaughter is the town's Second Selectman (equivalent to Deputy Mayor). But we are aghast because they listed her as a Republican. Later
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| Ceetar Jun 19 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm constantly seeing examples of how this sort of stuff isn't in fact, new. I'm not asking for perfect. I'm asking to actively fix things. to make things better. I'd say let's not bail out the boat and forget to fix the leak. There's not reason to crucify Stein/non voters. This implies that the status quo was okay, but Obama being a pretty good president pulled the wool over our eyes. It tricked people into thinking "ugh, fine, whatever. it's hard to make real change so we'll just fix it if he messes things up" and that maybe they'd nudge the country more conservative but not direly so (And yes, mostly nothing would change for them at all). This is the problem with the two-party system. If you don't like the one candidate, you're unmotivated to care at all until things are on fire. Now things are on fire and we're going to try to put it out but like, we're not going to anything to prevent the next one? What's going on with immigrants right now is merely a horrific extension of an already bad philosophy where we do things like turn away Jews during WW2 and lock up Americans that look different. I just saw a tweet of newspaper ads from 150 years ago of freed black slaves looking for the rest of their family. All the garbage we did with native american relocation. the answer to the current situation is absolutely not making sure we detain refugees together as a family. We need real solutions. real change.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 09:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm here to crucify Jill Stein voters. The stakes were too damn high. A vacancy on the Supreme Court, a swing seat no less, and about a hundred lower court seats to fill, all stolen from Obama. Please.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not surprised. Checks and balances don't work without cooperation from all sides, all branches of government. Germany had a constitution and checks and balances, too. Republicans have been gaming the system for decades, shattering norms. The Merrick Garland blockade, for example, as loathsome as you may think it was, was constitutionally permissible.
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| Ceetar Jun 19 2018 10:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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still angers me that the democrats didn't fight back on that. I would've kept nominating progressively more liberal judges every month as they refused, repeatedly asking them to vote on it, right up until election time, while making a big deal about how they were impeding government operation. I don't know if that would've spurred any more voters up in swing states, but I bet it would've.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 10:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Those migrant children being swept up at our borders and then cruelly separated from their parents -- here's what they should do to protect themselves: when the authorities ask them their age, they should say they're fetuses. Because Republicans will never harm a fucking fetus. Not even an immigrant frtus.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 11:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's a big part of the problem. Democrats usually bring a knife to a gun fight. They've been playing by the rules while Republicans have stretched and broken them. And been rewarded for it, as in the Garland fiasco. Schumer isn't tough enough to lead Democrats against the likes of Trump, who eats constitutional norms for breakfast. I want a real fighter, not someone who's weighed down and has one arm tied behind his back (and is an old pal of Trump's from back in the day). Democrats can't fight against Republicans, so we as voters have to do our best to wipe them out/make them irrelevant. Only then will we get some serious shit done in this country.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 11:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And from the Department of Bad Timing:
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| Ceetar Jun 19 2018 11:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, that makes it easier for them to prosecute us for it right?
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| seawolf17 Jun 19 2018 12:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I believe that makes it just a matter of time before we get "liberated" by a more logical country somewhere, yes.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 19 2018 01:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Harmed me some fetus about thirty years ago when I was a young Republican. Damn fetus was just inconvenient at the time, didn't deserve to be born. Haunts me to this day, I feel like a murderer. I am a selfish, irresponsible murderer.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 01:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You were pregnant?
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| d'Kong76 Jun 19 2018 01:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As my blood pressure returns to normal, haunts me every day is a gross
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| d'Kong76 Jun 19 2018 01:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, I was a woman years ago. Pre-internet.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 01:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| d'Kong76 Jun 19 2018 01:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, you have no clue what I mean. And my Tues afternoon dance card it full.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 19 2018 01:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why would you talk them out of it? Like it's any of your business in the first place. It's the most profound decision they'll ever get to make. And what do you hope science will clear up?
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| d'Kong76 Jun 19 2018 01:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I said, 'If they asked." Read, instead of attack.
That an abortion is the killing of a baby, a human being. It's how I feel, it shouldn't matter to you since it doesn't affect how I vote.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 02:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm rooting for a Canadian invasion. Then I wouldn't have to go so far for Tim Horton's.
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| Nymr83 Jun 19 2018 03:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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the UN is a cesspool of corruption, anti-semitism, and anti-american bias and the "human rights" council is among it's worst organs. withdrawing from the "human rights" council run by the world's greatest human rights abusers is a good thing.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 19 2018 05:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Please. This is about sucking up to the Israelis. Nothing more, nothing less. Obama (or both Bushes, Clinton and Reagan) wouldn't have done this because he understood that the US was a moral leader. Trump laughs at moral leadership.
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| Nymr83 Jun 19 2018 06:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There is nothing "moral" about what goes on at the UN. The UN is probably the only building in America with less of a grip on morality than the Trump White House. Glad to be disassociated with that bullshit and i wish we would cut off all funding and kick them out too.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 20 2018 07:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is evil. It has to stop. But apparently the White House is gleeful at the coverage, because they think that by manufacturing this crisis people will now come crawling to him to let him build his wall just to make this end.
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 07:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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gonna need to cite sources on that. Either way, Trump does not know what morality is, has literally no compassion or care, and is bordering on being one of the worst human beings of the century. Things people say about him as jokes or exaggerations turn out to be understatements. About the only good thing about him is that he's probably not strangling hookers in the White House and burying them in the lawn, but that's because he lacks the grip strength to strangle something harder than a Big Mac and probably doesn't know how a shovel even works.
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| Nymr83 Jun 20 2018 08:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Slander!
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 08:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, he thinks it requires a mexican to operate. The guy is afraid of stairs and probably lacks the strength to pick up a shovel that's bigger than a mcNugget.
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| Edgy MD Jun 20 2018 09:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Massive protests are planned for June 30 (not soon enough) and cities across the country.
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Personally I think we're beyond protests. I think we're up to "storm these camps and release these children"
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| Nymr83 Jun 20 2018 09:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Blaming the agencies enforcing the law instead of the assholes making it is the road to anarchy. What is being done is lawful, change that.
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 09:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[crossout]We shouldn't have to make laws to literally rip nursing children away from their mother.[/crossout] But in a country where not very long ago it against the rules for black people to sit at the front of the bus, maybe it is necessary. The people enforcing the mandate are in a job that shouldn't exist, a job that's strictly a cruel one. We should stop paying them to be cruel. And beyond that, it's a perversion of the law to not be working towards at the very least sending parents and children to the same place at the same time. With no plan in place to follow that law, it's kidnapping. arrest them. they're bad people.
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| Edgy MD Jun 20 2018 09:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know what makes you say that, but no, they are not enforcing the law. This should be screamingly obvious. They are committing gross violations of human rights. They are doing it capriciously and as a matter of policy, not law. And laws that have been proposed to stop them have been blocked. I'm very happy to blame the agencies. The rationale administration officials have stated publicly—that such a practice will deter undocumented immigrants from seeking asylum at the border—appears to be so patently unconstitutional that the government’s own lawyers have renounced it in court. It is in fealty to this same Constitution that federal employees take their oaths. So they are in violation of those same oaths. It should also go without saying that this policy is an offense to international laws and treaties — treaties that our nation has entered into freely and of our own will.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 20 2018 10:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He's a goofball. And don't forget: nobody's all bad. So this is all okay.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 20 2018 10:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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CNBC is reporting that an executive order is being drafted and will be
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 20 2018 10:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Long time GOP strategist and John McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt officially quits "vile" Republican party. Slams, among others, "corrupt" Ivanka.
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| Vic Sage Jun 20 2018 11:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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everyday i wake up and think, well we've hit bottom, but everyday Trump proves me wrong. I blame myself for a lack of imagination.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 20 2018 11:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As Ronnie Raygun said, "Trust, but verify." If he jails families together, that'll violate a 1997 consent decree and it'll be in the courts. Then he can blame activist judges. Understand that crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor, not a felony. In other venues, people rarely go to jail and get separated from their children for misdemeanor offenses. In the past, they were processed and released with a hearing date (which unlike Trump saying 3% show up for, the reality is more like 70-80%). What this also shows is that despite saying he couldn't end this, he could have all along. Just another cowpie on Bullshit Mountain. And yes, he'll be giving a speech tonight in front of an all-white audience, so expect racist dog-whistles to abound. Take a drink for every MS-13 reference.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 20 2018 01:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Starburst diplomacy!
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| d'Kong76 Jun 20 2018 01:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'll stop reporting any news in this thread going forward. Ya'll are well informed enough without me chiming in with what I thought was a glimmer of progress in this horrific time in American history.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 20 2018 01:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It can get a lot worse. Tomorrow we'll take a look at that goofball Adolf Hitler and his goofy Nazis, for comparison.
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 01:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is such bullshit... i can't even think of the term for it. toxic masculinity? dick waving? He probably saw something similar in some garbage corporate rah rah video about how 'winners' behave. Anyway, it looks like the proposed executive order is not actually an order to _stop_ separating families but one to codify it and surround it in 'legal' wrapping that make it more permanent. There's some chatter that he's basically selling them to US extremists. And since this process would temporarily reunite the families before he ripped them apart 'legally' it's also a PR stunt. But it's nice that most of the media didn't bother digging in a little bit, and just reported Trump's propaganda. Oh, and there are also reports that they're drugging some of the kids. And hiring convicted sex offenders.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 20 2018 02:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Basically, he's replaced ripping families apart and incarcerating them separately with incarcerating them together.
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| Ceetar Jun 20 2018 02:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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the executive order says they should prioritize and expedite these cases. so you know, arrest the parents and take custody of the kid anyway.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 20 2018 05:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Problem is that nobody really thought this through. They don't have the facilities to house these families together. There's no apparent mechanism to reunite the 2300 kids they've already separated from their parents. There's still not enough Border people to process the asylum requests or the judges to hear the cases. This is going to be a rolling cluster; it's not done yet.
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| Fman99 Jun 20 2018 06:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I agree with all of this. I feel, also, that term limits for Congressmen and Senators might allow more people to stand up for what's right, instead of trying to preserve their 27th-28th years sitting in the House or Senate.
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| Nymr83 Jun 21 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Term limits are good for everyone. Except politicians.
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| Edgy MD Jun 21 2018 10:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I disagree. I think it asks the rules to do what we have no courage to do: elect men and women of honor and forsake those of dishonor. And if we allow the rules to do this for us, babies will be tossed with bathwater. If we resent our elected officials, we have to a better and better job as an electorate.
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| Ceetar Jun 21 2018 11:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Imagine that? How great that would be. Then other groups might feel compelled to branch off as well, and maybe we'd actually have multiple parties that might actually represent the electorate in real ways. And maybe if one small group of Nazis were destroying the world, there wouldn't be this self-enriching benefit to blindly supporting them.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 21 2018 11:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Do you (and everyone) know the origin of that expression? It's kinda funny.
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| 41Forever Jun 21 2018 11:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Assuming this is accurate -- because, you, know, Internet -- the origin and subsequent meanings was way different than what I expected. Caution: some nasty terms in there. [url]https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dont-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater.html
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 21 2018 12:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More important than term limits is a full prohibition on former members of congress becoming lobbyists. We already have term limits- they're called 'elections'. And on-line buyers should pay sales taxes. That's been an unfair advantage for on-line vs. brick & mortar stores.
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| Zvon Jun 21 2018 02:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[tweet:359mou3i]https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/1009899463811350528[/tweet:359mou3i]
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2018 02:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[youtube:fb4dl4mr]hldpKNEOuYk[/youtube:fb4dl4mr]
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 22 2018 02:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're like one post away from telling us that Trump's making the trains run on time, aren't you, my friend?
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 25 2018 06:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I know a retired teacher on Long Island who worked at a school run by nuns there. This school would take at-risk boys (and only boys) from the NYC school system, give them a safe environment and a good education. There are dorms for the kids and they get some much-needed structure in their life. They take elementary age kids who had a chaotic/dangerous home life, and their success rate has been pretty good. It's a small kind of under-the-radar thing.
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| MFS62 Jun 26 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Supreme Court just voted 5-4 to uphold the travel ban.
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| MFS62 Jun 26 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And another 5-4 decision, this one about women's rights to information:
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 26 2018 09:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Good thing we only have a few more decades of impactful, retrograde federal court decisions at every level.
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| Fman99 Jun 26 2018 09:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lifetime appointments for judges whose decisions are all utterly predictable based on their partisan tendencies, irregardless of what the laws actually state. WELL THAT'S JUST GREAT.
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| Ceetar Jun 26 2018 09:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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if this country is going to go anywhere good, this needs to end, soon.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 26 2018 10:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Worse, now there are rumors that Clarence Thomas might retire. If Trump gets to replace him, most of the press will call it a draw, as Trump will presumably nominate a radically conservative judge to replace another. I'd call bullshit on that analysis, as Thomas's replacement will surely be 20-25 years younger, and it will take even longer to shift the ideology (by conventional means) of an increasingly arch conservative and further entrenched high court. Yesterday, the SCOTUS delivered another outrageous decision (5-4, natch), upholding Texas's obviously racially gerrymandered district lines. I've been following that case for years, going back to the Obama administration, figuring that no open-minded unbiased justice could possibly uphold those lines based on the lower courts' finding of facts. The decision was so bad that the Washington Post wrote in its headline sized font what many people already know - that, flat out, the Supreme Court is rigged.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... 4d843c1d85 Read here for a more in depth treatment of the case, if you're interested: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... s-act.html The Dems need to pack the court the first chance they get. If they don't have the stomach to do that, then they deserve what they're gonna get -- an onslaught of retrograde decisions that will undo a lifetiime of progress.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 26 2018 10:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I knew this would happen all along. I knew that all those lower court decisions striking the ban, or parts of it, were just placeholders. In the end, the Supreme Court decides everything.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 26 2018 11:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This was also worded in such a way that'll make it hard to overturn state laws that force real doctors to read a state-provided script which lies to their patients about the 'perils' of abortion which don't exist, which was the flip side of this.
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| Nymr83 Jun 26 2018 03:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Compelled speech blows. I wonder how the libs would have voted if there was a state statute requiring a liberal org to advise people of their second amendment rights and available gun training programs.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 26 2018 06:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Democrats Need to Pack the Supreme Court the Next Chance they Get
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... -libe.html
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| Nymr83 Jun 26 2018 06:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As I used to live in Staten Island I still hear about whats going on there - a close Republican primary between incumbent Dan Donovan and the former occupant of the seat, convicted felon Grimm - crazy enough that he'd have the balls to run again, but to primary his own party? Republicans shooting themselves in the foot here
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2018 06:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You can't pack the Supreme Court. Roosevelt tried 80 years ago and failed.
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| Edgy MD Jun 27 2018 06:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I kind of like Crowley, but he lobbied for Democratic support for the 2005 bankruptcy bill that was one of the ugliest pieces of special interest legislation out there, protecting banks over individuals, chaining tens of millions to debt for decades, paving the way for the financial crisis that followed.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2018 07:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a majority-minority district and about as blue as it gets. For all intents and purposes, the general election was yesterday. Crowley vastly outspent her, but she out-organized him. She'll have no problem winning in November.
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| Ceetar Jun 27 2018 07:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i know Queens doesn't represent all of America/Democrats (but it's quite diverse!) but you'd hope they'd take this stuff to heart. Because young diverse 'bernie bros' were preaching this anti-establishment stuff in 2016 and the democrats did everything they could to sabotage that. If we're keeping two parties, the democrats are going to resemble this young woman whether it takes 20 years for them to age to be the majority of the party (and possibly be resistant to the more progressive young'uns just being born today and alienating them in turn), or the establishment realizes it and wants to take control now.
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| Nymr83 Jun 27 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would love to see a candidate like that in a swing district because the Republicans would crush them like a grape. but the far left socialists so far seems to have run their candidates (or just lucked out as to which primary races they win) in deep blue areas that they can't lose in November. The far right tea party crowd wasn't so smart a few years ago when such "luminaries" as Richard Mourdock managed to win a primary for the senate in a purple state and cost the party a chance at a seat.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course you can pack the Supreme Court. You simply legislate it. There's no rule, let alone a constitutional provision, setting the # of justices. And FDR didn't really fail. He threatened to pack the court out of fear that the court wouldn't go along with his New Deal policies. The threat caused J. Roberts to vote with FDR so that FDR wouldn't follow through on packing the court. And even if FDR did fail there, you're still allowed to pack the court. It's a hardball move, obviously, but these are desperate times. The GOP forfeited the moral high ground long ago. It wasnt just the outrageous Garland blockade. Don't forget-- they also killed the SCOTUS filibuster to confirm Gorsuch, the only way that radical judge gets on the bench. When I first posted about packing the court a few months ago, I wasnt thinking big enough, posting that the Dems would need a unified filibuster proof Senate majority. Screw that. They should kill the filibus6ter and then pack the court. And give Puerto Rico and DC statehood. That's four more Democratic senators. Or wait 50 years when, maybe, they can replace Gorsuch and whoever else gets on the bench under Trump.
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| Ceetar Jun 27 2018 09:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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disagree, hard. I bet running a candidate like that increases voter turnout, which is what you want in a swing spot. Isn't one of the criticisms of 2016 is that Hillary didn't get enough democrats to come out in swing states? They weren't motivated enough to vote against a potential threat. So are republicans going to blind-rage enough against a candidate like that and turn out, or is it going to be drowned out by the people actually enthused by a candidate?
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2018 09:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Agree with statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Do you think the atrocity of the response after Hurricane Maria would have happened if Puerto Rico had two senators and five Congressmen?
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2018 09:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think DC should be a state. I think it should instead be absorbed into the state of Maryland.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 09:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think you'd need a Constitutional amendment for Maryland to absorb DC. But granting DC statehood is simply legislation.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2018 10:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Doesn't the Constitution specify that there has to be a capital district that's not within the borders of any state?
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| Nymr83 Jun 27 2018 10:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Puerto Ricans themselves have not embraced statehood - I think its been a 1/3 split between Statehood/Independence/Status Quo every time they do the referendum.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 10:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes. The way around this is to create a state out of the residential and commercial DC districts, leaving undisturbed, the Federal district, which would remain the nation's capital.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 10:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They can also split California in half, or thirds. Or even sixths. Do you think the framers and founders ever imagined demographics where one state (like Wyoming) would have a population of under a million while a state like California would have almost 40 million residents? And they each get the same number of senators? You need a constitutional amendment for states to absorb each other, but not to split or divide.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2018 11:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If you took a vote now I think Puerto Ricans might have a different view. DC statehood would require a Constitutional amendment approved by 38 states (not likely in this hyperpartisan era) but making a territory like Puerto Rico a state only requires simple majorities in each chamber of congress. It's how every other state was admitted to the union.
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| d'Kong76 Jun 27 2018 12:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Another Justice is retiring! Oops, forgot, no news reporting in the Pi18 thread for me.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 12:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's Kennedy. Which means Roe v Wade is a dead man walking. But hey -- Jill Stein!
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| Edgy MD Jun 27 2018 12:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No Supreme Court appointments in an impeachment year! LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!!
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 12:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And that gerrymandering case the court punted on last week .... I know how the issue's gonna be decided the next time the SCOTUS hears it.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 27 2018 12:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Probably inevitable, but it still sucks. Mitch will have his replacement seated in no time after Donnie selects from the Heritage Foundation menu of horrible judges.
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| Ceetar Jun 27 2018 01:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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At this point the Democrats should see if they can push them to nominate the absolute worst judge, and then find grounds to oust him.
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| Nymr83 Jun 27 2018 01:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not against PR statehood at all, i'm just saying the citizens arent realyl strongly for it per previous attempts, i'd be all for seeing if they changed their minds
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| Edgy MD Jun 27 2018 01:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Puerto Rico is definitely being treated as a state in my imaginary National Baseball Cup, in which 50 teams representing each of the states, plus another 14 representing territories, districts, armed services and more compete in a November battle royale to see which American microcosm will be the standard-bearer for the great American game.
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| MFS62 Jun 27 2018 07:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course they did. That's why the House of Representatives was based on population. It was meant to balance the Senate. Later
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| Nymr83 Jun 27 2018 09:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The 1790 census (the first conducted under constitutional mandate) shows Virginia with a population ten times larger than 3 states and roughly the same size as the 8 smallest states combined. The founders knew exactly what they were doing because Virginia and Pennsylvania never would have signed up without larger representation in the House and the smaller states never would have agreed to anything without equal representation in the Senate. this concludes American History 101.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2018 10:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think it's extremely misleading to argue that because the population of 1790 Virginia was roughly 10x that of the then smaller states, and that this ratio is more or less the same as the present ratio between large and small states, that our Congress and by extension, the electoral college, works about as well now as it did 200 years ago,
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2018 06:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Exactly correct. That's how they split the difference between big and small states. And for the most part it's worked.
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| MFS62 Jun 28 2018 06:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/ ... 35/photo/1
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2018 06:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 08:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lotsa liberal hand-wringing and outrage out there over Kennedy's retirement and the possible consequences. I think it's all a day late and a dollar short. The time for action was on Election Day.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2018 09:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can't look back. Have to deal in the here and now. Taking the Senate back is even more important now.
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| metsmarathon Jun 28 2018 09:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i'd suggest that the ball is in meuller's court, but you just know that even if the outcome of that investigation were to come out today, as a blistering indictment of trump and his entire campaign team in a bevy of terrible crimes against the state and humanity, mcconnell would push any impeachment procedings until after he'd first had a chance to confirm trump's scotus nominee, no matter how long it took. because he's a fucking scumbag.
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| Nymr83 Jun 28 2018 09:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They wouldn't need to do anything of the sort. With Trump out of the way, President Pence would give you another Clarence Thomas.
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| seawolf17 Jun 28 2018 09:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Impeachment has no bearing on SCOTUS, really, because then Pence gets to nominate Reverend Pious McChristian to the court. I guess it takes a little longer, though.
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| Nymr83 Jun 28 2018 09:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Jinx! yeah, that is what i'm saying. with Trump, you have a chance get a pro-business moderate-conservative in the vein of Roberts - with Pence you are getting the furthest right justice on the court and likely specifically someone with personal beliefs hostile to abortion rather than just someone who legal belief is that the constitution doesnt explicitly protect it - big difference.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 09:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course!!! But Kennedy's seat will be filled before the midterms.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not only that, but Kennedy's replacement will think that the president is above the law and can terminate Mueller,'s investigation as a matter of right.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 09:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If by impeachment, youse really mean removal, that's a fantasy. I'm beginning to believe that Trump really could shoot somebody down on 5th Avenue with total impunity.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 10:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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.... by a radical arch conservative. It'll be a small miracle if the Dems could hold their own caucus together, let alone swing one of the so called moderate republicans. The nominee will testify that he respects Roe v Wade and the doctrine of stare decisis (wink wink wink, haha) and that'll be enough cover for some big phony sellout like Susan Collins. Let's see if all talk no action Jeff Flake is really willing to block Trump's judicial nominees. I'm not holding my breath.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 28 2018 11:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm fully aware that the seat could be filled before the midterms. And in a perverse way, if it happens quickly that helps the Democratic Senate chances, because the issue's off the table. To have that dangling out there would be an incentive for Republicans to march to the polls. That's why I think Mitch may slow-walk this one a little to get it closer to November and remind anti-choice voters that if they want more of this wacky goodness they gotta vote.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2018 12:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's sad if true, that Dems can't out-rile the GOP over this issue. Dems outnumber Republicans. Liberals outnumber conservatives. The thing to do is endure the next two years, sweep Into power in 2020 and then pack the Courts. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain died six weeks ago and it's being kept secret to avoid a special election this Fall.
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| metsmarathon Jun 28 2018 01:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yeah. this is true. it's a wonder the evangelical crowd isn't more pro-mueller, so as to shepherd in a true believer in place of something more orange.
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| seawolf17 Jun 29 2018 07:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I've said since day one that they'll ride Trump until he becomes a real liability. They're getting exactly what they want out of him, so there's no reason for them to get rid of him. If anything, their best case scenario is six more years of Trump followed by eight years of Pence.
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| Ceetar Jun 29 2018 07:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There's definitely some of that, since mitch is an evil asshole. He doesn't actually care about abortion, it's just a stick to whip voters up in his favor.
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| MFS62 Jun 29 2018 07:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The GOP roasting of Rubenstein yesterday was more than just an inquiry.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2018 07:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't see how Pence is a greater evil. He's certainly awful, but he's not the fundamental threat to democracy that Trump is.
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| Ceetar Jun 29 2018 07:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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they're both evil, Pence is just somewhat less senile and not afraid of stairs. Especially now that trump has broken/crossed a lot of the lines. jailing kids, not giving a crap of press/soldiers/kids die, etc.
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| MFS62 Jun 29 2018 08:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Conservativism is in his DNA, especially socially. I think Trump could care less about some of those issues, as long as they rile up his base and keep him in power. The religious right community could support Pence openly without having to hold their noses at his personal actions. And, instead of making broad pronouncements, Pence is politically astute enough to turn his views into legislation. IMO that would cause longer term harm to democracy than just flamboyantly signing something in front of the cameras. I think Lefty Specialist and some others have posted similar reasons here. Later
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| Vic Sage Jun 29 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There are degrees of evil and awfulness.
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| MFS62 Jun 29 2018 08:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not sure those foaming at the mouth for Trump will be able to see that. It will be necessary for Democrats running for office to stress that. Other than that, good post. I see your point. Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 29 2018 12:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2018 12:29 PM |
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I think this post is spot on. I'm not sure I would've agreed with it at the beginning of Trump's term, figuring the president would be a bumbling blowhard instead of an evil and very dangerous bumbling blowhard. It's the exact same mistake Gsrmany made in the 30s, thinking Hitler would be a bumbling clown that could be easily manipulated by the establishment. Trump's accomplished quite a lot in just a year and a half, including bullying into total submission, congress. After Kennedy's replaced, there might not be any checks and balances left. And when that happens, you should really fear this president who admires strongmen with limitless terms , because I think that's next on the agenda of Mr. I alone and only I can fix it.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 29 2018 12:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I want Mueller to find something on Pence. He's dirty like the rest of them.
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| Edgy MD Jun 29 2018 12:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not particularly of the mind that he hasn't.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jun 30 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Watched Bill Maher's show last night. Michael Moore was a guest and the big buildup was that Moore was gonna announce a plan to counter Trump's second SCOTUS pick. I was sure Moore was gonna talk about court packing but instead, he went into this crazy talk ridiculous fantasy about how him and the Dems were gonna get a million people to surround the Senate. Sigh.
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| Lefty Specialist Jun 30 2018 02:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Abortion isn't the end of it. They also want to get rid of contraception , the right to privacy and criminalize homosexuality. We may think that's not possible, but they're quite dedicated to making it happen. The religious right has been playing the long game for 40 years, and even though Trump is an imperfect messenger, he's going to deliver what they want. And they will vote for him in droves in 2020, at even higher rates than 2016, because he DELIVERED.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 02 2018 11:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know, this is definitely going to mess with my barbecue plans.
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| Ceetar Jul 02 2018 12:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's what the day is for after all. The funny thing about the dystopian oligarchy stuff is it's just not going to fly the way they want it. You're not putting the gay genie back in the bottle. They can try their best to roll back discrimination laws, but simple lack of people discriminating and public perception of those that do, is still going to make say the 2025 workplace better than the 2005 one. Even crazy 22 reddit red pillers will grow up and stop having time to spew filth on the internet, and they'll realize in real life they have black friends/colleagues and women and immigrants they respect and don't actually want to deport and all that. Especially because they don't mean any of this stuff. They're not actually anti-abortion they use that stance as something to get votes. It might get bleak for a while, and we certainly won't be at the forefront of science and technology and education, but younger people will take over, and it's impossible to keep it from being blacker, gayer, etc. I'm not as worried about 2040 seeming worse than today as I am it just being bad from a progressive standpoint. We're not going to keep up with advancements that make society a better place, and while it'll be better than today, it won't be anywhere near as good as it could be. Are Self driving cars going to be our 1950s "everyone's getting a jet pack?" oh, and the environment. We're fucking that up and another few years of ignoring it is only going to make it that much harder to deal with in the future. I'm sure my retirement home will have to recycle all the pee to conserve water.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 02 2018 01:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, I'm pissed but it's the kind of thing that will pass. We're not going back to 1950's era morals and public policy, as much as a very small percentage of the population would like us to. Women aren't going to go back in the kitchen, if for no other reason than it's almost impossible to live on one salary any more. The Supreme Court may say it's okay for a business to discriminate against gay people, but any business that does so will eventually be closed down because people won't put up with it.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 04 2018 05:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Democratic Civil War Update!
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| metsmarathon Jul 05 2018 01:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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he's doing it you guys - he's actually doing it! the swamp is draining right before our very eyes!
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 05 2018 01:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's not amazing he resigned, it's amazing he lasted as long as he did. His wife is REALLY going to need that Chik-Fil-A franchise now.
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| Edgy MD Jul 05 2018 02:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Keep the pressure on! Tack on a few more!
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| MFS62 Jul 05 2018 03:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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When we first heard the news he was out, my wife said the same thing. Later
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 05 2018 11:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yay! Scott Pruitt is going!
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 06 2018 07:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, this is kind of like replacing Trump with Pence. The cartoonishly villainous guy getting replaced with the quieter, more efficient destroyer.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 06 2018 07:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Love the kabuki dance of Susan Collins, saying she won't support a justice who won't support Roe v. Wade.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 07 2018 12:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In a way, Dems deserve their predicament. They're run like the way the Wilpons run the Mets. GOP voters understood that Trump would fill Scalia's seat and that Kennedy would retire under Trump. Dems stayed home. Or voted for Jill Stein. Now, when it's too late, they're suddenly in outrage mode and let's surround the Senate with a million people batshit crazy fantasies. They could whine to Rachel Maddow till the cows come home for all the good that's gonna do. At least they haven't asked that first count daughter, Ivanka the c*nt to help them with the next SCOTUS pick. Not yet, anyways.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 07 2018 07:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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John Oliver nails it!
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| Nymr83 Jul 09 2018 07:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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this was probably he least politically astute choice Trump could have made.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2018 06:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, Brett Kavanaugh. I missed the actual rollout as I'd just eaten.
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| Nymr83 Jul 10 2018 07:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just think it was dumb to puck someone who worked for Ken Starr - I know a great line of questioning! He should have picked Barrett so that this time the loony left could attack her catholic beliefs on national tv
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| Edgy MD Jul 10 2018 07:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think picking judges as a political provocation is always a bad idea.
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| Nymr83 Jul 10 2018 08:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It can be a bad idea but still smart politics
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| MFS62 Jul 10 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Two baseball execs like the nomination. Guess which teams.
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| 41Forever Jul 10 2018 09:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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From the New York Times: A liberal's case for Brett Kavanaugh
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| Ceetar Jul 10 2018 09:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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biased garbage. But he does spend a lot of time pointing out that Kavanaugh is absolutely definitely a judge who has judged. And it boils down to the garbage argument of "The Republicans have been cheating and manipulating the system to their benefit, but instead of fighting back let's try to play nice." Almost nothing about why a 'liberal' would think this guy is a good idea.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2018 10:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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.......aaaaand it turns out that Kavanaugh was part of NEGOTIATIONS between Trump and Kennedy to retire, Trump promising him that he would name Kavanaugh, his old law clerk, to the position. So the whole 'short list' business was a charade. The fix was in a while ago. Just like the good old 'Apprentice' days.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 10 2018 10:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He's a piece of shit. He was also Ken Starr's right hand man in the penis hunt investigation. But now that there's a Republican president, Kavanaugh thinks a president shouldn't be subject to criminal or civil investigations. There's no doubt he specifically promised Trump that he'd vote to overrule Roe v. Wade, not that he'd ever admit that.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 10 2018 11:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I guess you like extreme partisan gerrymandering. And no social safety net. But a multi million dollar tax cut for Betsy Devos at the expense of our most neediest and vulnerable. And kidnapping the children of those seeking legal asylum. Well, you sold your soul to the Devil for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And if the Dems pack the courts one day, it'll have been for naught.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2018 01:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Democrats will never pack the Court. They play by the rules, often to their detriment when the other side breaks them. And even if they packed the court by, say two extra justices, the Republicans would just come back later and add 4 right-wing bomb throwers.
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| metsmarathon Jul 10 2018 02:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i do wonder if he came to that conclusion while gee-dub was in the white house, running afoul of all manner of geneva convention thingies.... and other iraq-war-related activities. hmm...
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| Ceetar Jul 10 2018 02:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And by a while go you mean like 30 years of course as Kennedy being someone that is going to do backroom deals and try to pass down a seat basically via nepotism has to go back to his appointment. I mean, a Supreme Court Justice is going to name his successor like this is a monarchy and the democrats are just gonna be like 'ho hum, that's a shame. We promise to play by the rules though."
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2018 04:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 10 2018 05:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The case, such as it is, nicely demolished here. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rbage.html
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 10 2018 07:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It was another insulting, patronizing article. Kavanaugb is an extreme radical conservative, way out there on the fringes. He could end up being the most extreme conservative SCOTUS judge of your lifetime, though you could say the same for Gorsuch or Alito. He's also an extreme partisan hack and if I didn't want to waste my time on such obvious facts, I could post dozens of links to demonstrate this, including studies by non partisan neutral committees scrutinizing Kavanaugh's decisions.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 10 2018 07:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is what I fear. If they give PR and DC statehood, the extra four senators will make it tougher for the GOP fo retaliate. And even if the GOP does pack the court to counter the Dems court packing move, this is a good thing. A constantly escalating tit for tat arms race is what is needed to ultimately force both sides to fix the very broken system for appointing judges, which by now, is nothing more than pure power politics.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 11 2018 07:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Amoral Ivy League clubbiness" might be a little much, but, yeah, otherwise, this is dead-on. But that second to last paragraph is the one that sticks.
And it does stick-- both logically and, y'know, in the back of your mental teeth.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 08:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I understand we're all distressed (among other things), but... ... let's not get too carried away. The carpetbagging Clintons wouldn't know a rule if it bit them squarely on their Chappaquan tushies. 'Rules are for the little people' is probably Hil's tramp stamp. Rules, hahahaha....
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| Ceetar Jul 11 2018 08:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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oh come on. I mean, all politicians do this to some extent but it's nothing compared to what's been going on with the republicans. They're A ball at best.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2018 09:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's a rule? Congress is allowed to pack the courts. There's no rule prohibiting that. Just like the GOP was allowed to block, en masse, over 100 of Obama's lower court picks. And like the GOP was allowed to block Obama's SCOTUS nominee. And just as allowed as the GOP was to kill the SCOTUS filibuster. And just like the GOP is allowed to kill the blue slip to rush Trump's lower court picks on the unlikely and off chance that the Dems take back the Senate this Fall. You mean norms instead of rules or laws, and we're already in a tit for tat arms race.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just throwing a little grease on the fire. Put another way, I wouldn't play
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2018 09:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The consensus is that with Kavanaugh on the court, Roe v Wade is dead and any idea to the contrary is pure fiction. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... minee.html
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| Vic Sage Jul 11 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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even my "coffee cart" guy knows it. He's a middle-aged middle-Eastern gentlemen from whom i've been buying caffeine for over 20 years, and this morning he says, unsolicited, "all those kids who didn't think Hillary was good enough to vote for? They're the ones going to pay for it now."
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 10:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I couldn't in good conscience vote for her, but in NYS it doesn't matter who I voted
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 11 2018 10:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump does more corruption in a day than the Clintons did in 8 years. The minute he set foot in the White House he was violating the emoluments clause. And Bill didn't sell us to the Russians.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lol, yeah Bill, what a mensch (when he wasn't tappin' some intern strange).
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 11 2018 11:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sorry, but this is like comparing Ty Kelly to Babe Ruth. I mean, hey, they're both major league baseball players, right?
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 11:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not comparing anything and have never type one kind word here about
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| Ceetar Jul 11 2018 11:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, it's not an either or thing. And literally the only argument republicans tend to offer is "oh, Hillary/Obama would've done worse. did worse. is worse. might've been worse." It's mostly irrelevant. You might as well have said, "It's not like Elon Musk is a great bastion of leadership"
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You can't make this shit up. The country's still prosecuting Bill Clinton over a blow job he got from a consenting adult who was tricked and manipulated into going public about it. But the pussy groper in chief with over two dozen sexual misconduct charges against him gets a free pass. And Kavanaugh, once so unreasonably outraged over the Lewinsky affair that you'd think he was the most puritanical man in America is now totally in the pocket of the pussy groper in chief. Who ran for president under a pillar of his campaign that he'd appoint judges who'd overrule Roe v Wade and who now claims that he doesn't know how Kavanaugh would rule on abortion.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 11 2018 11:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Imagine Hillary with two Supreme Court picks. And no trade wars. A strong, united G7. A strong united NATO. No border crisis. A tough relationship with Russia. A Justice Department that actually stands for justice. An EPA that protects, you know, the environment. The list is endless.
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| seawolf17 Jul 11 2018 12:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That made me sad, because that's where we'd be right now and it'd be incredible.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 12:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I basically agree for the most part with the last four posts so if you're
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 11 2018 12:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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See, now you're making me sad.
I point this out not to join the whataboutists, but just to make a point of fact: where sexual harassment and the unseemly means used to cover it up are concerned, Clinton was at least as amoral and vicious as our current... um... guy. The Clinton political machine was at its most terrible-- in every sense-- when in self-protection/reputation-destruction mode.
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| metsmarathon Jul 11 2018 01:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i mean, one guy used power and position to elicit sexual relationships with adult women, and may have even committed rape. the other guy used power and position to forcibly touch women, and also to perv on naked teenagers.
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| Edgy MD Jul 11 2018 01:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What the judges were looking for was "Sorry, but this is like comparing Ty Kelly to Ty Cobb." So close! Let's spin the wheel again!
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| Ceetar Jul 11 2018 01:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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also he was president like 20 years ago and isn't really part of the discussion about our society today. And neither is Hillary.
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| Edgy MD Jul 11 2018 01:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not sure which is which here. I agree that one guy is our president, while the other ain't, and so the former should be the focus. But I understand why the latter comes up. A lot of folks have to reconcile their feelings on President Clinton if they're going to go after President Trump on certain grounds. For my part, I think folks should let the sex crimes issues play out in court, and let the lawyers for the alleging parties pursue him into any corner they can. The rest of America needs to focus on his assault on the Republic, her creed, and her institutions. There's more than enough there.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 01:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, and ya know no one ever strays off-topic here or goes on tangents.
This, and I don't this often.
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| Nymr83 Jul 11 2018 01:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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no, but "Clinton's awfulness" DOES make a hypocrite out of every politician who attacks Trump but was silent on Clinton - or "condemns" Clinton only 20 years later when Clinton is no longer an active politician in their party.
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| Ceetar Jul 11 2018 02:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's like saying all abolitionists were hypocrites because they, or their parents, used to own slaves. The whole thing is about finally standing up and admitting it's not okay to behave like that or treat women like that. Hypocritical or not, that's what the current climate is. That's what the voters wants. And it's 20 years later. Many/most of those criticizing trump on these grounds are also being critical of Bill. Guess what? These people were also pretty quiet on trump 20 years ago too. It's a different world. And it doesn't matter. here and now. fix it. he's a predator and a evil grifter who's destroying our country and the Republicans are going along with it to earn an extra buck.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 11 2018 02:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Doh! That's what I get for working while posting!
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 11 2018 02:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Doesn't it also make a hypocrite of everyone who condemned Clinton and is silent on Trump? These people are even worse, because at least the Clinton defenders/Trump critics can claim (truthfully or not) that they're more enlightened and aware then they were 20 years ago. That's quite a bit better than claiming the opposite. "I used to think that abuse of women was bad, but my opinion has devolved since then."
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| Edgy MD Jul 11 2018 03:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course it does. But President Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not sexual assault (which I firmly believed he was guilty of, but was never factually established or part of the Senate's case against him).
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| Edgy MD Jul 11 2018 06:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Second-hand scuttlebutt from a Democratic lobbyist: they’re fine with Kavanaugh but scared as hell by Ocasio-Cortez.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 11 2018 06:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lobbyists SHOULD be afraid of her. She's not going to take their crap. They're projecting, methinks. Kavanaugh, well, whoever Trump picked was going to be bad. But he's got a paper trail a mile long they can dine out on. So he'll be useful to them in a way. Also, his hatred of the Affordable Care Act and his saying that Trump can't be indicted or even subpoenaed is a gift to red-state Democrats who might otherwise have been facing a tough vote against him, another plus.
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| MFS62 Jul 11 2018 07:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I feared he was going to nominate John Rocker.
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| Fman99 Jul 11 2018 07:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Boy, this bummed me out as much as anything has in the last 20 months.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 11 2018 07:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The last sentence is an unnecessary shot at me. I should just stay out
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 11 2018 07:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Without a Dem Senate, Hillary wouldn't get to place anybody on the court. And with a Dem Senate, Kennedy doesn't retire. Decent chance that neither would RBG, unless the Dems promised to go nuclear.
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| Edgy MD Jul 11 2018 08:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I imagine such animals are typically lobbyists first and Democrats second.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 12 2018 08:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wasn't meant that way, quite frankly.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 12 2018 09:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Noted, thank you.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 12 2018 12:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just found out that the new Trump tariffs will cost my company an estimated $4.1 million next year. Yay.
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| seawolf17 Jul 12 2018 12:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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We were just told the cost of paper is going to go up potentially 15-20%, which is going to impact our print budget for next year. Our print shop is currently hoarding paper.
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| Edgy MD Jul 13 2018 12:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In his rambling and absurd non-answer answer about Brexit, the president revealed (1) he thinks Ireland is part of the UK, (2) he still thinks he's the first Republican to win Wisconsin since 1952, despite being corrected about it across the media landscape, and may in fact be confusing Wisconsin with Minnesota.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 13 2018 01:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, those Canadian trees are a well-known national security threat.
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| MFS62 Jul 14 2018 06:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course they are. Radar can't pick up an invasion fleet using birch bark canoes. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 14 2018 08:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, after doing his best to insult and divide NATO, and undermining Theresa May in the UK, it's on to Helsinki for Trump's annual employee review.
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| Edgy MD Jul 14 2018 10:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm more concerned about the scheduled one-on-one time.
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2018 11:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Me: Well, he's already stood on the stage with the North Korean leader and blamed the U.S. for North Korean aggression, so ...
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| TransMonk Jul 16 2018 11:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What a shit show...makes me weepy.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 16 2018 11:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Republicans will stand by their man. He may have sold us to the Russians, but hey, TAX CUTS!
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| metirish Jul 16 2018 11:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How must the men and women of the various Intelligence services feel when Trump takes Putin at his word over their hard work?, it is utterly shameful.
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| Vic Sage Jul 16 2018 11:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, now you're getting it. Welcome to reality in Trump's Amerika.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 16 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm sure it is. But they also know that there's more at work here. Trump refuses to believe anything that could taint his victory. That's why he discredits anyone, any organization, any investigation, any news media, that casts any doubt on that victory. It's all about him.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 16 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Michael Steele
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2018 12:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump is the "useful idiot."
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 16 2018 12:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| metsmarathon Jul 16 2018 12:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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how is any american "patriot" not utterly embarrassed to have this clueless ass represent their nation.
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2018 02:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The senator loses me at the end. I'm not waiting for President Trump to embrace his sacred responsibility. I'm waiting for Congress to embrace theirs.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2018 02:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm sure John McCain realizes that the hope he's expressing is totally in vain.
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| Vic Sage Jul 16 2018 02:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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but, John, hope is NOT all that one can do. And you know that, you hypocritical old fuck.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2018 02:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd rather see him speak up than fade away. These are pretty strong words: "No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant."
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's lip service. in some ways it's worse to be pretending to be outraged while doing nothing.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2018 02:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is more or less what I feel and what I would've wrote about the blah blah blah all talk no action senator. For all his fancy talk, he's an out an out scumbag Republican and in the end, if his vote is crucial to Kavanaugh's confirmation, but he's too sick to vote, he'll retire so that his Governor could replace him with someone who can push Kavanaugh through.
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| Vic Sage Jul 16 2018 03:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can do both. My outrage is boundless and I'm a mult-tasker.
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2018 06:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can we just refer to the events of today as "The Great Surrender"?
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| Nymr83 Jul 16 2018 06:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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this was Trump's worst performance and his inexperience really shined through.
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2018 07:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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huh? he's been remarkably consistent. He just says the same garbage over and over and bolts at the first opportunity to get a big mac and a round of golf in.
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| Nymr83 Jul 16 2018 07:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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take it from someone who ISN'T predisposed to hate everything he says and does. this was a new low.
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2018 07:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it was the same low. We've known he's been colluding with Russia since roughly two years ago. This is just business as usual.
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| Fman99 Jul 16 2018 07:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is really it. I look at everything in the context of this shit-ass and his insecurity about the fact that he lost the popular election, by millions of votes, and only with the help of foreign powers. Wait till 2020 -- you think he'll lose re-election and just gracefully concede his 2nd term? I don't see how. They'll have to drag him kicking and screaming from the White House, like a toddler being pulled out of Chuck E. Cheese before they turn off the arcade games.
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| MFS62 Jul 16 2018 07:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't see how any military veteran can support someone who just betrayed our country. But they will continue to do it, and I can't understand why.
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| Nymr83 Jul 16 2018 08:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I still don't buy that he is colluding. Russia simply identified a dope and backed him independently and, as Lefty said, Trump refuses to see it because his massive ego won't let him believe that he didn't win all by himself
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| Ceetar Jul 16 2018 08:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hell, he's been helping the Russians from a business standpoint so long that It's not out of the question that even his decision to run was Putin's.
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| metsmarathon Jul 16 2018 08:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i dunno man. at best, he's a supremely useful idiot. but he's going above and beyond idiocy, here. if he's giving away this much to our adversaries, he's a bigger idiot than even i thought. which is, you know, still certainly possible. side note: i'm not necessarily predisposed to opposing everything trump says. if only he were ever to say something factual, non-idiotic, and/or non-hateful, i would be granted the opportunity. alas...
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2018 09:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't want to get caught up on the word "collusion." That's more of a general description of the issues, and not a specific crime, of which he's guilty of many.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 16 2018 09:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course it does. Nobody can be that stupid and win a presidential election. Putin's hadt the goods on this crook-fraud for years and is now squeezing him for all he's worth. It's so fucking obvious. Why the hell did they meet in virtual secrecy?
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| Edgy MD Jul 16 2018 10:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| MFS62 Jul 17 2018 05:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy and putting the interests of another country above his own is just the start. The money trail will eventually prove he was a paid agent of a foreign power.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 06:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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'Collusion' is not a legal term. More accurately, it's 'conspiracy'.
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| metsmarathon Jul 17 2018 07:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it may not be treason but it sure as shit is treasonous.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 07:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So you know that Russian woman who was arrested yesterday? She was in the Oval Office the day after Comey's firing.
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| TransMonk Jul 17 2018 08:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm seeing on the Twitters that the woman circled is Cari Lutkins, the WH's deputy director of events or some such - not Maria Butina.
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| Edgy MD Jul 17 2018 08:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"I am ready for further orders."
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, looks like that wasn't true. Management regrets the error.
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| Edgy MD Jul 17 2018 10:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, you got punk'd.
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| Nymr83 Jul 17 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fake News!
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| seawolf17 Jul 17 2018 11:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, so true. It was one of the first things they taught us in my journalism program: "Don't be first. Be right."
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2018 11:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure, but not in this case. The white house is working with the russians. She's an arrested agent. She's posed with many key republicans and lobbyists. It's almost a failure of journalism not to spot a likeness there and ponder if it's her because it's likely she was in some capacity. Of course, it may be that you didn't need a Russian agent there pushing the agenda since you already had Trump. But complaining that this was mistakenly reported as Butina is like if nukes hit Philadelphia, Boston and Los Angeles but it turns out they didn't hit Philadelphia. Dammit, why can't they get the reporting right? And regardless, we're past the point where it matters if it's well-sourced facts that take down this trump. Hopefully we've got enough vestiges of government left to follow the orders should it come to that, but it's a non-zero chance that the republicans and trump respond to a Mueller indictment with simply a "You have no authority go away" and then just continue on as normal.
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| metsmarathon Jul 17 2018 12:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you're wrong.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 12:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Journalists have been making errors since the dawn of journalism. The appropriate response by the journalist is to note them, apologize, and move on. The appropriate response by the reader is not to say all journalism is fake. The site where I took the picture from actually removed it and the article attached.
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2018 12:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You mean the people that think Hillary killed someone, and ran a child sex ring in a pizza place? Fuck them. Literally stop giving a shit that they yell more when reasonable people made a mistake. They're going to make noise to get every democrat congressman that ever checked out a woman to resign while refusing to do the same, cemented their power and riches. They'll appoint unqualified judges and usurp power and reasonable people will just be like "hey, that's not nice!" It's like the "Well, Trump won fair and square based on our rules, nothing we can do." ignoring the idiocy of the electoral college, the 'cheating' to draw the districts, to literally de-register black people and to close their voting booths. And we're not talking about anything insane here. Someone just slightly erred in how many places there are pictures of the government committing treason. She was all over the place. She was probably in the damn white house too, just not in that particular picture.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 12:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Actually ate at Comet Pizza the last time we were in DC to do our part in the fight against fake news. Delicious. They were packed, too. And they don't even HAVE a basement, but they do have an excellent beer list.
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| Edgy MD Jul 17 2018 12:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Agreed with marathon. It's on all of us — and I don't mean to single out anyone here — to be accountable for what we say and write. Or else it discredits all of us. And all who cling closely to the truth which they (the administration, their apologists, and the Russians) have worked to discredit.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 17 2018 01:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's also right next door to one of the best bookstores anywhere, Politics & Prose.
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| metsmarathon Jul 17 2018 01:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i don't give a shit about the people who are truly lost. but those who are being misled, yes. those i care about. those whose minds are still somewhat malleable, despite having been watching fox news for too damned long. the worst crime trump will have committed is if we allow ourselves to fall down to his level in order to beat him. our ideas and ideals are strong enough that they will stand on their own, or else they don't deserve to stand at all.
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| Ceetar Jul 17 2018 02:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Most of those people, even many of the yelling trolls, need to be led. You're not going to engage them on a meaningful exchange of thought. IMO we need to push past the nuance of arguing how many republicans met with russian operatives or what exactly abortion is or whether or not immigrants are dangerous to America. We need to push forward as adults and stop pretending things like universal health care need to be debated. Not pretending people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are some weird NY thing with some 'out there' agenda. Elect people with visions like that and goals to make the country a better place, not ones looking to play both sides and pander to 'moderates' or the like. Because as it stands I don't really see that either party, or America for that matter, has much of any ideals worth writing home about.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 06:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The average voter doesn't get wrapped around the axle of detailed policy. Trump had a great four-word slogan. People then read into that what they wanted to see.
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| Edgy MD Jul 18 2018 09:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Paddy Power's impeachment odds before the press conference: 4 to 1.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It'd be a waste to impeach him if there's no ultimate removal. I don't think Trump would give a flying fuck so long as he's not removed and he'd spin the Senate's refusal to remove him as an acquittal on all charges, and a total vindication . Without removal, he's likely to come out stronger. His base is a powerful zombie cult. That's why the country is where it is. We'll spend the rest of the week hearing empty and meaningless words from the usual cast of all talk no actioners like Flake and Corker and McCain as they give us the Putin meeting version of thoughts and prayers.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 11:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Even if Democrats get the House and Senate back, there won't be an impeachment and conviction. Nancy Pelosi is (very smartly) taking it off the table for now, because it could be used as a campaign issue. And even if Senate Democrats were to get to 51 votes and keep their caucus intact, there simply aren't 16 Republicans who'd cross over.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 18 2018 11:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If this is true it sounds highly inappropriate or something worse? His job is to give 110% to this investigation and nothing more - especially not the timing of indictments, play games on anyone or pushing personal political buttons.
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| Edgy MD Jul 18 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Agreed.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 11:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm merely suggesting. I am not now, nor have I ever been, in contact with or employed by the Special Counsel's office. Mueller's under a lot of pressure; he has to have a little fun once in a while.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 11:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, glad we cleared THAT up.
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| Ceetar Jul 18 2018 11:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I still think we need to be prepared for what happens if trump just sits there and denies Mueller's authority. Just refuses to leave. I don't think this country is prepared for this type of transfer of power, or potential indictment and I certainly don't have any faith on Congress being all "oh, well, I guess they did finally get you. go ahead and get lost trumpy."
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 11:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, Mueller won't ask him to leave. He'll merely issue his reports and indictments. I don't think Trump will be indicted or even subpoenaed. However, Don Jr, Jared, Roger Stone, et al, are probably on the hit list.
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| Ceetar Jul 18 2018 12:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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sure, but then it's basically business as usual no?
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 18 2018 01:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, that's the process. Mueller isn't judge, jury and executioner. Other branches need to come into play.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 19 2018 10:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[fimg=555:2ug1jzpz]https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b4fe34f808c6f2c4030c232/master/w_3000,c_limit/CoverStory-STORY_blitt_escalator.jpg[/fimg:2ug1jzpz]
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| MFS62 Jul 19 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The escalator stopped while he was on it and he didn't know how to get down. It happens a lot to MFY fans at YSIII, too.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 19 2018 11:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[tweet:10dfc1am]https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1019470147017293825[/tweet:10dfc1am]
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 19 2018 01:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.theonion.com/fbi-uncovers-a ... 1819576375
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| d'Kong76 Jul 20 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't have time to research (get my answer) so I'm going to throw this
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 20 2018 09:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not that I was ever skeptical.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2018 10:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Supposedly the FBI has a tape of Trump and Michael Cohen discussing hush payments to Karen McDougal, the Playmate who got pregnant and had an abortion. Probably won't be able to truly confirm this unless the tape is played in open court.
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| Edgy MD Jul 20 2018 10:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was skeptical. I guess I still am. Not because evidence implying such a thing isn't piling up. I just don't want to over-reach and pin his downfall on the recovery of the whizz tape or whatever. I think he should be taken down by what's currently on the public record. I didn't know there was an alleged abortion involved in the McDougal affair.
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| metsmarathon Jul 20 2018 11:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yeah, i mean, on the one hand, i think he's totally in the bag for the russians.
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| Nymr83 Jul 20 2018 11:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Congress authorized it in earlier statutes, ceding their power to the president, much like the 'War Powers' act that transferred the power to declare to war when the president wants to and "oh by the way maybe tell us about it later if its not too much trouble" (amazingly, one recent president didnt even bother with the official notifications part!" i'd be quite happy to see, as a result of the Trump era, Congress taking back its constitutional powers from future presidents and administrative agencies.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 20 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Thank you, I'll read up on it some when I get a chance.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2018 12:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think even the Russians didn't think he had a chance. They were just happy to muddy the waters and dump on Hillary. Trump is compromised, whether financially or P-P related, and both sides know it. There's no other rational explanation for his behavior. Even if an idiot were to become president, he wouldn't do the things Trump has done. These are intentional, knowing acts, not blunderings.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2018 12:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nobody's taking Trump down. Even if he's impeached, the votes womt be there in the Senate to remove him. And criminally, could a sitting President even be indicted? And even if you could put Trump on trial, in these extremely polarized and divisive times, there's no way the prosecution would be able to keep one Trump zombie cult fanatic from getting on the jury. Remember: you need a unanimous jury agreeing to convict, not a majority.
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| seawolf17 Jul 20 2018 12:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The *only* way he comes out of office before January 2021 is if he becomes a liability to the GOP. And he's not, because they're sliding everything they want through right now. So we're stuck with him, because the GOP does. not. care as long as they get their agenda through.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2018 01:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Remember, too, that Russian meddling benefits Republicans. They're a bit reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them. It's why they refuse to allocate more money for protecting the vote in 2018. The situation as is works for them just fine.
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| 41Forever Jul 20 2018 02:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I like the message from Gov. Snyder today about civility in public discourse. Governor believes in relentless positive action, and his letter is co-signed by more than 200 leaders from both sides of the aisle, with people from education, government and industry. Worth a read:
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 20 2018 02:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is the scumbag who said fuck you to Democracy, not with uncivil curse words, but with action, by putting a Republican emergency manager in charge of one of the country's most liberal cities --Detroit-- with the goal of throwing the vote to Trump by throwing out 75,000 presidential voting ballots from Detroit. The scumbag who poisoned an entire city with reckless and indifferent regard for human life. The only reason he's the Governor is because the Flint scandal didn't break public until just after he was reelected. Please with the civility. Is that why the Republican congress is impotent? Because someone said a bad word to Mitch McConnell?
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2018 02:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, those in power always wish that those opposing them would do it civilly.
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| 41Forever Jul 20 2018 02:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think Governor is speaking to the people in power, as well as those he is working with on the other side of the aisle. Lots of Democrats signing the letter as well.
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| TransMonk Jul 20 2018 04:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This tweet made me chuckle, so I decided to start following Mr. Marx on Twitter. I thought twice after this one popped into my feed yesterday: [tweet]https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1019977409343311872[/tweet] But then this one came through today. [tweet]https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1020427277295804416[/tweet] I never thought I'd see Richard Marx use the term "ball-sac fluffer"...especially when the ball-sac in question seems to be the POTUS's.
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| Rockin' Doc Jul 20 2018 06:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My youngest, 27 year old daughter, just came in noticed me reading the CPF and said, " You know someone dressed up as Thor and shaking hands with Spider Man. That's cool!" Lefty, you have been confirmed as cool by my youngest ( 27 year old).
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 20 2018 07:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd give a longer reply, but I've got a game to pitch tonight. :) (Resolves not to change his avatar)
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| d'Kong76 Jul 23 2018 09:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The demented calling the demented demented. They need to reel this guy
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 10:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The scary part is that the spelling and syntax all more or less hold together (ampersand excepted), which clearly indicates somebody who should know better wrote this for him.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 23 2018 10:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He should, but he won't. People don't put the two things together. The actual truth is coming out months after Nunes released the made-up 'memo'. He'll face no consequences, because he's since moved on to bigger and better lies, like shutting down the House investigation because there was nothing to see and they should really be focused on the Clinton campaign's collusion with the Russians. Threatening Iran is part of Trump's M.O. at this point. Things getting bad? Throw a distraction out there.
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 10:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, because Nunes is still using committee as a legal firewall for the president, pressure needs to be placed on breaking that. Shame and shame them some more.
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| Edgy MD Jul 25 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Maybe he gets hit by a truck."
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 25 2018 08:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Cohen tape is really hard to understand and there's a lot of code words used. I think people are reading way too much into it. There needs to be context, and that's lacking here.
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| Edgy MD Jul 25 2018 10:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure, plus it's President Trump, who defies understanding every time he opens his mouth, intentionally and otherwise. But that was still an eye-popping line to see in the transcript.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 25 2018 10:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Nice country you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it."
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| Nymr83 Jul 25 2018 12:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How is Cohen not getting disbarred for taping a client and releasing said tape without his consent?
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 25 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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New York law says that only one party has to consent to being taped. Therefore he can do it. Is it slimy? Sure, but this is Trump you're dealing with- he lies like a rug. Any smart lawyer would cover his ass.
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| Edgy MD Jul 25 2018 01:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The president's representation apparently waived privilege. Besides, Cohen learned about the value of taping conversations from the future president.
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| Nymr83 Jul 25 2018 07:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah I know New York law is 1 party consent, its the breach of privilege that concerned me, but Edgy says they agreed, did not know that.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 25 2018 08:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What does one party consent mean? Two people are talking, so the recording
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| Nymr83 Jul 25 2018 08:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yup. but without knowing where the other party to your conversation is its hard to know if that is the end of the analysis. it is true for an in-person conversation in NY at least.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 26 2018 05:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Nymr83 Jul 26 2018 06:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i wonder how much of the 12 billion is going to family farms and how much is a handout to big farming corporations that dont need it/should have insured themselves privately. actually, it's government, so i dont need to wonder. probably 11.99999
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 26 2018 07:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Probably pretty close. The little farmer will get screwed. He'll probably vote for Trump again in 2020, though.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 26 2018 02:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why Paul Manafort hasn't talked:
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2018 11:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Michael Cohen revelation gives Dems even more ground to pack the courts as soon as they get the chance --- because Trump is an illegitimate president. And if he were a Democrat, not only would this GOP congress be well into impeachment proceedings, but the GOP would've already put the total kibosh on Kavanaugh's confirmation, and coming up with some move for Gorsuch's removal.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2018 09:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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These guys disagree and think Pence would be a whole lot worse than Trump, in a NYT preview of a book on Pence due out next month. Good read. One of the article's strong criticisms of Pence that I agree with, having learned more about the VP as he transitioned into a national figure, besides Pence's obvious crackpot goddery and blatantly open racism and prejudices, is what an incredible bullshit artist he is. He's a shameless liar and the press doesn't call him out on his lies nearly as much as it should. People that hold themselves out as overly religious tend to get more leeway on their dishonesty. That's how they've been able to exploit others throughout the history of mankind. Mike Pence, Holy Terror Are you sure you want to get rid of Donald Trump? Frank Bruni By Frank Bruni Opinion Columnist [fimg=333]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/07/29/opinion/sunday/29bruni/29bruni-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp[/fimg]
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opin ... error.html
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| MFS62 Jul 30 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just saw a replay of a Rudy interview on FAUX news. He said something about a when he was a prosecutor he took a person's whole background into consideration and "eased up if he thought the defendant was a good guy".
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| Nymr83 Jul 30 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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if "good guy" means remorseful, or cooperative i think that is fine... Trump is neither, though.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2018 11:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Here comes the God Squad. Jeff Sessions to form religious liberty task force. To facilitate discrimination by cakemakers and others on pretext that there's an invisible man floating in the sky that judges the billions plus world population simultaneously and makes things happen.
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| seawolf17 Jul 30 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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GRRRRRRRRRRR
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2018 12:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Essentially, White Straight Christians get to discriminate against everyone else. With government backing. Because Jesus.
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| Ceetar Jul 30 2018 12:31 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's weird that dark-skinned middle easterner would want that.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2018 12:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Any religion that has, as one of its tenets, that all people shouldn't be treated equally, shouldn't be recognized as a religion and should forfeit its tax exemptions for starters. I'm gonna start a religion where my God tells me that it's okay to steal everybody's money even if I hafta use deadly force.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 30 2018 12:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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White ... check
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| Edgy MD Jul 30 2018 12:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Get in line.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2018 12:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And the hits just keep on coming.
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| Edgy MD Jul 30 2018 05:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think the anti-Pence argument undercuts a lot of important things. The president has to go because he has disqualified himself. Wanting to keep him because we fear Vice President Pence more is doing what Trump's masters are doing — using him as a useful idiot.
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| Fman99 Jul 30 2018 06:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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100% agree with this.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2018 05:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yabbut.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 06:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He'll be removed if I have anything to say about it. But my point is rather that we are obliged to press on.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's like a zombie virus back on Long Island. I talk to my mother every two weeks or so, and every time the conversation begins with a variation on, "So, guess which of my elderly friends of 50-years standing has become a crazy rabid Trump supporter?"
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| MFS62 Jul 31 2018 08:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That reminds me of a Billy Crystal line: "Trump has a 38 percent approval rating. The ZIKA Virus has a 40". Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2018 02:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Latest poll from Lyceum has the Texas Senate race in a "dead heat", with Cruz leading O'Rourke 41-39, well within the 4.67 margin of error.
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| Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2018 02:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't want to get my hopes up, but... wow, wouldn't that be something?
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| Edgy MD Aug 01 2018 08:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm curious whether the Koch organization is going to help swing that one.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 02 2018 03:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This has always been my 'dark horse upset' race. But Beto will have to rely on the Latino vote, which has a terrible track record of showing up in Texas. Also there's an awful lot of undecideds, which tend to break Republican. Cruz will have plenty of PAC money to spend and I'm guessing he'll find a way to pull it out.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 06 2018 06:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Trump Cult in action. Old white guys being, well, assholes. Reagan is spinning in his grave.
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| MFS62 Aug 06 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I saw one of the rallies where behind him were (prominently displayed) people holding up signs that said "Blacks for Trump" and "Women for Trump".
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| Edgy MD Aug 06 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Blacks for Trump organization is the province of dangerous crackpot, cultist, possible murder conspirator Michaeel Symonette. (That's just one of several names he's gone by.)
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| MFS62 Aug 06 2018 08:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yikes! Later
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| Mets Willets Point Aug 06 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Republicans can never grouse about Jane Fonda again now that there are tens of thousands of actual traitors in their midst.
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| Edgy MD Aug 06 2018 09:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"I'd Rather Be a Russian Than a Democrat (El Pais Pasa)" was always the track I'd skip when I'd listen to Simon & Garfunkle's Greatest Hits.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 06 2018 11:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think it'd be a great idea to send those guys to Russia for a spell. Say, in January.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 06 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And remember when guys like that used to wear "America-Love It or Leave It!' shirts. Yeah, good times.
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| Nymr83 Aug 06 2018 08:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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These guys are assholes, but not actual traitors like Fonda.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 06 2018 09:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I dont need to see that picture to know they're assholes. They voted for Trump. Do we still need to be kind and sympathetic to Trump voters?
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| Edgy MD Aug 07 2018 07:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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By the way, that t-shirt is some terrible design work.
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| Nymr83 Aug 07 2018 08:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Especially as it resembles Mets colors!
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 08 2018 06:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So the Democrat looks like he'll fall just short of flipping the seat in the Ohio special election. But the fact it was even close bodes poorly for Republicans, who poured a ton of money and a Presidential and Vice-Presidential visit into this district.
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| Chad Ochoseis Aug 08 2018 07:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That seat goes right back up again in November. It's suburban Columbus, not rural/Appalachian, so the energized Dems should have a good shot in the rematch.
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| MFS62 Aug 08 2018 08:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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NY Republican Congressman Chris Collins has been arrested on charges of insider trading. We're not just talking indicted. He surrendered to authorities.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 08 2018 09:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bonus corruption: He made an insider trading call from inside the White House.
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| Edgy MD Aug 08 2018 09:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's great.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 08 2018 10:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lol
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 08 2018 12:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was thinking about Nixon today, on the anniversary of his resignation. Nixon, who was always regarded as the sleaziest of all Presidents, at least turned over the tapes. At lease he resigned before an inevitable impeachment proceeding that would've no doubt, resulted in his removal from office.
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| Ceetar Aug 08 2018 01:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nixon also extended the Vietnam war for political gain. The difference with the idiot now, is that it's for personal gain. Also his staff actively works hard to obscure/mitigate the ways he's violating the law by taping paper back together.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 09 2018 08:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Correction: He made the call from the White House lawn during a picnic. And there are other Republican congressmen who might be involved as well.
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| Edgy MD Aug 09 2018 11:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is how you run for governor of a state of 21 million people.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 09 2018 11:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kid probably saw the Trump sign and promptly pooped his pants.
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| metsmarathon Aug 09 2018 11:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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good god, that's terrifying.
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| Ceetar Aug 09 2018 11:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I almost expected that to say it was endorsed by his opponent.
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| Benjamin Grimm Aug 09 2018 12:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| seawolf17 Aug 09 2018 01:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Seriously. I thought it was going to be a joke ad at first but OMG no.
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| MFS62 Aug 09 2018 02:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Arrest him for child abuse.
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| Nymr83 Aug 09 2018 04:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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wait, that wasnt a joke?
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| Edgy MD Aug 09 2018 07:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He thinks it's a joke.
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| Nymr83 Aug 09 2018 09:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wanting the endorsement of trump is one thing, but running a campaign on the platform "I am Trump's bitch" seems pretty dumb
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 10 2018 05:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not in a Republican primary. That's how you get the nomination. The general election is a whole different matter, however.
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| MFS62 Aug 10 2018 07:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Forget Trump. This guy won his primary by 25 points on pure bigotry.
They're coming out of the woodwork, right into the welcoming arms of conservative voters who legitimize hatred with their votes. Later
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| Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2018 07:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know anything about the demographics of Clay County, Missouri, but hopefully he's one of those insane candidates who wins a primary but gets trounced in the general election.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 10 2018 04:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Speaking of insane, the EPA has decided to loosen the rules on asbestos use after decades of tight restrictions. Guess they forgot what the ‘P’ stands for.
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| Fman99 Aug 11 2018 09:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I didn't realize my "red ass diarrhea" could produce asbestos, how bout that.
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| metsmarathon Aug 14 2018 06:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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huh. strozk fired.
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| MFS62 Aug 14 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Calling a black woman a dog is going to lose him a lot of votes, and win him a lot of votes.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 14 2018 12:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is there anyone that doesn't think Trump has said the n-word like a hundred times at least?
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| seawolf17 Aug 14 2018 12:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And that's just this week. And it's only Tuesday.
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| Edgy MD Aug 14 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think he has said it plenty.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 14 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Manafort’s defense rests without calling any witnesses. Looks like old Paulie is banking on a) a MAGA juror or b) a pardon.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 14 2018 03:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How I heard today's press briefing:
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 14 2018 04:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So in Trumpland-speak, that means there’s at least one and probably multiple instances of him using the N-word.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 14 2018 05:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And it won't matter a bit to his base. They've justified/ignored/chosen not to believe scores of other vile behavior, why would this be any different.
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| Ceetar Aug 15 2018 07:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm starting to suspect this daily "Trump aides say Trump is stupid that X" 'leaks' are just planted distractions.
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| Chad Ochoseis Aug 15 2018 08:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, hell yes. Somehow, all the dumb stuff makes headlines. And this disappears:
And so does this:
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| Ceetar Aug 15 2018 08:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There are still children in cages ripped from their parents and the main topic is whether or not 45 said a naughty word.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 15 2018 09:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's way more than a naughty word.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 15 2018 09:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Waiting for Sarah "Lies for Breakfast" Sanders to explain he was really discussing the situation in Niger.
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| Ceetar Aug 15 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He called immigrants animals and literally nothing happened and we're basically bored that he's putting them in cages. The weight paid to a damn word is missing the forest for the trees in this, and most cases. That particular one is on the extreme side, but there are lot of other policed words that are fall much more into a grey area, and you get into this damn rabbit hole of policing speech but not actually addressing the disparity it represents.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 15 2018 12:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The heartless policy of people in cages doesn't have anything to do with, and should not prevent anyone from also caring about whether or not Trump said this word.
Read what you wrote, homie. If he said this (which I'm a billion percent sure he has), it's the forest and all the goddamn trees. The vile word and the centuries of wreckage associated with that word. That's why people give a shit. I do think intellectual discussions can be had about the word, but (personally) I think it's a fool's errand for non-blacks to try and determine that word's true gravity and what level of policing of that word is appropriate. I'm not saying you're trying to do that (apologies if it comes off that way). But it does sound like you're trying to downplay the outrage some because it's just a word.
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| Ceetar Aug 15 2018 12:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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nah, I get that my thinking the outrage isn't/shouldn't be that extreme means absolutely nothing. Thought I think it should be either it's a word we don't say, period, or it's not. not selectively based on someone's race or ancestry. (and other words much less so, once you cross into territory where people can use a word, say 'mongo' and not even realize it has similiar demeaning history)
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 16 2018 04:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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53% of white women voted for him AFTER he bragged about grabbing p*ssy.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 17 2018 10:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Charlie Cook, the dean of election forecasters, who has been studying midterm elections since 1974, says that the GOP would likely lose a historic 60 to 70 congressional seats this November were it not for the extreme partisan gerrymandering currently in place.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 17 2018 11:01 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nate Silver has them picking up 35 seats and the majority. And the inference is that the number could grow.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 17 2018 11:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Good. There'll be wall to wall investigations of this crooked administration beginning in January. Trump Jr. might as well lease some space in the House Chamber next year for all of the subpoenas that bullshit artist is gonna have to answer.
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| metsmarathon Aug 17 2018 12:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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pulling brennan's clearance. also swampy.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 17 2018 07:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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'Petty' is more like it. And they'll be rolling out more of these every time they need a distraction.
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| MFS62 Aug 19 2018 04:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Truth isn' Truth.
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| Nymr83 Aug 19 2018 09:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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anyone not trying to twist words knows exactly what he means - that a prosecutor can charge someone with perjury in a he said/she said situation.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 19 2018 09:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The I-Didnt-Do-It defense.
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| Edgy MD Aug 19 2018 09:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It won't get far at all if the fact of what she said can't be formally established in court. The only one twisting words is the mayor. His performance was a disgrace several times over. He actually played these three pleading-the-alternative cards in a row:
Just so it's abundantly clear that Mayor Giuliani is trying to gaslight you and me and all of us, this was the text of the the e-mail that initiated the meeting, as provided by Donald J. Trump, Jr.
Twisting words indeed.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 20 2018 08:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My favorite part was Chuck Todd's reaction when Rudy said "Truth isn't Truth". It went from "W-w-whaaaa????" to facepalming.
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| Edgy MD Aug 20 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The weird part is ... why would he let himself become this?
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 20 2018 12:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My armchair psychoanalysis is that he'd become irrelevant and he saw the path back as being Trump's mouthpiece. He'd never done this before; he always spoke as his own man, whether running for office, being mayor or a US Attorney. Now he has to go out and speak for someone else, someone who contradicts himself and lies on a daily basis. But you need the gig- suddenly you're famous again- so you do all kinds of gymnastics to keep it.
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| cooby Aug 20 2018 02:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope so but he seems to be in a tank
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| d'Kong76 Aug 21 2018 12:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cohen reaches plea deal - NBC News. Pass the popcorn.
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| Edgy MD Aug 21 2018 12:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Just resign and move to the Caymans already.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 21 2018 01:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No ITT for him! Doesn't look like it's a cooperation deal, though, so hold the Orville Redenbacher. Just a straight guilty plea. Hoping Trump hits him with that pardon stick, I guess.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 21 2018 02:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a guilty plea doubleheader!
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| Edgy MD Aug 21 2018 02:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He led a life, however flawed, that meant, when he died, his kids and grandkids would hear the nation recall the man who courageously led and comforted New York City during the attacks of 9/11, and became the face of American resilience. Now the first sentence upon his death will be that he puzzlingly chose to be the last and most ardent defender of the disgraced, deposed, and deported president who sold America out — a babbling, incoherent assassin of reason and logic and sense on America's televisions for the last year of that horrid period when America realized what a republic of hate, sin, and ignorance it had allowed itself to become. That's a helluva price to pay for another chapter of fame. That's infamy, man.
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| cooby Aug 21 2018 07:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It is indeed difficult to believe he is the same person
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| MFS62 Aug 21 2018 08:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No tweets tonight from Agent Orange. He's gonna' so overload his Depends he may short out his phone. Later
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| MFS62 Aug 22 2018 06:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fair and Balanced. Some funny comments about how FOX covered yesterday's news.
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| Ceetar Aug 22 2018 07:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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they didn't "cover" yesterday's news, they're not a news station. Just like Mike Francesa doesn't 'cover' the Mets.
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| Nymr83 Aug 22 2018 07:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i was talking to some friends about it yesterday - FOX's website had the Tibbetts story roughly 3rd all day until it came out that an illegal alien killed her and then it was 1st. (Manafort and Cohen were also top stories, memes aside) . CNN meanwhile also had it roughly 3rd until the news came out and then it dropped down the list - both networks were "biased" not in what they were reporting (this is online, i wasn't watching either network) but in their placement of stories.
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| MFS62 Aug 22 2018 07:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That is nonsense. If you ask every one of their on screen personalities what they do, they will say "reporter" or "newscaster". On the line on their tax return (if they filed one honestly) where it asks for occupation, I'd bet they put "newscaster". That said, how did they cover the Manafort and Cohen stories? They portray themselves as a news organization. Remember, their slogan is (was) "Fair and Balanced". If they're not reporting, then what are they doing? And if they're just commenting on the news, they're sure overlooking or diminishing some big stories and slanting others. I wonder what Cohen will reveal about his other client Sean Hannity when all is said and done. Later
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| Edgy MD Aug 22 2018 10:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Duncan Hunter indictment is amazing.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 22 2018 12:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Senator Mazie Hirono
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 22 2018 01:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If the roles were reversed, the GOP, even with the extremely limited power that the Dems have, would find a way to 86 Kavanaugh's confirmation. It's a national disgrace that this scumbag in the White Hkuse even gets to nominate federal judges. But Merrick Garland doesn't even get a single interview.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2018 09:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Alan Weisselberg, long time CFO of the Trump Organization, and the guy who knows a zillion times more about Trump than Michael Cohen, is granted immunity.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 24 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The walls are closing in.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2018 09:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Too bad they'll still be fabulously wealthy after their spectacular downfall.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 24 2018 11:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Two words: Tax Returns.
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| Edgy MD Aug 24 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, Ivanka will have to remember to keep depositing money in his commissary account.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 24 2018 12:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Edgy MD Aug 26 2018 06:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm a little worried about the seat Senator McCain leaves behind. I'm hoping that a member of his family serves out his term, but I know that the president (or, more likely, his people) is going to be working on Arizona Governor Doug Ducey to get him to appoint a rubber stamp.
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| Nymr83 Aug 27 2018 07:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If they could draft him, former AZ senator Jon Kyl was widely respected in the state - he retired in 2013 but would immediately provide a "no controversy" replacement to serve out the next 2 years with no interest in running for re election. Just dont appoint that crazy sheriff guy
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| Edgy MD Aug 27 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Senator Kyl is currently tasked with helping the Justice Kavanaugh navigate the Supreme Court confirmation process, so I doubt he'd be uncontroversial.
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| MFS62 Aug 27 2018 08:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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On the other side of the coin, is our pathetic president, a man so petty and so little that the best he could muster for the passing of an american hero was a brief tweet. seems like little donnie didn't want the WH to issue a more detailed tribute to mccain, one of which was prepared, but vetoed by him.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 27 2018 12:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump ordered all flags to fly at FULL mast. What a small, petty man.
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| d'Kong76 Aug 27 2018 01:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I forgot about the, “I like people that weren’t captured,†Trump said. thing.
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| Edgy MD Aug 27 2018 01:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Isn't it amazing? The things I've forgotten about this scoundrel would be the worst thing I could remember about anybody else.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2018 02:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mr. Rich Kid phony bone spurs fraudulent military deferment. Even the so called military school he went to to get some discipline wasn't really a military school. It was a fancy private school for rich kids where they mostly dressed up like soldiers.
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| MFS62 Aug 27 2018 07:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The five time draft dodger doesn't even know how to properly color our flag:
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| Ashie62 Aug 27 2018 07:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Like that move Taps? with Timothy Hutton and Tom Cruise
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2018 10:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don't forget that his family's claimed American-ness is due to his Drumpfy grandfather's turn-of-century draft-dodging.
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| Fman99 Aug 28 2018 05:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This embarrassment of a president still has a 90% approval rate among voters of his own party. How is that possible? Aren't there people that are registered Republicans who can also see what a shit show this is? I don't get this.
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| Edgy MD Aug 28 2018 07:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm gleaning that (1) fewer people are identifying as Republicans in phone polls, and (2) them that stalwartly remain are more convinced that his embattled-ness represents a conspiracy against true believers like themselves.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 28 2018 08:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Almost half of all Americans can't pay for their basic needs. Some bull economy. I guess I get the "bull" part.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 28 2018 09:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, that 'has the support of 90% of Republicans' number is a bit bogus. I never heard news articles headlining what percentage of Democrats supported Obama. It's almost like they want to say, 'see, he's still popular somehow!' even if it's only with a small percentage of the overall population. Now there is also a percentage of Americans who basically say, 'Things aren't working for me, let's stir shit up', that went for Trump in a big way. Some are at least nominally Democrats. You put these two groups together and you get a rough approximation of 'the base'.
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| Edgy MD Aug 28 2018 12:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Does Trump have dirt on Senator Lindsay Graham, or has Senator Graham just lost his way without McCain?
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| Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2018 01:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Donald Trump apparently Googled his own name, and saw a lot of bad things. (Which shouldn't surprise anyone of course.) But that leads to this:
I'd like to think that this could never happen, but lots of things are happening that should never happen.
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| Edgy MD Aug 29 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Your GOP nominee for Florida governor.
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 29 2018 11:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's going to be a real 'base' race. Gillum, the Democrat, is an unabashed liberal. DeSantis hugs Trump so tight that Devin Nunes is jealous. I would give DeSantis the edge even with that blatantly fellating Trump ad. There are a lot of people in Florida who won't vote for a black person (but won't say so in polite company).
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2018 12:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No surprise there. Florida was a slavery state and then a Jim Crow state. And every single day, I seem to learn more and more how persistent and deep-rooted these racist attitudes are. Especially with this vile and repugnant person who occupies the White House running the country. I dont expect anything good to come from Florida, which is as politically corrupted as can be.
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| seawolf17 Aug 29 2018 12:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, I think this is probably right. I'd love to see Florida prove me wrong, but I somehow doubt it.
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| seawolf17 Aug 29 2018 12:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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OMG.
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| Nymr83 Aug 29 2018 01:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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oh come on. "monkeying it up" is a well known euphemism for "fucking it up" and there is absolutely nothing racist about it. nobody called anybody else a monkey.
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 29 2018 02:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is it well-known? I've heard "monkey around" (goofing off), but I haven't heard "monkey it up" before. But people who raise an eyebrow when they heard what he said are not race-baiting. Black people get called monkeys all the time by racists. And here's a white republican guy heavily backed by Trump who could've said that is opponent is wrong for Florida 500 different ways, but he didn't. Maybe he didn't mean for it come off that way, but then where's this dude's awareness? Does it exist? It's more likely he doesn't get how words can have different meanings in different contexts when spoken by different people, or he doesn't give a shit whatsoever.
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| Nymr83 Aug 29 2018 02:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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someone who is better at internet searching would need to see what googling the phrase brought up BEFORE yesterday because now this "incident" is the only result
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| A Boy Named Seo Aug 29 2018 03:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My left-wing Google with "filter fake news?" disabled shows 7.5 million results for "monkey around" but 1,450 for "monkey it up" (I did find a couple that had nothing to do with DeSantis, but almost all of them are his). Long story short, I don't think this phrase is well-known. It seems sloppy, short-sighted and shows no awareness of anything if he didn't mean it. If he did, then he's an asshole.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2018 03:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a racist dogwhistle ferchrissakes. He's counting on scumbags to rationalize it just like the pathetic excuse he got on this forum a few posts ago. Stop believing in fucking innocent coincidences. Jesus christ, DeSantis thinks everybody's an idiot and that because we can't read his mind, we can't know what he's up to and what he did.
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| seawolf17 Aug 30 2018 07:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Absolutely. Language matters. No, we don't know if it was "intentional" or not, but language matters nonetheless, and especially if you're going to be running a state, you need to be way more conscious of that.
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| Edgy MD Aug 30 2018 07:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's a well-known term, like "macaca."
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| Lefty Specialist Aug 30 2018 08:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As opposed to running the country, where you can apparently say any damn thing you want. The funny thing is, BLACK people knew exactly what he was talking about and weren't having it. Ron DeSantis seems to be a bit of a loose cannon. He was also a mod for a Facebook group that engaged in racist banter as well. Well until yesterday that is, when he got called on it.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2018 10:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's Monday so let's get back to some politics. Last week, I was going to post here about some powerful commentary I heard on one of MSNBC's shows. Today that commentary appears in a write-up from The Hill, so I'll instead post the article. The gist of it is that the GOP majority in the Senate represents just 18% of the population. We're essentially being run by a bunch of old white men without a college education who live in the most sparsely populated regions of the country. Hicks from the sticks forcing an extreme right wing agenda that the majority of Americans don't want. The Senate majority that represents just 18% of the nation will, by the end of this year, have confirmed two radical political hack SCOTUS judges who would never get to serve with the filibuster still in place, and who, by cementing an extreme right wing majority on the high court, is now poised to set this country back into the 19th century, eviscerating labor, abortion and a whole host of civil rights that were gained in the blood of its supporters. Oh, and those microscopic fetuses.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... ty-is-fake
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| Edgy MD Sep 03 2018 01:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bill Maher is neither funny, nor biting. Please keep him away from my Constitution.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2018 01:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Which is so besides the point. But speaking of the Constitution, in one of Brett Kavanaugh's writings that are being withheld under so called claims of executive privilege, Kavanaugh writes that the President, alone, should be able to decide what is and isn't constitutional. Scary. Seems to me that the guy you want to keep away from the Constitution is the guy who's gonna have final say over everyone as to what is and isn't constitutional.
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| Edgy MD Sep 03 2018 03:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think there are more than one person I'd like to keep away from the Constitution.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 03 2018 07:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wanna know how that 18% is possible? I just did a rough eyeball sorta back of the envelope calculation with heavy rounding. The population of California, the nation's most populous state, roughly equals the combined populations of the 21 least populated states. Those 21 states get 42 senators, almost half the Senate.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 04 2018 06:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hey, that's the system. It's not going to change. It was put in as a constitutional compromise. Just admit Puerto Rico as a state after 2021.
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| Edgy MD Sep 04 2018 10:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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“Mr. President, I’m afraid I just can’t help you.â€
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| Edgy MD Sep 04 2018 10:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Senator John Kyl looks to be getting the appointment to the Arizona Senate seat. That looks like a rubber stamp for Justice Kavanaugh.
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| Nymr83 Sep 04 2018 05:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Everyone in the legal field - as opposed to partisan politicians - have good things to say about Kavanaugh. I happen to think there were more politically astute choices (but Trump isnt very astute) - forcing dems to vote against a catholic woman who is a mother while attacking her faith as they did when she was appointed to the circuit court would have been better political theater. But K is a good choice and, unless Trump didnt vet him well (I wouldnt put that past him) and a huge skeleton shows up, this process is ultimately nothing but a minefield for purple state democrats and an election platform for 2020 hopefuls.
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| 41Forever Sep 04 2018 05:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I thought Sen. Sasse's comments about the state of Congress were thoughtful and interesting.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 05 2018 06:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sasse talks a good game but votes with Trump 86.7% of the time. It'll be a little higher once he votes for Kavanaugh.
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| MFS62 Sep 05 2018 06:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There are many other con (if you can use "dems" for Democrats, then I can use "con" as in convict) Judges he could have selected, maybe even hundreds of them. But he picked one who has gone on record saying that the President cannot and should not be questioned, subpoenaed or held liable for criminal activity while in office. It isn't hard to connect the dots on that one. Later
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 07:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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[url]https://www.afj.org/press-room/press-releases/nearly-500-law-professors-and-legal-scholars-sign-letter-opposing-kavanaugh There are others. There's a lot of discussion about how wacky and extreme his view of law is. and there is a crazy amount of documents unreleased or just released. This isn't partisan so much as it is fascist. The party in power is doing whatever it wants, paying only token notice to existing law and convention. Even if there wasn't all that other stuff, when groups of people like that propose someone, you can safely assume it's not a good choice for the country. If Hitler proposed a sweet little old lady who like to feed the local strays, you'd question it hard. And then when Hitler said "nah, don't worry about it." you'd question it harder. There is no way Kavanaugh should become, or still be, a judge in say, 2021. Democrats are going to cave though.
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| Edgy MD Sep 05 2018 07:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I agree.
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There have been noises to that regard, the process and order stuff.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 05 2018 09:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The fact that they're hiding so much of his record tells you all you need to know. The truth will eventually come out, but by then he'll have his job for life and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
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| Edgy MD Sep 05 2018 09:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know that this will happen, but if it does, it still has value to do it right. I don't think that's a matter of dotting I's and crossing T's. I think it's crucial to the republic that order be preserved whether or not guys you or I like or don't like get confirmed. It ain't about winning and losing, and treating our republic like that's all that mattered is what got us here. While the committee is publicly convened, I'd move that the committee take up up the nomination of Justice Garland.
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 09:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That last bit is an example though, of how it's damn broken. There's no winning or losing because there are no sides. The government isn't a battle between two groups of people. (I mean, it shouldn't be) The party in power, which shouldn't be a thing but when you have only two you cede some measure of control to a group of people that aren't really even elected. (republican leaders who can make fellow republicans fall in line, and/or big investors, and/or Putin) is skirting the rules, or working around them. We've reached the point where we need to break the leg again for it to heal properly, but I'm worried that all we're going to do is get rid of that big ugly wart and ignore all the underlying problems. The democrats are just the ref from Celebrity Deathmatch. 
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is all delusional fantasy talk and sadly, youse know it. All the more reason why the Dems should pack the court the first chance they get and if they dont have the gumption to do it, they deserve what they'll vet, which is 40 years of extreme retrograde arch conservative policies. And there's no guarantee that it'll only be 40 years because the odds are that both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will plan to retire under administration's that will replace them with like minded judges.
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| Nymr83 Sep 05 2018 11:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would respect the opinion of any senator who publicly states that as their reasoning instead of these bullshit attacks on Kavanaugh.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 05 2018 12:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well as for the 'bullshit attacks' Pat Leahy strongly intimated that Kavanaugh perjured himself in front of Congress and some of the documents they're hiding will prove it. I'd like to see where this goes.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 05 2018 01:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was half expecting Leahy to jump out of his skin and call Kavvy a liar! If there
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 05 2018 01:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The funny thing is that Leahy has the proof as he was on the Judiciary Committee back then, too. Grassley's withholding it on 'Committee privilege' grounds, but Leahy may just release them and let the chips fall where they may.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2018 02:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If the Democrats manage to take the Senate this November, they should totally do that in January. Garland was nominated by the President of the United States, and that nomination hasn't been withdrawn, so technically the Senate can still confirm him. (I guess Trump would have the power to withdraw the nomination. Oh well, it was a fun thought while it lasted.)
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| TransMonk Sep 05 2018 03:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, who done it?
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 05 2018 05:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Welcome to the #1 parlor game in DC right now. My wife is convinced it's Sessions. but I think it's Mattis or Kelly. Whoever it is will be fired 15 seconds after they're outed. There's a real Seven Days In May feel about this and it makes me uncomfortable.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 05 2018 05:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How does one get a ticket to this event? Might be fun to flip out
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| d'Kong76 Sep 05 2018 05:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Every time Kavvy takes a sip of water I wonder how all these
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| Nymr83 Sep 05 2018 06:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I read that they have released as much on him as the past 5 nominees combined. so everyone can twist the numbers to their liking.
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| Nymr83 Sep 05 2018 06:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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that would be incredible.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 05 2018 07:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A coward, who's out to save the GOP brand without putting himself/his career at real risk? A guy who cares less about the likely effect of this-- that an already-paranoid Trump assumes that anyone trying to play devil's advocate is out to subvert his office-- than about virtue-signaling? I mean, fuck-- real courage resigns, fulfills the oath of office he swore, and testifies, voluntarily.
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| Fman99 Sep 05 2018 08:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mattis or John Kelly were the names I came up with as well.
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 08:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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seems like the scuttlebutt is that it's someone on Pence's staff
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| MFS62 Sep 05 2018 09:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or Pence himself: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lo ... 1db3dec1e1 Later
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 05 2018 09:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's somebody who sees the President as this amoral, this addled, and this dangerous... and refuses to speak the truth with his name attached. Does it really matter who he is?
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 09:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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didn't say amoral anywhere did it? Just like "kids in cages are fine, but let's not actually nuke Mexico"
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| Ceetar Sep 05 2018 09:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But Pence is certainly possible, and it makes sense. Seems like the Times might not actually did it anon for people much lower than that.
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| Edgy MD Sep 06 2018 05:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure it did.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 06 2018 05:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's kind of funny that there are enough suspects to make a mystery novel out of but I wish the writers would strap one on and go 25th amendment already
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| MFS62 Sep 06 2018 06:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The New Yorker channels The Onion:
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 06:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ryan Lizza
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| seawolf17 Sep 06 2018 06:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I've been saying this for months. The reason the GOP hasn't moved to impeach is because they don't need to. They got their tax cut, they're getting the judges and the Supreme Court and Christian Sharia law, and they're able to easily ramp up voter suppression efforts to ensure that the system stays as it is despite popular opinion. Trump is a glorious distraction for them.
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| Ceetar Sep 06 2018 07:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They're using him as the scapegoat/puppet we all expected. Sadly, it'll probably work, in large part due to the two party system and the cheating, racist voter suppression stuff. Republicans that aren't evil racist assholes will still vote for the evil racist assholes because they're convinced democrats are going to take their guns or something.
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| Nymr83 Sep 06 2018 08:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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what kind of "strap on" are we talking about here? is this part of the 'peepee videos'?
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| Nymr83 Sep 06 2018 08:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm convinced they are going to take more of my hard earned money.
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| Ceetar Sep 06 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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yeah, to you know, support the country and community.
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| seawolf17 Sep 06 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, that's it. I think the gun thing is overplayed a bit because it's loud. (I believe) that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are logical human beings. It's usually about the money and about their disdain for social programs.
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| Ceetar Sep 06 2018 08:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well sure, because that's what the leaders told them. Meanwhile studies show things like funding things like planned parenthood decrease abortions, immigrants help the economy, getting rid of these programs costs more money than keeping them, etc. When Republicans preach 'keep my hard earned money' this is CEO-speak for 'stop taxing my business'. They don't mean they're going to decreases the cost of living (or raise the minimum wage!) for the people that actually do the work. That's just what they say to get you to vote for them. Like, adding health care for all would so dramatically decrease expenses for the lay person, but all Republican voters see is their net pay being 20cents less without noticing they're paying 10k less in medical bills a year. We get a small tax cut and the corporations get a huge one and the CEOs take all the money instead of say Comcast being incentivized to reinvest profits into the company, like say making their DVRs modern and great. Instead, if they wanted to improve the DVR they'll just raise fees. They're giving us a tax cut in order to allow corporations to tax us.
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| Nymr83 Sep 06 2018 09:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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just tuned in for a minute, it looks like the "white supremacist mexican jew" is sitting behind him again. the internet is awful sometimes.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 09:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Instead, they take my hard-earned money and shovel it to rich assholes who don't need it and do nothing productive with it.
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| seawolf17 Sep 06 2018 09:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trickle down, baby!
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| d'Kong76 Sep 06 2018 09:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Zina is a mesmerizing distraction.
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| 41Forever Sep 06 2018 10:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm a Republican. I'm not an evil racist asshole. I worked for Republicans, and none of them are evil racist assholes. I don't agree with everything colleagues and elected leaders said, did or believed, but that doesn't make them evil racist assholes. I worked with plenty of people across the aisle, and sometimes strongly disagreed with them. Never did I think they were evil racist assholes. In fact, we found what we had in common and worked together on issues like expanding healthcare, creating job training programs and helping inner-city schools. It's easy to demonize people when we reduce them to insulting labels and inaccurate stereotypes. Oh, and I don't own a gun.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 11:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, I think we're all in agreement that Trump is an evil, racist asshole. He's also been a Democrat for most of his life.
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| 41Forever Sep 06 2018 11:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would strongly disagree. My experiences would indicate there are people on both sides who need to be enlightened. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/08/17/michigan-legislator-apologizes-for-racial-slurs-against-state-rep-stephanie-chang/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cf423941d356
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 11:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The "some on both sides" argument doesn't refute the "most on one side" argument.
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| Fman99 Sep 06 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How does a Republican with a conscience defend the gerrymandering efforts? Voter restriction efforts? Not giving Merrick Garland a hearing? Subverting the democratic process to preserve their own majority? How do you go to bat for all that?
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 11:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Pence is the one guy that Trump can't fire!
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2018 11:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2018 11:56 AM |
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Defend the gerrymandering? Are you kidding me? His beloved scumbag state, overrun by Tea Party extremists during the 2010 takeover because a black man occupied the White House is the most extremely gerrymandered state in the country after the even crazier scumbag state of North Carolina. There's a powerful grass roots effort brewing in Michigan to rid itself of gerrymandering and the scumbag Michigan Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to defeat those measures because his party stands for unfair elections. Anyways, unconstitutional gerrymandering will likely be here to stay once Kavanaugh's nomination is rubber-stamped.
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| 41Forever Sep 06 2018 11:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I went to bat for other things, such as creating jobs, building talent, education reform, infrastructure, building communities, expanding healthcare. Remember the gray areas. Each party has extremes. I worked in the middle.
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| Ceetar Sep 06 2018 11:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A substantial portion of those in charge are, without the shadow of the doubt, evil racist assholes, starting at the top. This has nothing to do with you. Not all Yankee fans are ignorant trash, not all men are misogynistic creeps, not all police are power-hungry murderers, but there are systemic problems that are troubling. It's not inaccurate and they don't even consider it an insult at this point. They're fucking proud to be racist, and that's the problem. We're drifting heavily into guilt by association here too. Yes, the random Republican leader may find the idea of LITERALLY ripping a child from their mother's breast, lying about giving them a bath, and LOCKING THEM IN CAGES AND DEPORTING THEIR MOTHER abhorrent, but when you do nothing to stop it, when you defend and lie and just generally ignore the courts and don't fix this, among other, HUMAN RIGHTS violations, can you really say you're not an evil racist asshole when it's so you can make 2.5 million instead of 2.4 this year? I'm not a democrat either, and I feel a lot of similar feelings about the entire damn government just basically "they're in charge, don't blame me let's talk about rules"ing the damn situation and I'm supposed to just vote for these people to get the overtly racist people out but how is that going to fix it? We'd be warmongering the hell out of a Muslim country if they did half the crap we've pulled the last two years.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2018 11:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, education, too. This administration proposed the biggest cuts to the education budget ever. And it installed someone to Sec'y of Education so ridiculous and unqualified, that it wouldn't have made a difference if Trump instead named Uncle Fester instead of Betsy DeVos to the post. I'm telling you, he would've voted for Hitler so long as Hitler promised to let the Federalist Society fill the judicial vacancies.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2018 12:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump hasn't done any of these things. And the GOP's the wrong party to vote for if you care about these issues.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 12:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bingo. As I said, Trump's been a Democrat most of his life. So there is the occasional Democratic evil racist asshole. Also, back in the day, there were plenty of Democratic ERA's all through the south. They eventually died off or became....well, you know. Pence would be a spectacular 'anonymous', but unlikely. He's 67 votes away from grabbing the brass ring and he's #1 if the Great Orange Gasbag retires/chooses not to run/has to visit his family in prison in 2020. Republicans need to feel shame. They've enabled this miserable excuse for a person. Every transgression they've excused, every norm they've allowed to be broken, needs to come back and bite them. Right now, they're the party of white supremacists, and that's because decent Republicans have ceded the ground to them. Sure, your neighbor who voted for Trump because he had an (R) next to his name may be a nice guy and your golf buddy, but he needs to feel a part of that shame, because America's being dragged into the gutter. The way to expunge that shame is to vote to restrict Trump any way you can; that's the one thing regular people can do. WE can be the final backstop, because Republicans in the House and Senate won't do it. And if they won't do it, there need to be fewer of them.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 06 2018 12:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, who doesn't?
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| cooby Sep 06 2018 12:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have a question
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 01:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The party can replace him with another candidate. Jimmy Carter was challenged by Ted Kennedy in 1980. Pat Buchanan challenged George Bush in 1992. And Lyndon Johnson stepped aside in 1968. At the time, he was being challenged by Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy, with Hubert Humphrey (the eventual nominee) poised to step in as well.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 01:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, right?
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| Nymr83 Sep 06 2018 01:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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On the other hand, Pence's job is the only one His Orangeness can't take away on a whim. Pence could openly defy Trump and he could't do anything about it.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 01:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right. If this is the first step in some kind of 25th Amendment coup, Pence is the one who would benefit the most.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 06 2018 02:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Thing is, the Trumpsters would never forgive him, and everyone else already despises whoever 'anonymous' is. So I don't see the upside for Mike Pence.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 02:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If he can get Trump out of office without anyone realizing that he was the one who orchestrated it.
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| MFS62 Sep 06 2018 02:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I doubt he'd be watching Game of Thrones but you never know. Later
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2018 02:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He's more of a 19 Kids and Counting kind of guy.
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| Fman99 Sep 06 2018 09:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I would put Uncle Fester in as Secretary of Energy, myself. 
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| cooby Sep 06 2018 10:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So he has to actually campaign at some point?
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| Edgy MD Sep 06 2018 10:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, he's campaigning, you can be sure.
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| MFS62 Sep 07 2018 07:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cory Booker risked losing his job for his principles.
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| Ceetar Sep 07 2018 08:04 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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he filed to run in 2020 within like a month of inauguration, this allows him to accept money from others in somewhat less illegal ways. I see no reason why he wouldn't get the nomination again, Republicans have to be thrilled so far.
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| 41Forever Sep 07 2018 08:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is utter nonsense. There may be some fringe person out there, though I've never met one in all my interactions. But to state that this reflects the people working in an administration or holding elective office is insulting and inaccurate. By the way, this is Michigan's GOP candidate for U.S. Senate. He won the primary convincingly. 
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| Nymr83 Sep 07 2018 08:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or, Booker knew the emails were already cleared so he just did a bunch of dramatic grandstanding for nothing.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2018 08:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So what? Mike Pence is a racist. So's Jeff Sessions. So's Betsy DeVos. And so's the president, whom you voted for. And continue to defend. So what's your point? Because this idiscussion is not about you and whether or not you're an evil racist asshole.
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| Ceetar Sep 07 2018 08:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't want see what some random Michigan candidate has to do with anything. It's not even close to inaccurate. It's not hard to find all the quotes from Trump, Pence, McConnell, et al about children in cages, immigrants, muslims, hell Pence staged a walk out of an NFL game! (and if you don't think whining about black people asking the police not to kill them isn't racist, you're deluding yourself) Hlilary said that that type of attitude is deplorable and they MADE BUMPER STICKERS with the word.
I don't see any logic that 'owning' that word after that is not saying "yup, and we're proud of it"
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2018 08:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Joe Arpaio is an evil racist assbole, who was pardoned by the evil racist asshole president that you voted for. Worsr.President. Ever.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2018 08:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think what he's saying is that Donald Trump isn't a racist because John James is running for US Senate.
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| metsmarathon Sep 07 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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is this the equivalent of saying "some of my friends are black, even?"
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 07 2018 09:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Tim Scott is a black Republican senator. So I guess the whole racism thing is solved, then. That's a relief.
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| 41Forever Sep 07 2018 10:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No. Not at all. He was declaring that the entire party is made up of evil racist assholes. If that were the case, such a candidate wouldn't have emerged from a primary for national office. I don't know what he is basing his opinion on. I've never seen anyone with the bumper sticker he describes. I don't know if he's had personal interactions with people in an administration or in elected office. But I have, and I've never met anyone fitting that description. My point is that its easy to demonize people once you've reduced them to insulting names and inaccurate stereotypes. It's better to talk about issues than hurl blanket insults. Aim higher.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 07 2018 10:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think anyone here is saying that every Republican is an evil racist asshole.
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| seawolf17 Sep 07 2018 10:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, at least one person is. (Not me; I like 41, and I know registered Republicans who are not, personally, evil racist assholes.) But the problem, right now in 2018, is that in an effort to impose conservative laws and regulations, Republicans are signing off on a lot of ugly, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, whateverelseophobic things, and that's become inexcusable to me. I have never had an issue with conservative politics. It's another viewpoint; there's always a middle ground, always a spot on the spectrum. But the GOP has pulled SO FAR right that any response from the left isn't enough to counterbalance it. And everything has become black or white -- either you're with us or against us, on every issue, and the middle ground seems to be indistinguishable with the incredible volume (both in quantity and in loudness) of information we're accosted with daily.
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| Ceetar Sep 07 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And they're cheating to such extent that it doesn't even matter that they don't even represent most registered republicans, who DON'T support kids in cages, banning same sex marriage, etc.
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| seawolf17 Sep 07 2018 11:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right? The whole "wrong side of history" thing becomes stronger and stronger every day. And in the interim, our coastal cities are on their way underwater, and the rest of the world is trying to move on without us but we're so big and so fucked up that they can't.
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| Edgy MD Sep 07 2018 11:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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McConnell is, of course, married to an immigrant, something that some of the Trumpier factions have come after him over.
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| 41Forever Sep 07 2018 11:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The leader of the RNC is none of those things. She's from Michigan, my very limited interactions have been positive and I've heard only good things from people who have interacted with her. I disagree with the President on many things. I should never have gone down this path. But every once in a while, when these insulting blanket statements are made, I feel the need to speak up -- and quickly learn that it's a mistake to do so. We are a small community that interacts so frequently that I feel like a know people -- even through I've only met about three of us -- and things become personal. They shouldn't.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 07 2018 11:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course not EVERY SINGLE Republican is an evil racist asshole. The 'good Republicans' have a share of the blame, though.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 07 2018 12:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was asking you about Donald Trump, not about some lady from Michigan. Simple question: Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?
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| Ceetar Sep 07 2018 12:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm starting to think we need a maximum age in politics, not a minimum one.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 07 2018 12:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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We probably need a minimum too. Otherwise we'd eventually have a President Honey Boo Boo or something equally absurd.
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| Ceetar Sep 07 2018 12:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, 18. If you can be sent to die for your country, you can decide if like, minimum wage should grow with inflation or not.
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| MFS62 Sep 07 2018 06:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're telling me my vote for Kendall Jenner would be wasted? Later
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| Ashie62 Sep 08 2018 09:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How's Bob Menendez doing?
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 09 2018 06:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Menendez leads Hugin by 6 in the latest poll. Considering that Hugin has been dumping relentless negative advertising on him for 3 months, that's actually not bad. Menendez will win, but it'll be tighter than it needs to be.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2018 09:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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... and the attack on Roe v. Wade is officially underway.
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| Ceetar Sep 11 2018 09:43 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm starting to think what we need is revolution, not democrats.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2018 09:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don't rule that out. That's what happens when a minority rules.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 11 2018 10:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, remember that they're only interested in regulating women's bodies, so they'll probably punt on masturbation for now.
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| seawolf17 Sep 11 2018 10:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Seriously. That's what we're getting right *now.*
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2018 11:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No kidding. They have three of the last five presidents yet they've won the popular vote in a presidential election just once in the last 30 years. The failing New York Mets, with just two first place finishes in the last 30 years have done better. The 51 GOP senators represent 18% of the population. And the 50 senators that voted to confirm the spectacularly unqualified fraud Betsy Devos represent 14% of the population. 86% of the USA, through their senators, voted against Devos's confirmation. Bring it on.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 11 2018 12:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, we're not at 'revolution' stage yet. If Republicans mysteriously win and it looks like the Russians helped and Trump uses the victory to shut down all investigations into him, well, then maybe we can discuss.
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| MFS62 Sep 12 2018 07:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/wat ... d_ms_fb_ma
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| Ceetar Sep 12 2018 08:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Isn't this literally a House of Cards move? Underwood literally took money from FEMA with a hurricane barreling down to fund a pet project.
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| MFS62 Sep 12 2018 08:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, and about that great job he did for Puerto Rico:
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 12 2018 08:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Watching Bob Woodward the last few days has scared the hell out of me. We are lucky that there hasn't been a major crisis hit us yet, because this government is not equipped to deal with it. Or maybe like Puerto Rico, they'll just completely screw it up and declare victory anyway.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2018 09:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have a hunch that this administration will do a good job handling Florence. Because it's, you know, Trump supporting white people in the red Carolinas instead of spanish speaking brown people who aren't even on the mainland. And the $10M moved to ICE was an infinitesimal part of the overall billion dollar plus FEMA budget.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2018 09:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But on the other hand, there's six nuclear powered sites in the direct path of Florence.
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| Ceetar Sep 12 2018 09:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Didn't he cut the FEMA budget significantly already though? Yes, 10 million is minor regardless of the optics of funneling additional money to the gestapo, but the proposed 2018 budget cut it but like 700 million didn't it? did that get in?
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| Nymr83 Sep 12 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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dont they just request more "emergency spending" for these types of things anyway? the initial budget number isnt as meaningful when it isnt real
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| Edgy MD Sep 12 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, they can request, but it becomes ridiculously political when it hits Congress.
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| Ceetar Sep 12 2018 11:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure, you'r home's knocked down, half the town is underwater and there's no potable water. Can you wait a week while Congress gets around to authorizing more spending, actually spending it, and relief forces mobilized to your area? And those forces are lost and on their first day (Because they're enlisted from other areas and weren't prepping for the hurricane since they weren't even employed by FEMA at the time) In a normally at least basically competent government, sure. In a Republican government, especially this one? you're screwed.
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| Nymr83 Sep 12 2018 04:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That is nonsense. The emergency part of funding is already in place. It is the long term that will end up with requests for more funding.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2018 05:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And no taxpayer should have to pay for a tax cut that mostly benefits fabulously wealthy people like the Koch brothers and Betsy DeVos at the expense of our most poorest Americans, either. You think Mo Brooks complained about vacation homes in ruby red Texas when that state needed hurricane relief? Hypocrite.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope people aren't becoming numb and desensitized to what a vile, repulsive and utterly flawed individual occupies the White House. His outrageous lies and comments are so frequent that they're becoming cliche and losing their ability to shock the public.
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| Ceetar Sep 13 2018 11:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why? What if that 'someone' is actually a home pooled by 3 different family members, just barely, as somewhere they go for there barely adequate 2 weeks vacation? And anyway, the government forces homeowners to have insurance. The requested money was to FUND THOSE PAYMENTS. Jackson's idiotic justification was that the government should've charged them more. It's literally the excuse the mob uses when they shake you down for more money to fund a wedding for their daughter or something. "Yus see actually we were giving you a break like, and now times are rough and all, and like, we gotta be getting a little more for all the services we've been providing" This is literally what insurance is. you pay, so you don't have to pay.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 13 2018 11:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hope harder. I have nif's that have given up and are pretty much in the it-is-what-it is camp already. And the one's who support(ed) him are in the he-could-die-tomorrow-and-should-be-canonized camp. Weird times, who saw this coming 3-4 years ago?
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| Edgy MD Sep 13 2018 04:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, he wasn't right, and his name isn't Jackson. He was maliciously slandering people and pretending it was an act of fiscal prudence. You surely know this.
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| MFS62 Sep 14 2018 08:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Making a case for impeachment:
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 14 2018 09:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 14 2018 11:54 AM |
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Whoa.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 14 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Manafort agreed to forfeit $46 million in cash and property, so the Mueller investigation has now paid for itself.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2018 03:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kavanaugh's accuser has revealed her identity:
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| Nymr83 Sep 16 2018 07:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah there is no evidence whatsoever of an alleged incident that took place years ago and was never mentioned until now. So this comes down to who you WANT to believe.
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| Edgy MD Sep 16 2018 08:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I have no particular inclination to believe anybody, but of course there's evidence.
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| Ceetar Sep 16 2018 08:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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you mean what you want to ignore.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2018 08:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's see if the accuser even gets a hearing. Apparently there's an imaginary rule that exists only in the minds of the GOP that mandates a vote on Kavanaugh ASAP. Even though the scumbag GOP and scumbag liar McConnell kept Scalia's seat open for over a year during the Merrick Garland blockade and would've kept that seat open indefinitely and as long as they could have under a Dem president because if HRC had won in 2016, McConnell would have said with a straight face that the voters of 2020 need to decide who gets to pick the next SCOTUS judge.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 16 2018 11:21 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Republicans are desperate to jam him through, afraid they may not get another chance of Democrats take back the Senate. It's why they've taken so many short cuts and I'm betting this woman doesn't get a hearing. Thing is, where there's one accuser, there's usually more than one. Rapey guys rarely only do it once.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 12:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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She should testify under oath before the commitee at the earliest opportunity.
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| Ceetar Sep 17 2018 12:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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spoiler alert, Republicans don't actually care that he raped someone. Of course they're going to proceed. I mean, how could they possibly object to a predator in the court when they happily support the one(s) in the white house?
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2018 01:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is the kind of thing that can get you fired from House of Cards or Transparent, but doesn't disqualify you for the White House or (perhaps) the Supreme Court.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 01:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Can someone catch me up? When this 'story' broke he allegedly pushed
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2018 01:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Attempted rape. The claim is that he pushed her on to a bed, attempted to undress her, and put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. She says she was assaulted by Kavanaugh and one of his friends, but was able to escape because they were both drunk and clumsy.
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| Edgy MD Sep 17 2018 01:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think they have to be afraid of being wrong and acting unjustly.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 01:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Thanks, BG.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 01:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Funny how you state the accusation as fact.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 01:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ideally, they'd give the process time to play out - but this is all about politics now - just as Feinstein sat on this accusation for 2 months hoping to use it to derail things at the last minute. Republicans need to decide quickly if he is viable or not ("not" meaning that either they believe the accusations or believe they wont be able to 'resolve' them in time) and if not, move on. Meanwhile, the accuser should find a new lawyer. the one she has now said some pretty damning things about Paula Jones lack a case back when that was news
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2018 01:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The real thing that would determine if a Republican Senator thinks he's "viable" is if he (or she) calculates that there will be political blowback for voting to confirm an accused attempted rapist. A yes vote, particularly from a male Senator, could cost a lot of female votes, especially for someone who's facing the voters this November.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 01:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, if that is the criteria then just drop him now, nominate Amy Coney Barrett who, lacking a penis, would be immune to bogus allegations* (because while men are now 'guilty until proven innocent' in these situations that doesnt seem to have been applied to women yet so she'd be) and flip democrats the bird. unfair to Kavanaugh sure, but the alternatives move you closer to the democrats real goal of preventing Trump filling the seat *I am not calling this allegation "bogus", but the timing of it coming out is very 'convenient' and Republicans could prevent a recurrence by nominating a woman
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| Edgy MD Sep 17 2018 02:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think it's all about politics. And I think a rush to move on is as unjust as a rush to push him through. And it would be as much a dereliction of their Constitutional duty.
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| Ceetar Sep 17 2018 02:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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most people have never heard the name Kavanaugh before a few weeks ago, it's not really a surprise that the emergence of his name in the national discussion also brings up the emergence of all the bad things he's done.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 02:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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because he makes rulings you don't politically agree with? what other "bad things" has he done?
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| Ceetar Sep 17 2018 02:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, for starters, it's not "rulings I don't politically agree with" it's "inhumane rulings that literally threaten the lives and well being of people in this country"
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 02:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is the Ceetslogic that sometimes can make one crazy. No one heard of, knew, knows... but Ceets knows of blemishes, bad things and bad dude. But otherwise, he's pristine. Splendid, lock him up. Kavvy, not Ceets...
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| Ceetar Sep 17 2018 02:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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bullshit. come on. I'm talking about the talk that's been in the next the past few weeks. He's a bad dude. I don't know how you can infer otherwise.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 02:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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he is not a "bad dude" at all from any of the things that have been said about him until this one accusation.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 02:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's bullshit to me is if they had this 'info' two months ago they shouldn't
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| Ceetar Sep 17 2018 03:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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having someone say "my son was killed" and immediately turning your back and running away is just fine of course. Lying about all the shady crap that emails are revealing you did is just fine as long as you didn't technically perjure your self? avoiding answers the questions of the people that are technically trying to vet you? sure. uh huh.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 03:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Clarifying, I lazily didn't quote what I was responding to.
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| Nymr83 Sep 17 2018 04:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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oh yeah, i'm sure "spartacus" and miss "have you ever spoken to the hundred people at this firm and i'm not telling you who but io think you did" are really trying to "vet" him - not one democrat on that committee had any interest in an actual "vetting" process, only in attacks and scoring political points.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 05:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Public hearing Monday with both accuser and accused present. This will
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2018 05:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course they should've sat on this info as long as possible. Which they did. And of course it was premeditated. This was played beautifully. So beautifully, in fact, and on so many levels, that I can't believe it was a Dem maneuver.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 06:12 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ah politics... lying, deceit and obstruction of justice sucks. Unless it's on your side.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2018 07:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah. That's right. It's like when Todd Frazier emerges from the stands with a rubber ball in his hand, Met fan. I dont remember your outrage over Merrick Garland.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 17 2018 07:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You're scary sometimes, don't get you at all. [fimg=550]http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/oldandboring.jpg[/fimg] Should I answer that? Oh Charles, just keep that thumb moving!
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| Ashie62 Sep 17 2018 08:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How is a bad dude?
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2018 06:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Edgy MD Sep 18 2018 07:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's kinda sad to think he goes around with that dinner plate-sized name badge.
You said it. .jpg)
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| MFS62 Sep 19 2018 06:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The GOP has a leader who bragged about committing sexual assault, has another leader who cannot be around women, another official once referred to 'legitimate rape', and they have actively supported a pedophile.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2018 07:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/suprem ... nt-n911111
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| Centerfield Sep 20 2018 07:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The way I see this playing out, no one will be able to "prove" these allegations, and so Republicans will just push him through, and Democrats will fall in line, and everyone, media, public, everyone, will forget that he was a terrible candidate before the rape allegations.
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| Edgy MD Sep 20 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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An inquiry of two or three days may not prove anything, but it could go a long way toward substantiating the allegations. And it could certainly disprove them. Refraining from further inquiries only lends her more credibility in my mind.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2018 10:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's your definition of "proved it"? A Senate hearing wouldn't have the standards of proof of a criminal or even a civil trial. But even in those courtroom trials, there's rarely indisputable and irrefutable proof. The jury typically decides which of opposing theories are more credible.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 20 2018 11:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I was pretty skeptical and suspicious of this allegation at first, but have come
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| Ceetar Sep 20 2018 11:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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fuck his distinguished career that was build on oppression and stepping on others.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 20 2018 11:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You obviously know more about him, and ya know, more about everything
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 20 2018 11:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Unfortunately this is a he-said, she said. There's not a lot of hard proof even though there are circumstantial items. And Republicans are sure to rake her over the coals just to show any other women who might be on the fence what they can expect.
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| Ceetar Sep 20 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just imagine the one girl he had his way with when he was younger is a reflection on his character and can just imagine all the damage he's left in his wake. Maybe it wasn't all sexual assault stuff, but that toxic masculinity stuff has other consequences. So I don't really shed a tear that this alpha male asshole might not get an even bigger, more important job.
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| metsmarathon Sep 20 2018 12:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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not to be that guy, but this is an incredibly one-sided view of things. yeah, it sucks for some powerful, successful man to find himself halted in his pursuit of ever more powerfulness by some stupid shit he did when he was younger, when it hasn't affected his life a damned whit. what sucks more is that the person to whom that stupid shit was done to, unwillingly, is all too often haunted by that little transgression for the remainder of their adult lives. they are brought down daily - emotionally, physically, psychologically - by the lingering aftereffects of that powerful dude's actions. many are crushed by it. oh, think of the poor guy who won't reach his pinnacle! no! thing of the poor girl (and often, girls) who are destroyed and cast aside. told they don't matter. they did something wrong. they're not worthy of real love. nobody believes them. and so on and so forth. think too of what this says. rape all you want, juvenile boys - you can still be on the fucking supreme court if you do it all before your 18th! hell, there's a good damned chance you won't even get in trouble for it when you're young. but when you're old - bammo! impunity! think too what it says for any girl or woman who was ever or ever will be assualted. "nobody fucking cares about your trauma." your assailant can go on to be president of the united states of america, or can sit on its supreme court. and if you seek legal retribution... well, there's a supreme court justice who's just plain not on your side. let alone half of our legislative government, its executive branch, and nearly 50% of the voting population. i mean, fuck. i'm so glad i'm a dude. i guess i should wish that i had raped and assaulted girls back in high school. think of all the action i could have gotten - and with no lasting consequence, to boot! i mean, not for me at least. the girls lives might've gotten ruined, but who gives a shit - they're only women. sorry, kc. i'm unloading on you here, and likely unfairly. i don't mean to necessarily ascribe the above viewpoint to you, but it is indeed what the attitude of excusing "boys will be boys" bullshit without thinking for even a moment of the impact those "boys" had on their victims. yeah, this partiuclar one happens to be a doctor. but that doesn't mean she didn't have a troubled life, difficulty in relationships, and emotional, physical, and/or psychological trauma. she just had more to overcome. and poor judge kavanaugh! he just only might not get a promotion from the near-peak of his profession to the all-the-way peak of his profession. the horror.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 20 2018 01:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No apology necessary, I have the utmost respect for you and your views.
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| Edgy MD Sep 20 2018 01:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I disagree. There's plenty of substance that could be uncovered (in support of either contention) in a three-day investigation. "Proof" is not the standard, let alone hard proof. What we're entitled to is a full and complete gathering of relevant information to be assessed by a Senate taking their Constitutional advise-and-consent duty seriously. Like Kase, I was skeptical but am now growing more confident in her account. I'm nonetheless perfectly prepared to see a full inquiry absolve him. The resistance to a full inquiry is really what makes me more suspicious of the guy. He should be shouting from the rooftops demanding one.
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| d'Kong76 Sep 20 2018 01:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let me add, you're spot on and thank you.
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| Ceetar Sep 20 2018 01:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He also apparently belonged to a fraternity with a long history of sexual abuse and misogyny.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2018 01:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Tit and Clit club.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2018 02:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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'No accident' Brett Kavanaugh's female law clerks 'looked like models', Yale professor told students
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 20 2018 09:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Here's the thing... if he knows-- or is reasonably sure-- there's nothing to these allegations, then it behooves him to agree to a 2-4 day FBI investigation. In that case, thanks to the statute of limitations' likely precluding any possible criminal charges from anything that might emerge, an investigation can probably ONLY help him. It would clear him in the eyes of his family, colleagues, and the public... and more or less remove the cloud of personal-conduct-related doubt from his pending role as one of nine moral arbiters for the nation.
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| Edgy MD Sep 20 2018 09:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right? It's that simple. Here, Justice Kavanaugh, I wrote your statement.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2018 10:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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shut up, Kavanaugh
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 21 2018 01:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not saying I don't believe her. But this isn't a court of law, it's politics. This guy lied about seeing stolen documents that were taken from committee members who are still on the committee. If he can get away with that, then, by golly, he can get away with a little teenage rape. Not to trivialize it, but the fix is in here. A full examination of Brett Kavanaugh would have disqualified him even before these allegations came out. That's why a full examination was never permitted, and he'll be hustled onto the Court as quick as they can shove him through.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 21 2018 02:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Totally agree with every word of this. The fix was in a while ago. (You left out the part about 90% of the Kavanaugh documents being totally withheld. What are they hiding?) There are no real rules here. It's a totally wild wild west where whichever party controls the senate makes it all up as they go along and more or less, does whatever it wants to do. Especially when the scumbag GOP is the senate majority. And then you have Amy Klobuchar for the Dems, whose genius idea is to reinstate the SCOTUS filibuster as soon as the Dems are back in power. To make it harder instead of easier for the Dems to place a judge on the SCOTUS. As if that would stop the GOP from nuking the SCOTUS filibuster as soon as they're back in power. Kavanaugh is in unless high definition pornographic video emerges of the incident. And even if Kavanaugh's out, there's 10 chorus lines worth of Kavanaugh clones with the same retrogade ideology waiting in the wings. Even if the Dems take back the senate, the GOP has the whole lame duck session to ram another scumbag judge onto the court. This is all so anti-climactic. This was all an inevitability and a total lost cause for the liberals the day Trump beat HRC. These issues were conclusively decided not now, but almost two years ago.
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| Edgy MD Sep 21 2018 06:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The issue is about whether or not there should be an inquiry. The statement was about whether anything substantive could be uncovered to make this more than a he-said, she-said. I think something can and it's worthwhile to inquire.
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| MFS62 Sep 21 2018 06:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's what I find interesting. Trump has gone from full public support to "let's see what she has to say, then we'll decide what to do". I think it he finally realizes that if he can find another nominee who believes a President can't be prosecuted, he will drop Kavanaugh like a hot potato and nominate that other person. And all the investigations will become moot. Later
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| Nymr83 Sep 21 2018 07:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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comparing looking at papers that someone else stole to attempted rape is, in fact, trivializing rape.
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| Edgy MD Sep 21 2018 08:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, he's comparing it to lying to Congress under oath, for whatever that's worth.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2018 08:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I've seen more than one comment that suggests that Ford isn't attractive enough for someone to attempt to rape her.
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| Ceetar Sep 21 2018 08:57 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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nearly 63 million people said "Won't you be our president?" to that.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 21 2018 09:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's getting batshit crazy. Here come the wingnuts. Ed Whelan proposes nutjob theory that perhaps there was an attempted rape on Prof. Ford, but that she's mistaken her actual abuser for Kavanaugh. Here's where it gets even crazier: Kavanaugh might secretly be in on the creation and dissemination of this batshit rumor.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 21 2018 04:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hey you! Mr. Al Franken should resign. Should Kavanaugh step down? Would you confirm him, being that you wrote that Franken should've resigned before a hearing was even held? And that was no attempted rape on Franken's part.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 22 2018 01:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's leaking in the Times that Rod Rosenstein talked about wearing a wire in the Oval Office and invoking the 25th Amendment.
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| Ashie62 Sep 22 2018 06:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Not in the states the gave Trump the victory
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2018 03:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kavanaugh'd be out if he ever got a blow job from Monica Lewinsky.
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| Edgy MD Sep 22 2018 03:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Congressman Paul Gosar is going to have an awkward Thanksgiving.
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| MFS62 Sep 22 2018 07:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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As he should. Later
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 23 2018 08:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The other shoe's name is Debbie Ramirez.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2018 03:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Michael Avenatti apparently has at least one person warming up in the bullpen...….
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| Edgy MD Sep 24 2018 09:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Shortest story in CNN history:
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| Ceetar Sep 24 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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CNN really wanted to be #first with that.
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| Edgy MD Sep 24 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Washington Post has him offering to resign:
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 24 2018 11:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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False alarm. For now.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2018 09:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kavanaugh saying that he couldn't have attempted to rape anyone while he was in high school, because he was still a virgin at the time.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 25 2018 09:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You can hold a fifteen year old down, try to take her clothes off, put your hand over her mouth when she tries to scream, and still be a virgin. Same thing with flashing your schwanz in a college freshman's face.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2018 09:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He's so pathetic. And desperate. Yesterday, Kavanaugh begged his case to the voters in a scripted and prepared interview on FOX. How embarrassing for that court.
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| Lefty Specialist Sep 25 2018 10:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump bragged about all his great accomplishments at the UN today.
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| metsmarathon Sep 25 2018 01:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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that's the best news i've heard all year.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 25 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just wish the laughter was more uproarious.
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2018 04:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If Kavanaugh's nomination fails and the Dems take back the Senate in six weeks, how much time would the GOP need to confirm another Trump SCOTUS nominee during the lame duck session?
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| batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2018 11:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018 ... ats-853456
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| Ashie62 Sep 29 2018 04:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Getting Trump's financial documents has been water under the bridge for some time
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| Fman99 Oct 01 2018 07:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can't help but read stuff like this.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 02 2018 07:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bob Mueller's had them for quite a while.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 03 2018 02:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Poll: Amid Kavanaugh Confirmation Battle, Democratic Enthusiasm Edge Evaporates According to the article, it's not that Democrats are less enthusiastic about the election, but that Republicans are starting to get more fired up. I guess they're enjoying Lindsey Graham's rabid dog act.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2018 02:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In the Russian collusion Mueller investigation, always follow the dead bodies.
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| TransMonk Oct 04 2018 03:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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WI, MI and PA all have Democrat senators running for re-election in November. These senators all currently have double-digit leads in the polls. They will all vote “no†on Kavanaugh. Those are the races I’ll watch to see if the Kavanaugh fight is going to fire up Republican voters. I would expect to see those poll numbers tighten.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 04 2018 06:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Um, it's one poll. I'm not panicking yet. Democrats have had a pretty consistent lead in the generic poll of anywhere from 7 to 10 points. Now I didn't get crazy when a poll showed them up by 14 because it seemed like an outlier. I think this one will be an outlier, too.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2018 09:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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PA or MI or WI may not be where the biggest potential Democrat uh-oh lives.
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| Ceetar Oct 05 2018 07:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Everyone someone tells me "If you don't like it, vote!" is telling me "Rah rah! Bob Menendez!" "You should be excited to turn out to vote for Bob Menendez!" And somehow doesn't see that this is a problem.
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| MFS62 Oct 05 2018 07:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Looks like Donald didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize. And just look at what the winners won for:
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 05 2018 08:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not excited about voting for Bob Menendez. But Hugin is a Trump suck-up. The choice is pretty clear. I had my moment of making a difference yesterday. One of the people who works for me is from Tennessee and hasn't changed their voter registration. I got get to sign up for an absentee ballot so she can vote for Phil Bredesen. And I'll keep checking that she sends it back. If he wins by one vote, that was me.
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| Ceetar Oct 05 2018 08:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Exactly. There is no choice. So how do you actually get people engaged? (I get that there are other things we're voting for. Gottheimer or whatever might be a close race,etc) None of this "well, we gotta get the bad guys out" that's not exciting. that doesn't promote interest and engagement in the process. You're not going to significantly increase turnout that way. People want to be invested. Think of it like the playoffs. We want the Yankees to fucking lose, but that's not going to get me me to buy an Astros Osuna t-shirt and go to the games and cheer them on. Our 'choice' of Menendez was made for us by him and a group of establishment democrats. The system is set up so that there aren't really legitimate 'other' choices. This is the failing of the democrats, allowing guys like this to run again on their ticket. It's putting aloe on your sunburn while still sitting out in the sun. Run the damn person that's going to find some shade.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 05 2018 09:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, he's the incumbent Senator, so he can run again if he wants. He didn't have a serious primary challenger.
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| Ceetar Oct 05 2018 09:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 05 2018 09:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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But the last time there wasn't any choice, you voted for Jill Stein.
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| Ceetar Oct 05 2018 11:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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no i didn't.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's revisit some of those posts in this thread from June 27. Well I hope you're satisfied with the checks and balances that the House of Representatives imposed on Kavanaugh's nomination and confirmation process. His rulings will affect almost 40 million Californians and barely three quarters of a million Wyomingians. But those two states each get the same number of senators --two-- that had a say in his confirmation thanks to our horribly outdated and absurd method of governance. Don't even get me started on the electoral college.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2018 10:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is horseshit thinking, for several reasons. First off all, California's population is about the size of England's. And it's not just the ratio of California residents to those of Wyoming or Virginia. California's population is about the same as that of the 21 least populous states combined. There's no way the founders could have conceived of this population growth pattern. California didn't even exist when the Constitution was drafted. And to the extent that the founders might've known what they were doing on all matters, the Constitution is over 200 years and outdated in many key respects. It's way overdue for an update. Jeez, unless you were a white male, you wouldn't have even been allowed to cast a vote under the framers intent. And when you add the poll taxes the states imposed on voting requirements, that meant you had to be a rich white male to vote. Negroes couldn't vote, nor could women, nor could poor people or people of even average wealth. And they couldn't vote directly for their president, either. They voted for electors, who in turn, would cast a direct presidential vote . So give me an effin break with the prescience and so called infallibility of the founders and the electoral college already.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2018 11:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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She's no count Susan Sarandon, I'll tell you that. I might even become a fan of hers. I'll definitely stop making fun of her.
[fimg=666]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/08/arts/08xp-swift1/08xp-swift1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp[/fimg] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/arts ... =701519256
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2018 12:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Here's an excerpt from Taylor's instagram post:
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 09 2018 12:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And just like that, a poll shows Democrats with a 13-point edge. Bazinga. Probably a little high, but hold the predictions of doom, please. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/09/politics ... index.html
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 09 2018 07:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So... Haley wrote the Op-Ed?
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| Edgy MD Oct 09 2018 07:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hmmm ....
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| MFS62 Oct 09 2018 08:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Have you ever noticed that when she talks she never opens her mouth wide enough to allow her upper and lower teeth to separate? Later
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| Nymr83 Oct 09 2018 08:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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that would really disappoint me as she is actually my favorite member of the Trump administration
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 09 2018 08:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I mean, she's also probably the least Trump Administration member of the Trump Administration.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 10 2018 05:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I doubt it. The impression was that it was a person inside the White House, which she was not. She might have sympathized, but I don't think she wrote it.
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| Edgy MD Oct 10 2018 08:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know where the UN ambassador operates out of. Are her home offices in New York, or at the State Department Building, or somewhere else?
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| TransMonk Oct 10 2018 09:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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From what I understand they operate out of NYC.
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| d'Kong76 Oct 10 2018 10:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pretty sure the main US offices are across the street from the UN.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The scumbag party that can only do tax cuts for the rich and voter suppression is on high alert as the midterms near, with brazen voter suppression campaigns in the Kansas and Georgia gubernatorial races, where the GOP candidates are suppressing the Dem vote and umpiring their own elections. In North Dakota, the new Kavanaugh court approves of a voter suppression law specifically designed to disenfranchise Native Americans who vote Dem overwhelmingly and who were the margin of difference in Heitkamp's (D) last senate victory. Meanwhile, the racist and partisan Dept of Justice won't get involved on behalf of Dem suppressed votes and the Roberts SCOTUS, now full majority wingnut continues to shred the voting rights act. And the GOP will get away with all of this despite the (vain) attempts by the huffing and puffing and whining impotent Dems to obtain judicial relief, what with the lower courts evermore stacked against them and the wingnut SCOTUS sitting on top of everything, waiting for the controversies to land on their desks. Bring on the revolution already, because the fix was in long ago.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 14 2018 05:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sen. Flake: 'Severe action needs to be taken' if Saudi government killed journalist
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 14 2018 06:52 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Please. Flake is all talk and then he votes the way Trump wants him to anyway.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 14 2018 08:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Senate: Affirmative Action for White People
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 15 2018 06:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Puerto Rico would be a lot easier than DC. PR needs to happen in 2021.
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| MFS62 Oct 15 2018 08:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politi ... story.html
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2018 11:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is part of the reason why nobody knows what's true anymore.
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| Ceetar Oct 15 2018 11:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Google News should probably ban that first one, since it's not a news site.
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| Edgy MD Oct 15 2018 12:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think there's probably ambiguity there. The promise was "And we will say, 'I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian ... we'll see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no but we will hold it for the debates."
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| Ceetar Oct 15 2018 12:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i mean, a response of "Wait, if you don't believe she's native american, why are you using native american slurs for her?" would've been interesting.
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| Edgy MD Oct 15 2018 12:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, he's clearly using the term sarcastically, to mock her for having claimed Native American heritage or status. There's no ambiguity there.
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| Ceetar Oct 15 2018 12:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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meh, let him articulate his idiocy and racism as much as possible.
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| Nymr83 Oct 15 2018 01:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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his idiocy is on display for all to see and i dont see any racism here, just well-reserved criticism of Warren.
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| Ceetar Oct 15 2018 01:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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nope, wrong.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2018 11:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He interrupted a ceremony belatedly honoring WWII Navajo code-talkers to call Warren "Pocahontas."
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| Nymr83 Oct 16 2018 10:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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An example of the idiocy. Still not racist because he intterupts everyone and everything, he is an equal opportunity jerk.
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| Ceetar Oct 16 2018 11:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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it's still racist to say racist things.
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| metsmarathon Oct 16 2018 01:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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on the one hand, he's an equal opportunity bully.
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| metsmarathon Oct 16 2018 01:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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also, god, this whole issue is stupid.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2018 02:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It really is. Can we stop talking about this and start talking about "Horseface"?
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| Edgy MD Oct 16 2018 03:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Or being the best friend of brutal authoritarians everywhere.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 16 2018 06:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Saudis really think they're going to get away with this. And they just might, based on the noises the Trump administration is making.
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| metsmarathon Oct 16 2018 06:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Of course. He’s wondering how he can dispose of troublesome journalists here, too.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2018 07:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's official! It's a movement!
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/1 ... plans.html
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 17 2018 07:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They should shut up about it for now. What's to stop Trump from appointing four new Justices tomorrow?
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2018 07:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Nothing, I suppose, so long as the GOP nukes whatever's left of the filibuster. But then the GOP forfeits their ability to raise hell when the Dems eventually retaliate by adding eight SCOTUS justices.
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| Edgy MD Oct 17 2018 07:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Executive time?
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 17 2018 07:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Really. Pipe down on this stuff before you give him any ideas. He'll probably still have a Republican Senate, so they could get creative.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2018 07:56 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The court already has a solid conservative -- arch conservative, I'd say -- majority. So the GOP won't benefit as much as the Dems would, if at all, from packing the SCOTUS. In fact, it would likely hurt the GOP in that they'd then have no grounds to complain about eventual retaliation by the Dems.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 17 2018 11:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Remember, this has already been tried once with a hugely popular president whose party controlled both houses of congress by significant margins- 74-18 in the Senate, and 347-88 in the House. Talk about your Blue Wave.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2018 12:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Totally agree. Won't be easy. First, the Dems'll have to kill the filibuster. And then try getting your Joe Manchins to go along with this and that. He'd rather wait 100 years so that maybe, MAYBE, the courts'll even out again. Because these fucking politicians, all of them, think that the main reason they got elected in the first place is so that they could get reelected next term. Dems'll need about 60 senators just to get a majority of 51(50) on this. So they'll probably need PR and DC. Hurdles. Hurdles. Hurdles. Now they're getting motivated. Not two years ago when it mattered. Then, they stayed home to watch that zombie tv show or voted for Jill Stein. Or not for HRC because she would've raped your little children in her secret pizzeria.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 17 2018 01:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hey, I've been to Comet Pizza. They're clean. Pizza's pretty good too.
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| Ceetar Oct 17 2018 01:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let's hope they fix the latch on the back door rather than just evict all the animals that got in and mop the floor.
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| Nymr83 Oct 17 2018 02:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Good luck cleaning up the messy booming economy with messy low unemployment.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2018 02:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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perhaps the dems can also give corporations another tax cut well in excess of what was sensible or even necessary
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| Ceetar Oct 17 2018 02:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Nymr83 Oct 17 2018 02:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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where do we rank now in corporate taxes in the developed world? i believe we were the highest pre-cuts.
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| Ceetar Oct 17 2018 02:53 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I know we're near the top in corporate tax loopholes that allow these corporations to not actually pay any of those official rates.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2018 02:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know or care where we ranked. But worth it to note the economy was racing *before* the tax cuts.
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| Fman99 Oct 17 2018 07:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Being an apologist for anything that's happened since the 2017 inauguration is beyond me. I don't care if every American in the country has work, if it's at the cost of a racist regime intent on only consolidating its own power base at the expense of representative democracy, then you've sold your soul. Same as every duly elected Republican federal officeholder.
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| Nymr83 Oct 17 2018 07:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Being unable to acknowledge the good that came aling along with the bad is "beyond me"
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| MFS62 Oct 17 2018 08:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Your perception is your own, and I respect that. But "good"? Nope. The President is a punchline, a meme, a random GIF re-tweeted by dis-enfranchised tweeners with too much keyboard time on their hands. This isn't about political slants, it isn't about partisan politics, it isn't about his policy or lack thereof, it is not about bias, it IS about the man and what he has done. When a person campaigns on the cult of personality, on the platform of soundbites, on the culture of transient twitterings then, by those very same standards must a man be judged. The Presidency, much as elsewhere in the world, can no longer be judged by traditional political metrics. We have gone way beyond that. We are now in the realm of those who shout loudest, those who rant most tirelessly, those who disparage in block capitals alone. The world is no longer in the realms of normalcy (by which I mean decency, discreetness and discourse)... instead we are in the thrall of distraction, obfuscation and weapons grade bullshit. You should be happy. You won. His merry band of casually or overtly racist, socially inept, screaming commie hating libtard bashing BLOCK CAPS POSTING uber unmensch have actually won. In the Kavanaugh thread, I asked who was happy that he was confirmed. Nobody stepped up to that plate. But it is not a huge stretch to imagine who among us are. You and yours should be happy with being Kings of the Ashes. And I fail to see anything "good" in that. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2018 06:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well said.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2018 06:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Some booming economy. People have less buying power today than they did 40, 45 years ago, because it's never how much money you have, but what you can buy with it. That Includes white collar professionals. And if you're blue collar, you'll likely won't have more than two months worth of money saved up, if even that. Thank Reaganomics, the bullshit and scammy supply side GOP theories that have been discredited over and over in theory and in practice, but that Republicans continue to defend so that they can continue to shove all the money upwards to the richest 1% and an out of control Federal Reserve that creates money out of thin air. So give me a fucking break with the splendid economy. Plus what they said in the posts just above that aren't yours.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2018 07:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Meanwhile, the GOP is pulling away from the Dems in every Senate race, including Arizona and Nevada. What a bunch of losers.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2018 07:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They currently have Arizona at 61.6% for the Democrat, Krysten Sinema. The trend has indeed reversed in Nevada, and Heidi Heitkamp has lost a lot of ground in North Dakota. And Ted Cruz's numbers have improved a lot in Texas.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2018 07:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sure, but the latest Siena/NYT poll has McSally (R) up by 3.8 points in Arizona.
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| Nymr83 Oct 18 2018 09:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Isn't Sinema the one who said she's ok if people want to go join the Taliban? Democrats may have found some shit candidates for their "blue wave" similar to how the tea party lost very winnable races with a bunch of losers 6-7 years ago
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Context is your friend. What she said 15 years ago was that Americans are free to do whatever they want, even join the Taliban. She wasn't advocating it. You're free to become a Yankee fan if you wish- but I'm not advocating it.
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| Nymr83 Oct 18 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Even with your "context" she is still nuts. You have the freedom to do many things, going out and joining our enemies isn't one of them.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2018 01:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Tell it to Trump.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 19 2018 08:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Dud.
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| Nymr83 Oct 19 2018 09:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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two wrongs don't make a right. Trump does many things wrong, non of which excuse things that others do wrong - especially things (like here) they did/said before Trump was even a politician
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| Ceetar Oct 19 2018 10:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You realize the Klan exists and hell, endorsed and was basically endorsed by, 45? That's way more America's "enemy" than the Taliban anyway, and is one of those things that actually falls under free speech.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 19 2018 01:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Americans, at least for now, are free to do what they want. If they want to grow an Amed Rosario beard and go join the Taliban, they can. It also makes them a legitimate target for drone strikes, but that's how the falafel crumbles.
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| Mets Willets Point Oct 19 2018 03:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A Super PAC that we can all rally behind!
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| Edgy MD Oct 19 2018 03:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's terrific.
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| Nymr83 Oct 19 2018 05:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So the Saudis have come out with their "cover story" saying that journalist was killed in a spontaneous fight at the embassy and they have arrested 18 people who of course they did not send to murder him.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 19 2018 10:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Here's your vile Republican (redundancy) Mcsally, unsanitized:
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 20 2018 02:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yikes, is this gruesome. Khashoggi's torture included the amputation of his fingers. And that business about dismembering him with a bone saw --- that was reportedly done to him while he was still alive.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 20 2018 05:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Saudis now say a 'fistfight broke out'. And then his fingers were chopped off and he was dismembered accidentally. Or something. There'll be a new explanation in a couple of days. Trump, of course, is buying it, even if nobody else is.
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| Edgy MD Oct 20 2018 08:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I imagine they have meaningfully incriminating evidence, but the whole thing? Did they have the whole place wired? Did they have super-recording equipment outside the consulate pointing at a window? Did they have an agent on the inside with a camera in his tie?
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 20 2018 08:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Turks had the whole place bugged. The fact that they said what went on almost immediately makes that pretty obvious. And the fact that Adam Schiff apparently knows the Saudis are lying after getting an intelligence briefing means the info has been shared.
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| MFS62 Oct 20 2018 04:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yep. Somebody was cleaning a knife and it accidentally went off. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 21 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don't feel like enforcing anti-discrimination laws against transgender people? Just refuse to recognize they exist.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 26 2018 09:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 26 2018 11:19 AM |
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Mad bomber is caught and shocker, he's a MAGA fan.
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| metsmarathon Oct 26 2018 11:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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wow. just... wow.
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| Chad Ochoseis Oct 26 2018 03:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A Seminole flag, apparently. [url]http://www.tmealf.com/native_american/Seminole-Unconquered-SPEC.jpg
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| Edgy MD Oct 26 2018 04:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Apparently the Seminole tribal flag is pretty close to the German tricolor. 
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| MFS62 Oct 26 2018 06:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm waiting for Trump to denounce him ... for being too liberal. Later
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| TransMonk Oct 26 2018 07:32 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Donald Trump has radicalized a terrorist.
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| metsmarathon Oct 26 2018 08:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ah. That makes sense then. It didn’t come up in my hasty google search
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 27 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 27 2018 11:53 AM |
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 Let's remember for a second that these were ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS. Had things gone to plan for the MAGABomber, two former presidents and a former vice president, a former secretary of state, plus sitting members of the House and Senate would be dead.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2018 08:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I know! I would think this guy should be charged with about 20 counts of attempted murder, in addition to whatever other charges might be applicable.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 29 2018 08:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Michael Moore had footage of the MAGABomber at a rally, but didn't use it in his latest movie. It's pretty much what you'd expect.
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| Centerfield Oct 29 2018 10:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Never in my life did I think that a mass assassination attempt would get such little coverage.
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| Ashie62 Oct 30 2018 07:47 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Seminoles uber alles?
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 08:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Meanwhile, the scumbag in the White House says that by executive order, he'll begin to revoke the birthright citizenships of those born to immigrants. Horseshit. It can't he done because that order would be unconstitutional. It's an election day get out the vote ploy to motivate the mindless morons that make up the bulk of his base.
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| Edgy MD Oct 30 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I understood that he was aiming at ending birthright citizenship going forward. Revoking citizenship of folks who are already citizens under jus soli would be a Civil War-level clusterfuck.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 09:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How bad would Hillary do in the 2020 primaries were she to run again?
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2018 09:25 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bite your tongue.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 09:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Bite Hillary's tongue.
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| Ceetar Oct 30 2018 10:46 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I mean, she'd win again, by more this time, because racists wouldn't be as galvanized "we beat her before, it's fine" and the current situation is worse now so it'll get more of the non-voters to turn out just to ebb the tide or whatever. That'll probably be enough to overcome the extra cheating the GOP has done via gerrymandering and throwing out votes.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 10:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is all plausible. But you can't gerrymander a statewide election.
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| Edgy MD Oct 30 2018 10:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It would depend on the competition.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 10:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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She gave an interview with Axios that was just vague enough on some Q&A's so that it could be interpreted that she's considering another run in 2020.
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| Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2018 11:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's the surest way to get Trump reelected. I think there were enough people who were simply voting against Hillary to tip the election to Trump.
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| batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2018 11:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is also very plausible.
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 30 2018 11:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hillary won't run, but it'd really be helpful if she'd keep her voice down for another week or so.
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| Ceetar Oct 30 2018 12:19 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No, buy you can do stuff like disqualify every native american voter.
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| Edgy MD Oct 30 2018 12:27 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Why is everybody suddenly sitting down with Axios?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2018 10:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Except, thanks to his stupid tongue, he's technically, stopped-clock right. You don't get to be a citizen of the U.S. for 85 years if you're born in Dominica or Paraguay. Y'know all that Conway/Sessions/Pence business about how the Pittsburgh massacre was an "attack on religion," and all that jazz? This thread from New Republic writer Jeet Heer does a great job of elucidating why it's so subtly dangerous. (Well, as subtle as any PR offensive that includes inviting a fake fake rabbi to pray for the Jewish dead can be.)
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| Edgy MD Oct 30 2018 10:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Will this Comey harassment hoax story gain legs?
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| Lefty Specialist Oct 31 2018 07:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's the Mueller harassment hoax. This has no legs. They were cartoonishly bad at trying to spread this and most of the coverage is, "These guys are assholes."
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| Edgy MD Oct 31 2018 07:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sorry, it was late.
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| Nymr83 Oct 31 2018 08:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The guy "representing" the woman (and who allegedly tried to coax others into lying) is the Republican version of Avenatti, only much dumber.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2018 02:18 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don't look back. Somethin' might be gainin' on you.
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| MFS62 Nov 02 2018 07:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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One Republican's view, a lamentation and an exhortation:
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| Chad Ochoseis Nov 03 2018 10:22 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That would be great. But I still don't think there's been a poll that shows Beto ahead at all. One poll putting him within a margin of error is not the same thing as "statistically tied", even if the innumerati in the media say it is. Nate Silver hits it close to on the head here: [url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-need-a-systematic-polling-error-to-win-the-senate/
To win the Senate, the Democrats have to sweep the five states that really are tossups (NV, AZ, FL, IN, MO), hang on in the states where the chances are good, but that aren't really locks for the D team (MT, NJ, WV, and the old Franken seat in MN), and pull one upset, probably TX, TN, or ND. If there isn't an error in the polling assumptions and you're just depending on luck and the usual errors that you get when you make estimations, the odds against everything breaking the Democrats' way are long - probably about 1 in 200. What the Democrats have to hope for is that the nature of the electorate changed. And there's a decent chance that will happen. Maybe this is the year that millenials really do come out and cast ballots. Early voting is way up, though there isn't any good information out there on who's accounting for the difference, except for one CNN article that says millenials are beating their 2014 turnouts in Texas and Georgia. If the kids show up and vote everywhere, the Dems might pull this off.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 03 2018 02:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think if Republicans hold the Senate otherwise, they would be deliriously happy to trade Ted Cruz for Beto O'Rourke.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 05 2018 09:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is me.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2018 04:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Oh, same. I'm somewhere between bourbon-fishbowl-florist and screamy-rake-mom.
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| d'Kong76 Nov 05 2018 05:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope I can remember to vote tomorrow.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 05 2018 07:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hoping fpr the best. But I'm expecting the worst. Because Republicans are dirty cheating vile scumbags. Intimidation at the polls. Misinformation campaigns. Voters who will suddenly discover that they're not registered -- they'll be overwhelmingly minorities and likely Democratic voters. Ratfucking techniques that we don't even know about yet, especially from those races where Republicans get to referee their own elections. That's you, Kemp and Kobach. Lessons learned from Florida 2000, but on steroids, that when Republicans have virtual total control of the state at the state politics level, there's nothing they won't do, no matter how sleazy, to cheat their way to victories, if that's what it takes. Recount hell in any close election where the Republican candidate seemingly lost, even if it's an election for local dogcatcher. And Gorsauch and Kavanaugh calmly waiting to have the last and decisive word on any judiciable controversy.
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| metsmarathon Nov 05 2018 07:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i'm terrified that i will lose what ever remaining faith i have in the people of this damned nation.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 06 2018 06:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| MFS62 Nov 06 2018 07:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don Jr was crying yesterday on Twitter about CNN refusing to run a very racist republican campaign ad after CNN refused to air it because of how racist it is. NBC ran the ad during SNF last night, and faced such backlash that they were forced to apologize and stop running the ad. Even Fox News has since stopped running the ad as well. I wonder if jr still thinks CNN refused to run it because they are biased against daddy.
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| Ceetar Nov 06 2018 07:42 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Continued my annual tradition of voting for Johnny Vander Meer (eligible except for being dead) to the uncontested local council election.
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| Vic Sage Nov 06 2018 08:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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come on over, MM. Losing faith is totally liberating.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 06 2018 09:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can attest to that.
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| Ashie62 Nov 06 2018 04:36 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Correct, and neither will Chelsea. That bird has flown
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2018 07:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Practically impossible for the Dems to take back the Senate with the GOP flipping Donnelly's Indiana seat. Also, Dems chances of taking back the House now down to 65% and if so, with such a small margin of majority that there'll be hardly any room for error when the new House votes.
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| Nymr83 Nov 06 2018 07:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"deliriously happy" is not the phrase i'd use. but as long as Cruz's seat isn't the margin of victory i'd be "just fine" with him gone.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2018 07:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fla. ballot measure to restore voting rights to felons passes. It was the most draconian law of it's kind in the nation, affecting about 1.5 million residents and most likely Dem voters. This alone, has the potential to make Fla. a blue state.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2018 07:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Cruz nudges ahead of Beto for the first time all night.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2018 07:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Dems chances of taking back the House shoots up to 90%.
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| Ashie62 Nov 06 2018 08:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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No Blue wave
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| Edgy MD Nov 06 2018 08:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The only wave i need to see is House control lost.
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| Ashie62 Nov 06 2018 08:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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NJ11 goes blue for the first time in decades
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 06 2018 09:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fucking Florida. First the Red Grooms debacle. And now Gillum concedes. A terrible loss because with three vacancies on that state's top court, DeSantis can set it for decades. And decades. And decades.
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| MFS62 Nov 07 2018 05:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder how many of those "disqualified" votes would have turned around the results in Georgia.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 06:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't even trust that state to tally up the votes honestly in the first place. Georgia has the most technologically primitive voting system in the country, purposely so I'd guess. It's also probably the most hackable. When Georgia zeroes out the votes, there's no more record of who voted for who. Racist Jim Crow brazen vote suppressing motherfuckers.
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| MFS62 Nov 07 2018 07:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Haven't seen all of the results, but someone on MSNBC just said that there were 10 million more votes cast for Democratic candidates than there were for Republican candidates. Of course, Rump said he won.
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| seawolf17 Nov 07 2018 07:19 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right, but it's not going to matter because the state will be underwater well before then, since DeSantis is such a dingbat.
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| Centerfield Nov 07 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I think this will serve as a good wake up call. A Blue Wave isn't just going to magically appear because the country has woken up and decided to renounce Trump.
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| Ceetar Nov 07 2018 08:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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right, like fixing voting. fixing gerrymandering. fixing voter suppression. Fixing machines, and lines, and ballots. adding early voting, auto-registration. I mean, democrats dominated the senate popular vote. To say nothing to running actually progressive, young, diverse, candidates. So much of 'trump supporting voters' are just responding to dog-whistle nonsense put out there by the media. They've identified as 'Republican' because they're told there are only two choices, and that they're at odds with each other. That battle is nonsense and undemocratic. I sometimes wonder if you dropped all the talking points and talked up progressive topics, if a lot of these folks wouldn't flock to it before Fox News could figure out how to say it's bad. Tell 'em you're going to fix mass transit, and reduce traffic. Don't tell 'em you're going to do it by banning driving and mandating self-driving cars.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 08:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, Trump won't win Michigan in 2020, for starters. He won it by a count's hair in 2016, but this time, the Republican scumbags that were running the state for the past eight years got the boot up their collective asses. They wont be around to put Detroit under a Republican emergency manager and throw out 75,000 Wayne County ballots. Plus, the stupid Michigan suckers who thought they'd get back their 50 dollar an hour factory jobs wont get fooled again. And in Florida, a million felons are gonna get the right to vote again. Guess who they'll be voting for and against? So that's a start. Probably can't win the presidency without winning Florida.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2018 08:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And while it won't affect the 2020 election, it looks like there will be more Democratic governors in office when the Congressional Districts are redrawn after the 2020 census. So that should reduce (or reverse) the partisan gerrymandering, which will resonate for the rest of the decade.
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| Ceetar Nov 07 2018 09:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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former felons. 18% of the eligible black population has had their voting rights restored. If 18 of them vote for Trump it'd be high.
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| Edgy MD Nov 07 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Too bad they couldn't have cast provisional ballots pending the outcome of that measure.
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| Ceetar Nov 07 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And the automatic registration thing is huge in Michigan. Don't underestimate people's laziness to find, and file voter registration. At least half the population will be automatically registered via driver's license before 2020.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2018 09:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Agreed. Trump stumping to keep Senate seats was practice for taking the Electoral College in 2020. They wrote off the house a few weeks ago and concentrated on flipping red-state Democratic seats. It worked pretty well, and I hope the party took notes. Now Democrats have to do two things. They have to investigate; the corruption is too thick to ignore. That can't be the sole focus, though. The second part is just as important- they have to pass legislation that makes sense for Americans. They need to lay down their markers, to show that they stand FOR something, not just against Trump going into 2020. Doesn't matter that it won't pass the Senate. That's not the point. One thing that WON'T happen is impeachment proceedings. Pelosi is too smart for that. And she's also smart in saying that she'll only be a 'transitional' speaker. She'll groom someone much younger, there are plenty of candidates. This gives the 'I won't vote for Pelosi' newbies an out. Last night was good but not great. Defeating Walker in Wisconsin and Kobach in Kansas doesn't quite make up for Florida and Georgia, but it's still good. The Senate's a little redder, but the Republican map in 2020 is almost as bad as the Democratic one in 2018. Democrats have a big enough majority in the House to actually get things done. Good things happened in the states. Impartial redistricting in Michigan. 1.4 million people, most of them African-American, getting their right to vote back in Florida. Democrats winning enough seats to break legislative veto-proof margins in North Carolina, and insuring the NC Supreme Court will not be controlled by Republicans during redistricting in 2020. Some statewide raises of the minimum wage. I expect complete gridlock for the next two years. I expect Pelosi will be demonized like you've never seen. But there's finally a check on this President, something that didn't exist for two years.
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| Edgy MD Nov 07 2018 10:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If Stacey Abrams doesn't win, imagine if her organization took their registration campaign to other states.
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| TransMonk Nov 07 2018 10:30 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It is very good.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 10:48 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Back to Mueller: the latest rumor is that Junior's about to get indicted and that Mueller has evidence that Junior told his daddy president about the Russian Trump Tower meeting before it happened, contradicting the bullshit Junior told Congress.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2018 11:39 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Indictment: It's what's for dinner.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 07 2018 12:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sessions whacked.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2018 01:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, things are going to get real interesting real fast. I'm assuming the new guy will try to throttle the investigation and bury it. Mueller's dead-man switches may come into play now.
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| Edgy MD Nov 07 2018 03:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Dead-man switches?" he asked.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 04:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Talk about your gerryamandering. The Dems won the 2018 House popular vote by just about the same exact identical margin that the GOP won the House by during the 2010 midterms, when the GOP picked up a whopping 63 seats.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 04:22 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Meanwhile, last week Trump was supposedly fine, so he claimed, with the Dems getting his tax returns, which he was resigned to happening. Today he's threatening every single hostility short of an actual civil war if the Dems dare investigate him. I'm worried that the pussified Dems are already secretly shaking in their boots and making plans to pull their punches. Not Maxine Waters, though. No holding her back.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2018 05:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Republicans will be playing a LOT more defense next time around.
How exactly does Rosenstein not become the new guy? (I mean, I know. But I'm like a cop-- I want the confession.)
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 07 2018 05:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Because that's not what Trump wants.
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| Chad Ochoseis Nov 07 2018 07:33 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Fortunately, we still have a free press that has access to the president and has the constitutionally protected right to challenge him without fear of retribution or censorship.
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| seawolf17 Nov 08 2018 06:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I know we've thrown around the phrase "constitutional crisis" a lot recently, but this, combined with the Sessions/Rosenstein/Whitaker/Mueller issues that seem to be about to peak, seems to be a legitimate constitutional crisis.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2018 07:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sen. Angus King was interviewed yesterday on NPR's All Things Considered and said that if Mueller is fired, Adam Schiff (who is to be the incoming chair of the House Intelligence Committee) can just hire him to continue his investigation.
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| Ceetar Nov 08 2018 07:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Probably, if enough people in "the resistance" have some backbone.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 08 2018 07:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg in the hospital... she fell and broke her ribs.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 08 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Cripes. BUBBLE WRAP
Yeah, and then when Sanders is pressed on it, that's when she reaches for her devolver. In all fairness to Sanders, though, we have always been at war with FakeNews.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 08 2018 01:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Heading to Times Square to march at 5 PM.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 08 2018 08:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I hope the Dems aren't content with simply playing a better brand of defense on this front. They should gerrymander the living shit out of every congressional district they'll have control over during the next redistricting cycle. The Dems' gerrymanders should be so outrageous, so offensive to democracy and so over the top that by comparison, the scumbag Republicans that rigged the North Carolina and Michigan districts will be made to look like honest angels. The GOP partisan hack controlled Supreme Court had the chance to declare extreme partisan gerrymandering unconstitutional but punted on it. Fuck them, now. Both sides do it but the GOP did it like the Dems never did. Plus, you think that the GOP won't do it again next cycle in the states that they'll retain control over the process? Not only will the GOP do it again in the states that they can, but their next gerrymanders will be even more severe and lopsided than this past decade because the tools to gerrymander are that much more sophisticated and efficient.
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| Ceetar Nov 09 2018 07:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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1 district for Buffalo, 1 district for Rochester. 1 district for Albany. 1 district for the rest of NY above Westchester. 1 district for Suffolk, 1 district for Nassau.
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| Ashie62 Nov 09 2018 04:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sen Angus Young & Gerry & the Pacemakers join to rock out on 'Gerrymander"
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| d'Kong76 Nov 09 2018 07:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Somebody or something has to reel this fucking asshole in.
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| Edgy MD Nov 09 2018 09:01 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I assume if the special counsel got fired, even if he got rehired by the house, the executive branch would argue that all the work he's done, the evidence and testimony he's gathered and documented, belongs to the Justice Department.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 10 2018 05:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Coupla thumb drives magically appearing in the offices of various state attorneys general with a copy to Adam Schiff. Done.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2018 01:28 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is my biggest concern, near-term. I wonder what Mueller would do, or has already done, if Whitaker asks for all the investigation info (to then pull a Devin Nunes and hand it all over to Trump)? I hope Mueller would defy that order, setting up a legal challenge to Whittaker's authority. Of course Kavanaugh and Gorsuch will have the final words though.
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| MFS62 Nov 10 2018 03:26 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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They might not need those thumb drives for the fight to be continued elsewhere: https://www.thedailybeast.com/feds-now- ... yptr=yahoo Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2018 04:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump cancels WW1 memorial at U.S. cemetery in France due to rain
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2018 04:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Apropos of that article, several law enforcement persons on the inside have already leaked to the press that if Trump weren't president, he would've been indicted a while ago. Still, I'm pessimistic as to what will come of all this. For now, they're all Federal charges, so it's unlikely that he'll ever be indicted so long as he's still president. It's unrealistic to hope for his removal after an impeachment because the Senate votes aren't there, and it's not even close. Plus, there are so many new scandals and outrages unfolding every single day, that people stopped talking about Trump's pardon power, which he will no doubt use and abuse if he has no other options. He'll even pardon himself and if anybody doesn't like that, they can go and cry to Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. I think the best the Dems can hope for, even with control of the House, is that they can beat him up enough to seriously damage his chances of re-election in 2020. That's about it. And when the midterms dust clear, we can talk about the 2020 senate map, which is supposed to be so damn favorable to the Dems, almost as favorable as this year's map was favorable to the GOP. Yeah, right. Whatever. I don't see it. The GOP may be on defense in 2020, defending over 20 seats, but it looks like they're defending mostly red states. I see a couple of vulnerable republicans, like about three. And don't forget about Alabama where there's no way Doug Jones and the Dems will hold that seat beyond 2020. So I don't see the strong Dem majority in 2020 that will let them do bold things, like packing the fucking courts that Trump will continue to destroy over the next two years now that the GOP has expanded their senate majority.
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| Nymr83 Nov 10 2018 08:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump has hit a new low.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2018 04:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Strangely, every other leader had no difficulty paying their respects. But any Trumpster will be glad to tell you how much he respects the troops.
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| MFS62 Nov 11 2018 06:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How can any of my fellow veterans remember what we went through, then look and that five time draft dodging wimp who didn't want to get his head wet and consider him our leader?
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2018 10:24 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What a vile piece of GOP shit. Also, I think every Mets game should be declared final and official as soon as the Mets take the lead, even if that happens in the top of the first inning.
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| Nymr83 Nov 12 2018 04:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The embarassment continues as Donald Duck isnt visiting Arlington for ceremonies on Veterans Day. I guess its too far from the White House.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2018 06:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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WASHINGTON — In the days since President Trump ousted Attorney General Jeff Sessions and declared that he was installing Matthew G. Whitaker as the acting attorney general, many critics have challenged Mr. Whitaker’s fitness for the job. Some have gone further, calling his very appointment illegal.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 13 2018 11:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And on cue, there are rumblings of new indictments coming down today; most likely indictments that Mueller's had under seal for the past few months. Grab the popcorn.
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| Edgy MD Nov 13 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm very glad to see the State of Maryland file against the Whitaker appointment, rather than waiting on a good-governance non-profit to do all the heavy lifting. I hope a couple of other states join with them.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2018 07:25 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Looks like Cook was spot on. The margin by which the Dems won the national popular vote for the House was greater than when the GOP won the house in 2010 and picked up 63 seats, in what Obama famously called a "shellacking".
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| Edgy MD Nov 13 2018 09:47 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well, 13 minutes left, Director Mueller.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2018 06:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Damn the lamestream media. What am I going to do with all this popcorn?
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2018 06:45 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I won't link to Fox 'News', but the headline is sufficient.
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| seawolf17 Nov 14 2018 06:51 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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McConnell is the shittiest shithead of them all. That fuckin' guy.
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| Ceetar Nov 14 2018 07:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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try 'propaganda'
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| MFS62 Nov 14 2018 07:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Lefty Specialist
We have a winner. Seawolf17
Later
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2018 08:35 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... e4501531c1
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| Ceetar Nov 14 2018 08:54 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Did you see where Fox News, Drudge Report, and Wiki Leaks have gone dark, stopped tweeting, or deleted timelines? for 5 days now.
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| MFS62 Nov 14 2018 08:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I never really thought about the term "a fool's errand".
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| Nymr83 Nov 14 2018 09:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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trump's rhetoric aside, those troops, or someone else (who?), are actually needed to erect temporary shelters and for other logistical support given the number of people expected to arrive at the border with asylum claims from the "caravan" - or would you prefer we tell them to sleep on the floor? that is the work they are actually performing right now.
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| Ceetar Nov 14 2018 09:06 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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well, there are people there. Border patrol, etc. Or you know, hire someone? or, CRAZY IDEA let them in.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2018 09:14 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, right. Because Trump sent the military there to give comfort to the caravan.Yeah, that's the ticket.
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| Ceetar Nov 14 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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fixed it for you.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2018 11:29 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That'd certainly be helpful. Just one little problem- the 'caravan' is heading for San Diego, and the troops were placed in Texas. This isn't about shelters and logistical support (because he doesn't care about that), it was about helping Ted Cruz and other Republican senators get elected. The troops were just a prop. And now, even though they're not needed, they can't be sent back to their bases because that would make Trump look foolish. So they'll probably stay there for a few months until the Great Orange Gasbag does enough other stupid stuff that everybody forgets about why they were there in the first place.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2018 12:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Apparently Fox News isn't always on the wrong side!
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2018 04:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Turning this into an interpretation of laws seems pretty stupid too; it's obvious he's been installed to impede justice by someone being investigated for having impeded justice!
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| Nymr83 Nov 14 2018 04:18 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Avenatti arrested on domestic violence allegations from estranged wife.
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| Edgy MD Nov 14 2018 08:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't know whether he is innocent or guilty, but he sure seems too big for his britches.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 14 2018 11:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And right on cue, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is blocking a bipartisan effort to protect special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of the Russia attack on the 2016 presidential election — prompting retiring Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., to pledge he will block progress on confirming judicial nominees. This pathological liar McConnell can't remember what he said five minutes ago. ----- This reminds me of the Adam West Batman two-parter cliffhangers. I know that when it's all over, Jeff Flake will not have done a godamn thing to protect Mueller or to block the GOP's crackpot judicial nominees. Because not to jeopardize cushy lobbying position lined up. I'm just trying to figure out how the bullshitting spineless Flake wriggles out of this empty threat. Susan Collins the typewriter, too. She's so fucking enraged over the GOP controlled Senate's failure to protect Mueller that she just might have to vote for Brett Kavanaugh all over again.
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| Nymr83 Nov 15 2018 07:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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and initial reports were incorrect, his estranged wife says she wasn't the one who filed the complaint.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 15 2018 07:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, Flake is a veritable tower of Jell-o when it comes to standing on principle. And since they held the Senate, they can just wait him out anyway. Nothing will happen here.
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| Ashie62 Nov 15 2018 03:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump be enraged as major Mueller shitstorm is close I would guess
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| MFS62 Nov 15 2018 03:29 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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That's quivering tower of Jell-o to you, sir. Later
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| Edgy MD Nov 15 2018 07:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Holy shit and shit and shit!
He will sell every last one of us down the river to save his skin. Hell, to save his lunch.
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| Nymr83 Nov 15 2018 11:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Was trump offering up Kanter? would his salary come off the books? what would the increase in odds of the #1 pick be?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2018 12:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Hilarious.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2018 07:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This the way Tony Soprano would conduct foreign policy. The fact that even after all this shit, 35% of Americans unflaggingly support this guy means that no other country will ever trust us again. We've proven that we can behave this way once, who's to say we won't do it again? We're a rogue state.
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 16 2018 11:52 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Finally Babe Ruth and Elvis Presley are getting some recognition.
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| Mets Willets Point Nov 16 2018 12:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The White House picked some award recipients who were guaranteed not to stage a boycott over meeting Trump.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ruth and Presley both died on August 16. (Different years, of course.)
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 16 2018 12:08 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Robert Johnson.
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| Mets Willets Point Nov 16 2018 12:11 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So we've got the Sultan of Swat, the King of Rock and Roll, the Queen of Soul, the Last King of Scotland, and the King of Horror all dying on the same day. That's a lot of royalty.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:14 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And Stewart Granger!
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 16 2018 12:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And the King of the Delta Blues Singers. Boy is Robert Johnson getting no r-e-s-p-e-c-t.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 12:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Mets Willets Point Nov 16 2018 01:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wrote my post before I saw yours, but yes, much respect to Robert Johnson!
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2018 01:37 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder what color crayon he used?
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| d'Kong76 Nov 16 2018 01:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Orange, of course...
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2018 05:00 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And by 'He' he means 'His Lawyers'. Because no lawyer is stupid enough to actually let him answer things himself. I'm sure they made sure their answers comported with the Whitaker leakage. No coincidence that they're finishing those answers only after they've had their inside look at the investigation.
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| MFS62 Nov 18 2018 06:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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More of the administration's assault on women:
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 19 2018 07:04 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"Lock her up!"
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| Edgy MD Nov 19 2018 07:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's like they can't walk down the block without stepping in every last pile of dogshit.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2018 08:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Except not funny.
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| Edgy MD Nov 19 2018 09:30 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What's funny isn't ever funny with this lot.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 21 2018 10:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Because for all the joking, the truth is that Eric is supposed to be the smart one of the siblings. It's no accident that he's the least involved, if at all, in his family's politics. ----- Bring on the vulgarities.
https://www.newsweek.com/stephen-king-w ... ok-1225864
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 21 2018 03:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Right back atcha, you scumbag piece of shit.
https://people.com/politics/michelle-wo ... rump-whcd/
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 27 2018 11:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Tick-tock, tick-tock......
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| Edgy MD Nov 27 2018 02:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It's tricky. Is he losing his witness, or putting further screws to him?
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| metsmarathon Nov 29 2018 09:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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so, yesterday, trump just threatened to declassify some sort of document cache that would be "devastating" to the democratic party, if they continue to pursue him.
these are all things that are less important than trump's ego, and his malicious desire to thwart his perceived enemies. dangerous times... proving once again that the person sitting in the office of the president of the united states of america is the president only for himself. yes, of course, it's certainly possible that whatever these documents are have been improperly classified in an attempt to hide crimes and misdeeds. if that's the case, well, they should be declassified immediately, as improper classification for the above is already illegal. why wait? hmmm? the other possibility, equally likely, if not moreso, is that trump has no idea what the word "declassify" actually means, and is just talking out his ass once again. i mean, he's always talking out his ass, so of course that's it. god it is infuriating that he's the head of our state and the commander in chief.
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| Nymr83 Nov 29 2018 10:34 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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this is the most likely choice. his ass does 99% of the talking.
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| d'Kong76 Nov 29 2018 11:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yes, his ass cheeks are flapping non stop 24/7.
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| Lefty Specialist Nov 29 2018 11:15 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Let him declassify things. It'll boomerang. It's like having Wikileaks in the Oval Office.
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| Edgy MD Nov 30 2018 06:32 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Congratulations to The Miami Herald for hitting the stands this morning with an astounding and explosive story about your secretary of labor.
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 30 2018 08:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Ugh, I read that yesterday. So many things to make your blood boil in that piece. The arrogance displayed in Acosta's defense of the plea agreement at his Senate confirmation hearing completely disgusts me.
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| batmagadanleadoff Nov 30 2018 09:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder how many suitcases and duffel bags stuffed with hundreds and twenties Acosta got under the table to sign off on that plea deal? This is why with respect to designer babies (and designer adults), science isn't putting that cat back into the toothpaste tube. You think there won't be plenty of doctors willing to take ten million dollars to give some bald middle aged master of the universe the head of hair he had when he was 17 years old? There are plenty of people out there who don't give a flying shit about anything if you give them enough money. As it is, the fucking Republicans are destroying the planet all for money. You think they believe the crap they spread about climate change denial? I don't. I think they know exactly how serious the threat is, just as well as the scientists know. They just don't give a shit because they're getting paid not to give a shit and by the time the planet becomes unlivable, they rationalize to themselves, they'll be long dead anyways. It's just the politically correct thing to do to deny climate change instead of copping to selling out the planet for a few dollars more. Which is what Acosta undoubtedly did to those minors.
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| seawolf17 Nov 30 2018 11:37 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This is entirely accurate.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 02 2018 11:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Everything he touches really does turn to shit.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 02 2018 02:03 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Differing politics is way bigger in a relationship than hating on your partner's differing music or movie tastes. Around 2006 or 7 I was dating a stunner whose company I generally enjoyed lots. And after about a month and half, she casually dropped that she twice voted for and was a big GW Bush supporter. It amazed me 1) that nothing had come up to that point to where we knew how each other stood on things, and 2) we fundamentally saw the world and its problems and its solutions differently. We broke up very shortly after that and now she is a super Trump supporter we would have been divorced ages ago I tried to ignore it, like I did her love of Keith Urban and "The Notebook". THE END.
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| Fman99 Dec 02 2018 03:24 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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She sounds hot. Hot and dumb. I hate on Fwife's tastes in music and movies all year long. She likes a lot of garbage. But on politics we're of a like mind.
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| d'Kong76 Dec 02 2018 04:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump is a whole different animal. I could share a life with anyone supporting
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| MFS62 Dec 02 2018 05:45 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I've been married to an MFY fan for over 50 years. Its tough, but you can make it work. We do agree on politics. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 02 2018 05:58 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Well I knew my wife was a Met fan from the jump. And she's even more of a Lefty Specialist than I am (yes, I'm the conservative in my household). So it all works.
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| Fman99 Dec 02 2018 06:10 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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My wife had a MFY hat when I met her but she didn't have any particular attachment to it or the team. I got her a Mets hat to replace it and took her to Shea and "converted" her. She's true blue & orange now.
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| Nymr83 Dec 02 2018 08:06 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Best Ad Ever
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| seawolf17 Dec 03 2018 06:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I totally agree. It's beyond politics at this point; it's about human decency, of which the man clearly has none. I guarantee that 13% number in that article is higher now.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 04 2018 04:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The internet is buzzing today with articles on scumbag Republican state legislatures moving in the lame duck session to strip incoming Dem governors of significant powers. And now the scumbags from Michigan pile on the latest dirty trick from the GOP playbook. They were shitcanned out of every statewide race so I guess the new Dem governor shouldn't have the same powers that water polluting Rick Snyder had. Only the Republicans are allowed to govern. Maybe it's time to kill the lame duck session. Among other things.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 05 2018 06:00 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, it's pretty scummy. And the outgoing governors will be more than happy to handcuff their successors. Just example 19,157,452 of why Republicans are anti-democratic, with a small d.
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| MFS62 Dec 05 2018 07:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In recent stories about the death of President GHW Bush, a word often used was "decent".
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2018 09:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Wisconsin, too. It's so fucked.
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| TransMonk Dec 05 2018 09:10 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm not sure why we vote anymore. Republicans cheat, lie and steal to gather and hold on to power.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2018 09:55 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The Blue Wave hit Wisconsin, too. Democrats there won every single state wide office. They won the popular vote for state congressional districts with 54% of the vote yet won just 36 of 99 seats. It was the Wisconsin lines that the SCOTUS punted on, so I guess this is legal. Next, the GOP will pass laws stating that the GOP candidates will be declared winners of their respective elections no matter the final vote count. It's the gerrymandering that allows the GOP to abuse the lame duck sessions because they retain their majorities no matter the election results.
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| Mets Willets Point Dec 05 2018 10:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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It should never be forgotten that Michigan and Wisconsin's outgoing Republican governors set the groundwork for American Neofascism well before Trump came on the scene. The fact that they're not self-promoting, incoherent blowhards only makes them more dangerous and insidious. My hope is that they will face legal action for their crimes against humanity, which is the main reason now that the GOP legislators are working so hard to ensure that there will be no accountability.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 05 2018 10:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Sounds like Wisconsin passed their power grab this morning. Unreal. I'd be disheartened and pissed if I lived and voted. I'm disheartened and pissed and I don't live and vote there. Such bullshit.
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| TransMonk Dec 05 2018 10:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I am. I do. I did. The tarnished silver lining is that Walker will be gone next month. The power grab passed the state Senate by one vote, meaning that every state Senator up for their next election can be framed as the "deciding voter" by their opponents. Wisconsin politics is pretty fucked up right now. It is literally the metro areas of Madison and Milwaukee against the rest of the state. There are completely different agendas and they are vehemently opposed to one another. I was tempted to join in the protests on Monday, but at the end of the day there was zero chance that this wasn't passing.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2018 12:13 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And like the two hit men in Pulp Fiction, Wisconsin got the job done In time for breakfast. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... ly-voting/ Nifty Ed Gein reference as Charles Pierce labels rural Wisconsin Ed Gein country.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2018 01:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... ng-rights/
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 07 2018 05:41 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2018 05:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Any of youse authors wanna take a stab at a political farce novel? Here's the setup: Mueller decides to indict Trump and test the legality of indicting a sitting president. The SCOTUS ultimately rules that a sitting president can be indicted. Trump is tried and found guilty --- convicted! But Trump won't resign and the scumbag GOP controlled Senate won't convict Trump in an impeachment trial. So Trump is still the president and has to run the presidency from his jail cell in an orange jumpsuit but without his orange wig, which is contraband. And communicate with his staff through the plexiglass, but only during visiting hours. Featuring Chris Christie as Trump's designated Big Mac smuggler. And Joyce "°Tilly" Mitchell as the hacksaw sneaker in.
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| metsmarathon Dec 10 2018 06:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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i think that as long as pence is unindicted, the gop will spin away from trump so fast and so hard it may affect the tilt of the earth. they'll then proceed to act like they'd resisted him all along. they'll gaslight the shit out of our nation in the hopes of saving what little political face they might retain.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 10 2018 06:28 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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All the Republicans on the talk shows yesterday were all "Nothing to see here." I'm not sure even finding out that Putin is Trump's gay lover could shake them loose at this point.
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| MFS62 Dec 10 2018 07:02 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I watched the movie The Untouchables last night.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2018 10:49 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know what, I think I like this more as a sitcom than as a book. I could see a catchy Gilligan's Island style jingle and opening that gives the whole back story from my earlier post. In Season One, Episode One - Hair Peace, riots erupt in the prison when the inmates discover that Trump is getting special privileges to wear his orange wig. The Aryan Brotherhood, natch, comes to Trump's rescue when other factions threaten the president's safety. Meanwhile, Chris Christie hatches a plot to use Trump's wig to smuggle french fries to the president. The plan backfires when Christie ends up eating most of the fries. Hijinx ensues. Do youse have any ideas for an episode?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2018 12:16 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I love this idea.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 10 2018 01:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Interestingly, Robert DeNiro has played both Al Capone and Robert Mueller.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2018 03:55 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In Season One, Episode Seven, the first of a two-parter -- Dial La Eme for Murder, Mexicans hate Trump. So the Mexican Mafia prison gang plans to assasinate the president.
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| Fman99 Dec 10 2018 06:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'm ready for term limits. Maybe these guys stop acting in their own self interest and preservation of income, lifestyle etc. if 1/3 of them is perpetually on their way out the door.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2018 11:51 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In Pardon my Sarong, (Season One, Episode Nine), Trump promises to grant fellow inmate Paul Manafort a presidential pardon and to commute his sentence if Manafort gives Trump private belly dances while wearing nothing but a see through sarong. Through the magic of the latest CGI technology, special guest appearances by Bud Abbott and Lou Costello as a couple of dim witted but lovable corrections officers.
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| Edgy MD Dec 11 2018 05:21 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I don't think so. Most of them make far more money after they leave Congress.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 09:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2018 11:44 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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OMG, Trump just had a hissy fit with Chuck and Nancy. Said he'll be happy to own a government shutdown over the Wall. Seriously.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2018 12:43 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump runs into some old Cosa Nostra buddies from his construction days, who invite him and his entourage into a secret room in the prison where the Mafiosi cook porterhouse steaks medium rare just like the aristocrats like them and slice their garlic cloves so razor thin during food prep that the garlic liquefies in the hot olive oil. But tensions erupt when Trump insists that true aristocrats prefer their steaks well done and Chris Christie breaches the mobsters' code of etiquette when he eats too much food.
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| d'Kong76 Dec 11 2018 12:50 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Anyone who didn't see this, go out of your way sometime today to track it down. I don't particularly like Chucky and Nancy, but what a petulant fucking cry baby the Oompaloompahead can be when things don't go his way...
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2018 12:59 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And when exactly do things not go his way? (Except for his hair) He's the luckiest scumbag in the whole wide world.
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| 41Forever Dec 11 2018 01:02 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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A Biden-Romney ticket in 2020?
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 11 2018 01:20 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Yeah, that's gonna happen. (Side eye with eye roll all rolled into one) Here's an even better one: Maybe Biden runs with Rick Snyder so that after Biden wins the presidency, Snyder can poison Biden's drinking water with cyanide to take over the presidency.
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| Mets Willets Point Dec 11 2018 01:40 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can see the pundits calling in "experts" to give "both sides" on the poisoning the President issue.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 11 2018 01:46 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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About as likely as me playing center field for the Mets in 2020. Oh, and pitching out of the bullpen, too.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2018 01:48 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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If you're going to be 40 years old and tied to a $20 million contract then you probably have a pretty good shot at playing center field for the Mets in 2020.
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| MFS62 Dec 11 2018 06:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And they can always use another lefty in the bullpen. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2018 06:41 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I'd pay the Mets $20 million if I could be 40 years old again. I don't think my 49-MPH fastball will fool too many hitters, though. One of my favorites.... Nancy Pelosi put her foot so far up Trump's ass today I have to send her a new pair of pumps! — Bette Midler (@BetteMidler) December 12, 2018
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| MFS62 Dec 12 2018 06:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So, she kicked him in his head? Did she hurt Mike Pence? So many questions to be answered. Later
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2018 12:07 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pence was apparently in need of a reboot or a software upgrade, as he was as motionless as the paintings on the wall and said nothing through this entire hoo-hah.
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| Edgy MD Dec 12 2018 01:38 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Staying as still and quiet as possible is as viable a path to the presidency as any for the guy.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 12 2018 03:34 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump's fake orange tan fades to a pasty white as he's now incarcerated and perpetually indoors. So he arranges a bribery scheme to acquire the prison tanning bed, which is in the corrections officers' rec room. When Trump is caught with the tanning bed in his cell, he denies the accusation and claims that the tanning bed is a hot plate for his quarter pounders.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 13 2018 09:05 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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With Trump's golf game on ice due to his incarceration, the president appoints his daughter Ivanka to head the Federal Prison system in hopes of getting some weekend tee-time.
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| Nymr83 Dec 14 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Jon Kyl is leaving, as expected and Ducey gets to appoint again ahead of a 2020 special election. He could appoint McSally, but appointing someone who just lost smells. Appointing his former chief of staff Kirk Adams has been floated, but my money (literally, check out predictit!) is on state treasurer Eileen Klein
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 14 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Kyl was just a placeholder so they could ram Kavanaugh through. Now that they picked up two seats, he can retire while they figure out someone who can win in 2020, when this seat will be up again.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2018 05:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2018 06:12 PM |
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In S1E20, Hardball, Trump hatches a plot to strong-arm Fred Wilpon into selling him the New York Mets at a steep discount. The blackmail scheme involves spreading the accusation that the senior Wilpon knew all along that Bernie Madoff's investment funds were a ponzi scheme, and threatening to use the Kavanaugh/Gorsuch Supreme Court to rescind baseball's antitrust exemption. Special guest appearance by (CGI) John Cazale in the dual roles of Donald Trump, Jr. and Jeff Wilpon, including the Emmy award nominated scene "I'm smart. I've got good ideas." "No. I'm smarter. I've got better ideas." "No. My ideas are better than yours." "No they're not." "Yes they are." "No they're not." "They are." "I'm rubber. You're glue". "No. You're the glue"
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 14 2018 06:09 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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| Edgy MD Dec 14 2018 08:35 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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With the Trump boat sinking fast, an appointment for a member of the McCain family wouldn't surprise me. But McSally is a former fighter pilot which makes her sort of a symbolic heir to McCain in her own right. Hey, Sherrif Joe! Nice 18 percent you got in the primary, you maniac.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 15 2018 08:39 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In the first episode of a baseball themed three-parter, Trump's first act as new owner of the New York Mets is to name his daughter Ivanka as GM. She plans an opening day extragavanza to celebrate the newly named Trump Field, in which she will ride in on the same horse drawn chariot used to introduce Casey Stengel to the Old-Timer's day crowd some 45 years ago.
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| MFS62 Dec 16 2018 06:33 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The manager won't be able to use a naked picture of Melania (with clothing to removed with each victory) as an incentive to win because every player on the team has already seen her naked when she was doing car tricks back in the day.
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| Edgy MD Dec 16 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump would never want to control any team but the Yankees.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 16 2018 05:17 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You know, if Ivanka could put together a lights-out bullpen and some hitters without mortgaging the future, I'm okay with her. Oh, and she'd need to get a better #5 starter than Vargas.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 16 2018 06:54 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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In Springtime for Trump, S1E36, Ivanka uses her new-found authority as the head of the Federal Prison system to pass prison regulations allowing incarcerated MLB franchise owners weekend leaves to attend their teams games. These new provisions will apply only to sitting presidents of the United States. Meanwhile, Trump rejects Ivanka's plan to rip out all of the stadium seating. Instead, the president, calculating that the Saudis won't ever attend any Mets games, hatches a plan to double-sell the Saudis' tickets.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 17 2018 03:50 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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You had me until "Ivanka is embarrassed". Trump family members are incapable of shame.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2018 01:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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One particular social media strategy the Russians used to steer the 2016 election to Trump was to persuade voters to ... wait for it ... vote for Jill Steiin.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 18 2018 11:07 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Judge postpones the Michael Flynn sentencing. But first he rips him a new one, saying 'You sold out your country'.
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| Nymr83 Dec 20 2018 12:57 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Trump says he wont sign stopgap funding without wall funding - has he vetoed anything yet? i wonder if he realizes it can become law just by his doing nothing if he doesn't actively veto? i wonder if anyone really wants to tell him.
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| Edgy MD Dec 20 2018 01:23 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I wonder if it'll come to him with a veto-proof supermajority.
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| Nymr83 Dec 20 2018 01:44 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He just tweeted that he is signing the farm bill soon. he tweeted himself dressed up like a farmer singing. i'm not joking.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 20 2018 03:56 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Someone musta said something about his stupid farm video that pissed him off cause Mattis just got canned. Err, is retiring.
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| Nymr83 Dec 20 2018 04:15 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I just heard they are passing an amendment to the bill in the House tonight that allocates $5 to build the Wall. if that is true it might be the greatest trolling ever
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2018 06:38 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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So:
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2018 07:11 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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AND he's probably more popular with his base than ever.
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| Mets Willets Point Dec 21 2018 08:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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About 20% of the population voted for Trump in 2016, or 1 out every 5 Americans. If you take out people who voted Trump because they always vote Republican and/or because they hate Hillary Clinton, but aren't particularly devoted to Trump, and then take out people who enthusiastically voted for Trump but since realized they were deceived, I'd estimate that the maximum number of people steadfastly supporting Trump today is around 15%. If Congress wasn't populated by cowards, we could've had Trump removed by now.
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| metsmarathon Dec 21 2018 08:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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so, i guess we're all done with war in syria, and afghanistan, too?
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2018 09:13 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He's pressuring McConnell to kill the legislative filibuster so the stupid spending bill with wall money could pass in the Senate. I'm in total shock that McConnell has been resisting this move all along.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2018 09:16 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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What also bothers me is that if the scumbag GOP won't nuke the filibuster, the Dems won't either when they get the chance. Which means the courts will never get packed. Wimps and pussies.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2018 09:27 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Filibuster's been nuked for judges, up to the Supreme Court. So when Dems get all the levers back (hopefully in 2021), they can pack to their heart's content. Increasing the size of the Supreme Court is still filibusterable, and that's a dangerous path to go down anyway, unless you like a 43-justice court.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2018 09:53 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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How are Dems going to pack the courts without nuking the legislative filibuster? The dead SCOTUS filibuster isn't enough. I'm not talking about filling naturally occurring vacancies. I'm talking about expanding the size of the courts to avenge Merrick Garland's stolen seat, the 100 or so stolen lower court seats and the killing of the SCOTUS filibuster and blue slip.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2018 09:58 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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And what's not to like about a 43 seat court? What's the reasonable alternative? To wait 40 years? And what's supposed to happen in 40 years anyways? What? Gorsuch is supposed to plan to retire under a Dem controlled Senate and White House 40 years from now?
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2018 11:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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BREAKING NEWS! RBG undergoes lung procedure to remove malignant cancerous growth.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2018 11:12 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Actually, breaking her ribs a few weeks ago is how they found these, so there's that silver lining.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2018 11:26 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Mitch McConnell won't allow a Supreme Court nomination during 2020, because he'll want to wait until after the election.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 21 2018 11:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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He'd push that nomination through so fast your head would spin. Mitch doesn't even know the word 'hypocrisy'.
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| Edgy MD Dec 23 2018 07:09 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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There's at least a reasonable chance (twenty percent?) that by 2020, Speaker Pelosi will be the president.
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| Ashie62 Dec 23 2018 07:42 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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President O'Rourke 20%
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2018 08:20 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The way the system is set up, it's very unlikely there's ever going to be a President Pelosi. The President and Vice-President would have to resign almost simultaneously, or Pence would have to resign first and Trump would not name a replacement until he was forced from office. Not likely.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 24 2018 08:31 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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I can see a remote possibility where Trump doesn't finish his term, but I don't imagine anyone other than Pence would replace him. I don't see Pence being forcibly removed from office, nor do I see him resigning. The only way Pelosi becomes President is if Trump resigns under pressure or is removed and Pence drops dead before he can name a new VP.
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| Nymr83 Dec 24 2018 11:03 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Pelosi is not becoming president unless there were a simultaneous incapacitation of Trump/Pence.
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 24 2018 11:40 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Don't be so sure about Pence. He ran the transition team, and Manafort ticked Trump into choosing him as a VP when he engineered an 'engine malfunction' on Trump's plane to keep him grounded for a few hours in Indianapolis. As far as we know, the Silent Albino hasn't been interviewed by Mueller, which means he could be a target. And if you think he didn't know about Russian contacts, I've got a bridge to sell you. He's not as squeaky-clean as he projects.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 24 2018 11:59 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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This explains why Trump is in favor of prison reform, doesn't it?
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| Edgy MD Dec 24 2018 04:49 PM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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1) It could happen. 2) Manafort pushed Trump to choose Pence. 3) There is plenty of evidence that Pence has obstructed justice, if anybody wants to pursue it. Among other things, he was in the room when the president drafted the cover story for meeting with the Russianss. 4) A VP named to succeed a standing VP rising to the presidency would have to go through the Senate. 5) I'm no liberal. 6) I don't remember my last wet dream, but I'm certain it did not involve Mike Pence.
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| MFS62 Dec 25 2018 09:17 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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The grinch told a 7 year old that believing in Santa Claus is "marginal".
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| metsmarathon Dec 25 2018 09:36 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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"what i really want it a president who's down to earth, like the real people of america."
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| Edgy MD Dec 27 2018 10:08 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Now up to 100%. [tweet]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076655729820471296[/tweet]
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| Lefty Specialist Dec 27 2018 10:23 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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WASHINGTON —
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| Ashie62 Dec 31 2018 09:05 AM Re: Politics in 2018 |
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Is it possible the Allstate's Mr. Mayhem could visit the West Wing?
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