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Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez


I love it with a deep and abiding passion! 0 votes

I love it! 0 votes

I like a lot! 0 votes

I like it! 1 votes

It's OK, I guess 18 votes

I am indifferent to it 3 votes

Feh, I'm not impressed, but whatever 4 votes

I dislike it! 0 votes

I dislike it a lot! 0 votes

I hate it! 0 votes

I hate it with a deep and abiding passion! 0 votes

Edgy MD
Jan 15 2018 10:44 PM

Adrian Gonzalez has been signed for a single season, apparently at or near the big league minimum. Tell us how you feel now to lend credibility to your feelings later.

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Nymr83
Jan 15 2018 10:57 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

"Its ok, I guess"

Zvon
Jan 15 2018 11:16 PM
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Feh

OE: my reasons are in another thread. I hate typing.

seawolf17
Jan 15 2018 11:17 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Nymr83 wrote:
"Its ok, I guess"

Same. If he gets more than 100 AB, something has gone horribly wrong or REALLY really right.

Zvon
Jan 15 2018 11:18 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

seawolf17 wrote:
Nymr83 wrote:
"Its ok, I guess"

Same. If he gets more than 100 AB, something has gone horribly wrong or REALLY really right.


I only see the horribly wrong side.

Rockin' Doc
Jan 16 2018 03:52 AM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

I went with, "Okay I guess". I look at Gonzalez as a reasonably cheap insurance policy should Dom Smith not be ready to take over the position. If Dom does well, the Gonzo can spell him and hopefully provide a lefty bat off the bench. If Gonzalez no longer can produce, rthen at least he didn't cost any players and reasonably little money.

d'Kong76
Jan 16 2018 03:58 AM
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In that Dodger picture he looks fatter than Smith was last year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 16 2018 04:00 AM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Smith would do well to become what Gonzalez was. The question is who will be more Gonzalez-like in 2018.

Lots of fans couldn't wait for the Duda Era to end but it appears the Mets pushed it.

smg58
Jan 16 2018 01:44 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Without knowing the details of the deal, I would argue that other things require our attention first. But it may look like a sensible precaution in the long run.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 16 2018 03:08 PM
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I think I like his politics and thoughtfulness more than I'll like anything he does on a ball field in 2018.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 16 2018 06:27 PM
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I'm on Team Feh.

Edgy MD
Jan 16 2018 06:55 PM
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I like how "meh" is just a touch above indifference, while "feh" is just a touch below. I should have incorporated "meh" into the poll.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 16 2018 07:14 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

I think the lack of commitment, both in years and dollars, is why nobody took a negative position.

The composition of the Opening Day 25-man roster is hard to project at this point. My main concern is the roster spot that Gonzalez will potentially take up, but if he makes the team then I guess he'll have earned the spot. Spring training will be interesting.

dgwphotography
Jan 16 2018 07:42 PM
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It’s ok, I guess. He’s a cheap insurance policy.

Ashie62
Jan 17 2018 12:49 AM
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Mets pay $545,000 of the 22 million owed.

Personally think Adrian has many hits left in that bat.

Edgy MD
Jan 17 2018 01:44 AM
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On a scale of -5 (passionate hate) to +5 (passionate love), the Gonzalez signing come in at +0.5.

A half a meh.

Vic Sage
Jan 17 2018 04:01 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think the lack of commitment, both in years and dollars, is why nobody took a negative position.

The composition of the Opening Day 25-man roster is hard to project at this point. My main concern is the roster spot that Gonzalez will potentially take up, but if he makes the team then I guess he'll have earned the spot. Spring training will be interesting.


A-Gon's presence on the roster might be enough to motivate Smith to get into better shape. If A-Gon shows he still has a few hits left in him, he either pushes Smith back to AAA (if Smith doesn't earned the starting 1b job) or is a useful LH bat off the bench, at least until Conforto returns. If A-Gon shows nothing much, he's making minimum wage and can get cut without a backward glance. I have the same expectations for A-Gon as i do for David Wright... i don't expect anything, but if he can still play, he'll be useful. I would give 1/2 a meh, but that's not an option so i chose "indifferent". Because i don't give a full "meh".

Ashie62
Jan 17 2018 07:00 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

I truly like it. On the scale above I go +3

Solid vet on the cheap who aint washed up.

Dominic Smith certainly carries risk at 1B.

Edgy MD
Jan 17 2018 07:21 PM
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A +3 would be "I like a lot," but nobody clicked that.

Centerfield
Jan 17 2018 07:32 PM
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He passed his physical.

That means he's totally healthy right?

Rockin' Doc
Jan 18 2018 03:20 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
He passed his physical.

That means he's totally healthy right?


Well, he's a Met now. So passing his physical simply means he is an injury waiting to happen.

Zvon
Jan 18 2018 06:52 AM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Edgy MD wrote:
I like how "meh" is just a touch above indifference, while "feh" is just a touch below. I should have incorporated "meh" into the poll.


I did not know that!

Seriously, you guys are getting too funny. There are too many funny posts to add a quote to that opinion and I refuse to play favorites.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 18 2018 01:21 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
He passed his physical.

That means he's totally healthy right?


Did Ray Ramirez administer it? If so, all bets are off.

Ceetar
Jan 18 2018 02:32 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Lefty Specialist wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
He passed his physical.

That means he's totally healthy right?


Did Ray Ramirez administer it? If so, all bets are off.


Ray Ramirez doesn't work for the Mets, so I hope not.

Edgy MD
Jan 18 2018 03:48 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

And physicals are generally performed by doctors and not trainers.

TransMonk
Jan 18 2018 04:07 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
And physicals are generally performed by doctors and not trainers.


Our doctors have been performing the physicals, right?

Edgy MD
Jan 18 2018 04:11 PM
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It would be really scary otherwise, since the Mets still haven't announced who their new trainers are.

seawolf17
Jan 18 2018 04:26 PM
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No confirmation on the rumor that their team doctor is Dr. Spaceman.

Nymr83
Jan 18 2018 06:59 PM
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Hi Everybody!

Vic Sage
Jan 18 2018 09:47 PM
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now that i hear that that A-Gon is being granted the starting 1bman spot going into camp (or rather, its his to lose), and that they are PLANNING for Smith to be sent down, i'm downgrading my indifference on the deal to a negative "feh". Its one thing for A-Gon to come into camp as insurance, and as motivation for Smith, and to help groom the kid, but to give him the preference as the starting 1bman? Giving up on a 22-year old with real minor-league production? That's just... stupid.

Ceetar
Jan 18 2018 09:52 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Vic Sage wrote:
now that i hear that that A-Gon is being granted the starting 1bman spot going into camp (or rather, its his to lose), and that they are PLANNING for Smith to be sent down, i'm downgrading my indifference on the deal to a negative "feh". Its one thing for A-Gon to come into camp as insurance, and as motivation for Smith, and to help groom the kid, but to give him the preference as the starting 1bman? Giving up on a 22-year old with real minor-league production? That's just... stupid.


citation needed.

Vic Sage
Jan 18 2018 09:54 PM
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https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/smith-shou ... /264882428

Ceetar
Jan 18 2018 10:00 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/smith-should-get-chance-to-compete-with-gonzalez-for-first-base-job/264882428


"There is somewhat of a defined role as far as starting a certain amount of games," Gonzalez said, adding that he'll serve as a mentor of sorts for Dominic Smith during Spring Training.


Yeah, let's see how that goes. Sandy told him what he needed to hear to be signed. The only way Gonzalez is starting the majority of the games by mid-April is if he's hitting and Smith is not, and in all honesty, if he's legitimately contributing, fine.

Vic Sage
Jan 18 2018 10:07 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

Ceetar wrote:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/smith-should-get-chance-to-compete-with-gonzalez-for-first-base-job/264882428


"There is somewhat of a defined role as far as starting a certain amount of games," Gonzalez said, adding that he'll serve as a mentor of sorts for Dominic Smith during Spring Training.


Yeah, let's see how that goes. Sandy told him what he needed to hear to be signed. The only way Gonzalez is starting the majority of the games by mid-April is if he's hitting and Smith is not, and in all honesty, if he's legitimately contributing, fine.


my concern is if A-Gon is the presumptive starter. Then, if neither of them actually earns the job in ST, A-Gon gets the job by default. In that case, Smith will probably go down to AAA; I doubt they'll just let Smith sit on the bench just to be "mentored" by A-Gon, whose clubhouse persona doesn't need to be modeled for a young player learning how to be a major-leaguer. And so if they do leave Smith on the bench, that's even worse.

Ceetar
Jan 18 2018 10:14 PM
Re: Nuanced Poll: Adrian Gonzalez

we're more than 2 months from that concern though, and I think Adrian actually has more to lose with a bad spring training. even if they gave him the job off that, if Smith is mashing 10 games in in Vegas and A-Gon isn't, he's, well, A-Goner. Or at least back to the bench.

Also just because Sandy promised him some measure of playing time doesn't mean Mickey has to put him in the lineup everyday.



Here's a scenario for you. might be a long shot, but..

let's say they sign a guy. Frazier. Walker, whatevers. So we've got Cabrera, Walker, Flores, Rosario, Smith, Gonzalez. Those are the 6 spots, 2 backups 4 starters, presumably.

what if David Wright is non-dead for a few weeks to start the season? The probability isn't zero. Do you hand it to Gonzalez, put Smith in the minors and bank on a Wright DL by say 4/15? or do you just cut Gonzalez and go with it?

Vic Sage
Jan 18 2018 10:24 PM
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I cut AGon, platoon Wright and Smith at 1b. If Wright goes back on the DL, Smith can split time with Flores. If Smith is not cutting it and the Mets are otherwise playing competitive ball, you send him down and play Flores at 1b full time, and look for another LHed IF bat off the bench (A-Gon might still be sitting out there then!). If half our rotation goes back on the DL, i'd keep running Smith out there to see if he can develop during a lost season.

d'Kong76
Jan 19 2018 01:41 PM
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Adrian Gonzalez Is Officially a Met, With Plans to Tutor Dominic Smith - Kepner, NY Times

“One of my big, key points, especially in spring training, is to work with Dominic on defense and just kind of the mind-set, and tell him all my experiences and everything I’ve done,” Gonzalez said on a conference call with reporters. “I’m looking forward to that adventure, and Dominic as well, so I can help him become the best major leaguer he can be.”

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 19 2018 01:48 PM
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That mentoring will be difficult if Dominic is in Las Vegas.

Edgy MD
Jan 19 2018 02:11 PM
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Well, a lot of that can happen, as he notes, in Spring Training. He got a lot of points for working with Cody Bellinger last year, and not just retro-actively.

Always nice to have a guy who knows the league.