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Larry Nassar

Centerfield Jan 18 2018 06:19 PM

This story is so painful it's hard to talk about it. But I'm glad it's getting the press it deserves. It's astonishing how much we've let our young girls down. Anyway, the asshole says listening the the recounts from his victims is hard for him. http://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id ... ng-hearing It's just astonishing. Read an article about the other around him that enabled him to do what he did. It's just mind boggling. People are such assholes. I get it that sometimes you get one sick guy. All the other assholes around him that let him get away with it is what really pisses me off. To think that there are people in Alabama who can see something like this, then vote for a child molestor is beyond me.

metirish Jan 18 2018 06:31 PM Re: Larry Nassar

A vile piece of shit....and the institutions that allowed it to go on , and the girl going to get fined for breaking for NDA?, what the fuck?

Edgy MD Jan 18 2018 06:35 PM Re: Larry Nassar

I'm not a law-talking guy. Is it irregular that pre-sentencing victim impact statements last for several days?

Centerfield Jan 18 2018 06:38 PM Re: Larry Nassar

It was part of his plea deal. Now he says it hurts his feelings.

metsmarathon Jan 18 2018 06:40 PM Re: Larry Nassar

how is this not as big a deal as jerry Sandusky?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2018 06:43 PM Re: Larry Nassar

I think that the proximity to Joe Paterno made that story a bigger one, but you're right, this deserves every bit of attention that that one story did. I know that this is going to be a rather glib statement, but I wish there was a way to proclaim amnesty for anyone breaking an NDA about sexual abuse.

Frayed Knot Jan 18 2018 08:14 PM Re: Larry Nassar

metsmarathon wrote: how is this not as big a deal as jerry Sandusky? Because much (probably most) of the Sandusky story was over how this would affect "Joe Pa" and the PSU football team - y'know, the things those covering it within the sports world actually cared about.

Centerfield Jan 18 2018 09:18 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Frayed Knot wrote: metsmarathon wrote: how is this not as big a deal as jerry Sandusky? Because much (probably most) of the Sandusky story was over how this would affect "Joe Pa" and the PSU football team - y'know, the things those covering it within the sports world actually cared about. I think this is exactly right.

Frayed Knot Jan 18 2018 09:31 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Put another way, this gymnastics story is being covered by news departments while the Penn State story was covered by news + sports, heavily on the latter. Somehow, despite this being a very large and very diverse country consisting of 1/3 of a billion people, and despite sports coverage being larger than ever including several sports-dedicated networks, the focus of the coverage on the national level is now smaller than it's ever been, diminishing to the point where essentially only football and basketball exist. All others are essentially treated as niche activities which probably deserve coverage by someone, but it won't be by the big boys.

Edgy MD Jan 18 2018 09:34 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: metsmarathon wrote: how is this not as big a deal as jerry Sandusky? Because much (probably most) of the Sandusky story was over how this would affect "Joe Pa" and the PSU football team - y'know, the things those covering it within the sports world actually cared about. I think this is exactly right. There's that. Also, it has to be said, assaulting teenage girls is seen as more heteronormative than molesting pubescent boys, even if the former is just as felonious, or even more felonious. I mean, a jock lusting teenage girls is a story. But a jock lusting middle school boys stops the presses. Accepting the (piles of) felonies as equal-ish, the nuance of the context can make something float higher as a press item. It shouldn't, but it does. The old joke about politicians was that the only thing that could stop a guy with a 10-point lead was a story about a dead girl or a live boy, which I guess says something not-a-little-bit disturbing about how the press weighs the relative value of transgressions against the different genders.

metsmarathon Jan 19 2018 04:31 AM Re: Larry Nassar

yeah. every bit of all of that.

Rockin' Doc Jan 19 2018 05:17 PM Re: Larry Nassar

It is difficult for me to imagine how evil and/or delusional this morally deficient pervert has to be, to complain that the judge is being mean and causing him emotional stress by making him face his accusers. As centerfield said, how can others surrounding US gymnastics not be aware of (or worse yet, possibly tolerate and cover up) his mistreatment of these young women. He has 135 women that have stepped forward to accuse him of sexual misconduct, the vast majority of whom, I would imagine, were minors at the time of their molestation. I hope the judge gives him the maximum sentence allowable under law. It doesn't sound like the judge has much sympathy for Nassar and his claim of emotional stress caused by facing his accusers is causing him.

Frayed Knot Jan 19 2018 08:40 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Rockin' Doc wrote: ... As centerfield said, how can others surrounding US gymnastics not be aware of (or worse yet, possibly tolerate and cover up) his mistreatment of these young women. The same way Penn State did and the same way the Catholic church did: by deciding that protecting the brand/organization (and, by extension, themselves) was the higher priority.

cooby Jan 19 2018 08:55 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Okay, for the record PSU expunged Paterno's name from everything, including the Paterno library. It's weird walking around and not seeing his name anywhere. Happy that they returned the 409 (509?) wins to the PSU Football team records, but most everyone around here feels that Joe didn't do what he should have. Nor did Mike McQueary. But that's all another story. Here's my question...what kind of doctor was this Nassar? Besides a piece of shit one.

Frayed Knot Jan 19 2018 09:56 PM Re: Larry Nassar

cooby wrote: Okay, for the record PSU expunged Paterno's name from everything, including the Paterno library. Only many years after the child abuse had gone on and after at least some folks within the PSU football team knew what was going on but decided instead that covering their own asses and not tainting "the program" was more important than turning in a pedophile. Whether Paterno is revered or ignored on campus going forward is completely irrelevant to me.

Ashie62 Jan 20 2018 12:00 AM Re: Larry Nassar

I see Nassar as being enabled by the USOC and Michigan St. Athletics to groom parents and girls for abuse. Nassar agreed to hear impact statements. In the time of #metoo this judge will not stop statements until all victims who wish to speak do.

cooby Jan 20 2018 01:22 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Frayed Knot wrote: cooby wrote: Okay, for the record PSU expunged Paterno's name from everything, including the Paterno library. Only many years after the child abuse had gone on and after at least some folks within the PSU football team knew what was going on but decided instead that covering their own asses and not tainting "the program" was more important than turning in a pedophile. Whether Paterno is revered or ignored on campus going forward is completely irrelevant to me. Well okay LF. Unless your life or livliehood revolves around a place I guess it's hard to imagine the shame and horror involved. I only hope that Michigan State can survive the stigma and not have to still defend itself years later as PSU seemingly has to, even among friends. As for the IOC, I couldn't care less

Frayed Knot Jan 20 2018 02:07 AM Re: Larry Nassar

I'm not dismissing the shame it brought to PSU, merely pointing out that the remedy in the form of erasing Paterno's name was all done after the fact and long after it could help the kids, kids who were adults by the time the University got around to acknowledging that they failed to acknowledge what happened in the first place. Had SOMEBODY there -- whether it was Joe Pa, or one of the administrators (two of whom went to jail if I remember right), or whomever -- stepped up at the time then the eventual crash wouldn't have been so hard. But they decided, just as this USA gymnastics body (not the IOC) did and just like the Catholic church before it, to protect their brand instead of the kids and that similarity is the reason I brought up PSU in connection with this topic.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 22 2018 04:15 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Aly Raisman's statement Friday addresses the systemic failures, as well as her personal pain/wrath. It's remarkable, and worth a listen/read. (The courtroom agreed; she was given an ovation immediately after she stopped speaking.)

Centerfield Jan 22 2018 06:11 PM Re: Larry Nassar

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Aly Raisman's statement Friday addresses the systemic failures, as well as her personal pain/wrath. It's remarkable, and worth a listen/read. (The courtroom agreed; she was given an ovation immediately after she stopped speaking.) I'm ready to vote for her for President.

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2018 08:14 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Juliet Macur of the NY Times talks about how the USOC needs to take control over USA Gymnastics but has, so far, chosen to sit on the sidelines as if nothing is wrong -- although three members of USA Gymnastics have now resigned since that piece ran.

Lefty Specialist Jan 24 2018 06:47 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Judge Sentences Larry Nassar to 175 Years: ‘I Just Signed Your Death Warrant’

Frayed Knot Jan 24 2018 07:25 PM Re: Larry Nassar

This sentencing should be the beginning of the story on this topic for USA Gymnastics and for the USOC even though both will want to treat it as if it's the end. The USOC, btw, owes its existence to the act by Congress which created it so if changes are not forthcoming there SHOULD be a way to bring pressure from outside.

Ashie62 Jan 26 2018 11:08 PM Re: Larry Nassar

To date the Michigan State President and Athletic Director have resigned. It is beginning to look like Tom Izzo may not be employed for too much longer.

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2018 12:17 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Mainly because now it seems that the Michigan State athletic department and the university itself has been covering up a number of assaults and abuses over the years because you certainly don't want the victims' side of the story being heard if it might throw a taint on your fucking athletic program. This will bring (and already has) the mainstream part of the sports media into the story, which, as has been mentioned earlier, was part of what was missing when this was thought of as just a gymnastics story. But while ESPN and others will write their stories, decry what's happened, and (reluctantly) consent to the idea that those in charge need to go even though they were such great guys in every other respect, it won't change their basic reflex to go back to godding-up the replacement coach, to acting as head cheerleader to the program, and to the continued support of this whole corrupted system of "amateur" sports in general as they gear up for "Sparty's" next big game.

cooby Jan 27 2018 12:24 AM Re: Larry Nassar Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 27 2018 12:34 AM

And that's what really sad...that one person can eff up an entire university's program and integrity because someone could have said something and didn't Again I will hark back to PSU and blame Mike McQueary as well as Paterno

cooby Jan 27 2018 12:33 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Just some further info. Sandusky had a thing for a boy on my sons high school football team. In fact, he is now known as victim one When this all broke I asked my son...as a mother, I have to ask you; did Jerry Sandusky ever approach you? And he said 'No mom, he creeped me out' everyone was was all about him because he was from Penn State but he just creeped me out' Just saying...sometimes these things are personal and it's really hard to see what is right in front of you

Edgy MD Jan 27 2018 01:08 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Absolutely. Your son saw more than most. We are often blinded to these things and dysfunctional in our reactions within families. It's even harder in institutions.

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2018 01:34 AM Re: Larry Nassar

cooby wrote: And that's what really sad...that one person can eff up an entire university's program and integrity because someone could have said something and didn't One person can only 'eff up' an entire university's athletic program if those in charge allow it to happen by caring more about protecting their own fiefdom at all costs than they do about whoever might inconveniently (for them) get in the way. This isn't one person fucking up a system, this is a fucked up system.

41Forever Jan 27 2018 01:58 AM Re: Larry Nassar

There is more to come.

cooby Jan 27 2018 02:02 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Frayed Knot wrote: cooby wrote: And that's what really sad...that one person can eff up an entire university's program and integrity because someone could have said something and didn't One person can only 'eff up' an entire university's athletic program if those in charge allow it to happen by caring more about protecting their own fiefdom at all costs than they do about whoever might inconveniently (for them) get in the way. This isn't one person fucking up a system, this is a fucked up system. Ok

d'Kong76 Jan 27 2018 02:35 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Hard to wrap one's head around these things. The church, the grand college institution and the now this one. 150 young girls, it's just disgusting. 41Forever wrote: There is more to come. If you know something you need to clam up here. You can't play the I can't say stuff because of my job card and then throw out I know something but I can't say but want everyone to know I might know something here.

cooby Jan 27 2018 03:02 AM Re: Larry Nassar

Frayed Knot wrote: cooby wrote: And that's what really sad...that one person can eff up an entire university's program and integrity because someone could have said something and didn't One person can only 'eff up' an entire university's athletic program if those in charge allow it to happen by caring more about protecting their own fiefdom at all costs than they do about whoever might inconveniently (for them) get in the way. This isn't one person fucking up a system, this is a fucked up system. Kinda mean spirited. you cannot assume another person, especially another child (as my son) can assess the nature of what is going on, and be the one to be the bell ringer. If it helps, it was my son's high school that finally was the one to turn Sandusky into the police.

MFS62 Jan 27 2018 12:13 PM Re: Larry Nassar

There was a sex scandal involving members of the Duke University lacrosse team a few years ago. It caused a huge uproar, besmirching the name of a proud educational institution. They were later found innocent at trial. I'm not sure if any of that stain still remains. Later

41Forever Jan 27 2018 01:50 PM Re: Larry Nassar

d'Kong76 wrote: Hard to wrap one's head around these things. The church, the grand college institution and the now this one. 150 young girls, it's just disgusting. 41Forever wrote: There is more to come. If you know something you need to clam up here. You can't play the I can't say stuff because of my job card and then throw out I know something but I can't say but want everyone to know I might know something here. What? Has nothing to do with my job. There are ESPN stories about the football and basketball teams, and three resignations already and about four investigations. The culture problems there appear to go beyond Nasser. That’s what I meant.

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2018 08:44 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Kinda mean spirited. Not sure who you think I'm being mean spirited towards, cuz, frankly, I'm just getting warmed up here. Let me try it this way: the people I'm taking to task here are the ones running the organizations -- including though not limited to, PSU, MSU, Baylor, USA Gymnastics, USOC, or even the freakin' Vatican -- that decide to put protecting their precious program ahead of the rights and protection of fellow students and, in some cases, minor children. At least some people in each case knew what was going on, or should have known, or chose not to know by failing to even investigate anything that might either reflect poorly on them. And if that meant dismissing out-of-hand some fellow student's rape charge, or keeping a known pedophile around children, or overlooking a host of crimes and misdemeanors so as to not taint their sainted coach or keep the star out of the big game that week then that's the path they too often took.

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2018 08:56 PM Re: Larry Nassar

MFS62 wrote: There was a sex scandal involving members of the Duke University lacrosse team a few years ago. It caused a huge uproar, besmirching the name of a proud educational institution. They were later found innocent at trial. I'm not sure if any of that stain still remains. That case was almost the exact opposite of many college/sports sex scandals that we see mainly, it seems, because, being lacrosse rather than football or basketball, it didn't involve a large revenue sport with its built in advocacy group (media, local law enforcement) willing to bend facts to benefit the team & school. Instead the media largely convicted these students and the program itself the minute the story broke as many decided that lacrosse was far too preppy, too white, and too elitist for many of them. But despite there being virtually no evidence of a crime (other than idiot college students acting like idiots) the coach lost his job (never to be rehired despite the end result) and the three students falsely charged lost job offers they had lined up for post graduation in addition to the costs and legal costs incurred. The local DA/prosecutor was eventually disbarred and served jail time for his gross misconduct in pursuing the case. The accuser was later arrested for attempted murder on one boyfriend and later stabbed another to death.

cooby Jan 27 2018 10:36 PM Re: Larry Nassar

Kinda mean spirited. Not sure who you think I'm being mean spirited towards, cuz, frankly, I'm just getting warmed up here. Let me try it this way: the people I'm taking to task here are the ones running the organizations -- including though not limited to, PSU, MSU, Baylor, USA Gymnastics, USOC, or even the freakin' Vatican -- that decide to put protecting their precious program ahead of the rights and protection of fellow students and, in some cases, minor children. At least some people in each case knew what was going on, or should have known, or chose not to know by failing to even investigate anything that might either reflect poorly on them. And if that meant dismissing out-of-hand some fellow student's rape charge, or keeping a known pedophile around children, or overlooking a host of crimes and misdemeanors so as to not taint their sainted coach or keep the star out of the big game that week then that's the path they too often took. FK I'm not sure what I was thinking either so I do apologize.