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BLACK PANTHER

* This mangy, feral critter needs to be put down

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** A dull, domesticated house cat

2 votes

*** This classy kitty is well groomed

4 votes

**** A cool and regal feline with sharp claws

5 votes

***** Top of the MCU food chain

2 votes

Vic Sage Feb 20 2018 09:11 AM

Did you see it yet?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 20 2018 09:21 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Yes. I liked it a lot. (Gave it four stars.)

Edgy MD Feb 21 2018 12:54 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

His interpretation of the character was a real departure from the Peter Sellers version.

Vic Sage Feb 21 2018 01:32 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

well, you know, you have to change with the times. Just like new baseball uniform designs, panthers sell better when they're black, not pink (unless it's breast cancer awareness day or mother's day).

dgwphotography Feb 21 2018 02:17 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I thoroughly enjoyed Black Panther, but it had better theme music when it was pink.

Vic Sage Feb 21 2018 02:28 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

dgwphotography wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed Black Panther, but it had better theme music when it was pink. agreed. Mancini over Lamar!

Mets Willets Point Feb 22 2018 07:37 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Vic Sage wrote: Did you see it yet? When questioned about a panther, don't anther.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2018 08:18 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Really, really, REALLY liked this one. #killmongerwasright #wellsorta

MFS62 Mar 02 2018 06:34 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

How was the sound? Seriously. I've seen brief clips (including the lead actor and actress in a car commercial) and I can't understand what they are saying because of their accents. I spend all day on the phone and can understand callers from all over the country, but can barely discern what I've heard from the movie. I don't want to go and find out its like that all the way through. Later

Benjamin Grimm Mar 02 2018 06:48 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I had no problem understanding the dialog, but if you have issues understanding African accents, then maybe you should skip it. I remember when I was in Africa, we were on a shuttle with a couple of other people, and although they spoke English, and the driver spoke English, they couldn't understand anything he was saying. It was in the strange position of translating English to English. I can understand where you're coming from. I have similar problems in the Deep South. One time in Alabama, I blew out a tire and we stopped in a repair shop. I couldn't understand what the guy was saying and my wife had to translate. Also, I sometimes have to turn on closed captioning when I'm watching a TV show from the BBC.

MFS62 Mar 02 2018 08:24 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Thanks, Ben. I only have one trouble spot in the USA - a 50 mile radius in West Texas. One time, I had to ask a woman how to spell the name of her street and she said "M-a-i-n". And I barely understood that. Think I'll miss the movie. Later

Vic Sage Mar 02 2018 08:54 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

i had no problem with the accents. I wasn't even aware of them after a while.

dgwphotography Mar 02 2018 11:42 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Vic Sage wrote: i had no problem with the accents. I wasn't even aware of them after a while. What accents? They were speaking proper English. I found it quite refreshing when I noticed that T'Chala does not use contractions

41Forever Mar 13 2018 10:26 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I thought it was good! Orgin stories can be tough. But I liked it better than the Thor movies. Hawkeye needs his own movie!

metirish Mar 27 2018 08:34 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Lorcan saw this with his mom and cousin at the Alamo in Yonkers, absolutely loved it ...and loved the Alamo theater

Frayed Knot Mar 27 2018 01:02 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

41Forever wrote: Hawkeye needs his own movie! There have been several: [fimg=200]http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37200000/Nathaniel-Poe-Hawkeye-the-last-of-the-mohicans-37205875-500-575.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=300]https://www.bestmoviesbyfarr.com/static-assets/images/articles/background/2014/07/2-k5uf9x.jpg[/fimg]

Centerfield Apr 09 2018 11:08 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

So let's predict the demise of this franchise. Black Panther 2 will be met with initial enthusiasm and do well on its first weekend. Then crowds will thin as it becomes obvious that the plot sucks and this is a terrible movie. Debates will rage whether we have a social responsibility to support the movie anyway, or whether we should recognize it for the subpar movie it is. Black Panther 3 will have early obstacles as none of the original cast will sign on to return. The resulting movie thus becomes a prequel, and though better than 2, it will fail to live up to the success of the first one. Black Panther 4 will be a comedy. Kevin Hart is cast as the Black Panther. He now has a sidekick named "White Hippo". Played by Kevin James.

metirish Apr 13 2018 10:56 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Centerfield wrote: So let's predict the demise of this franchise. Black Panther 2 will be met with initial enthusiasm and do well on its first weekend. Then crowds will thin as it becomes obvious that the plot sucks and this is a terrible movie. Debates will rage whether we have a social responsibility to support the movie anyway, or whether we should recognize it for the subpar movie it is. Black Panther 3 will have early obstacles as none of the original cast will sign on to return. The resulting movie thus becomes a prequel, and though better than 2, it will fail to live up to the success of the first one. Black Panther 4 will be a comedy. Kevin Hart is cast as the Black Panther. He now has a sidekick named "White Hippo". Played by Kevin James. That's damn good :)

RealityChuck Sep 22 2018 08:25 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Saw it last night. I wasn't impressed and it didn't come close to its hype. I was expecting something more than just a routine superhero film. I found the fight scenes overlong and boring. The chase scene might have been good if it had been an actual chase scene instead of one that was CGI enhanced. Aside from one twist, the plot was completely predictable, by-the-book filmmaking. Wonder Woman gave me hope that a superhero film could be something important (even if the final fight scene was a mistake). After hearing the reviews, I thought this might be going down that path. Alas, it went right for the cookie-cutter.

Centerfield Sep 26 2018 08:17 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

RealityChuck wrote: Wonder Woman gave me hope that a superhero film could be something important (even if the final fight scene was a mistake). After hearing the reviews, I thought this might be going down that path. Alas, it went right for the cookie-cutter. Agreed. Completely cookie-cutter. I mean, once you've seen one movie that celebrates black and African culture, smashes stereotypes, features a minority lead, with a minority-led cast, portrays its black characters as compassionate, powerful, educated and sophisticated rather than two dimensional stereotypes, empowers a generation of African-American kids who no longer have to be told "You can't be Superman, he's not black" and shoots down the idea that a movie with a non-white cast can't be a box office smash, basically you've seen them all.

Vic Sage Sep 26 2018 02:21 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Centerfield wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Wonder Woman gave me hope that a superhero film could be something important (even if the final fight scene was a mistake). After hearing the reviews, I thought this might be going down that path. Alas, it went right for the cookie-cutter. Agreed. Completely cookie-cutter. I mean, once you've seen one movie that celebrates black and African culture, smashes stereotypes, features a minority lead, with a minority-led cast, portrays its black characters as compassionate, powerful, educated and sophisticated rather than two dimensional stereotypes, empowers a generation of African-American kids who no longer have to be told "You can't be Superman, he's not black" and shoots down the idea that a movie with a non-white cast can't be a box office smash, basically you've seen them all. What you're talking about is the social, political and cultural importance and value of the film, which i agree with you about wholeheartedly. But what i think RC is reacting to is the film just as a narrative work in a particular genre, where it's not really breaking any new ground. Which i also agree with. But i don't think you can judge the film as a narrative in a vacuum; its cultural context is essential to appreciating and understanding it. To dismiss or ignore that context is to be the guy who said "other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Centerfield Sep 26 2018 02:54 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Agreed. What spurred the post was use of the word "important". Boring...formulaic plot...really a long lost brother? Sure. Look, I enjoyed it a lot, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. But to say it wasn't important.... To the extent any superhero movie can be "important", I think this one fits the bill.

Edgy MD Sep 26 2018 03:22 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Narrative-wise, it has a lot in common with a Bond film, mostly in the first half. [list=1:j5vag2bk][*:j5vag2bk]the "check out your new gadgets" scene, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the operation in a foreign capital surrounded by wealthy and beautiful swells dressed fabulously, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the casino, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the breakdown of the operation setting up the rest of the plot, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the super-professional female agent who is just so over the way you boys think you can charm and bullshit your way through everything, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the car chase with really high-end brand cars from manufacturers that paid to be in the movie, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the surprising tech unveiled during said car chase, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the grudging alliance-of-convenience with a foreign operative/rival that ultimately proves fruitful and puts a crack in the ice of international distrust,[/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the villain having a crude and sadistic heavy that's disfigured but has a signature way of killing people, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]weaponry that works like a video game, [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]a last-act battle scene where everybody comes out of the woodwork in the name of patriotism, and [/*:m:j5vag2bk] [*:j5vag2bk]the world is saved at the last possible moment.[/*:m:j5vag2bk][/list:o:j5vag2bk] It just doesn't have the whole swing-dick thing or an intrigue-filled Shirley Bassey song.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 27 2018 06:58 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Instead, it substitutes a crazy amount of filigreed world-building, actual female characters (a couple of whom are the best things about the BP, and one of whom-- Shuri-- is maybe the best character in the MCU), and a sympathetic villain with a rational, arguably-noble motivation. Part of the reason I like Black Panther as a character, going forward? He's got his head screwed on straight, and a superdeveloped sense of conscience/responsibility (even for a Marvel hero). In other words, he's pretty take-no-bullshit, but with a sense of mild amusement that you don't see in, say, Batman. IOW, T'Challa is a perfect foil for cartoony, jumpsuit-wearing or Jaws-style villains. "Get a load of this guy" wry humor, but underlaid with the sense that he's here to HANDLE this charismatic imbecile.

metsmarathon Sep 28 2018 07:38 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

my one problem with Black Panther is... ok i get it, killmonger is a terrible person, but was he not then the rightful king of wakanda, having defeated t'challa in ritual combat? i guess t'challa didn't fully and irrevocably die, through intervention of others. but doesn't that then circumvent the ritual and the succession rites as well? admittedly, i've only yet been able to watch the movie on the back of the seat in front of me during a recent cross-country flight. but still i have these questions... overall, though, i thought it a terrific movie. i wished killmonger could've been fully redeemed, though his demise was of course the inevitable end of his tragic path. alas, he burned all the flowers (that we know of)

RealityChuck Oct 04 2018 01:52 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Centerfield wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Wonder Woman gave me hope that a superhero film could be something important (even if the final fight scene was a mistake). After hearing the reviews, I thought this might be going down that path. Alas, it went right for the cookie-cutter. Agreed. Completely cookie-cutter. I mean, once you've seen one movie that celebrates black and African culture, smashes stereotypes, features a minority lead, with a minority-led cast, portrays its black characters as compassionate, powerful, educated and sophisticated rather than two dimensional stereotypes, empowers a generation of African-American kids who no longer have to be told "You can't be Superman, he's not black" and shoots down the idea that a movie with a non-white cast can't be a box office smash, basically you've seen them all. Yes, it's great to see black actors as superheroes; that's why I gave it a 3 instead of something lower. But the writers stopped thinking after that and just ran out the cliches. It's just another superhero film, just with a black cast. Completely by the numbers, even when it made no sense to go that way (did anyone really think he was killed by that fall?). Wonder Woman at least tried to say something. There was nothing close to the "no man's land" scene in Black Panther, just the same story that's been done a million times. Hero emerges, fights villain -- once to a draw, the second time losing, and the third time winning (with, of course, the people who refused to get involved show up at the last minute to save the day). It's one reason most superhero films are boring. The fight scenes were tedious (the first one in the pool was a complete waste of time -- was there any doubt as to how it would end? -- and terribly contrived ("Let's take away his powers for a few minutes so we can stage it!")) and went on far too long and so CGI laden that nothing's at stake. You want to see the concept done with some imagination, watch Black Lightning, which deals with real issues, both socially and in the realm of character development.

Edgy MD Oct 04 2018 02:08 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

We need more black superheroes without "Black" in their names.

Vic Sage Oct 12 2018 02:17 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Here are some superheroes that were conceived of as black characters (without the word "Black" or "Dark" in their names) Luke Cage Cyborg Vixen Static Steel Spawn Bishop Blade Falcon Cloak Deathlok Misty Knight Storm War Machine There have been many other superhero characters who were originally white that were later rebooted or reimagined or had spinoffs with black characters, including Green Lantern (John Stewart) and Spider-man (Miles Morales).

Benjamin Grimm Oct 12 2018 02:32 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Marvel's first black hero, T'Challa, was from Africa, and their second (or third?) was a jive-talkin' guy with a chain for a belt. (I think Falcon debuted before Luke Cage, but I'm not sure.) While it was great that Marvel was introducing black characters, it's unfortunate that they were based on how white people view black people. (They're either from Africa or from the ghetto.) I guess it's not too surprising that it started out that way, but fortunately they've moved beyond those initial stereotypes.

Centerfield Oct 15 2018 09:58 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I'm still waiting for an Asian American super hero. I think we had Samurai on SuperFriends as a kid. Can't think of anyone else.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2018 10:40 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

There was an Asian-Asgardian who was part of Thor's pack, who stood tall in Ragnorok before getting killed by Cate Blanchett. There are two (or one and half, maybe) Asian-Americans in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. One of them (or the half) is even super-powered. Some second-generation folks have been Asian-American in the comic bookz. A latter-day Hulk was a Chinese-American named Amadeus Cho. I think the mantle of Batwoman was taken on by an Asian-American. Silk is a Korean-American who also got bitten by Peter Parker's spider. The X-Men had Japanese dude Sunfire, who nobody liked, and Jubilee, the daughter of Chinese immigrants in California. She has been mostly pretty popular, as she sort of first appeared as sort of a Mary Sue character. Psylocke the psionic started off as a Brit, but ended up Asian-American after the psyche entered a nu body or something.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2018 11:07 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

There was an Asian character in the New Mutants back in the 1980s. Her name was Karma. And more recently, there was an Asian Hulk, Amadeus Cho.

Centerfield Oct 15 2018 01:24 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I'd like to see one of them make it to the big screen. Hopefully without accents and all sorts of mystical kung fu stuff.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2018 01:30 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Jubilee has appeared in a few of the X-Men films, though I don't tend to watch those. She has been portrayed by Katrina Florece, Kea Wong, and Lana Condor.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2018 02:03 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Chinese actress Fan Bingbing played Blink in X-Men: Days of Future Past.

metsmarathon Oct 16 2018 06:19 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Centerfield wrote: I'd like to see one of them make it to the big screen. Hopefully without accents and all sorts of mystical kung fu stuff. but don't all asians have mystical kung fu powers?

Vic Sage Oct 16 2018 08:37 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Centerfield wrote: I'd like to see one of them make it to the big screen. Hopefully without accents and all sorts of mystical kung fu stuff. What are you talking about? There was the Ancient One in Dr. Strange... oh, wait. Nevermind. Well, there was the Ghost in the Shell... oh, yeah. forget that one too. Well, PSylocke was played by... yeah, no. Anyway, here's an article from TWO YEARS AGO (!) with a Marvel VP talking about Asian superhero characters in films: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/lifestyl ... rse/story/ He's putting his money on Cindy Moon (aka, SILK) who is in the Spider-verse. In the meantime, we've got Colleen Wing in IRON FIST on TV, and Jubilee in the X-universe, and Mantis from Guardians, and Kitana from Suicide Squad. All of whom are supporting characters.

Centerfield Oct 16 2018 08:53 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Great article. Cebulski said Marvel must wait for the "right time" to see an Asian Superhero lead in a Marvel film. Yup.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2018 09:05 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Daniel Dae Kim, formerly of Hawaii Five-0, has said that he'd love to play the Sub-Mariner. He observed that Namor is a character who looks like he could be played by an Asian actor, and he's right. Kim is 50 years old now, so he might be too old for the part by now, but that doesn't mean that another Asian actor can't play Namor if and when he eventually comes to the screen. It's a very good idea.

Vic Sage Oct 16 2018 03:31 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Daniel Dae Kim, formerly of Hawaii Five-0, has said that he'd love to play the Sub-Mariner. He observed that Namor is a character who looks like he could be played by an Asian actor, and he's right. Kim is 50 years old now, so he might be too old for the part by now, but that doesn't mean that another Asian actor can't play Namor if and when he eventually comes to the screen. It's a very good idea. No reason an Atlantean couldn't be played by an Asian actor, and they do have similar physical characteristics.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2018 11:04 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Of course, Namor can be kind of a dick.

Edgy MD Oct 17 2018 06:32 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Just to clarify, is this a good way or a bad way to be raising a kid? [youtube:35c3lhvn]pzXL-KM2UqU[/youtube:35c3lhvn]

Vic Sage Oct 17 2018 09:27 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Edgy MD wrote: Of course, Namor can be kind of a dick. True, but he's a king. Inbreeding makes them crazy. Besides, he has a certain nobility... and read DD #7 to see him spare DD out of respect for his courage...

Centerfield Oct 17 2018 12:38 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

I mean, this is basically what LWFS and I both look like with our shirts off so yeah, either of us are on board.

TransMonk Oct 17 2018 12:41 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Huh, me too. I saw this last weekend and thought it was good fun. I'm not normally enthusiastic about the genre, but gave this one a shot based on hype.

Vic Sage Oct 18 2018 09:03 AM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Did you appreciate its utter lack of unicorns?

TransMonk Oct 18 2018 03:15 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

100%

Centerfield Dec 03 2018 12:26 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

We get our hero. Shang-Chi. Moving forward. https://deadline.com/2018/12/shang-chi- ... 202512660/

MFS62 Dec 12 2018 07:37 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Great article. Cebulski said Marvel must wait for the "right time" to see an Asian Superhero lead in a Marvel film. Yup. The first Asian comic book hero I remember was Chop-Chop, a member of the Blackhawks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhawk_%28DC_Comics%29 He started out as a stereotypical "cook and mascot" but became a valued member of the team, fighting tyranny and injustice. I collected those comic books as a kid, and later found the last issue (IIRC # 270-something) which I still have somewhere in the house. The article states that Steven Spielberg is considering a film based on the characters, so you may get that Asian hero (channeling the announcer in the trailer) "coming to a theater near YOU." Later

Vic Sage Dec 13 2018 03:33 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Blackhawks were military heroes, but not SUPERheroes.

MFS62 Dec 13 2018 03:55 PM Re: BLACK PANTHER

Vic Sage wrote: Blackhawks were military heroes, but not SUPERheroes. I know, but still... And at the end, they were battling some weird / extra-terrestrial and robotic stuff, so it was close. That's when I stopped reading it. Later