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The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Mex17 Feb 19 2018 09:00 AM

27 HRs. .282 AVG. .815 OPS. 2.7 WAR. Reasonable $5.95 million salary for 2018. Under team control through 2019. DFAed by Tampa Bay. I have to think that he lands somewhere, but imagine if he does not? If all the teams that are supposedly "tanking" (such as Miami for instance) don't even want to pick up a guy who is producing that much for that kind of salary, then the MLBPA really has a case for a either salary floor or some other such thing. The fact that the Rays did this in the first place is reason enough for the union to speak up, not to mention the Rays fan base.

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 12:35 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Dickerson had a good first half fueled by an insanely high BABIP and was garbage in the 2nd half. He is also a liability in the outfield.

Mex17 Feb 19 2018 12:48 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Nymr83 wrote: Dickerson had a good first half fueled by an insanely high BABIP and was garbage in the 2nd half. He is also a liability in the outfield. He also swung at 45.6% of the pitches that were thrown to him that were out of the strike zone. But even with all that said, running him out of the game completely at this point and in this manner would be pretty seismic, and that is where the trajectory for him currently is. A DFA is basically being cut from the team, and if no deal is made (and the Rays just purposely reduced their leverage with every other team) and if no one picks him up as a free agent in a market that is already not good for free agents, I can assure you that the MLBPA will notice.

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 01:33 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

notice what? that a bad team is cutting a bad player to save money? every time a team makes a business decision they are "running a guy out of the game" now?

Mex17 Feb 19 2018 01:42 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Nymr83 wrote: notice what? that a bad team is cutting a bad player to save money? every time a team makes a business decision they are "running a guy out of the game" now? You're making my point for me. It's one thing if the Astros, Dodgers, or Yankees have no use for the guy, but the Rays? The Rays cannot use someone who, despite the flaws revealed in the advanced analytics, had an .815 OPS and a 2.7 WAR last season? Who are the Rays going to throw out there who is going to outperform that? Plus, the flaws are acknowledged in the fact that he is making less than $6 million as opposed to something far higher. How much is Tampa Bay really saving? Even if they have some hotshot prospect that they would want to play over Dickerson, that prospect would be making the minimum which would allow the Rays to carry a $6 million veteran with power on the bench to pinch hit in key spots.

Edgy MD Feb 19 2018 01:57 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Nymr83 wrote: Dickerson had a good first half fueled by an insanely high BABIP and was garbage in the 2nd half. Hey, now, only ceetar can declare a player to be garbage.

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 02:04 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Nobody wants to carry a Dickerson on the bench, not with today's seemingly 10 man bullpens

cooby Feb 19 2018 02:53 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Swollen bullpens are going to ruin this game

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 04:27 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

cooby wrote: Swollen bullpens are going to ruin this game nah, they'll create an opportunity for the smart team that veers away from them.

Edgy MD Feb 19 2018 04:30 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Not if MLB gives in to expanding the roster. It's distressing how teams don't veer away from each other as much anymore. Some teams not wanting to take an alternative approach to counter the cultural norm is boring.

cooby Feb 19 2018 05:35 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Nymr83 wrote: cooby wrote: Swollen bullpens are going to ruin this game nah, they'll create an opportunity for the smart team that veers away from them. I wish that team would be the Mets.

cooby Feb 19 2018 05:38 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

What's gonna happen is there is going to be a bunch of sub pro relievers in the game and maybe then teams will come to their senses.

Mex17 Feb 19 2018 06:09 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

cooby wrote: What's gonna happen is there is going to be a bunch of sub pro relievers in the game and maybe then teams will come to their senses. Who knows, maybe with less kids playing football due to CTE concerns there will be more talent going into baseball. Some of that talent might go into bullpens.

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 07:14 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

or prices for relievers shoot up and cause a sudden influx of useful guys from Japan who previously wouldn't have come over to make lower non-closer relief dollars. there are many turns it can take. but i think the best thing for the health of the game is dont change the rules/roster size etc to "fix" a perceived flaw in roster construction. let the smart teams figure it out.

Edgy MD Feb 19 2018 08:46 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

If they raise the roster limit, it'll likely be far less likely about concessions to latter-day bullpen usage and far more about concessions to the MLBPA in exchange for some reciprocal offer granted back to management.

Nymr83 Feb 19 2018 09:18 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Which is fine, creating 30 or 60 high paying jobs that the industry can clearly support is not a bad thing. I just dont want current roster strategies being followed by unimaginative follow-the-leader teams to be the reason.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 20 2018 07:30 AM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

cooby wrote: cooby wrote: Swollen bullpens are going to ruin this game nah, they'll create an opportunity for the smart team that veers away from them. I wish that team would be the Mets. Buddy, not with THIS ownership group. Honestly? THAT'S my big gripe with the Wilpons. It's not "not spending," because there are reasons for that (which I may lament, but I understand... and besides, they HAVE spent). It's that they have no vision, and are completely courage -free in the way they've approached virtually every major decision -- from FA signings to stadium to marketing to black unis-- since taking control of the franchise. It's all stupid, focus-grouped, early-late-majority-instead-of-trendsetter BS. And... the Rays probably have better options. THAT'S why they're letting him go. Say what you will about the consistency of the results, but they have made bold choices with what resources they have... and have been innovators in terms of exploiting market inefficiencies.

Edgy MD Feb 20 2018 01:13 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Mallex Smith?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 21 2018 06:43 AM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

?

Edgy MD Feb 21 2018 12:19 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Mallex Smith. That's who was first on the Rays depth chart for left field at the time I made the post. That fringy, athletic guy from the Braves who hasn't really been able to establish himself as a big leaguer yet, much less a starting corner outfielder. But that was then. Now Mallex slides over to right, yielding left to whatever's left of Denard Span, as team MVP Steven Souza goes to Arizona in a three way deal. The Rays are being stripped for parts. Florida baseball!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 22 2018 04:56 AM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

They just picked up Carlos Gomez for $4M/1 year. Sheds a little more salary when compared to Dickerson, I guess. Mallex Smith looks okay, if not fully developed. I mean, for all the bellyaching from press and [url]locker room about ranking and such... the team isn't markedly worse than they were before the weekend sell off. They've got a LOT of arms behind Archer and Snell, and if they get some value from any of those guys, the Rays could be pretty damn competitive.

Frayed Knot Feb 22 2018 10:04 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Rays trade Dickerson to the Pirates in exchange for reliever Daniel Hudson, a minor leaguer, and $1 million.

Ashie62 Feb 22 2018 10:51 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Dickerson has effectively been "replaced by free agent signing Carlos Gomez.

Mex17 Feb 22 2018 11:51 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

Frayed Knot wrote: Rays trade Dickerson to the Pirates in exchange for reliever Daniel Hudson, a minor leaguer, and $1 million. I still don't quite understand how you increase your leverage for trading a guy by DFAing him first. I get that maybe it's necessary if you are really strapped for a 40-man roster spot for a guy coming in, but other than that. . .

smg58 Feb 23 2018 03:36 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

It's possible that the trade and the Gomez signing were already more or less in place, and this was more creative accounting than anything else. Still, I'm not sure what the point of this was. They got a pretty good prospect from the Yankees in their other deal, but this just seems strange. Tristan Gray (the minor leaguer in the deal) had a decent year in low A, but he plays the same position (second base) as the prospect they just got from the Yankees.

Nymr83 Feb 23 2018 04:33 PM Re: The curious case of Corey Dickerson

smg58 wrote: It's possible that the trade and the Gomez signing were already more or less in place, and this was more creative accounting than anything else. Still, I'm not sure what the point of this was. They got a pretty good prospect from the Yankees in their other deal, but this just seems strange. Tristan Gray (the minor leaguer in the deal) had a decent year in low A, but he plays the same position (second base) as the prospect they just got from the Yankees. at the Low-A level are you really concerned about the "redundancy"? if both guys pan out you can always trade for pitching later.