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2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

4 teams, two rounds of two weeks each

0 votes

4 teams, 1 week semi, 2 week finals

1 votes

6 teams, first round bye

3 votes

Ceetar Feb 22 2018 08:14 AM

Playoffs options. Playoffs will be H2H regardless of the regular season. Either 6 teams with the top two getting a bye or 4 teams. two weeks semi, two weeks final or 4 teams, 1 week semi, two weeks final. I believe this option avoids the final week of the season. I haven't put up a divisions poll yet unless H2H wins, but if we don't have H2H we have no divisions. Ranked 1-6 as obvious. seeding is still fairly obvious. 2 divisions means top 2 or top 3. 3 divisions means top 2, or top 1 and the best other record.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 22 2018 09:50 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

options 2 or 3 sound good to me. Glad to see this get accomplished!

metsmarathon Feb 26 2018 08:35 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

wait... are the playoffs also something that happens if we're still 4x4 roto?

Ceetar Feb 26 2018 08:41 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

metsmarathon wrote: wait... are the playoffs also something that happens if we're still 4x4 roto? yes. they'll just be ranked by finish.

metsmarathon Feb 26 2018 08:52 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

but in the playoffs, the scoring format switches over to h2h points, and not roto format, correct?

Ceetar Feb 26 2018 08:56 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

yup.

metsmarathon Feb 26 2018 08:59 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

hmm... seems kinda half-baked on that end, no? i mean, why not run roto stats for the week? (i know, you're not the one coding it) i like the appeal of playoffs, but i wonder if it's just too much not ready for prime time that it'll end up further fracturing our delicate league. maybe i just need to run some numbers and see how much it actually affects my valuations of players. if good players stay good irrespective of the format, and bad players stay bad, then it's no net difference. if there's some major differences, then it will require further thought. i do find it odd that pitcher stats do not include blown saves, for one...

Ceetar Feb 26 2018 09:07 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

a little, yes. I mean, Fantasy in September with roster additions is crazy anyway. Even without the playoffs the actual winner could come down to picking up the right fluky guy that happens to get a lot of playing time in September off garbage pitchers on a bad team. Might as well do it showdown style.

metsmarathon Feb 26 2018 09:30 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

fluky is one thing. switching formats is another. though i suppose the analogy would be akin to doing shootouts in hockey at the end of overtime.

Ceetar Feb 26 2018 09:46 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

metsmarathon wrote: fluky is one thing. switching formats is another. though i suppose the analogy would be akin to doing shootouts in hockey at the end of overtime. I mean, we decide the baseball champion by a tournament after a division format regular season. It's not like that's the best representation of the best team either.

metsmarathon Feb 27 2018 06:51 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

no but we also don't switch from counting runs to determine a winner to counting total bases.

metsmarathon Mar 13 2018 06:46 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

just so you know, the non-forum members who work with me are not at all happy with the playoff format change. i don't disagree with them. i like the appeal of playoffs, but not with the format change. that's just absurd. seriously, i think you're in danger of ruining my favorite fantasy league.

Ceetar Mar 13 2018 07:14 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

metsmarathon wrote: just so you know, the non-forum members who work with me are not at all happy with the playoff format change. i don't disagree with them. i like the appeal of playoffs, but not with the format change. that's just absurd. seriously, i think you're in danger of ruining my favorite fantasy league. Only one person chimed in. The overwhelming support was for playoffs.

metsmarathon Mar 13 2018 09:29 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

there was no option for "no playoffs". the three outsiders that i work with all do not favor the playoffs (specifically the format change for the playoffs). this includes all past champions of the league. my prospective new guy is also not in favor of the playoff format change, for the record. if playoffs could be done with the 4x4 roto scoring, then i think it would be a whole lot different. in this thread, there are 4 votes for a playoff format. one of those is mine, as if i'm forced to participate in playoffs, then i'd like 6 teams. assuming the other three votes are from participants who are actually interested in having playoffs, then you have at most three votes in favor of playoffs, and five votes against. plus two additional outside players who do not have access to this forum, whose voices have yet to be heard. i think your assessment of "overwhelming support" is far overblown. i'll put it this way. switching formats from 4x4 roto to points h2h for the playoffs is going to cause up to 4 teams to leave the league. do we really have anyone jumping up and down that they're not going to want to play if we do not switch over to playoffs? the best course of action is to, at a minimum put off any format change, including playoffs, until next offseason, when it can be factored into our arbitration and keeper rationale. it also gives ottoneu a chance to figure out how to run 4x4 h2h, either for a full season or just in the playoffs. switching scoring formats for the playoffs is preposterous, and will destroy the league. and by "destroy the league" i mean, cause a sizaeable portion of it to leave.

Ceetar Mar 13 2018 09:37 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

There are other places to chime in than here and I only heard from one person that was against it. I'll need some convincing that anyone would've done arbitration or keepers differently because of a slightly different format for September. I don't see what anyone's up in arms about. We'll still have a regular season 'champion' and the official but still just for fun with no additional accolades 'winner' will be determined by a little different arrangement of stats rather than who got lucky and drafted/kept the breakout guys in April and accumulated stats. It seems like such a minute difference to get up in arms about, and there were plenty of complaints about the current system anyway and the disinterest late in the season, etc. Anyone else want to weigh in?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 13 2018 09:42 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

I don;t really care. We're not even playing for money but if we are we can among ourselves declare a champion after the regular season and a playoff champ. In that case open it up to as many as they will allow. It just seems with 12 teams its way too easy to finish in the middle of the pack, and there's nothing to play for.

metsmarathon Mar 13 2018 09:52 AM Re: 2018 Otto: How Many Playoff Teams?

but anyone who is at the bottom of the league isn't going to become suddenly interested because they cannot make it into the 6-team playoffs. i finished 3rd last year, and up until the last week, i still had a shot at winning, if a few things broke right. when one team runs away with it, fine, there might not be much competition. but that's not always the case. as far as keepers... i paid no attention to how many stolen bases anyone is projected to get. none. CS either. not a factor. what's billy hamilton getting valued at right now? across all of ottoneu, billy hamilton is an $11 player. in our format, he's worthless. but in the playoffs? he's tremendously valuable. on my roster, i gave no concern to saves or holds. wasn't a factor. i just cut two players who reliably should get 20 holds in will harris and jake mcgee. maybe i keep them with points. i just don't know. i didn't look into it. maybe chad green and nate jones aren't as valuable to me now. who knows! it's a minute difference? it's how we determine who won the damn league!