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Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield Feb 20 2018 04:22 PM

An interesting development. The students also criticized the National Rifle Association and lawmakers who take money from the organization. "Disband. Dismantle. Don't make another organization under a different name. Don't you dare come back here," Gonzalez said. Of the politicians who receive financial contributions from the NRA, Gonzalez said, "We keep telling them that if they accept this blood money, they are against the children ... You're either funding the killers, or you're standing with the children. The children who have no money. We don't have jobs, so we can't pay for your campaign. We would hope that you have the decent morality to support us at this point." https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/politics ... index.html

Edgy MD Feb 20 2018 04:34 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

You know, all those novels of dystopia we've been feeding them ... either they were going to depress the generation into despairing entropy or teach them how to heroically defy a system meant to consume them. Here's to the hint of the latter scenario beginning to play itself out.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 20 2018 04:37 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I'm voting for Emma Gonzalez for President in 2036.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 20 2018 04:38 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

This student's movement is something else. They've even got Trump stumped. Uncharacteristically, Trump hasn't insulted them or pushed back in any way. One of those kids even told Trump to go fuck himself in a tweet.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 20 2018 04:39 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I don't expect it to play out this way, but I would like to think that this could possibly be the tipping point that brings down the NRA, the way that Bill Cosby and Kevin Spacey were brought down after coasting along for so many years.

Centerfield Feb 20 2018 04:49 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

That anyone would even consider taking the NRA's side on this is appalling.

Edgy MD Feb 20 2018 04:53 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

The NRA has ridden out storms before. They lay low and let their advocates and puppets take the heat. But some are shaking off the the talking points and hinting at the emergence of independent thoughts. Some. Hinting. I hope the students walk out and stay out. And here's to high schoolers across the country joining them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 20 2018 04:56 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I fear what's going to happen is the Rs will introduce some spotty toothless legislation that will make no difference, call it the "Safety for All Kids Act" pass it and say they accomplished something.

Centerfield Feb 20 2018 05:09 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

huge round of applause to this guy. Share the fuck out of this video please. https://www.facebook.com/WorldNewsTonig ... 511143812/

Edgy MD Feb 20 2018 05:10 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I fear what's going to happen is the Rs will introduce some spotty toothless legislation that will make no difference, call it the "Safety for All Kids Act" pass it and say they accomplished something. Yeah, that's another reason why they need to be swamped in the Fall, despite their gilded, gerrymandered existence. ="The Washington Post"]One White House official said the [Parkland, Fla., school shooting] forced the White House to focus on critical and serious issues — like consoling the victims and trying to heal the nation — rather than getting bogged down in what they view as more trivial West Wing drama. “For everyone, it was a distraction or a reprieve,” said the White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect internal conversations. “A lot of people here felt like it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled.” The official likened the brief political calm to the aftermath of the October shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 dead and hundreds more injured. That tragedy united White House aides and the country in their shared mourning for the victims and their families. “But as we all know, sadly, when the coverage dies down a little bit, we’ll be back through the chaos,” the official said.

You hear that?! Children murdered, families destroyed, and communities gutted for a generation has an upside! It takes the heat off the president and allows his staff to decompress!

They need to be exiled. They don't deserve to die on American soil.

Lefty Specialist Feb 20 2018 06:03 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Edgy MD wrote: The NRA has ridden out storms before. They lay low and let their advocates and puppets take the heat. But some are shaking off the the talking points and hinting at the emergence of independent thoughts. Some. Hinting. I hope the students walk out and stay out. And here's to high schoolers across the country joining them. The NRA will lay low; they've been through this drill before. The outrage, the call for action, any action, the tentative remarks by a few legislators that dissolve into inaction. I'm betting they'll lay low a little extra longer now. But you can bet your bottom dollar they're working the phones to their friends as we speak, like any lobby does, strategizing how to minimize or divert anything substantive coming out of this. Is it a tipping point? Hell, I thought Sandy Hook was a tipping point and things have only gotten worse since then. It all depends on the kids. If they keep the pressure up maybe something will happen. One point to remember is that teenagers are the most social-media savvy of us all. Adults have screwed this up for years, maybe it's time to turn things over to the high schoolers. And yes, Emma Gonzalez '36.

Centerfield Feb 22 2018 03:26 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I can’t believe what these assholes are saying about these brave kids. We’re fucking done. This country is hopeless.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 22 2018 04:38 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield wrote: I can’t believe what these assholes are saying about these brave kids. We’re fucking done. This country is hopeless. I mean... these InfoWarriors said some of the same things about the dead elementary school kids and their grieving parents from Newtown. So, yeah, it's not unbelievable to me. Unconscionable, sure, but I completely buy it.

Centerfield Feb 22 2018 03:04 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

You're right. I don't know why I continue to be surprised, but each time I am. The lows to which these guys are willing to dip. It's a total copout, but I may have to disengage from this a bit. Listening to all the parents is too much. It feels like I'm getting stabbed when I hear them talk. How anyone can take money from the NRA is beyond me. Just sickening.

Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2018 08:28 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Well, based on the NRA response today at CPAC, they're not backing down an inch. Strap on your helmets, kids. I admit I have the 'old person's' view of this. I've seen the outrage morph into inaction dozens of times. It's made me bitter and cynical about what can be accomplished. These teenagers are not as jaded as I am, and they're pissed. I asked my son, who's 22 and who went through innumerable active shooter drills in high school, if he's surprised at this. He said, no, most kids have felt this way for a long time. They took these drills the same way a previous generation took 'duck and cover' drills; something you have to go through but you know damn well that if the real thing happens drills won't make a damn bit of difference. The difference is that somebody finally stood up and said 'enough of this bullshit'. If it wasn't the Parkland kids it would have been someone else, he feels. The students are not going to get much the first time around, but they have to be ready to deal with that disappointment and keep moving. An object lesson of this is when the Florida legislature tabled an assault weapons control bill right in front of kids that had just traveled 7 hours to Tallahassee. They instead voted to declare porn a public health menace. Guns are apparently not as dangerous as Stormy Daniels. But there just seems to be a little something different in the air this time. Hell, they got Trump to actually pretend he cares, even if he needed crib notes to do so. All those kids who are tired of the active shooter drills finally found a voice. The old cynic in me says they're doomed to disappointment. The kid in me hopes they're on to something. I'll be in DC on March 24th to find out.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 22 2018 09:25 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

They can vote this administration out, who blames the problem on everything under the sun except the actual guns. Porn and bump stocks and, oh my, divisiness. Assuming they can even vote. Or they can talk a good game and in the end, vote for the presidential candidate who ran the most virulent anti gun control campaign in this country's history. If enough people truly want meaningful gun control, they should be able to do something. Me, I think. change is likelier when it happens to Paul Ryan's kid.

Ashie62 Feb 22 2018 11:00 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I don't want armed "trained" teachers and security personnel in schools. We need less guns in schools. It likely will not happen but: Ban assault rifles Pass state legislation empowering family, teachers and police to go to court to get a "time out" on persons who are unstable. NJ has this on track, we shall see. Minimum age for gun purchase raised to 18. I would say the NRA wants more guns in school.

Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2018 11:55 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Me, I think. change is likelier when it happens to Paul Ryan's kid. Steve Scalese was seriously wounded at that softball game and he said the experience made him even MORE opposed to gun control. So it doesn't necessarily follow.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 23 2018 12:39 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Me, I think. change is likelier when it happens to Paul Ryan's kid. Steve Scalese was seriously wounded at that softball game and he said the experience made him even MORE opposed to gun control. So it doesn't necessarily follow. Good point. Maybe I should've quit at "vote them out". They'll sell their own kids for suitcases stuffed with cash.

Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2018 01:10 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Uh-oh. The school's campus cop, AKA the 'good guy with a gun' was afraid to go into the school while the shooting was going on. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dougla ... ocid=ientp Kinda makes 'we should arm the teachers' sound even stupider, if that's possible.

cooby Feb 23 2018 02:47 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

who wouldn't be scared. Armed teachers? I would heavily hope my daughter would instantly resign. They are not paid to be SWAT personnel

Nymr83 Feb 23 2018 02:57 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: Uh-oh. The school's campus cop, AKA the 'good guy with a gun' was afraid to go into the school while the shooting was going on. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dougla ... ocid=ientp Kinda makes 'we should arm the teachers' sound even stupider, if that's possible. I saw that - he retired/resigned before they could fire his ass. making an effort to go out and arm teachers as part of their job responsibility doesn't make much sense. Allowing those who WANT to be armed to do so does make some sense to me - but we need to recognize that in most cases these are not trained security personnel and the risk of a kid getting their hands on it are probably too high without safeguards such as requiring biometric trigger locks (side note: the technology on these is rapidly getting to the point where there is not going to be a reasonable argument [cost or reliability] against requiring them in general)

Edgy MD Feb 23 2018 03:16 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I don't blame the guy. We all think we're heroes, but almost nobody knows what it's like to try to process that craziness in real time. The shooter was only in the building for seven minutes, and a few of those minutes passed before this deputy arrived. He didn't know if there were multiple shooters or if they were all around him or what. That same sheriff's department was watching security footage on 20-minute delay without realizing it, and thought the guy was still in the building when he was at Wal-Mart buying a drink. The issue is not the lack of heroes who are courageous enough to outshoot a rampaging maniac armed to the teeth, and the sooner we move away from that sort of thinking, the better. The issue is the lack of legislators who are courageous enough to pass legislation that all human sense and all holy sense is calling them to do.

Centerfield Feb 23 2018 12:43 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I feel for the guy. You just never know how anyone will react in that situation. Trained soldiers and police are known to freeze all the time. We all think we would run in, but if our brain is telling us running in is suicide, I don’t know. Put that guy on suicide watch. Anger should not be directed at him but rather the assholes who voted to arm the shooter.

Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2018 12:56 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

The problem is that the guy knew he was outgunned. It's why cops across the nation want to ban the sale of military-style weapons to civilians. THEY'RE the ones who have to face them, and they know they don't have a chance. Not defending his actions. Firemen rush into burning buildings because that's their job. But it should give any rational person pause to think about how dangerous an assault rifle is.

MFS62 Feb 23 2018 01:01 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield wrote: I feel for the guy. You just never know how anyone will react in that situation. Trained soldiers and police are known to freeze all the time. We all think we would run in, but if our brain is telling us running in is suicide, I don’t know. Put that guy on suicide watch. Anger should not be directed at him but rather the assholes who voted to arm the shooter. I've had automatic weapons fired in my direction, missing me by about three feet. Even though you are trained to do it, exposing your position and firing back is the farthest thing from your mind. You don't want to do anything but crawl up into a little ball and hope it will pass. Some people snap out of it, remember their mission and respond faster than others. I don't blame the guard. If assault weapons were banned and the kid had a pistol or just a knife, maybe the guard would have reacted faster. Later

cooby Feb 23 2018 05:52 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

That's exactly what I'm thinking. For the "President" to call him a coward is just one more reason to despise Trump

Benjamin Grimm Feb 23 2018 06:06 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Trump is the proverbial pot that calls the kettle black. Actually, he's the pot that calls a blue kettle black. Every character trait that he condemns in others are his own flaws, and, usually, not those of the person he's attacking. I imagine that mental health professionals all over the world are struggling to hold their tongues. Some day, when all this is in the past, biographers and historians are going to do all kinds of retroactive diagnostics of what was wrong with Trump.

cooby Feb 23 2018 06:33 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

In a word, he's a bully

Benjamin Grimm Feb 23 2018 06:39 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Stuff like this gives me hope that the NRA may actually go the way of Kevin Spacey and Bill Cosby: #BoycottNRA: More companies are cutting ties with gun lobby as movement gains steam Three major companies — Enterprise Holdings, First National Bank of Omaha and the cybersecurity giant Symantec — have ended co-branding partnerships with the National Rifle Association as a #BoycottNRA social media movement picks up steam. Enterprise is the parent company of three car-rental brands: Enterprise, Alamo and National. The arrangement that offered discounts to NRA members was discontinued Thursday. On Friday, Symantec Corp. announced in a terse statement on Twitter that it had also ended its discount program with the gun-rights organization. The company, which provides cybersecurity solutions worldwide, had been offering discounts on Norton anti-virus and malware protection, cutting prices on its premium package from $110 to $48 for NRA members. The Omaha bank appears to have been the first to respond. “Customer feedback has caused us to review our relationship with the NRA,” the bank said in a statement posted on Twitter. “As a result, First National Bank of Omaha will not renew its contract with the National Rifle Association to issue the NRA Visa Card.” Enterprise followed a few hours later on Thursday. “All three of our brands have ended the discount for NRA members,” said a tweet on the Enterprise Rent-A-Car account.

Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2018 07:52 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

You hit them in the pocketbook. Paypal doesn't allow guns to be purchased on their platform. Getting Visa, Mastercard and American Express to stop accepting gun transactions would do more for gun control than a thousand marches. A long shot perhaps, but there's been chatter about it. Meanwhile: The latest company to distance itself from the NRA was insurer Chubb Ltd (CB.N), which on Friday said it would stop underwriting a controversial NRA-branded insurance policy for gun owners that covers legal costs in self-defense shootings.

Edgy MD Feb 23 2018 08:30 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: You hit them in the pocketbook. Paypal doesn't allow guns to be purchased on their platform. Getting Visa, Mastercard and American Express to stop accepting gun transactions would do more for gun control than a thousand marches. A long shot perhaps, but there's been chatter about it. Work on Wal-Mart.

Lefty Specialist Feb 23 2018 08:37 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

And Dick's Sporting Goods. Cabela's is too much in Gun Country, though.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 23 2018 09:16 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Hertz is also withdrawing the NRA discount. Momentum! Let's keep it going!

d'Kong76 Feb 23 2018 09:41 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Metlife, Chubb

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 23 2018 09:45 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

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MFS62 Feb 23 2018 09:49 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Best Western Hotels discontinue NRA membership benefits. Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 23 2018 09:53 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Avis and Budget too. Huffington Post is listing some companies that have not (yet) bailed on the NRA, including some biggies like Amazon, Apple, Google, FedEx, and AT&T. These Companies Are Sticking By The NRA Hopefully all or most of them will join the parade!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 23 2018 10:36 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I don't think WMT has a relationship with NRA. They stopped selling ARs several years ago which couldn't have been popular. These member-discount discontinuations are small potatoes I think for the companies but glad to see sentiment building against the org.

Edgy MD Feb 23 2018 11:16 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't think WMT has a relationship with NRA. They stopped selling ARs several years ago which couldn't have been popular. These member-discount discontinuations are small potatoes I think for the companies but glad to see sentiment building against the org. Yeah, but NRA are just the fuckos defending and enabling this gun culture. But the culture is the real target, and if it is going to change, the retailers need to get on board, and the 'Mart is the biggest. But if they're ahead of me in dropping assault weapons, then I salute.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 24 2018 10:40 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Add Best Western, United, and Delta to the list.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 26 2018 03:52 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

In her role as top advisor to the president, school safety and all-around firearms expert, first count daughter Ivanka Trump, declares her father's idiotic idea for arming teachers to be worthy of discussion.

Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2018 01:35 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

We used to ask the parents of kids my son played with if they had a gun in the house. If I had a second grader, I'd like to know the same thing about their teacher. And if they did have a gun I would immediately ask for a transfer to another teacher who wasn't a fatal accident waiting to happen. Arming teachers is such a monumentally stupid idea on multiple levels, but it's the kind of idiotic solution you come up with when you don't allow the premise of the restriction of guns in any way. It's like trying to cure cancer by giving the patient more cigarettes.

MFS62 Feb 26 2018 01:59 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

(Channeling Bill Maher, and paraphrasing one of his stand-up routines) If someone tells you they want to buy a gun, ask them if they already have one. If they say "no", enter into a discussion with them and try to dissuade them. If they say "yes", ask them how small their dick is. Later

d'Kong76 Feb 26 2018 03:15 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Fuck Bill Maher and asking guys how big their dick is. I'm glad teachers weren't armed when I was in school. I'm certain I would have been shot a number of times.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 26 2018 03:52 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Was there a batmag typo or a new CPF word filter?

metsmarathon Feb 26 2018 03:56 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

i simply cannot fathom the depths of idiocy that arming teachers plunges to. it goes so deep as to punch clear through to the core of dumbness. i mean, hell, we've got teachers who hit kids, beat kids, treat kids like shit, berate kids, expose themselves to kids, abuse kids, and fuck kids, and now, all of a sudden, we're going to arm them!? the fuck are you kidding me?!

d'Kong76 Feb 26 2018 03:58 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

^^ amen ^^

cooby Feb 26 2018 04:00 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

It makes a teacher also a police officer. And they are getting shot by the dozens. I hate the idea. My daughter's a teacher. And I know she knows how to shoot a gun, but to make a split second decision like that? With 25 10 year olds between her and her target?

Ceetar Feb 26 2018 04:02 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

cooby wrote: It makes a teacher also a police officer. And they are getting shot by the dozens. I hate the idea. My daughter's a teacher. And I know she knows how to shoot a gun, but to make a split second decision like that? With 25 10 year olds between her and her target? is it the target? or is a newer teacher she doesn't recognize also 'defending' the students?

cooby Feb 26 2018 04:04 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 26 2018 04:05 PM

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Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2018 04:04 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Once the NRA gets the teachers armed, they'll be pushing for the students to be armed, so that a 'good student with a gun' can take out a 'bad teacher with a gun'. Oh, and vice versa.

cooby Feb 26 2018 04:04 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Ceetar wrote: cooby wrote: It makes a teacher also a police officer. And they are getting shot by the dozens. I hate the idea. My daughter's a teacher. And I know she knows how to shoot a gun, but to make a split second decision like that? With 25 10 year olds between her and her target? is it the target? or is a newer teacher she doesn't recognize also 'defending' the students? Hey she has one second to decide, right? It is just idiotic. And the NRA would love it.

MFS62 Feb 26 2018 04:09 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Ceetar wrote: is it the target? or is a newer teacher she doesn't recognize also 'defending' the students? Exactly - separating the good guys from the bad guys would be a huge problem. Not just a new teacher, but when a well-trained team shows up and doesn't know anyone there. Everyone carrying a gun is a threat. Later

Mets Willets Point Feb 26 2018 04:35 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

People keep says the NRA wants to "give" guns to teachers. The truth is they want teachers (or more likely school districts) to "buy" guns. Click-bang-ca-ching!

Edgy MD Feb 26 2018 05:24 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

It's also big-ass $$ for the NRA if they or affiliated agencies get contracted to train millions of teachers across the country. It's crazy-pants.

Vic Sage Feb 26 2018 05:31 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

You know who says "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"? The fella selling the motherfucking guns, that's who.

Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2018 06:43 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Oh, heavens to Murgatroyd. The president suggested he personally would have taken action in a similar situation. He called the sheriff's office's conduct "disgusting" and said the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners." "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," the president told a meeting of 39 state governors at the White House. Wonder how loud the laughter was. Please get this man in a room with Robert Mueller, stat.

MFS62 Feb 26 2018 06:50 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: Oh, heavens to Murgatroyd. The president suggested he personally would have taken action in a similar situation. He called the sheriff's office's conduct "disgusting" and said the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners." "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," the president told a meeting of 39 state governors at the White House. Wonder how loud the laughter was. Please get this man in a room with Robert Mueller, stat. The six time draft dodging coward, Capt. Bone Spurs, said what? What BS. How can anyone who wears, or ever wore, a uniform support this person? Later

Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2018 06:52 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

How can anyone who ever wore CLOTHES support this person?

cooby Feb 26 2018 06:55 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: Oh, heavens to Murgatroyd. The president suggested he personally would have taken action in a similar situation. He called the sheriff's office's conduct "disgusting" and said the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners." "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," the president told a meeting of 39 state governors at the White House. Wonder how loud the laughter was. Please get this man in a room with Robert Mueller, stat. A padded room

Lefty Specialist Feb 26 2018 07:44 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Edgy MD Feb 26 2018 07:49 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

MFS62 wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Oh, heavens to Murgatroyd. The president suggested he personally would have taken action in a similar situation. He called the sheriff's office's conduct "disgusting" and said the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners." "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this room would have done that too," the president told a meeting of 39 state governors at the White House. Wonder how loud the laughter was. Please get this man in a room with Robert Mueller, stat. The six time draft dodging coward, Capt. Bone Spurs, said what? What BS. How can anyone who wears, or ever wore, a uniform support this person? Later That's Cadet Bone Spurs. Let's not honor him with an actual rank, let alone an officer's commission.

d'Kong76 Feb 26 2018 07:54 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: Bwahahaha; harder to stop watching this over and over than Willet's flying toast.

dgwphotography Feb 26 2018 08:28 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist wrote: I’m dying here... This has to be the funniest thing I’ve seen here

Edgy MD Feb 26 2018 08:36 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

The fact that his actual reaction was to a balloon popping is even more telling. And when Secret Service agents rushed to Secretary Clinton's side during a perceived threat around the same time in the campaign, she kept her head so calmly and waited it out, advocates of then-Candidate Trump used it as part of the batshit crazy theory that she was suffering a seizure and had to be jump-started with an EpiPen.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 26 2018 10:14 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

It's the biggest load of shit. If anything, the armed guard at the high school should have made people realize a whole lot of things about the relationship between human nature and reality and their fantasy heroism.

Centerfield Feb 27 2018 01:16 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

When Trump spoke at the NRA convention, guns were banned. https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics ... index.html You'd figure, there should have been plenty of good guys with guns around, including, you know, the Secret Service.

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 02:42 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield wrote: When Trump spoke at the NRA convention, guns were banned. https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics ... index.html You'd figure, there should have been plenty of good guys with guns around, including, you know, the Secret Service. When Bloomberg speaks about Gun Control, he is surrounded by armed guards that only someone with his wealth can afford. Members of Congress who are against Armed protection for school children have armed protection for themselves, paid for by us, at their workplace. Most politicians are hypocrites.

Edgy MD Feb 27 2018 04:01 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Professionals with sidearms and civilians with weapons of war certainly aren't the same thing. Our lack of restrictions isn't about protecting children. Anybody who thinks it is has a mountain of dead bodies to dispute. Plenty of schools have armed guards and that isn't a policy that was established either way in Congress.

Lefty Specialist Feb 27 2018 01:06 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Nymr83 wrote: When Trump spoke at the NRA convention, guns were banned. https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics ... index.html You'd figure, there should have been plenty of good guys with guns around, including, you know, the Secret Service. When Bloomberg speaks about Gun Control, he is surrounded by armed guards that only someone with his wealth can afford. Members of Congress who are against Armed protection for school children have armed protection for themselves, paid for by us, at their workplace. Most politicians are hypocrites. Yeah, I've heard this one plenty of times. Michael Bloomberg is a target, quite literally. He's received thousands of death threats, and the people he's pissed off the most are the ones who have the most guns. So the fact that he has armed security isn't hypocritical. He's not stupid. You do have to surrender your weapons when you go to NRA headquarters in Washington DC, though. They're not stupid, either.

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 02:22 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

no they are not stupid, they are just hypocrits too.

Ceetar Feb 27 2018 02:27 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Nymr83 wrote: When Trump spoke at the NRA convention, guns were banned. https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics ... index.html You'd figure, there should have been plenty of good guys with guns around, including, you know, the Secret Service. When Bloomberg speaks about Gun Control, he is surrounded by armed guards that only someone with his wealth can afford. Members of Congress who are against Armed protection for school children have armed protection for themselves, paid for by us, at their workplace. Most politicians are hypocrites. Not even close to the same thing. Bloomberg isn't advocating a complete gun ban, and even if he were, he wouldn't be advocating for it immediately this second because that's silly. We've probably passed the point where we can get every* last gun destroyed to the point that we can get them out of police hands too.

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 05:02 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

A Boy Named Seo Feb 27 2018 05:44 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Since that's exactly the same situation, I guess Trump definitely would have been brave enough to charge into that school to try to stop a shooter mowing humans down with an AR-15. I stand corrected.

Nymr83 Feb 27 2018 06:05 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Since that's exactly the same situation, I guess Trump definitely would have been brave enough to charge into that school to try to stop a shooter mowing humans down with an AR-15. I stand corrected. not the same situation, but an effective counter to the dumbass balloon popping thing.

Lefty Specialist Feb 27 2018 06:11 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 27 2018 06:12 PM

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowit ... etter%20(1)

batmagadanleadoff Feb 27 2018 06:11 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I call bat shit. That story's disputed. Which means it's likelier than not to be bullshit, this being about Trump. Google Trump, bat and Daily Caller.

Ceetar Feb 27 2018 06:37 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Since that's exactly the same situation, I guess Trump definitely would have been brave enough to charge into that school to try to stop a shooter mowing humans down with an AR-15. I stand corrected. Sure, like one person in the story claimed, he'd probably run in after the shooter was down and be ready to talk to the press about how heroic he was. The guy's afraid to walk up stairs. The only thing keeping him from demanding all White House stuff goes on on the first floor is that Obama didn't decree the exact opposite.

Edgy MD Feb 27 2018 07:15 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Nymr83 wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Since that's exactly the same situation, I guess Trump definitely would have been brave enough to charge into that school to try to stop a shooter mowing humans down with an AR-15. I stand corrected. not the same situation, but an effective counter to the dumbass balloon popping thing. Actually, I think I'm wrong, and the incident at the Trump rally was a guy jumping a barrier. Beyond that, I'm not buying the Trump-stops-brutal-beating story. In fact, seeing as there were only two witnesses, and the only one giving her name says he didn't arrive until after the perp fled, the facts of the story undermine the credibility of it's own lede.

Centerfield Feb 27 2018 07:24 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Nymr83 wrote: I feel like we have been over this a million times. Some journalists can be sloppy about sources. That percentage is, in my opinion, much higher amongst sports writers. When you are blowing the whistle on the polluting factory or the criminal activity of a politician, I will accept there may be some legitimate need for protection. When you are reporting that the Mets might be interested in signing a player, I consider it purely unsubstatiated rumor unless a source is named with a high likelihood of being totally false. Doesnt mean it wont sell advertising or make for interesting off-season conversation at the CPF. But the opinions of everyone here are likely just as valid as the "source" and are even generally more interesting.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 27 2018 08:01 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

The vid of Trump ducking behind the podium is hilarious because it makes him look like the dopey turd that he is. But neither that or some account of him pulling over his limo to yell at a guy with a baseball bat is indicative of how he (or anyone) would react to an assault rifle mass-murder in progress. I mean, no one thinks GWB is John McClain because he ducked a shoe pitched at his head, right? Right??

Edgy MD Feb 27 2018 08:27 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Hey, wait, that was TWO shoes.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 27 2018 09:53 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Hey, wait, that was TWO shoes. I believe you're right. This demands a script. OPENING SCENE FADE IN: EXT. NAKATOMI PLAZA - NIGHT Gunfire pierces the night sky. Fire and smoke bellow from busted out windows. A black limousine stops in front of Nakatomi Plaza. The rear window cracks. We see only the puffy nest of hair belonging to DONALD TRUMP. INT. NAKATOMI PLAZA LOBBY- NIGHT A barefoot GEORGE W BUSH pulls glass from his bleeding feet. He is wearing a stained tank-top undershirt, and bloody and torn khaki pants. Light fixtures blink on and off. Smoke waits through the plaza conference room. Broken glass is strewn across the floor. BUSH (sarcastically, to himself) "Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs..." Gunfire sounds in the near distance. BUSH lays flat and begins crawling across the floor to safety. Outside TRUMP hears the latest rounds of gunfire and despite not having a weapon, bravely exits his limousine and calmly lumbers towards the front door of Nakatomi Plaza, where he finds a security guard, but realizes she's been shot dead. TRUMP "Hey, I need somebody over here to clean up this mess. It's very very bloody. Like, blood is coming out of her, wherever." More shots are fired. BUSH sees TRUMP speaking to no one and shouts to him from across the lobby. BUSH "Hey, asshole, get down!" TRUMP "This suit is made of the finest materials in China. I've heard the workers are very lazy, but I look good right? I've heard many people say..." Bullets whiz past TRUMP'S head and BUSH yells to him again. BUSH "Those are terrorists, you idiot! I said get down!" TRUMP "I didn't see any muslims anywhere. Just some nicely dressed Europeans outside the building." BUSH "Those ARE the terrorists, now get down, you idiot!" TRUMP "I'm in the best shape ever, I mean, no one's in better shape than me, OK, but it's very hard to kneel with these terrible bone spurs I have." TRUMP then catches a glimpse of a phone on the wall in the security guard break room and thinks to call for police help. As gunfire blasts across the room, he slowly walks towards the break room phone, shoulders slumped, his long, red tie dangling well past his belt line in front of his crotch. TRUMP "I have the best plan to stop these terrorists." BUSH "Great, what's the goddamn plan?" TRUMP "I can't tell you, but trust me, it's the best plan there is. I'm, like, a genius. The best genius there is." BUSH shakes his head dejectedly. TRUMP reaches the break room safely, but as he approaches the phone on the wall, he notices abandoned bags of fast food from the McDonald's restaurant. TRUMP stops, looks at the phone, the bags of food, the phone again, then walks to the break table, pulls back the chair and takes a seat. Minutes pass. BUSH "Where the hell are you, man? What's happening??" The table is littered with crumpled up papers which once held Filet-O-Fish™ and Big Mac™ sandwiches. A bead of sweat creeps down from the broom-like piece of hair covering TRUMP'S head. His face is a shade or deep red indicating that he is locked in a dire struggle. BUSH "What's going on, man??!?" TRUMP continues to eat, forcing another wedge of fried fish past his thin, wet lips into his mouth and bulging cheeks. Another bead of sweat escapes down his forehead. TRUMP reaches for his Diet Coke™, but finds the plastic bottle to be empty. The piece of fried fish fights as TRUMP tries in vain to swallow. He coughs and gurgles. The red of his face turns to a shade of purple, and then again to a deep blue. BUSH continues to yell from across the lobby. The camera pans to see TRUMP'S lifeless hand fall to his side, the plastic bottle of Diet Coke™ hitting the linoleum floor and rolling away... BUSH crawls on his stomach to the break room, grabs TRUMP by his small, greasy hand and finds no pulse as he holds TRUMP'S wrist. BUSH glances to TRUMP'S shoes, removes them from TRUMP'S feet and tries to squeeze them onto his own bloody feet, but they don't fit. BUSH "Billions and billions served and they gotta kill one with feet smaller than my sister." BUSH casts TRUMP'S small shoes aside and pulls the phone from the receiver and realizes he has no phone numbers memorized. He rummages through the breast pocket of TRUMP'S suit coat and finds an address book. He dials... VOICE ON THE OTHER END "Hello?" END SCENE.

MFS62 Feb 27 2018 10:25 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Holy CRAP! That was terrific! Can we [crossout:1ph00a4n]steal[/crossout:1ph00a4n] [crossout:1ph00a4n]plagiarize[/crossout:1ph00a4n] share that with friends and family? Later

TransMonk Feb 28 2018 01:13 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 28 2018 01:17 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

lolooollllol

MFS62 Feb 28 2018 02:41 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Dick's Sporting Good to stop selling assault rifles. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/dicks-sportin ... ll-brknews Later

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2018 03:40 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 28 2018 03:54 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Frayed Knot wrote: Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea. But today they don't. That's way more meaningful than some company no longer offering a 10% discount to NRA members.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2018 04:31 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea. But today they don't. That's way more meaningful than some company no longer offering a 10% discount to NRA members. I know. Georgia's threatening to pull Delta's $50M tax break after the latter ends its own NRA discount. I know it's not that simple but wouldn't it be great if Delta could tell Georgia to go fuck itself and move it's main headquarters to a blue state?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 28 2018 04:39 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Would be.

Lefty Specialist Feb 28 2018 04:41 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Delta should threaten them right back with the potential for job losses. Airlines can move parts of their operations around if they want to. Not the whole thing, but enough to get attention. And Dick's temporarily suspended assault rifle sales after Sandy Hook, then quietly restarted them later. This time, though, it looks like a permanent stop.

Chad Ochoseis Feb 28 2018 06:05 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

If it isn't that easy for them to move their operations, this all raises the question of why Delta was getting a $50M tax break in the first place.

Centerfield Feb 28 2018 06:16 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Frayed Knot wrote: Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea. That you can buy an AR-15 in the next aisle down from a badminton set is just terrifying.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 28 2018 06:43 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 28 2018 06:46 PM

The governors of New York and Virginia both just tweeted out invitations for Delta to come on over, and to bring its HQ.

Frayed Knot Feb 28 2018 06:45 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea. That you can buy an AR-15 in the next aisle down from a badminton set is just terrifying. Shuttlecocks don't kill people, people kill people.

Edgy MD Feb 28 2018 07:17 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Because prior to yesterday they thought it was a good idea. That you can buy an AR-15 in the next aisle down from a badminton set is just terrifying. Except for the black guy who gets shot for merely taking it off the shelf.

Lefty Specialist Feb 28 2018 08:47 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Because timing is everything..... Teacher In Custody After Firing Gun Inside Georgia High School, Police Say

Lefty Specialist Mar 25 2018 12:29 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Well, kids that should be organizing their senior prom got 800,000 people to show up in DC today and were pretty powerful doing it. Any politician with an A from the NRA who's in a blue or purple state has to be feeling a little uneasy right now.

Centerfield Mar 25 2018 07:33 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Proud to have been marching yesterday. Anyone else take part?

Lefty Specialist Mar 25 2018 07:52 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Marched in my town with an estimated 3,000 others. This was COMPLETELY organized by the high school kids. They had T-shirts and wristbands, a teenage girl on a bullhorn making announcements at the start, and kids (including a precocious sixth grader) doing most of the speaking (and supplying the live music). Very proud of the young people in my town.

Frayed Knot Mar 25 2018 08:18 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

That kind of bottom-up organizing is what's making this seem different from other mass marches in recent history. The 'Million Man March', and various offshoots of it, were very much run from the top-down, leaving the impression that someone was rounding up people to say that they supported his/her agenda which itself seemed like nothing more concrete than: 'more power to me'. 'Occupy' was more bottom-up but, it also was very unfocused as to goals or even what they were for/against. This one has the advantage of both starting at the grass-roots level and with specific goals in mind. And while people involved likely run the gamut from wanting to ban all guns everywhere to those concerned mainly with the the hi-tech stuff and better background checks, at least all the oars are pulling in the same direction and they know who/where their biggest foes are.

MFS62 Mar 25 2018 10:47 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

One day, Emma Gonzalez is going to run for a major political office. And I hope to be able to move to a place where I can vote for her. Later

Centerfield Mar 26 2018 12:07 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I’m having trouble coming up with a better candidate for 2020.

Edgy MD Mar 26 2018 12:40 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

I think Emma the Activist is a more important person right now than Emma the Candidate.

Edgy MD Mar 26 2018 02:15 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Lefty Specialist Mar 26 2018 01:06 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

As a side note, Lefty Jr. is interning at the Washington Regional Threat Analysis Center this spring. Saturday was an 'all hands on deck' day. It's a 'Fusion Center' where Homeland Security, FBI and DC Police coordinate. It's busy on a normal day, but this was exceptional. The police estimated 800,000 attended. Estimates were a little harder because this was on the streets, not on the Mall, but they have access to Metro swipes and bus info as well as helicopter views. He analyzes social media for them and there was chatter about a counter-protest at the Trump Hotel. DC Police dispatched 50 officers in riot gear expecting the worst; turns out there were five protesters, who left the minute they saw the cops. The crowd was incredibly orderly and peaceful and there were no incidents. But it was an exciting day at the nerve center- the professionals were on point and ready for anything.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 26 2018 04:17 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

[tweet:1ba5kk1s]https://twitter.com/jonsoltz/status/977581666020536320[/tweet:1ba5kk1s]

Edgy MD Mar 26 2018 06:13 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

We should have a March for Our Lives Placard Derby.

Centerfield Mar 26 2018 06:55 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

[attachment=0:109xo8ag]Guac Med.jpg[/attachment:109xo8ag] I submit Short Center's favorite from Saturday.

MFS62 Mar 26 2018 07:58 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/jonsoltz/status/977581666020536320[/tweet] Brilliant. "Vets VS the NRA" sounds like something I would want to join. Thanks. Later

Lefty Specialist Mar 26 2018 11:07 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Edgy MD Mar 27 2018 12:36 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Remington, the nation's oldest gunmaker, has filed for Chapter 11. Apparently, and ironically, a big part of the reason is President Donald Trump. With a gun-friendly president in office, folks are no longer stockpiling guns for the great crisis when they come for our guns, so sales are off something like 30% in what the industry calls The Trump Slump. But there's always Chapter 11. It's what Trump would do.

Lefty Specialist Mar 27 2018 01:01 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Of course, Remington was purchased by Cerberus in a leveraged buyout in 2007 and they have the same problem as Toys 'r' Us- too much debt ladled on by venture capital partners. They're not liquidating, though, like TRU is. Too bad.

Lefty Specialist Mar 30 2018 07:54 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

So, there was this: Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it. (Dinged by UCLA with a 4.1 GPA...totally predictable given acceptance rates.) Then David Hogg pointed out who her advertisers were, and 12 of them immediately bailed on her show. So she scurries to do a lame apology: Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) Any student should be proud of a 4.2 GPA —incl. @DavidHogg111. On reflection, in the spirit of Holy Week, I apologize for any upset or hurt my tweet caused him or any of the brave victims of Parkland. For the record, I believe my show was the first to feature David immediately after that horrific shooting and even noted how "poised" he was given the tragedy. As always, he’s welcome to return to the show anytime for a productive discussion. WATCH: youtu.be/K0v7yxczipo The 'Spirit of Holy Week' bit is hilarious. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Lesson: even if you're on Fox News, don't screw with these kids. They're not afraid of you like the politicians and the rest of the media. They'll come after you. The Laura Ingrahams of the world have never had to deal with that before and they're shocked.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 30 2018 08:15 PM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Plus, Hogg basically told Ingraham to go fuck herself after she tried to apologize. Hogg rejected Ingraham's apology, characterizing it as insincere, with Ingraham caring only about her ratings and keeping her sponsors. Damn right they're not scared of Ingraham. She has no leverage. What's she gonna do: sic her Wrestlemania rooting FOX fans on Hogg to primary him?

Lefty Specialist Apr 02 2018 01:04 AM Re: Parkland Survivors versus the NRA

Gee, Laura's taking a sudden vacation after 18 of her advertisers bailed on her. Maybe it's not a good idea to pick on high school kids after all. In the spirit of Holy Week, I hope she enjoys herself and comes back with a better attitude.