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J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 Mar 06 2018 08:05 AM

Continued from: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25154&start=175 HahnSolo wrote: I'm of the feeling that any non-Cousins FA QB the Jets pick up should not stop them from going after a QB in the first round of the draft. I don't have a lot of faith in Keenum replicating what he did last year, so I'll pass on him. I'd prefer Bridgewater in FA then a QB at 6. Vic Sage wrote: in the end, it won't matter much because I am 97% certain that whatever strategy the Jets end up choosing, it will end up blowing up in their (and our) faces. That's what it means to be a Jets fan. Nymr83 wrote: Rumors now are that Cousins is going to decide between the Vikings and Jets. Either way, I'm sure it won't end well for the Jets. He'll be leading the charge to 8-8 at the Meadowlands or winning playoff games in Minnesota while the Jets stink again, making for unhappy Jets fans either way!

Nymr83 Mar 06 2018 02:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Ed Hochuli, my favorite referee if such a thing can exist, is retiring.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 07 2018 01:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I look at prospect lists and prospect lists, and mock draft after mock draft, and I think I'm rooting for a FA QB (if not Cousins, then Keenum/Btidgewater)... then Nelson, Barkley, or Chubb to fall to 6, followed by a Jackson to understudy at the helm in the second round. Or maybe Rosen/Mayfield in the first, then grab whichever OT drops in the second. Or Guice/Ronald Jones there, or DJ Clark. Or the best remaining CB. There are... just... a lot of holes.

MFS62 Mar 07 2018 09:07 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Ed Hochuli, my favorite referee if such a thing can exist, is retiring. They're keeping it in the family. According to ESPN, "Former back judge Shawn Hochuli -- Ed's son -- was promoted to referee". Later

Nymr83 Mar 07 2018 09:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I did see an article referring to Shawn as "Ed Hochuli's less ripped son" - that's gotta bruise the ego!

Vic Sage Mar 12 2018 09:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Tyrod taylor goes to Cleveland. He's better than any other FA QB on the market after Cousins, and its only a 1 year commitment, so I think it was a smart move. Now i'm thinking they go for Saquon Barkeley at 1 and take the best QB available at 4, unless they love Darnold way more than any of the other QB prospects. If Barkeley goes at 1, the Giants may trade down (since they seem committed to Manning for another year or 2), so a team that wants Darnold could trade up to 2, or the Giants will take him. The Colts are locked in on Chubb at 3, leaving Rosen, Mayfield and Allen for Cleveland, and the remaining two for Denver. Which means the Jets will have the 4th QB prospect available to them. I'm not thrilled by that scenario. If the last one available is Allen, I'd rather they take a blue-chip OL like Nelson, which is a desperate need too, and look at Rudolph in 2nd Round. Frankly, i'm not enamored of any of these QBs, so i'd rather have Nelson than any of them and sign Cousins, or at least Bridgewater.

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 09:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Jets are going to end up seriously overpaying some mediocre players just to hit the 90% of the salary cap "floor" as most of their rumored targets are now rumored to be signing somewhere else. Keenum to Denver Richburg to 49ers Watkins to Chiefs Robinson to Bears and Cousins visiting Vikings today.

Vic Sage Mar 13 2018 11:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

It's reported on SNY that Cousins will sign a fully guaranteed, three-year, $86 million with the Vikings tomorrow. The Jets plan B: sign Teddy Bridgewater + Josh McCown to back up, and then draft a QB with their 1st pick (probably Allen or Mayfield), with the hope that either Bridgewater or the pick will develop into a franchise QB.

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 11:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: It's reported on SNY that Cousins will sign a fully guaranteed, three-year, $86 million with the Vikings tomorrow. The Jets plan B: sign Teddy Bridgewater + Josh McCown to back up, and then draft a QB with their 1st pick (probably Allen or Mayfield), with the hope that either Bridgewater or the pick will develop into a franchise QB. that was my "Plan A" so let's do it. I'm more annoyed that they weren't in on Richburg

Vic Sage Mar 13 2018 11:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: It's reported on SNY that Cousins will sign a fully guaranteed, three-year, $86 million with the Vikings tomorrow. The Jets plan B: sign Teddy Bridgewater + Josh McCown to back up, and then draft a QB with their 1st pick (probably Allen or Mayfield), with the hope that either Bridgewater or the pick will develop into a franchise QB. that was my "Plan A" so let's do it. I'm more annoyed that they weren't in on Richburg a center with history of serious concussions wasn't the top of my list. The other center, Jensen, should be their target now.

MFS62 Mar 13 2018 11:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: It's reported on SNY that Cousins will sign a fully guaranteed, three-year, $86 million with the Vikings tomorrow. The Jets plan B: sign Teddy Bridgewater + Josh McCown to back up, and then draft a QB with their 1st pick (probably Allen or Mayfield), with the hope that either Bridgewater or the pick will develop into a franchise QB. This reminds me of when Barry Bonds was in college. A famous (probably apocryphal) scouting report said, "He's going to be a very good player for the team that gets him. And I hope to G-d it isn't us." I feel the same way about Cousins. I'm happy they lost out on him. Now let's spend all that money to build a team (especially an O-line). Then, as Vic Said, sign someone like Teddy Bridgewater and/or Josh McCown who will be a mentor for/ bridge to the "quarterback of the future". Later

Vic Sage Mar 13 2018 11:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The bargain bin: Bridgewater, QB McCown, QB Jensen, C Butler, CB Burton, TE D.Lewis, RB M.Lee, WR

Vic Sage Mar 13 2018 11:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

scratch Burton - Bears, 4yr/$32m. Sef-Jenkins' price keeps going up. Hey, DANNY WOODHEAD is back on the market! In addition to Bridgewater and McCown, other Jets rumors: B. Mayowa, DE A. Williamson, LB D. Lewis, RB M. Butler, CB T. Johnson, CB

MFS62 Mar 13 2018 12:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 13 2018 12:34 PM

I'd like to see not only rumors, but signings, of O-Linemen. Since he's been here, the GM has not made any significant additions to the offensive line (including, IIRC, only one draft pick who is still with the club). Come to think of it, he has not drafted ONE PLAYER who has made a first team all NFL or all AFC team. At any position. Later

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 12:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I don't want Butler. Belichick doesn't bench guys in the Superbowl for no reason.

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 02:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Josh McCown is officially back. With current plan looking like Bridgewater + a rookie, McCown will serve as injury insurance (and a damning indictment of the organization's entire process if he wins the job) This should thankfully be the end of yet another 2nd Round Jets disaster, Christian Hackenburg.

MFS62 Mar 13 2018 03:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The Jets actually told McCown he will be the starter. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2090/josh-mccown I'm thinking that's at least until they are sure Bridgewater is healthy. Now they can remain flexible at the draft - pick the Best Player Aavailable, pick a QB if one they want is available, or trade down, add picks and draft a developmental QB with a later pick. I love it when a plan comes together. Later

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 05:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Wow, the McCown deal was 10 million - I guess that means Bridgewater is getting backup money?

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 06:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Trumaine Johnson and Isiah Crowell sign with Jets. Jamal Adams looks like a huge 'Twitter Recruiter'

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 06:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Baseball Free Agency takes 6 months. Football takes about 6 hours for all the good players to agree to something - the players want their share of the salary cap and the teams want to make sure they spend as much as possible on the GOOD players because otherwise the 90% floor makes them give money to bad ones. Bridgewater will sign a 1 year deal with Jets - I love this move. if he plays well the Jets can easily afford to pay him with confidence next year. if he gets hurt or surpassed by a 1st round pick he can be let go with no future implications.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2018 07:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 14 2018 06:25 AM

A bit off-topic now that he's signing elsewhere, but I love what Kirk Cousins has managed to pull off over the last couple of years. He risked a lot by going strictly with one year deals (not that it was all his doing) but stayed healthy while doing so and wound up being the rare case of a [u:3m0vddvu]true[/u:3m0vddvu] QB FA in this league. Or, as he put it, 'I get to have a say in where I play for the first time since I was a HS senior'. Combining this new [u:3m0vddvu]Fully Guaranteed[/u:3m0vddvu] deal with his multiple 'Franchise' tag years and this all winds up netting him [u:3m0vddvu]A LOT[/u:3m0vddvu] more money over a five year span [2015-2020] than clearly superior QBs [Brady, Rogers, Brees] who find themselves 'capped out' and even pressured into sacrificing money so that the team can sign other players. Must be nice to be an owner in a system where the money you need to sign players can come from shrinking the contracts of your existing players. You would think that seeing a merely above average QB cash in like this would inspire others to see what their true market value might be but you can understand how many opt for the security route instead, especially seeing how the clubs can effectively delay true FA-gency almost in perpetuity.

Nymr83 Mar 13 2018 07:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Cousins gambled on himself and kicked ass - well done by him!

Ashie62 Mar 13 2018 08:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Josh McCown 1 yr 10 million. Teddy Bridgewater 1 yr 1st round pick? No particular place to go. Oye

Frayed Knot Mar 14 2018 06:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Cousins gambled on himself and kicked ass - well done by him! And kicked the ass of a system rigged so as to discourage players from ever even getting to that point.

Vic Sage Mar 14 2018 03:04 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Mar 15 2018 10:04 AM

Given their resources, i'm not excited by what the Jets have done so far. [u:2n9x5p0b]FA profiles:[/u:2n9x5p0b] McCown (1/yr$10M)+ Bridgewater (1yr/$5M-$15m), QB - this total is about average for a starting QB, so i think it works for the Jets, provided that they also draft a QB to develop for the future that isn't Hackenberg. They'll be cutting Petty now (if they draft another QB, bye-bye to Hack as well). T.Johnson, CB = 5yr/$72m ($34M guaranteed) - this is a huge overpayment, but they have the cap room, they are desperate for a starting caliber CB, and he was the best available one on the market. He's big and a good press CB (which is the style Boles' defense plays), and he's 28, still in his prime. So i can't kill them for this one, as long as they don't now overpay to keep the oft-injured Claiborne, too. They'll still need to draft or sign another CB, to either move Skrine to the nickel or cut him. I. Crowell, RB = 3yrs/$12M [$6m guaranteed] - a 25-year old with a few decent years for Cleveland. I'm not sure what he adds that Powell doesn't already provide, as their skills as big play/pass-catching RBs are redundant; he looks more like a replacement than a compliment A short-yardage power runner would've been better as a tandem. The signing may show a lock of confidence in McGuire. Also, he's had some bad off-field history. The draft is also deep in quality backs. I'm not happy with this if he's a starter, but for $4m/yr average, he's ok as an overpaid rotational back. A. Williamson, LB = 3yr/$22.5m - 26yr old middle linebacker to replace Davis. He is similarly limited (a run-stopper, with no coverage ability), but is younger than Davis, at least. It's alot to pay for a 2-down LBer, but he's young enough to at least develop his coverage skills, and Davis just signed for more elsewhere ($24M). I liked Davis, but Boles really masked his deficiencies in the passing game. He can do the same for Williamson, so 'm ok with this. S. Long, Center = 4yr/?M - They are in desperate need of a center, but they cheaped out by failing to sign Jensen. HUGE mistake. Long is a 27-year old G/C, so he's young-ish and versatile, and a pretty good pass blocker, but he's got extensive injury history. I hope they use him for depth and draft another C, but i don't know if that's what they're planning. Not Ok. We still need to sign a WR, an edge rusher, and a TE (if they don't re-sign Sef-Jenkins) before we even get to the draft.

Ashie62 Mar 14 2018 04:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Any thoughts on who they take at 6?

Vic Sage Mar 14 2018 09:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I think they'll take the best remaining QB, if its one of top 4 prospects. If the top 4 are gone, that means either Chubb or Barkley will have fallen into their lap, so they'll take whichever one that is. Frankly, I'm not confident about any of these QB prospects, so i'd prefer either of those 2, or the OL, Nelson. But I don't think it'll happen. I'm just hoping they don't end up with Allen (i.e., Hackenberg 2.0)

Vic Sage Mar 16 2018 09:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

They re-sign Claiborne. 1yr/$7m. That's fine. They lose their kicker and sign another comparable one for less. That's fine, too. But they lost Sef-Jenkins, too. Do they sign another TE, or just go with Leggett, Tomlinson and Sterling? I don't see another TE on the market worth a deal. They also still need to sign a WR and a DE/OLB edge rusher.

Nymr83 Mar 16 2018 09:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

If Anderson avoids suspension I think Anderson/Enunwa/Kearse is an adequate if not inspiring top 3 and maybe Stewart or Hansen manages to suprise in camp? Another WR would be nice but I dont see a difference maker still out there. An edge rusher, whether at DE or OLB still remains the biggest need next to QB - they at least have a potential QB solution in Bridgewater if healthy, but even in the most optimistic scenario the top level edge rusher isn't anyone on the roster.

d'Kong76 Mar 17 2018 09:12 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

[tweet:1shecd1z]https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/975020881348055040[/tweet:1shecd1z]

MFS62 Mar 17 2018 09:31 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/975020881348055040[/tweet] Goin' for it! Now let's use some of the remaining cap money to fill in the holes those draft picks would have filled. Later

Fman99 Mar 17 2018 09:45 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Three extra 2nd round picks given up, to move up 3 slots? Dumb.

MFS62 Mar 17 2018 09:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Fman99 wrote: Three extra 2nd round picks given up, to move up 3 slots? Dumb. If you look back on some of the second round busts they have drafted in recent years (Hackenberg, Devin smith, Jace Amaro, Steven Hill, Vlad Ducase, et al. ) , this is worth the gamble. But if they take Josh Allen, I'll hurl. Later

batmagadanleadoff Mar 17 2018 12:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Either the Jets get their franchise QB or the trade sets them back another three to five years. It's the Jets, so go figure ....

Vic Sage Mar 17 2018 12:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: Fman99 wrote: Three extra 2nd round picks given up, to move up 3 slots? Dumb. If you look back on some of the second round busts they have drafted in recent years (Hackenberg, Devin smith, Jace Amaro, Steven Hill, Vlad Ducase, et al. ) , this is worth the gamble. But if they take Josh Allen, I'll hurl. Later if they get the QB pick right, the 3 2nds will be well worth it. If they don't, it would be a bad deal if all they gave up was a jock strap (and as MFS noted, the value of 2nd rounders has been minimal for the Jets anyway). But it's not about the cost. It's about their track record of picking/developing QBs so far that most concerns me. I've got a core belief that whichever QB they take, it'll be the wrong one. I still think its a 2-QB draft, with Darnold and Rosen. So of course we've got the #3. Hello, Josh Allen! C'mon down! You and Hack can take turns not hitting a crossing route.

Frayed Knot Mar 17 2018 03:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 17 2018 04:30 PM

This smells to me of the Bears last year, moving up just ONE slot to #2 overall in order to grab QB Mitch Trubisky rather than sit where they were when they would have had their choice of Deshaun Watson (great before he was hurt) and/or Patrick Mahomes (still untested but highly regarded) not to mention other non-QBs (McCaffrey, Fournette) all of whom would have still available to them without the booty they gave up to move up that single place (the #3 overall, the #111, and a 3rd rounder this year). And, oh yeah, they almost certainly could have snagged Trubisky by not doing anything!! because they were apparently the only team to see him that highly. And Trubisky, to put it kindly = not good so far. Point being: if you're going to move up, particularly in these micro-moves where it's obvious you have a specific player in mind rather than just a general improvement in your initial pick, you had better be right in the long run about who you're moving up for. I don't claim to know who's good/better/best in this year's crop of QBs, but the opinions of those who DO claim to know don't seem to produce a consensus on one standing out above the others, more like variations of personal preference and general talk of "we'll see".

Ashie62 Mar 17 2018 04:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The Jets appear to be moving up 3 spots to take QB Baker Mayfield. I don't especially care to go high for Mayfield Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen. Josh Allen of Wyoming would be my QB pick at 6. 6'4 240 has a gun and can run over defenders Baker Mayfield, really? Wasted three second rounders

Nymr83 Mar 17 2018 05:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

This seems like a fair deal IF you know the QB you want will be there at #3 - how do you know the Browns or Giants don't want him?

MFS62 Mar 18 2018 08:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

https://youtu.be/MJ1jZcTCZDU I hope the nay sayers watch this. Later

Vic Sage Mar 18 2018 09:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: This seems like a fair deal IF you know the QB you want will be there at #3 - how do you know the Browns or Giants don't want him? Cleve is going to take Darnold, and the Giants are taking Barkley. The Jets will have their choice of Rosen, Allen and Mayfield at #3. If they didn't trade up, all 4 of the top QBs could be gone by the 6th pick. I can't fault them for making the move, and they didn't give up a future #1 to do it, so i don't think the price was extravagant. Again, it all comes down to making the right pick, and then developing that QB behind McCown and Bridgewater. That's where my concerns lie.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 18 2018 09:50 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The Giants and Jets did pretty well for themselves the last time they picked 2nd and 3rd respectively in the same draft. In fact, the Giants probably drafted the best player in that whole draft.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 18 2018 11:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Call me crazy, but I like Mayfield. I mean, not enough to trade three second-rounders for him when I've got a crazy amount of holes in my roster, but still. I also don't trust the QB- evaluation skills of the folks who went for Hackenburg, at least not enough to go "all in" to move up three picks. I DO think Chubb is a more special player than anyone in the draft, save Barkley. So if the Giants take their Freeman McNeil this time around, why don't we go for our LT?

MFS62 Mar 18 2018 01:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: ... , why don't we go for our LT? I prefer players who stay on the field and won't get multiple suspensions for cocaine. I'd rather have a player kids can look up to as a positive role model. Later

Nymr83 Mar 18 2018 03:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Lets win a championship. When the steroid and cocaine fueled champions are all suspended and retired two years later we can sign some role models to take over.

MFS62 Mar 18 2018 04:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Lets win a championship. When the steroid and cocaine fueled champions are all suspended and retired two years later we can sign some role models to take over. The end justifies the means? Sorry. I have a moral compass. Later

Nymr83 Mar 18 2018 06:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Lets win a championship. When the steroid and cocaine fueled champions are all suspended and retired two years later we can sign some role models to take over. The end justifies the means? Sorry. I have a moral compass. Later So you wish the 86 Mets had been clean losers?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 19 2018 01:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 19 2018 08:07 AM

Keep in mind that we're discussing a sport in which brain and body damage are inherent, not incidental. You've signed on for moral compromise merely by watching. Moralizing about recreational drug use seems a bit... out of place. (If anything, his post-career conduct has been more worrisome than any midcareer drug use.) In any case, I was speaking of LT's position/onfield impact. Chubb seems like a similarly special edge rusher.

MFS62 Mar 19 2018 06:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Lets win a championship. When the steroid and cocaine fueled champions are all suspended and retired two years later we can sign some role models to take over. The end justifies the means? Sorry. I have a moral compass. Later So you wish the 86 Mets had been clean losers? This man was pure evil. 1) He stood up in front of an inner city high school assembly and said, "I'm not going to tell you not to take drugs". Who can calculate how many of those young lives were ruined by a major sports star telling them that. (It was so outrageous, it made the editorial pages of two NY papers the next day.) 2) There is no record of him having spent a minute in a League certified rehab facility (mandatory after his third failed rug test). When asked by reporters where he would go for rehab, he answered, "My rehab is golf. I'll see you guys out on the course". He not only broke the rules he flaunted it. Of course I want my team to win. Mention any other athlete playing for my team using recreational drugs, I wouldn't like that. And I didn't. I never even tried them in my youth. But you mentioned this particular vile person, and I could never stand for that. And I have no respect for anyone who knew these things and still rooted for him. Later

Nymr83 Mar 19 2018 09:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

well yeah, LT did bad things that go far beyond personal drug and steroid use, which are the the things i said i dont give a fuck about.

Vic Sage Mar 20 2018 08:06 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

so i've cast my vote. who do you want them to take: Allen or Baker?

Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 10:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: so i've cast my vote. who do you want them to take: Allen or Baker? Who are we assuming is off the board? My order is Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield They all have negatives and I worry they have just been overhyped as a class. Allen could be Tom Savage with an inaccurate cannon. Darnold? Well, how many overhyped USC QBs have we seen fail? The turnovers are concerning. Rosen is Ryan Leaf waiting to happen. He doesnt need the money and may not have the desire. Mayfield is undersized, is he a college phenom who wont make it as a pro? I would not have traded up. I know all our second round picks suck balls anyway, but I dreamed of keeping them and trying to rebuild the damn offensive line.

Ashie62 Mar 20 2018 12:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

And with the 3rd pick of the 2018 NFL Draft the New York Jets select, Josh Rosen QB UCLA

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 20 2018 12:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: so i've cast my vote. who do you want them to take: Allen or Baker? Did you? Make Mine Mayfield, I suppose. Give me a carpenter, rather than an attractive toolbox.

MFS62 Mar 20 2018 12:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Darnold has shown problems in decision-making when under pressure. I think he is a wuss. Allen - We know he has the strongest arm, but when I hear "He has to work on his footwork" I think "Hackenburg part deux." He might turn out to be the best one, but he could be John Elway, or he could be Jack Concannon. He will need good coaching, and we all know how well the Jets do that. Rosen is the probably the most starter-ready, but I worry about his body (injuries) rather than his mind (I don't question his dedication). He throws the best ball, and woudn't be upset if the Jets got him. Mayfield gets my vote - he's a tough sumbitch who can hit a gnat in the ass with a football at 30 yards. He makes plays, and I'd hate to have to game plan against him if he were in another uniform. And, very important to me, he would keep that other team in town off the back pages. Broadway Baker. I like it. Later

Vic Sage Mar 20 2018 01:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: so i've cast my vote. who do you want them to take: Allen or Baker? Who are we assuming is off the board? My order is Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield They all have negatives and I worry they have just been overhyped as a class. Allen could be Tom Savage with an inaccurate cannon. Darnold? Well, how many overhyped USC QBs have we seen fail? The turnovers are concerning. Rosen is Ryan Leaf waiting to happen. He doesnt need the money and may not have the desire. Mayfield is undersized, is he a college phenom who wont make it as a pro? I would not have traded up. I know all our second round picks suck balls anyway, but I dreamed of keeping them and trying to rebuild the damn offensive line. i agree with your point about not moving up, but not your QB rankings. In fact, i'd flip your order over completely. Allen is all tools and questionable production. Guys don't get more accurate when the windows get tighter and the game gets faster. Darnold's turnovers speak to a lack of judgment which concerns me, as does his USC pedigree and up-and-down season. Rosen is ready to play right now. The stuff about Rosen's "desire" is just the BS reporters write about to fill up column inches based on unnamed sources arising from the petty jealousies of players who won't even get drafted and don't have family money. He doesn't have the college career he's had without the requisite desire; his concussions alone mark his willingness to take a hit. I have more question about the injuries than his desire. Mayfield, on the other hand, is a tough little nugget whose done nothing but succeed at every level, against all expectations. I'd take him in a NY minute and live with the bust potential. Because they ALL have bust potential.

MFS62 Mar 20 2018 01:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic. We agree on something? Waitaminnit! Let me rethink this. OK, we agree. Later

Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 02:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: Mayfield, on the other hand, is a tough little nugget whose done nothing but succeed at every level, against all expectations. I'd take him in a NY minute and live with the bust potential. Because they ALL have bust potential. Sounds like a great description of Tim Tebow.

Vic Sage Mar 20 2018 02:59 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Mayfield, on the other hand, is a tough little nugget whose done nothing but succeed at every level, against all expectations. I'd take him in a NY minute and live with the bust potential. Because they ALL have bust potential. Sounds like a great description of Tim Tebow. yeah, except for that whole "being able to pass really well" part.

d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 06:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I'm pretty much in Mayfield camp, but fine with Rosen too. In the end, whatever happens will probably bite everyone in the ass anyway. J-E-...ah never mind...

Nymr83 Mar 20 2018 07:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

If the Jets had keot their picks and drafted a Cousins/Smith level starter who they could control on a rookie deal it would have been a win. But now, if the guy isn't at least Eli Manning (peak level Eli) this is bad

d'Kong76 Mar 20 2018 07:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Why drag the Giants and Eli into it, we're not looking to up the WFAN caller numbers? It's the Jets, it's what they do. Anyone wanna a free Sanchez Titans replica jersey. Only worn once or twice, never sweated in.

Frayed Knot Mar 20 2018 08:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: The stuff about Rosen's "desire" is just the BS reporters write about to fill up column inches based on unnamed sources arising from the petty jealousies of players who won't even get drafted and don't have family money. He doesn't have the college career he's had without the requisite desire; his concussions alone mark his willingness to take a hit. I have more question about the injuries than his desire. I agree with this part of the analysis. Football coaches, and the sport in general, has a problem with anyone who seemingly needs the sport less than the sport needs them and so anyone deemed as 'rich', 'smart' or otherwise has an alternative is often tagged with a question mark and labeled as the worst of all possible conditions ... a potential distraction. There was a guy a couple of years ago, out of Florida State I believe (or maybe not) who was a Rhodes Scholar candidate and brilliant student who had a future in the high-tech medical field whenever he wanted it. So naturally his NFL interviews centered on his "desire" to play on account of him being one of the handful of players who didn't need the sport to crawl out or avoid a poverty hole. He was, in effect, discriminated against for being smarter and more well-rounded than the rest of the draft field. Football tends to not like guys who have options or even the possibility of options down the road if they don't want to play by the pre-determined rules.

dgwphotography Mar 21 2018 07:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I agree with Ashie that I think this class is overrated. I really think the Jets would be best served taking Barkley if he falls to 3.

Vic Sage Mar 21 2018 07:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

and i would've preferred they stay at #6 and take the OL, Nelson, but now that they've given up 3 2nd-r picks, they'll be taking a QB. And the consensus here is that it'll be the WRONG QB (whichever one they take).

Vic Sage Mar 21 2018 10:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

after they take the QB, I'm hoping they double dip on edge rushers in rounds 3-5, and then find another center and a future LT in rounds 4-6. And pick up a return man somewhere along the way. Based on the player rankings in those rounds, it could be something like: D.Armstrong, Edge Parker, OT Fitts, Edge I.Winn, C J.Grant, P/KR

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 21 2018 04:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 23 2018 09:47 PM

Good gravy. They could have grabbed one of the guys they'll end up getting AND a Kamara-y impact rusher (Curry, e.g.) or Orlando Brown-ish OL. Instead... they won't. And they'll end up having 1-3 more holes to fill than they would have otherwise. God, trading up was dumb. (And if it works out, then it's dumb and lucky.)

MFS62 Mar 21 2018 04:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic is right*. They need to add at least two more offensive linemen. They have a lot of players there, but no standouts. But I also think the loss of picks won't hurt them that much because they still have a lot of cap money to spend on free agents to fill that (and other) need(s). Later * = I've been agreeing with Vic a lot. I have to lie down.

Nymr83 Mar 21 2018 06:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

yeah it was dumb and hopefully they get lucky. remember a few years ago when the Jets at least had an argument that they were top 5 in both offensive and defensive line and all they needed was a damn quarterback? can't make that argument anymore. too many holes. too many eggs in one basket

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 22 2018 12:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: Vic is right*. They need to add at least two more offensive linemen. They have a lot of players there, but no standouts. But I also think the loss of picks won't hurt them that much because they still have a lot of cap money to spend on free agents to fill that (and other) need(s). Later * = I've been agreeing with Vic a lot. I have to lie down. Only there isn't an infinite number of FAs for them to spend on, and they get no award for having extra salary-cap money left over. So.... no, it's just dumb. Giving away picks is EXACTLY like giving away large amounts of money.

Vic Sage Mar 23 2018 07:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Jets pick up former QB turned WR Terrell Pryor. That's a good signing. He's big and fast and showed he could be an effective weapon if healthy. They also pick up a veteran WR Andre Roberts to be a return guy. So that Receiver's room is filling up. Goodbye Devin Smith, Jalin Marshall and Chad Peake. Anderson Enunwa Kearse Pryor Stewart Hansen Roberts They've also made the biggest $ offer to Suh, so they're looking to replace Wilkerson in the FA market. But like Cousins, Suh is probably going to take less to go to a winning team.

d'Kong76 Apr 17 2018 12:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

[tweet:1hiw7diw]https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/986207657861230592[/tweet:1hiw7diw]

Frayed Knot Apr 17 2018 01:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Was reminded recently of the last time QBs went 1-2-3, a scenario many expect will be repeated this year. 1999: Tim Couch (CLE), Donovan McNabb (PHI), Akili Smith (CIN). Other 1st round picks saw Dante Culpeper and Cade McNown go 11th & 12th Safe to say that the fans of the teams making the #1 & #3 picks were disappointed with the results, and the one "correct" pick was the one soundly booed at the time although you can probably write that off to Philly phans being Philly phans (is there an angrier city around?). A quick scan of the entire draft shows that the second best QB pick may have been Aaron Brooks who was taken 131st. All of which means nothing to this upcoming draft except to say that if you're going to give up all kinds of assets to move up specifically to select a QB that high then you really need to be right, particularly in this era where having a top QB means more than it ever did.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2018 04:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Culpepper was awesome. Way better than Brooks.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2018 04:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Culpepper was awesome. Way better than Brooks.

HahnSolo Apr 18 2018 09:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Culpepper was awesome. Way better than Brooks. Yes. Agreed.

HahnSolo Apr 18 2018 09:24 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/986207657861230592[/tweet] I love Mangold. And I don't want to use this post to throw cold water on him but to me the "I'm signing a one-day contract so I can retire with [insert former team]" thing is so dopey.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 09:45 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

74 gets retired one day? I think a case could be made.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2018 03:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Culpepper was awesome. Way better than Brooks. OK, so QB picks #2, #11, and #131 (if that's the order you like) that year turned out to be individually and collectively much better than picks #1, #3, and #12 Not quite the exact science the "experts" make it out to be - even though I'm sure most will now claim that that's the exact order they had them all in on draft day 19 years ago. Quick-read a piece this morning by some scout who said the hype over this QB class a bunch of crap. Thinks Mayfield is by far! the best of the bunch, thinks Wyoming boy suxxxx, and is only lukewarm on the rest of them. Likened one guy's footwork (forget which one) to "a cow on skates". Have no idea if his track record is better than any of the other 458 guys who do this stuff for a living. I do seem to recall around 1/4 (maybe 1/3 ?) of the touts favoring Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning back in the day.

MFS62 Apr 18 2018 07:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Frayed Knot wrote: Likened one guy's footwork (forget which one) to "a cow on skates". That's Josh Allen. IIRC, the writer said his footwork is all over the place and that's why his accuracy is mediocre compared to the other prospects. The only reason he is considered highly is because he has the strongest arm in the bunch. Later

Vic Sage Apr 19 2018 09:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I love Mangold. And I don't want to use this post to throw cold water on him but to me the "I'm signing a one-day contract so I can retire with [insert former team]" thing is so dopey. I don't think it's dopey at all. I think it's a nice symbolic gesture by both the player, who is declaring his loyalty to the franchise by going out as a Jet, and by the organization, taking the extra step to recognize the player's exceptional Jets career and proudly accepting the player's declaration of loyalty. I think Mangold will eventually go (with Brick) into the Jets' ring of honor. Yes, i'd retire their numbers, too. I don't think he's quite a HOFer, though. Mawae hasn't even gone in, and he's got a better case.

Vic Sage Apr 19 2018 09:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Likened one guy's footwork (forget which one) to "a cow on skates". That's Josh Allen. IIRC, the writer said his footwork is all over the place and that's why his accuracy is mediocre compared to the other prospects. The only reason he is considered highly is because he has the strongest arm in the bunch. It's not just arm strength. He's got great size, and mobility too. He "checks all the boxes", as they say. Except he's not, you know, a particularly great football player. The Jets will have 1 of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield available with the #3 pick. Those 3 QBs all have plusses and minuses, but they're all pretty good at football. Allen isn't. So I'll be deeply upset if Hackenberg 2.0 is their pick. I'll be ok with any of the other 3.

Nymr83 Apr 19 2018 08:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The schedule came out today We already knew the Jets had shit their way to an easy schedule, but the order of the games is looking good for anyone who wants to pretend to be a playoff team again in September & October! Week 1: Monday, Sept. 10, at Detroit, 7:10 p.m. Week 2: Sunday, Sept. 16, Miami, 1 p.m. Week 3: Thursday, Sept. 20, at Cleveland, 8:20 p.m. Week 4: Sunday, Sept. 30, at Jacksonville, 1 p.m. Week 5: Sunday, Oct. 7, Denver, 1 p.m. Week 6: Sunday, Oct. 14, Indianapolis, 1 p.m. Week 7: Sunday, Oct. 21, Minnesota, 1 p.m. Week 8: Sunday, Oct. 28, at Chicago, 1 p.m. Week 9: Sunday, Nov. 4, at Miami, 1 p.m. Week 10: Sunday, Nov. 11, Buffalo, 1 p.m. Week 11: BYE Week 12: Sunday, Nov. 25, New England, 1 p.m. Week 13: Sunday, Dec. 2, at Tennessee, 4:05 p.m. Week 14: Sunday, Dec. 9, at Buffalo, 1 p.m. Week 15: Saturday, Dec. 15, Houston, 4:30 p.m. Week 16: Sunday, Dec. 23, Green Bay, 1 p.m. Week 17: Sunday, Dec. 30, at New England, 1 p.m

MFS62 Apr 22 2018 10:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

It's not just arm strength. He's got great size, and mobility too. He "checks all the boxes", as they say. Except he's not, you know, a particularly great football player. The Jets will have 1 of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield available with the #3 pick. Those 3 QBs all have plusses and minuses, but they're all pretty good at football. Allen isn't. So I'll be deeply upset if Hackenberg 2.0 is their pick. I'll be ok with any of the other 3. I agree. My preferences line up: Mayfield Rosen Darnold Lamar Jackson Mason Rudolph Mason-Dixon The kid who just delivered the pizza. Allen Later

Vic Sage Apr 24 2018 08:21 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

just 2 days til they screw up the draft. I had tickets for a show, but i rescheduled them because my masochism required that i witness the Jets' self-immolation live in real time. By the way, the show i was going to see was the revival of a Tom Stoppard play ... TRAVESTIES! But it turns out I'll be witnessing a travesty anyway.

MFS62 Apr 24 2018 08:34 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: just 2 days til they screw up the draft. I had tickets for a show, but i rescheduled them because my masochism required that i witness the Jets' self-immolation live in real time. By the way, the show i was going to see was the revival of a Tom Stoppard play ... TRAVESTIES! But it turns out I'll be witnessing a travesty anyway. Based on their selection, like the Greek masks, I won't know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe both. Everyone has been focusing on Mayfield's off the field problems. But think about poor Josh Rosen. If he comes to New York, every time he steps outside, he will be swarmed by women yelling, "Are you married?" "Have I got a daughter for YOU". Later

d'Kong76 Apr 24 2018 08:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I read the Jets intend to trade the pick for a bunch of 3-4 rounders. Ok, sorry, I didn't really read that. I think what they really do is ask themselves what would Bill Belichick do and then do the complete opposite. Tune in Thursday, 7 PM ET.

Vic Sage Apr 24 2018 10:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

But think about poor Josh Rosen. If he comes to New York, every time he steps outside, he will be swarmed by women yelling, "Are you married?" "Have I got a daughter for YOU". A Jewish QB in NY? It makes too much sense to happen.

Nymr83 Apr 24 2018 11:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Sorry, crazy jewish mothers with a daughter to marry off, pretty sure he is a self-declared Atheist

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 24 2018 10:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Funny-- the two QBs I like the most, personality-wise, are the ones who "have potential issues," personality-wise. The more I hear him talk, the more I think Rosen is thoughtful, and honest (but not naive), and not given to sound-bites; most people who hammer him on "attitude" seem to be hanging their opinion on comments he made about not needing football... and many seem to traffic in narratives about "hungry" players and "grit" and "motor that doesn't quit." It's dumb. Mayfield is just so cocky-- and good at willing himself to success-- it's charming. He couldn't be more Namath-y if he had big fright-mask features and a fur coat sewn onto him. Broadway Joe seems like he's in love, too. Honestly, Darnold is the guy who comes off a little phony/terrible to me. I worry that HE falls. and Jets staff jump at the "bargain."

Nymr83 Apr 25 2018 12:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I don't know that Rosen doesn't have the motivation/motor/hunger - but I do think its important. a QB should want to be the first one in the building and the last one out, if he's not then he has at least raised the chances of his being Ryan Leaf.

MFS62 Apr 25 2018 08:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I don't know that Rosen doesn't have the motivation/motor/hunger - but I do think its important. a QB should want to be the first one in the building and the last one out, if he's not then he has at least raised the chances of his being Ryan Leaf. In an ESPN interview the other day, Rosen not only mentioned the other quarterbacks by name, but said that when all is said and done, he will be the last one standing. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-rosen ... 59692.html That sounds like someone who will work hard to be the best, is in it for the long haul and won't be sidetracked by other pursuits. Later

Frayed Knot Apr 25 2018 10:15 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2018 03:42 PM

Nymr83 wrote: I don't know that Rosen doesn't have the motivation/motor/hunger - but I do think its important. Fine, but what he's running up against (at least with some yappers) is the assumption that because he isn't poor and maybe has opinions and an IQ in addition to a football IQ it automatically means he doesn't have the motivation/hunger etc. The NFL establishment often treats having interests outside of football as if that's the same as having interests instead of football and they tend to be very wary of the idea that someone might not need the game as much as the game needs them as that tends to throw a wrench into the whole power structure. Anyway, I have no opinion on how good Rosen might/might not be, but what I'm now rooting for is for a team to pass on him for those reasons (not that they'll ever admit that was why) and then get burned by him having a great career.

Nymr83 Apr 25 2018 11:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

It certainly gets overblown, but there is at least some logic to the idea of wanting guys who NEED football. If I got offered a million dollars to play Concussion Ball i would jump all over it. But if I didn't need the money I wouldn't consider it worth the risk. I'd keep my current job if offered the same salary to play football. I would jump at the chance to play baseball or basketball instead at my current salary.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 25 2018 02:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: It certainly gets overblown, but there is at least some logic to the idea of wanting guys who NEED football. If I got offered a million dollars to play Concussion Ball i would jump all over it. But if I didn't need the money I wouldn't consider it worth the risk. I'd keep my current job if offered the same salary to play football. I would jump at the chance to play baseball or basketball instead at my current salary. Oh, there's logic. It's terrible logic, but a logical process of sorts. There's no actual correlation underlying it, and it's sorta vaguely situated in Gritville and NaturalTalentvsCerebralHardWorkerburg, with the same sort of weird class- and-- GASP-- race-based assumptions hanging in the air above and around it. But there's an if-then premise/structure, so sure. And you'd trade a million dollars right now-- right now, as an adult-- for, say, a 40 percent risk of having Jim McMahon's life or worse for the rest of yours (and gift your loved ones with the lives of his)? I suppose there's a sort of logic there, too.

Nymr83 Apr 25 2018 04:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

If I thought it was 40%, no. But i think the risk of serious lasting injury in the NFL is enough to be part of the calculation and that isn't true of the other major sports.

Ashie62 Apr 26 2018 11:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 26 2018 03:32 PM

With the 3rd pick in the 2018 NFL Draft The New York Jets select, Meek Mill Rapper Philadelphia For real. 1. Josh Allen CLEVELAND 2. Sam Darnold NYG 3. Baker Mayfield J-E-T-S 4. Saquan Barkley CLEVELAND 12. Josh Rosen BUFFALO

Vic Sage Apr 26 2018 02:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

3.5 hours til the JET crashes.

MFS62 Apr 26 2018 04:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/bacb1f ... f16033a722 Later

Nymr83 Apr 26 2018 04:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: 3.5 hours til the JET crashes. I don't even know who I want anymore, I'm just sure that looking back in 5 years the best pick will have been the guy who would have still been there with the 6th pick and the Colts will take good players with our 2nd rounders

MFS62 Apr 26 2018 06:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Sam Darnold. They "sucked for Sam". Now he'll probably suck for them. At least it wasn't Allen. Later

Nymr83 Apr 26 2018 06:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

a list of highly touted USC QBs in the last 15 years Matt Barkley Mark Sanchez Matt Leinert Carson Palmer what could go wrong?

MFS62 Apr 26 2018 06:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: a list of highly touted USC QBs in the last 15 years Matt Barkley Mark Sanchez Matt Leinert Carson Palmer what could go wrong? I'd take another Carson Palmer. He has no help around him. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 26 2018 07:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Darnold. Damming. DAMMIT.

Ashie62 Apr 26 2018 07:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Giants got it right. The Browns could have picked Barkley first and gone QB fourth Sam Darnold, Does not possess QB Gravitas. Why did the Jets trade up?

d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 05:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Ashie62 wrote: Why did the Jets trade up? My guess is they wanted Mayfield but we saw how that worked out. It's kinda funny that if you type Darnold Turnovers into a google search the word 'turnovers' auto-fills after the 'u'. Not funny haha, funny yikes. Sanchez ll. J-E-...

MFS62 Apr 27 2018 06:17 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Why did the Jets trade up? My guess is they wanted Mayfield but we saw how that worked out. It's kinda funny that if you type Darnold Turnovers into a google search the word 'turnovers' auto-fills after the 'u'. Not funny haha, funny yikes. Sanchez ll. J-E-... Not sure yet until I see him play in cold weather. I had read he has never played in a game with the temperature below 54 degrees!!! And I want to see how well he can not just throw, but hold onto the ball, in cold weather. Is the (butt) fumble part of the USC playbook? We'll find out. So for now, I'm not overwhelmed and i'm not underwhelmed. Put me down as whelmed. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2018 07:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nobody is more ignorant of the NFL than me (and proud of it) but I saw some clips of this Jets guy and can report he's a big guy with a strong arm. What else is there to know?

d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 07:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

My only point is (and I don't have the number) is he like averaged a turnover/game. It's all a crap shoot, he could be Sanchez ll (who we all easily forget went to back to back AFC title games) or he could be butt fumble guy.

Nymr83 Apr 27 2018 09:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I read that the fumbles are partially a product of holding the ball with one hand in the pocket sometimes - hopefully that is something correctable.

Vic Sage Apr 27 2018 11:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

i'm sure that, having selected Darnold, he'll end being a bust. That being said, he was the consensus best QB in the draft, and they were lucky that he fell to them, and they were absolutely right to take him. This is not like the year they took Hackenberg in the second round and EVERYBODY said "wtf?" That was not a second-guess, that was a first-guess. In this situation, we spent the season sucking for Sam, and now we have him. I'm not going to whine about it because he's not a Luck/Wentz level prospect.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2018 03:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I tuned in to draft coverage for about 3 minutes last night (clicked on just seconds after the Jets selection) and my one comment is this: you may have to visit a recreation of a 1970s disco, or, better yet, an over-the-top satiric rendition of a 1970s disco on acid, to find a more garishly lit set. The only thing I didn't see among the gigantic message boards, flashing neon and strobe lights was smoke machines and that just may be because my stay was so short. And I don't even want to know what it all sounded like (I kept it muted) but have visions (nightmares) of the talking heads trying to be heard over the back- ground noise, the background noise trying to be heard over the talking heads, and both trying to not get drowned out by the drunken fans. I could probably come up with a list of places I'd LESS rather be in than a stadium in Texas on NFL draft day, but I'd be hard pressed to name them.

MFS62 Apr 28 2018 03:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Darnold is still 20. If I lived in New Jersey, I would call 911 and have Mac arrested for threatening the welfare of a minor. Once again, Mac has neglected the offensive line. Yes, he signed one center and another center who can play guard. But what about the other three OL positions? The current Jets do not have one carryover offensive lineman who has ever been all pro, alternate all pro, or has even received a vote for all pro. (I might have missed a vote or two). I hope he knows what he's doing. Somebody playing quarterback deserves better protection. I'll climb down off my soap box now, because I've felt the same way for years and I'm tired of saying it after every Macagnan draft. Later

MFS62 Apr 28 2018 07:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Ah, now I feel better: Stony Brook DB Tyrice Beverette has signed with the New York Jets, his agent tells @HEROSportsFCS 8:03 PM - Apr 28, 2018 Later

MFS62 Apr 29 2018 07:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

CBS Sports grade of the Jets draft shares my concern: NEW YORK JETS | B+ Sam Darnold and Nathan Shepherd make up most of the positive weight here, and it keeps the Jets from feeling like they missed too much without those second-rounders. But they could have spent those picks on the offensive line, but instead, left this draft without any new blockers for their franchise quarterback. Still, that's the only glaring flaw in this class, as they got tons of athleticism and upside with their Day 3 picks. In the end, if Darnold is "the guy," that's enough to make the whole class a success, and we'll never remember who they might have gotten with those other picks. Later

Vic Sage Apr 30 2018 11:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 30 2018 03:12 PM

Jets Draft 2018 - grade and analysis If Sam Darnold ends up being an effective quarterback for the next decade, it won't matter who else the Jets drafted this year. That being said, the draft was a decidedly mixed bag after that. The following is an analysis of each pick, along with my suggested alternate pick (which assumes that they made none of the trades they ended up making): Round 1 (3): Sam Darnold - the consensus top rated QB in this class fell to the Jets and they took him. So good for them. However, is the difference between Darnold and Rosen so great as to cost them a shot at an edge rusher like Harold Landry and a TE like Goedart in the 2nd round (as well as next year's 2nd r pick?). No. But that's in hindsight. I understand why they traded up... if they stayed at 6, there was a chance that all of the top 4 prospects could've been gone, or at least the top 3 and they'd have been stuck with Allen or no QB. So the safest play was to move up. Still, it ended up being too costly a move for a team with too many holes, for a prospect that's decidedly less than "blue chip." Grade: B Alternate pick: (6) Rosen, QB - Maybe the best QB prospect in this draft. Certainly, the one that is most pro-ready. His injury history gives him a lower floor than Darnold, so Darnold was the safer pick. But at the cost of 3 2nd rounders? Round 2 (37): traded (to move up for Darnold). Grade: F Alternate pick: Harold Landry (OLB/Edge) - The second biggest need on this team is an edge rusher. Landry is one of the top-rated OLB/DE edge rushers in the draft. Round 2(49): traded (to move up for Darnold). Grade: F Alternate pick: Dallas Goedert (TE) - We have no starting-caliber TE on the roster, and this is one of the top rated guys in the draft. Round 3 (72): Nathan Shepard (DT) - A 25-year old guy from a division II school? Wtf? With so many holes on this roster? Yeah, he's big and fast (and a "good character" guy), but this is an example of falling in love with a guy's bio and his numbers at the combine. I know they want to replace Wilkerson, but I don't know that Shepard is even better than McLendon, Pennel or Cooper, much less any of the other guys still available at this pick. Yes, apparently he has talent but even if he develops into the DT they think he can be, he'll be 29 by the end of his rookie deal and looking for big money at that point. This is no way to run an airline. Grade: C- Alternate Pick: Rasheem Green (DE) - If you're going to go for a DL in this spot, one of the top-rated DEs in the draft, with pass rushing production at a big-time program, was sitting there. Just sitting there. Round 4 (107): Chris Herndon (TE) - So they pick a guy coming off a major MCL injury, who has talent, but whose production at Miami wasn't that impressive. And they still haven't drafted an OLman or an effective edge rusher at this point. Grade: B- Alternate Pick: Tyrell Crosby (OT) - The offensive line is thin and not very good. Crosby is a powerful tackle and good depth with the potential to start. Round 5 (157): traded (moved back for 2 6th round picks, 180 and 204). Grade: C Alternate Pick: Darius Phillips (CB) - Moving back to get 2 more 6th round picks cost them the chance to take Phillips, one of the best kick returners in college football last year, which is a role they have not been able to fill for ages, also giving them better depth at CB. Round 6 (179): Parry Nickerson (CB) - A similar player to Phillips, but without the demonstrated kick return production. Still, lightning fast and good value here. Grade: B Alternate pick: Bradley Bozeman (OL) - They need more depth along the OL and this guy was a well-regarded interior lineman/center. Round 6 (180): Folo Fatukasi (DT) - another talented project on the DL; we have about 30 of them now. UConn is not Div II, but it might as well be. Still no OL drafted however. Grade: C Alternate Pick: none, since I wouldn't have traded back to pick up more 6th rounders. If i had, it would've been someone like Russell Gage (WR), who would be a special teams demon for a unit so in need of help. Round 6 (204): Trenton Cannon (RB) - another fast but smallish RB/return guy, another Div II guy with good combine measurables, but (like Shepherd) played against 2nd tier competition, so who knows? Grade: B- Alternate Pick: none, since I wouldn't have traded back to pick up more 6th rounders. If i had, it would've been someone like Equanimeous St. Brown, a fast, strong and big-bodied WR with a great name. Round 7 (235): traded for DL Henry Anderson (a castoff from the Colts after 3 years of undistinguished service). the 731st DL project now on the roster. Grade: D Alternate Pick: Bo Scarborough (RB) - a big, strong short-yardage back that was considered a great value / sleeper pick. Overall grade: C After not addressing the OLine in the draft, they signed a bunch of OLmen from Auburn (and other places) as UDFAs. Too little, too late. And i still don't know who our OLB/edge rusher is going to be. Mauldin again? special teams guy Josh Martin? DE Brandon Copeland, playing out of position? Dylan Donahue, on the run from the cops? some random dude currently bagging groceries in Quebec? who the fuck knows. But luckily its just one of the most important positions on the field. Macc was so smart not to really address it at all. [on edit: they've just resigned OLB David Bass, so now he too will be in the rotation as a situational pass rusher... whoop-de-damned-doo.] As for impacting this year's team, i doubt any of these picks will be a starter at any position, although Nickerson has a good chance of being used as their primary K/P returner, and if Herndon is healthy, he may make his way into the TE rotation. Shepherd may end up a rotational DLman, too. If he ends up being as good in the NFL as he was at Ft. Hayes State, he'll take pressure off Williams and will end up making this a great draft for the Jets. I remain dubious, however.

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2018 01:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Thanks for all that. I meant to add above, "let's just wait and let Vic Sage tell us how the draft went and take it from there."

MFS62 Apr 30 2018 07:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Thanks Vic, for being Vic. I agree with this one, especially Mac's (annual) neglect of the O Line. But, on the bright side, I have always liked Auburn running backs for their versatility - they are coached well to run, catch passes and block. I hope their offensive linemen are well coached, too, and that the ones we signed will be of help. One of the UDFAs was a Canadian kid who has huge potential as an offensive lineman, too. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 01 2018 10:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

That they picked the D II guy wasn't what got me... it's that they passed on Green (who went something like five picks later) for someone who likely would've lasted until the 4th-round pick.

MFS62 May 02 2018 07:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: That they picked the D II guy wasn't what got me... it's that they passed on Green (who went something like five picks later) for someone who likely would've lasted until the 4th-round pick. Not sure. He was on the "top 50" lists of several of the draft gurus I've heard interviewed since the draft. They consider him a "high value" pick with selection # 72. Later

Nymr83 May 02 2018 07:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Ganggreennation is full of draft articles of course including this one: [url]https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/5/2/17312062/pro-football-focus-gives-the-jets-an-elite-draft-grade-for-2018 While Pro Football Focus is behind a paywall, there is a an excerpt here and they called the Jets' draft "Elite"

Nymr83 May 02 2018 09:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Robby Anderson missed a court date today and a bench warrant has been issued. what a clown.

Vic Sage May 02 2018 09:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Ganggreennation is full of draft articles of course including this one: [url]https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/5/2/17312062/pro-football-focus-gives-the-jets-an-elite-draft-grade-for-2018 While Pro Football Focus is behind a paywall, there is a an excerpt here and they called the Jets' draft "Elite" That's nice to hear. They certainly think more of Shepherd than I do, which is great. And I agree about Darnold and Nickerson being great values. But the TE is coming off a major MCL and hasn't shown he can play yet, so he's still a major question mark. and the UConn DLman is a run stopper, which we don't particularly need, with no demonstrated pass rush ability, which we do need. a lot. so I guess we'll see. If Darnold and Shepherd turn out well, it'll be an elite draft. Shit, if all we get is a legit QB, it'll be an elite draft.

Vic Sage May 02 2018 09:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Robby Anderson missed a court date today and a bench warrant has been issued. what a clown. The Jets need a "plan B" for a deep threat after this fuckup finally gets arrested, suspended, or killed.

HahnSolo May 03 2018 06:49 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Hard to imagine he won’t be at least suspended now.

Nymr83 May 03 2018 08:19 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I hope Enunwa is back where he was after a year off. Hard working guy, great talent, if he was white there would be Wayne Cherbet conparisons flying, at least that was how I felt about him before the injury. The rest of this receiving core blows

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2018 10:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Robby Anderson missed a court date today and a bench warrant has been issued. what a clown. The Jets need a "plan B" for a deep threat after this fuckup finally gets arrested, suspended, or killed. Except... it was a clerical error on the court's part.

Nymr83 May 04 2018 11:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

ok, i guess we gotta move this to the "Florida Crazy" thread, idiots!

Vic Sage May 04 2018 12:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Robby Anderson missed a court date today and a bench warrant has been issued. what a clown. The Jets need a "plan B" for a deep threat after this fuckup finally gets arrested, suspended, or killed. Except... it was a clerical error on the court's part. His lawyer said it was a "clerical error", but ok... so not his fault (perhaps) THIS time. But Anderson's behavior still suggests the need for "plan b".

Nymr83 May 22 2018 03:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

HackenScrub shipped to the Raiders for a conditional 7th round pick. The "condition" on these is usually that he makes the roster, which seems doubtful. The worst in a recent string of terrible second round picks, beating out such inspiring performances as Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse

MFS62 May 22 2018 07:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Its the same wonderful feeling of relief you get when that laxative you've been taking for almost a week finally works. Later

Nymr83 May 22 2018 08:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: Its the same wonderful feeling of relief you get when that laxative you've been taking for almost a week finally works. Later that cracked me up.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2018 06:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

4th round pick Chris Herndon racking up the stats already - 1 DUI, 1 assuredly pending lawsuit from an injured 76 year old driver.

Nymr83 Jun 12 2018 08:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Hackenberg cut by the Raiders, 3 weeks after getting traded for a conditional pick that they now won't have to deliver.

Vic Sage Jun 12 2018 09:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Hackenberg cut by the Raiders, 3 weeks after getting traded for a conditional pick that they now won't have to deliver. Gruden, the QB whisperer, took one look at this kid and said, "um, no thank you." f'only Mac had done the same.

MFS62 Jun 15 2018 06:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Hackenberg cut by the Raiders, 3 weeks after getting traded for a conditional pick that they now won't have to deliver. Gruden, the QB whisperer, took one look at this kid and said, "um, no thank you." f'only Mac had done the same. So did everyone else. He cleared waivers without being claimed by any team. Later

Vic Sage Jul 16 2018 01:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Jets cut Devin Smith today. So now the Jets have drafted busts in the 2nd round of their last 6 drafts, since picking David Harris in 2007: Vlad Ducasse /OL (2010) Stephen Hill /WR (2012) Geno Smith /QB (2013) Jace Amaro /TE (2014) Devin Smith /WR (2015) Christian Hackenberg /QB (2016) Is there any doubt now that it was a good idea for them to trade three 2nd round picks in order to move up for Darnold? They wouldn't know what to do with those picks anyway.

Nymr83 Jul 16 2018 06:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Maye should break the streak, but wow that is just BAD

Nymr83 Jul 26 2018 08:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

1st practice is tomorrow and Darnold remains unsigned. Same Old Jets

Vic Sage Jul 31 2018 08:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

McGwire broke his foot; a good day for backup RBs on the roster. Darnold signs; a good day for Jets fans.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2018 08:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

$20 mil guaranteed; a good day for Sam.

Nymr83 Aug 29 2018 02:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Bridgewater & 6th rounder to the Saint for 3rd rounder an unusually good move by the Jets who will eat 500k in dead money to essentially buy a 3rd round pick (hey, Wilpon, are you watching?) - the Jets signed him for nothing this offseason when anyone could have had him, let him prove he was was healthy, and then shipped him off for value a few months later

Nymr83 Aug 30 2018 09:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Hackenberg. ha. got abused by Jets 4th stringers tonight. Jets still lost, but wow does that guy suck

Vic Sage Sep 02 2018 11:49 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

they cut Hack after the game. Ha. In fact, most of Macagnan's first draft is out of work now, and not much is left of the next year's draft either. I thought he was a scouting/player development guy? For this, we could've kept the previous clown. "Of Maccagnan's 22 picks, really just three have been high-impact players so far. Shell, Jenkins, and Edwards are solid enough, on top of what higher picks Maye, Adams, and Williams have done. Lee has been a disappointment, considering where he was drafted. But at least he is a starter. "Of those 22 picks, 13 remain with the Jets as of right now (though Clark, Donahue, and Hansen are practice squad candidates). Of those 13, one is suspended to start 2018 (Stewart)." 2015: only one of 6 players remains (Williams) 2016: one of 7 is gone (Hackenberg) 2017: three of 6 players are gone (Hansen, Donahue, Clark), 1 is suspended (Stewart) 2018: all 6 picks made the roster - Round 1: QB Sam Darnold Round 3: DE Nathan Shepherd Round 4: TE Chris Herndon Round 6: CB Parry Nickerson Round 6: DL Foley Fatukasi Round 6: RB Trenton Cannon

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2018 04:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Blurbs: * youngest QB since 1950 to start in a season opener * first rookie QB to start season opener on MNF * no pressure

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 10 2018 08:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Uh the Jets are winning by a margin they won't even blow. The announcers here are awful, how low has Monday Night Football sunk?

41Forever Sep 10 2018 08:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Was nice of Darnold to spot the Lions a 7-point lead like that. Gave them a little hope.

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2018 08:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The announcers here are awful, how low has Monday Night Football sunk? I dunno, they were ok and didn't really mess anything up. Kinda refreshing from watching three big-heads crowding the booth. But yeah, MNF has hit rock bottom.

Fman99 Sep 11 2018 05:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: Blurbs: * youngest QB since 1950 to start in a season opener * first rookie QB to start season opener on MNF * no pressure This was fun to watch. I am full of hope, for once.

Fman99 Sep 11 2018 05:17 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Uh the Jets are winning by a margin they won't even blow. The announcers here are awful, how low has Monday Night Football sunk? I thought they were bad. I miss Gruden, I enjoyed his insights from the booth, and I always felt Tirico was a solid play by play guy. This crew, hopefully, is the "B crew" due to there being two games (which doesn't happen on any other MNF week).

HahnSolo Sep 11 2018 05:37 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

The ‘A’ crew did the Raiders game. You probably won’t hear this crew again unless you’re watching the Saturday 12 noon Big Ten game on ESPN2.

MFS62 Sep 11 2018 06:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I wonder if the 41 YD TD on third and short was his call or an audible at the line when he read the defense. If it was an audible, in his first game, this kid has some steel spheres hangin'. Later

41Forever Sep 11 2018 06:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

My wife and I were getting pizza in a sports bar as the game started, and the place went nuts when d'Anrold -- he's got to change it to that to fit in -- threw the first pass for a pick and touchdown. But I told my wife, "It's the Lions. Anything bad can happen."

Vic Sage Sep 11 2018 08:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: I wonder if the 41 YD TD on third and short was his call or an audible at the line when he read the defense. If it was an audible, in his first game, this kid has some steel spheres hangin'. Later according to a talking head, Anderson was a decoy on that play but, upon seeing busted coverage that left no one over the top to stop Anderson, the kid threw it deep instead of taking the short route. Yes, major league yabbos on the boy.

Lefty Specialist Sep 11 2018 12:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

So who were those guys in the green and white uniforms and what did they do with the Jets?

HahnSolo Sep 12 2018 06:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Lefty Specialist wrote: So who were those guys in the green and white uniforms and what did they do with the Jets? Speaking of uniforms, the all-whites with the white facemasks were great. If they wore those every week I'd be happy.

Nymr83 Sep 14 2018 08:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

GangGreenNation might be my favorite website. here is a great 3 minute video breaking down Darnold's TD to Anderson. Maybe the Jets finally found the right guy? [url]https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/9/14/17858908/video-breakdown-of-jets-qb-sam-darnolds-first-touchdown-pass

Frayed Knot Sep 15 2018 04:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

How many on that site admit to texting 'Same old Fucking Jets' after Darnold's first pass?

41Forever Sep 15 2018 06:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

My brother-in-law has season tickets for the Bears, and invited me to see them play the Jets on Oct. 28. I've been to a couple Lions games, but have never seen the Jets in person.

Nymr83 Sep 16 2018 07:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Jets doing Jet things

d'Kong76 Sep 16 2018 08:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Foot shootin', mistake makin' and penalties foolakin'... not a good recipe.

MFS62 Sep 17 2018 07:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

41Forever wrote: My brother-in-law has season tickets for the Bears, and invited me to see them play the Jets on Oct. 28. I've been to a couple Lions games, but have never seen the Jets in person. Enjoy the game. And when he tells you what a great football mind George Halas had, remind him that Halas cut George Blanda (who went on to the Hall of Fame) and was never able to find a decent quarterback again. Its like the Red Sox' Babe Ruth curse.) Its good to be able to stick it to in-laws, especially when they pay for the tickets. As for the Jets, they were many mistakes, the kind well coached teams don't make. https://nypost.com/2018/09/16/jets-repo ... dd-bowles/ Later

Vic Sage Sep 18 2018 03:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

ah, the world is back in balance. SOJ have returned.

Nymr83 Sep 20 2018 09:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Week one was such a waste, why couldnt they just suck and set the tone for what this year was really going to look like? Ugly. Disgusting second half. No offense to speak of, fumbling away points, thia team makes me sick

Nymr83 Sep 20 2018 10:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

oh and don't even wait, fire Bowles now. worst coach since Kotite.

Fman99 Sep 21 2018 03:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

That was gross.

MFS62 Sep 21 2018 06:08 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: ah, the world is back in balance. SOJ have returned. Same old coach. Cleveland was on a short week, too. They were going to put in basic plays with a few tweaks. But the Jets played like they had never seen them before. He can't make in-game adjustments to what the other team is doing, and never has been able to do it. Later

Vic Sage Sep 21 2018 01:33 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

oh, so THAT'S what a rookie "franchise QB" looks like! got it. thanks. SOJ... and god is in his heaven and all is right with the world.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 21 2018 07:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: oh and don't even wait, fire Bowles now. worst coach since Kotite. TERRIBLE playcalling/scheming (continuing to play the LBs up toward the line despite Taylor leaving the game, e.g., which allowed for Mayfield to work the seam with impunity). Continued disciplinary/dumb penalty issues. And he's gotten four years to work his magic. FOUR!

MFS62 Oct 01 2018 06:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Like watching "Groundhog Day" - same stuff over and over - penalties, missed opportunities, poor execution, unprepared/ unresponsive to in-game changes by the opponent and the failure to make adjustments of their own. It is blatant against good opposition and frustrating against lesser competition. And it isn't getting better as long as Bowles is there and Mac is getting him the players. Later

Lefty Specialist Oct 01 2018 08:28 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Well, if there's one lesson we've learned this season, it's that the Lions really suck.

MFS62 Oct 07 2018 04:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, if there's one lesson we've learned this season, it's that the Lions really suck. So who are these dudes who broke into Metlife, left the Jets naked and bound with duct tape in the locker room and then went out and played? Later

Lefty Specialist Oct 07 2018 05:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

It's a real mystery how they can look so bad one week and so good the next.

Nymr83 Oct 07 2018 07:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, if there's one lesson we've learned this season, it's that the Lions really suck. Also, the Broncos. Jets basically benched Crowell after he set the Jets single game rushing record on only 15 carries (Powell had 20, including 6 after Crowell was benched, 3 on that drive and 3 on the next) - he had at least an outside shot at history, 75 yards short of Peterson's single-game NFL mark oh and Maye ran an interception back 104 yards...and didn't score!! that is of course the record for longest return WITHOUT scoring - so there was at least on "LOLJETS" moment even if it was more of a "laughing with them" thing

Nymr83 Nov 05 2018 06:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

well, this season has gotten ugly fast! I'm done with Bates - another in a long line of clueless offensive coordinators. the center couldn't get the shotgun snap off - either he needs to come out of the game or the QB needs to be under center. terrible. terrible. terrible.

41Forever Nov 05 2018 07:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

So, I was at the Chicago game. Yikes. The Jets kept running and running and running and straight into a brick wall every time. The Bears were really beatable here, and the Jets seemed to just roll over. As for Solider Field, it was kind of fun. I haven't been to an NFL game since seeing the Lions play on Thanksgiving twice in the late 1990s. There were a lot of fun activities inside and outside the stadium. I think I was handed three different towels. My brother-in-law told me it would be OK to wear a Jets cap, and there were a handful of other Jets fans. I got virtually no abuse, which was nice. Soldier Field seemed like a decent place as far as football places go.

Fman99 Nov 06 2018 05:22 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I haven't been to an NFL game in 20 years -- we went to see the Jets in Buffalo, a buddy and I. We wore our Jets gear and got only good natured ribbing from the locals. It helped that the Jets were losing, I think. It was also 37 and rained torrentially all day. Really a miserable day to be at a game.

MFS62 Nov 11 2018 12:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

At the end of this game Bowles should find his clothes outside the locker room door, his entry card deactivated and his car towed from the employee parking lot. Fire his arse sooner, not Later

Nymr83 Nov 11 2018 01:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: At the end of this game Bowles should find his clothes outside the locker room door, his entry card deactivated and his car towed from the employee parking lot. Fire his arse sooner, not Later Amen. Its a bye week. Clean house.

Vic Sage Nov 12 2018 03:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I have of late, (and wherefore I do know) lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition; that this goodly frame the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy the air, look you, this brave o'er hanging firmament, this majestical roof, fretted with golden fire: why, it appeareth no other thing to me, than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of shit is Todd, How lacking in reason, how infinite in incapacity, In form and moving how unexpressive and miserable, In inaction how like an stone, In comprehension how like a clod, The ugliness of the world, The paragon of imbeciles. And to me, he is the quintessence of dust. Todd delights not me; no, nor Bates either; though i'd be smiling if Johnson gave him the heave ho.

MFS62 Nov 12 2018 07:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Vic Sage wrote: I have of late, (and wherefore I do know) lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition; that this goodly frame the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy the air, look you, this brave o'er hanging firmament, this majestical roof, fretted with golden fire: why, it appeareth no other thing to me, than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of shit is Todd, How lacking in reason, how infinite in incapacity, In form and moving how unexpressive and miserable, In inaction how like an stone, In comprehension how like a clod, The ugliness of the world, The paragon of imbeciles. And to me, he is the quintessence of dust. Todd delights not me; no, nor Bates either; though i'd be smiling if Johnson gave him the heave ho. Like I said. Fire his arse. :) The fact that he was allowed to stay around for the post game press conference was unconscionable. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 14 2018 01:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Football Fan Charged With DWI Says He Was Drunk ‘Because the Jets Suck’ USA TODAY Sports A football fan who was charged with driving drunk after a car crash told police he drank too much because his team–the New York Jets—“suck.” Christopher Greyshock, 57, rear-ended another vehicle about 5:15 p.m. Sunday—about an hour after the Jets lost 41-10 to the Buffalo Bills, to fall to 3-7 this season. Authorities say Greyshock, from West Milford, New Jersey, told officers: “I drank too much because the Jets suck.” An open bottle of whiskey and suspected marijuana was discovered in his car after the crash. He was charged with DWI and assault by auto.

d'Kong76 Nov 14 2018 02:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Judge should get a chuckle over that one.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 14 2018 04:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

If they aren't firing Bowles, it has to be in the interest of cost-saving, or at least why-bother.

d'Kong76 Nov 18 2018 11:05 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Not that I'm a glutton for punishment, but anyone know why today's game isn't airing in NY? Paper (fNYT) says 1:00 CBS.

d'Kong76 Nov 18 2018 11:35 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Strong possibly it's not on is because it's not Nov 25th today. Never mind, nothing to see here.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2018 12:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: ... anyone know why today's game isn't airing in NY? Popular demand? btw, this week is the Jets Off week, it's not their 'Bye' week. A 'Bye' is when you get that game off and automatically advance to the next round due to something you've accomplished, such as a high seed or high regular season finish. When the top two teams in each conference sit out week 1 of the playoffs and wait until the following week for the survivors, THAT'S a Bye week. This is simply an off week built into each team's season so the league can stretch a 16 game schedule into 17 weeks of programming. Yes, this is largely semantics but it's always bugged me, more for the idea that the networks take their marching orders from the NFL and follow along so sheepishly. To my knowledge, only the NY Times refuses to fall in line by listing which teams have an 'Open Date' on that week's schedule. I'm half surprised the NFL hasn't revoked their press privileges over it.

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2018 05:19 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

I wish this were the week the Jets said 'Bye' to Todd Bowles.

Fman99 Dec 02 2018 06:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

This was the worst one yet. I won't watch them again this year, I don't think. I literally felt worse about my life after sitting through that.

MFS62 Dec 02 2018 06:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Lefty Specialist wrote: I wish this were the week the Jets said 'Bye' to Todd Bowles. The Packers fired head coach Mike McCarthy after today's game. Joe Beningo (WFAN), a long suffering Jets fan (is there any other kind?) has predicted that after the last game of the year, McCarthy would be fired. And Joe said he hopes he would then walk right into the Jets locker room and sign a contract with the Jets. I'm not sure about that. Aaron Rodgers hasn't liked the way he was coached this year and I wonder if McCarthy and Darnold would not get along either. But he has been a winner for his 12 years in Green Bay, so they could (and probably will) do a lot worse after they deservedly fire Bowles. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 02 2018 08:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

MFS62 wrote: But he has been a winner for his 12 years in Green Bay, so they could (and probably will) do a lot worse ... And if he can bring a 12-years younger Aaron Rodgers with him he'd probably be a winner in NYC over the next dozen years too.

Nymr83 Dec 03 2018 07:17 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Why would they even make these and who would want one other than as a gag gift for Jets fans?

MFS62 Dec 03 2018 07:40 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

Nymr83 wrote: Why would they even make these and who would want one other than as a gag gift for Jets fans? Why? Because they are cruel and don't care how they make their money. Who? A really cruel person who should only plotz. Later

Lefty Specialist Dec 03 2018 08:56 AM Re: J-E-T-S 2018

At the bottom it says WARNING: CHOKING HAZARD. And they're not talking about the Legos.