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IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

41Forever Apr 17 2018 03:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 17 2018 12:31 PM

I can take a shot at this. Monday was one of those nights to remind you what 2017 was like so we can better appreciate 2018. Zack Wheeler, who had a strong 2018 debut, takes on Gio Gonzalez. Time for some relentless positive action! The streak starts anew.

Lefty Specialist Apr 17 2018 12:12 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Clear the mechanism, boys.

Centerfield Apr 17 2018 01:17 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Big game tonight. Yuge.

MFS62 Apr 17 2018 01:22 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

I hat Gio. C'mon Wilmer. Later

G-Fafif Apr 17 2018 07:23 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Cabrera 2B Cespedes LF Flores 1B Frazier 3B Bruce RF Lagares CF Nido C Wheeler P Rosario SS

Edgy MD Apr 17 2018 07:35 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Cabrera needs to be sitting today.

Centerfield Apr 17 2018 07:37 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Edgy MD wrote: Cabrera needs to be sitting today. Yeah. That would be the ballsy move right? But he's hitting, and he switch hits, and we need this game, and Reyes is 0 for 2018. Are we really sitting Conforto every lefty?

A Boy Named Seo Apr 17 2018 07:40 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

The guy with 4 hits yesterday? He plays. His base running boner was instinctual and aggressive and completely stupid. But it wasn't lazy or apathetic. Shit happens.

Centerfield Apr 17 2018 07:44 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

And how are we going to find out if Nimmo can hit lefties if we never play him?

Edgy MD Apr 17 2018 07:46 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

A Boy Named Seo wrote: The guy with 4 hits yesterday? He plays. His base running boner was instinctual and aggressive and completely stupid. But it wasn't lazy or apathetic. Shit happens. HEAD IN THE GAME!! IT MATTERS!!

d'Kong76 Apr 17 2018 07:46 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Turner ss Kendrick 2b Harper rf Zimmerman 1b Sierra lf Taylor cf Difo 3b Severino c Gonzalez p

d'Kong76 Apr 17 2018 07:49 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Edgy MD wrote: HEAD IN THE GAME!! IT MATTERS!! I think at this point in his career and clubhouse stature he's a little above being benched for a one-time offense. This is a big game, you trot our your big players and he's hot right now. OE: Offense is even strong, dumb miscue?

Ashie62 Apr 17 2018 10:38 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

At some point the Mets are going have to get more production at catcher. Hoping Nido can get something started tonight LGM

Edgy MD Apr 17 2018 11:24 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Bases-loaded, inning-ending double-play. I like this Moisés Sierra's style.

Edgy MD Apr 17 2018 11:48 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Are none of you watching this crap? Lots o' balls by Gonzo. But a strike-'em-out-throw-'em-out DP kills that mini-rally attempt.

Lefty Specialist Apr 18 2018 12:18 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

These ain't the Marlins, Zack.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2018 12:21 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Do these muthafuckas ever hit balls AT people?!? I don't mean to demean their comeback last night or their lead tonight (well, I sorta do) but every soft piece of shit the Nats have made over the last 8 innings or so have landed just out of reach, or dribbled between, fielders.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 12:24 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to demean their comeback last night or their lead tonight (well, I sorta do) but every soft piece of shit the Nats have made over the last 8 innings or so have landed just out of reach, or dribbled between, fielders. They battle!

41Forever Apr 18 2018 12:47 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Now we've got something going!

41Forever Apr 18 2018 12:49 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

On the board!

41Forever Apr 18 2018 12:49 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

And another!

Nymr83 Apr 18 2018 01:09 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Reyes still drawing the "jose" chants at 0-16 on the year He looks LOST

Lefty Specialist Apr 18 2018 01:11 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Oh, Jose.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 01:11 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

That swing to go 0-17 was just fugly.

Gwreck Apr 18 2018 01:11 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Not good. Maybe we need a Reyes Deathwatch instead.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 01:13 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Gwreck wrote: Not good. Maybe we need a Reyes Deathwatch instead. Yeah, that was ugly.

Nymr83 Apr 18 2018 01:13 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Keith thought they might bring in a righty to face Rosario there - why? So the Mets could counter Conforto there? That would be dumb for the Nats

Lefty Specialist Apr 18 2018 01:19 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Painful to watch Reyes at this point. Shoulda let him squeeze to get him going.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2018 01:23 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Even our defensive catchers don't make good throws to 2nd. Have yet to see a good one out of Lobaton or Nido.

Gwreck Apr 18 2018 01:34 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Strange no PH here for Flores.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 01:37 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2018 01:39 AM

Big spot for Frazier! OE: Or Not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 18 2018 01:38 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

That was one fygly turn at bat, Flava

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 01:40 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Strandy strandy.

MFS62 Apr 18 2018 01:41 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Frayed Knot wrote: Do these muthafuckas ever hit balls AT people?!? I don't mean to demean their comeback last night or their lead tonight (well, I sorta do) but every soft piece of shit the Nats have made over the last 8 innings or so have landed just out of reach, or dribbled between, fielders. If the team was Florida, you could say they learned that from Jeter. Later

41Forever Apr 18 2018 01:48 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Maybe we should trade for a catcher after all.

Fman99 Apr 18 2018 01:48 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

This game is kind of sucky.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 01:58 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

MFS62 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Do these muthafuckas ever hit balls AT people?!? I don't mean to demean their comeback last night or their lead tonight (well, I sorta do) but every soft piece of shit the Nats have made over the last 8 innings or so have landed just out of reach, or dribbled between, fielders. If the team was Florida, you could say they learned that from Jeter. Later Part of that is some underwhelming Metly infielding.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 02:03 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Cabrera up as the tying run. Céspedes the go-ahead on deck.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 02:05 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Blurp.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 02:07 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Booth said 0-9 with runners in scoring position tonight.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 18 2018 02:17 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Buncha shit at bats at key times: Reyes, Frazier, Cabrera.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 02:21 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Bunt for a hit, guys. Yeah, even you, Wilmer.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 02:22 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Fman99 Apr 18 2018 02:24 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

That sucked a garbage bag full of flaccid dicks.

MFS62 Apr 18 2018 02:25 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Welcome, kid. You throw hard. Later

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 02:49 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Blowage.

Centerfield Apr 18 2018 01:51 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

I don't understand why you pinch hit the guy who's 0 for 2018 in that 6th inning. Conforto was available no? I get the lefty-righty thing, but if the RH batter is 0 for 16 and the lefty batter is Conforto, I think you have to throw the splits out the window. I thought it was a real good sign the other day when Calloway PH Gonzalez against a LH hitter. I guess that didn't last.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2018 02:32 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Cast your vote!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 18 2018 02:48 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Centerfield wrote: I don't understand why you pinch hit the guy who's 0 for 2018 in that 6th inning. Conforto was available no? I get the lefty-righty thing, but if the RH batter is 0 for 16 and the lefty batter is Conforto, I think you have to throw the splits out the window. I thought it was a real good sign the other day when Calloway PH Gonzalez against a LH hitter. I guess that didn't last. I really thought Jose was going to come through there. Really anyone on a major league roster needed to come though there, get the run in somehow. I'm beginning to think we really do need to go and trade for a No. 1 catcher. Someone who can do it offensively and defensively, just an everyday thing. I'm not convinced Plawecki is that guy injured or not. We were burned when we used Plawecki as the everyday guy before due to injury, though he was more like Nido then, just up.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 03:11 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

41Forever wrote: Maybe we should trade for a catcher after all. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm beginning to think we really do need to go and trade for a No. 1 catcher. Someone who can do it offensively and defensively, just an everyday thing. Really tough this time of year, no? Have to find a trading partner who doesn't want a good catcher. Trading from a a position of desperation means they'll take it up the ass with who they part with. Team is in first place, teams aren't going to line up to do the Mets any favors with- out getting something really substantial in return. My guess is we're stuck with what we have for now and are going to have to make do.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 03:17 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

We need to stop playing our 5th best outfielder, Bruce, more than the other guys. And Cespedes needs to get going. And Rosario. Finding a catcher in april is gonna be hard. Lobaton..well, he sucks. sometimes he has good years/stretches. Maybe Nido has some talent. Best we can hope for is that Plawecki's injury is in fact minor and that his recent history this year and last year is what he'll give us going forward.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 03:19 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

You need to chill on Bruce for a few weeks and see what happens.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2018 03:27 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Bumping to the new page. Benjamin Grimm wrote: Cast your vote!

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 03:35 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

d'Kong76 wrote: You need to chill on Bruce for a few weeks and see what happens. see what happens? he's 31. He's not going to 'break out' and be something other than what he is. Unless you mean Nimmo and Lagares and Conforto will suddenly suck or get hurt?

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 04:09 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Yes, see what happens. Yesterday you said, "Jay Bruce sucks." He doesn't suck and is signed for three years for substantial money. He's not going to ride the pine. You're only optimistic Mets fan and Mr. Small Sample Size when it fits who you like for whatever reasons.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 05:38 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

d'Kong76 wrote: Yes, see what happens. Yesterday you said, "Jay Bruce sucks." He doesn't suck and is signed for three years for substantial money. He's not going to ride the pine. You're only optimistic Mets fan and Mr. Small Sample Size when it fits who you like for whatever reasons. Mr. small sample size? that's a real thing for one, and the other is that I'm referencing the entire juiced ball era (which really juices Bruce's one skill to make him better) as the sample. Nimmo's sample is smaller, but it includes last year. I'm including Cespedes history too, which is why I rank him above Bruce. Lagares is less obvious, depends how you feel about defense, but fine, call Bruce the 4th outfielder if you like. Since the start of 2016 Brandon Nimmo (and Conforto, and Cespedes, and Granderson, and Lagares) have been worth more fWAR as a Met than Jay Bruce.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 18 2018 05:57 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Yes, see what happens. Yesterday you said, "Jay Bruce sucks." He doesn't suck and is signed for three years for substantial money. He's not going to ride the pine. You're only optimistic Mets fan and Mr. Small Sample Size when it fits who you like for whatever reasons. Lagares is less obvious, depends how you feel about defense, but fine, call Bruce the 4th outfielder if you like. Lagares is a dreadful hitter, a minor league hitter, really, if even that. But Bruce's splits are so pronounced that he's awful against lefties, about as bad as Lagares is against lefties, albeit with more power. But when you factor in Lagares's defense, Bruce should almost never be starting against lefties over Lagares.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 06:13 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: Mr. small sample size? Yes, and maybe I'm wrong but in other scenarios you'd be the, "meh, it's only 16 games so I'm not going to get my shorts in a knot just yet" guy. I checked and you were indeed against the signing and I'll give you that. On the other hand, I 'Expected' a good season and I'm rooting for that. Not everything in baseball can be explained on a spreadsheet, otherwise they could just run sim games on Watson and not bother wasting 3 1/2 hours everyday playing the actual games.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 06:22 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mr. small sample size? Yes, and maybe I'm wrong but in other scenarios you'd be the, "meh, it's only 16 games so I'm not going to get my shorts in a knot just yet" guy. I checked and you were indeed against the signing and I'll give you that. On the other hand, I 'Expected' a good season and I'm rooting for that. Not everything in baseball can be explained on a spreadsheet, otherwise they could just run sim games on Watson and not bother wasting 3 1/2 hours everyday playing the actual games. yes, my argument here isn't that Bruce has been meh this season, it's that he's not good, period. I've been against it every time we've signed him. Sure, baseball's not played on a spreadsheet, but the mountains of data certainly strongly inform the idea that Bruce's ceiling is basically league average. At least he has a 13.6 BB% so far this year, but THAT is probably just small sample stuff.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 06:29 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Baseball Prospectus wrote: Bruce isn't the star that he impersonates when he's on one of his patented hot streaks, but if you catch him at the right time he can carry a lineup. > sucks

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 06:40 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

what's his patent number for these hot streaks? I mean, everyone's streaky.since 2016, Conforto and Cespedes have had better hit streaks. TJ Rivera has had similar streaks. As has Rene Rivera, James Loney, Juan Lagares and Jose Reyes. Asdrubal Cabrera has had three. So yes, a professional baseball player is capable of having a hot streak and providing a lot of offense during it. That doesn't make him not the 5th best OF on the Mets.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 07:30 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Last year Bruce had 36 homers -- tied for 15th in the majors -- and 101 RBI, tied for 18th best. That doesn't suck.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 07:34 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

41Forever wrote: Last year Bruce had 36 homers -- tied for 15th in the majors -- and 101 RBI, tied for 18th best. That doesn't suck. RBIs mean nothing in player evaluation, and the HR are nice but he still made more than average amount of outs to counter that one skill.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 07:36 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: RBIs mean nothing in player evaluation Until you need a few, down a run in the bottom of eighth, in a real game.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 07:38 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: RBIs mean nothing in player evaluation Until you need a few, down a run in the bottom of eighth, in a real game. And there are roughly 100 better ways to pick the player you want to come up in that situation than RBI.

d'Kong76 Apr 18 2018 07:43 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Roughly. Bruce > sucks

41Forever Apr 18 2018 07:51 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: 41Forever wrote: Last year Bruce had 36 homers -- tied for 15th in the majors -- and 101 RBI, tied for 18th best. That doesn't suck. RBIs mean nothing in player evaluation, and the HR are nice but he still made more than average amount of outs to counter that one skill. RBI reflect that he had a hit -- or at least put the ball in play (or walked with the bases loaded) -- with people on base. Last night we were 0-9 with people in scoring position. I would have liked some RBI.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 07:53 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

the Mets have 5 outfielders and he's the worst one and the most limited, that seems to suck for me, even if it's not Tebow level of sucking. 41Forever wrote: 41Forever wrote: Last year Bruce had 36 homers -- tied for 15th in the majors -- and 101 RBI, tied for 18th best. That doesn't suck. RBIs mean nothing in player evaluation, and the HR are nice but he still made more than average amount of outs to counter that one skill. RBI reflect that he had a hit -- or at least put the ball in play (or walked with the bases loaded) -- with people on base. Last night we were 0-9 with people in scoring position. I would have liked some RBI. I would've too, and the best way to get one is to get the best hitters on the team up, and that's not Bruce. Bruce having RBI is a direct result of the rest of the team being good in front of him.

Edgy MD Apr 18 2018 08:02 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: And there are roughly 100 better ways to pick the player you want to come up in that situation than RBI. I'll start. 1. Projectable frame. 2. Swagger. 3. The good face. 4. Literacy. 5. Penis size.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 08:15 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Bruce having RBI is a direct result of the rest of the team being good in front of him. I get that he has to have people on base a head of him, which is why leadoff hitters don't get a lot of RBI and that it's not the best measure for people batting in that spot. But, the RBI are a reflection of him having a productive at-bat while those good players are on base ahead of him. If he's driving in 101 people, he can't be all bad. Factor in that he did a chunk of that playing four months for us last year, without the benefit of him having a lot of good guys on base ahead of him.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 08:28 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

yes, and the reason some of the guys behind him didn't have as high totals is because Bruce made outs at higher than the league average rate, suppressing base-runners. If you magically gave all of those Bruce AB to Granderson or Conforto or Cespedes or Nimmo, they'd likely have HIGHER totals.

41Forever Apr 18 2018 08:48 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Ceetar wrote: yes, and the reason some of the guys behind him didn't have as high totals is because Bruce made outs at higher than the league average rate, suppressing base-runners. If you magically gave all of those Bruce AB to Granderson or Conforto or Cespedes or Nimmo, they'd likely have HIGHER totals. Yeah, but -- Granderson was super streaky, Cespedes was hurt, Nimmo was a rookie and Conforto already was in the lineup. Bruce was the guy we had, and he was effective at bringing to the plate 101 guys who were on base ahead of him. He had 75 when he left the team, and still was the team leader at the end. I'm not saying he's a league MVP. But I don't understand the dislike. He's a solid player.

41Forever Apr 19 2018 01:48 AM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack

Bruce seems intent on proving me wrong tonight, both in the field and at the plate....

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2018 02:06 PM Re: IGT 4/17/2018: WAS@NYM -- Zack Attack