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IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 27 2018 06:23 AM |
La Hollaaaaaa! Let's try and catch some balls, yes?
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Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2018 12:28 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Gotta beat up on the bad teams, and the Padres are a bad team. LGM.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 12:40 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Ces, Flav, Rosie, Obijuan we're talking to you. Mets RH Jacob deGrom (2-0, 2.53 ERA) Padres LH Clayton Richard (1-2, 5.67)
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Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2018 01:38 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Considering that right now they have two functioning starters, Syndergaard and deGrom, it's really important that the Mets get ahead and win the games they pitch. Otherwise you have to rely on bullpen magic and late-inning heroics, which are nice when they happen, but are not a sustainable game plan.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2018 01:46 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Hopefully the Mets mash the Padres this weekend. Rattling off three wins would be really beneficial. And you have to make hay against the teams that carry the adjective of "lowly".
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Centerfield Apr 27 2018 01:47 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Yup.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2018 01:52 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I really hope that Vargas gives us a boost in this department. I know it's far from a sure thing, but it's what I'm hoping for.
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 02:23 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I have more faith in Matz or Wheeler or Gsellman figuring it out than Vargas, who isn't particularly good. Mets lineup is gonna have to pick it up a little bit if we're gonna start relying on a league average type guy like Vargas.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 02:24 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
They're gonna need to pick it up regardless of who you don't like pitching.
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A Boy Named Seo Apr 27 2018 02:27 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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How quickly the optimism surrounding this year's starting pitching morphed into the familiar exasperation that surrounded last year's.
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 02:33 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I like Vargas enough, he's not just very good and has a long history that suggests he's not going to be very good. He could be okay though. and that's fine too, but at this juncture I'd still kinda rather take my chances with the guys with upside. well if Matz and Wheeler became as good as deGrom and Syndergaard, or even next tier, maybe they don't need to pick it up quite as much? They should though, because because Frazier and Cabrera can't carry everyone. Conforto's doing okay and Nimmo, Lagares and Flores are doing good in limited time, but the rest of those guys really need to step it up.
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Centerfield Apr 27 2018 02:37 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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And the thing is, everyone is healthy. Well, at least when Vargas gets back they will be. We really needed to get a good, reliable #3.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2018 02:46 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I'm really not looking for Vargas to be spectacular. I want him to give us seven decent innings.
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Ashie62 Apr 27 2018 03:24 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Vargas works at 86 mph
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 04:04 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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he's not going to. Vargas isn't getting to the third time through a lot. The Mets are hoping for a lot of 5-6 IP 2-3run games from him.
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41Forever Apr 27 2018 04:47 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Vargas’s 18 wins last year would have led our staff by three wins. And only deGrom had a better ERA. I’ll watch him pitch a little and see how he does before I decide that he sucks.
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 05:37 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
get out of here with pitcher wins.
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Edgy MD Apr 27 2018 05:43 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Just hit, Baby.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2018 05:53 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Yeah as stinky as the relief pitching has been at times, and as bad as the butt-end starters have been, we lose because we're not scoring enough. Conforto, Ces, Bruce all gotta start whacking.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 05:55 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Generally speaking, pitchers who win 18 games are a tad better than suck. It may not be the sexiest roto-sabr-fantasy-projection stat but I think we'd be hard pressed over the years to find a pitcher with 18 wins or more and say he flat out sucks(ed). We, meaning the reasonable folks reading this.
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Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2018 05:59 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Last year they were pitching bad because they were hurt. This year they're pitching bad because, um, they're just bad. They have no excuses (unless they're hurt and not telling anyone, which is a venerable Mets tradition). But wasting that fantastic start by Thor is just criminal. They have dead spots in their order from 6-9, and they just can't get by with it any more.
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Centerfield Apr 27 2018 06:02 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Our catchers hitting .100 and throwing the ball away is just killing me.
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Centerfield Apr 27 2018 06:02 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
My kingdom for Rene Rivera.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 06:03 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
6-8 have been bad, they were talking about it either yesterday or day
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TransMonk Apr 27 2018 06:15 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 27 2018 06:21 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I look at the team's stats and I don't have a fucking clue as to how the Mets had the NL's best record for most of the season. It looks now like they're finally regressing to the pumpkins that most analysts predicted they'd be.
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 06:21 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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okay, but we're not talking generally, we're talking specifically. flat out sucked? maybe. is not good? not hard. Vargas is a specific example of that. The best pitchers tend to accumulate wins because they're typically on the mound more, regularly, and longer. They also get more vitamin D. It's like looking at beer sales volume and concluding that Citi Field is the most popular bar in NYC.
Conforto's been sorta alright. It's Rosario I'm kinda focusing in on. Gonzalez too, but at least there seems to be some indication of bad luck there ,and he walks some.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2018 06:24 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I can't remember Conforto's last xbh.
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Edgy MD Apr 27 2018 06:51 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I tend to wonder if they kept the right rookie from last year. Maybe they should have gone with Smitty and sent Rosey back for more seasoning.
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Centerfield Apr 27 2018 06:53 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I'm ready for Peter Alonso. Guy is mashing.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2018 06:55 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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They can still send Rosario back to Vegas. Flores or Reyes can get more starts and someone like Ty Kelly or Phil Evans can come up and take a bench spot. I don't expect that will happen any time soon, if ever, but it's an option.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 07:04 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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They're on the mound more and longer because they suck less than the other starters who can't win 18 games. All starting pitchers are on regularly so I fixed that for ya too.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2018 07:06 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
No rookie first basemen till they prove they're way too good for the minors. We shoulda learned that last year. Hopefully that's the case before we have to take Gonzo out of his misery
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 27 2018 07:07 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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You may be right. I guess I assumed that because Vargas had 29 decisions and 18 wins last year (in 32 starts) that he was going deep into games. But I just looked at his Game Log from 2017. He pitched 7 or more innings in only 7 of his 29 starts. In comparison, Jacob deGrom last year went 7 or more 14 times in 31 starts.
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Lefty Specialist Apr 27 2018 07:08 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
They look pretty committed to Rosario. There really isn't anyone else. You're not going to throw Reyes out there every day and Cecchini isn't really a shortstop, sooo......they're going to ride him for a while.
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Ceetar Apr 27 2018 07:46 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I mean, you could put Cabrera there and play Flores at second I guess. or sign someone/trade someone. But Rosario has potential and you gotta roll with it a little. I don't mind Rosario, but he's not actually hitting, nor walking. Hopefully he will on both counts. It does seem like sometimes he has good AB but gets a little jumpier late in games in big spots. That's probably just anecdotal though.
Looks like it's been two weeks. On the other hand, he literally hasn't had a game where he hasn't been on base yet. his wRC+ is still above average. He could certainly help more, production wise, but at least he's getting on.
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Edgy MD Apr 27 2018 07:55 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Now he just needs to get over.
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d'Kong76 Apr 27 2018 10:40 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
[tweet:g9rm7qgz]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/989997669006348288[/tweet:g9rm7qgz]
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Frayed Knot Apr 27 2018 11:38 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Rhame back up, Oswalt down.
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Fman99 Apr 28 2018 12:33 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Happen to be in California today, as I'm running a marathon on Sunday. Sadly it's seven hours north of San Diego. Had the Metsies been playing in SF I'd have been attending. As it is I'll be listening to the first few innings on my phone while watching the sunset over Monterrey Bay, and then coming back to my hotel for the remainder, or, at least, as much of it as I can stay up for.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 02:00 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Just hit, you buncha Lóbatons.
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 02:49 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Keith just gave the finger on air!
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d'Kong76 Apr 28 2018 02:58 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
[fimg=350:2rck07gy]http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/keithbird.png[/fimg:2rck07gy]
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:04 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I closed my eyes for a minute, and there's a run. How'd we score? Huh? What? Huh?
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:06 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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San Diego was the site of Keith giving his 'no girls on the bench' rant only to find out later that she was part of the training staff. He had to do a public apology for that one, although anyone who demands he do the same over this 'incident' simply wasn't paying attention to the context. But hey, at least tonight it took Keith two whole innings to repeat what Gary had previously said (the part about Richards being a former U-Michigan backup QB). Sometimes he spouts some piece of information while being oblivious to the fact that Gary just said the exact same thing only seconds earlier.
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Fman99 Apr 28 2018 03:11 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Got the stream working on my laptop in my beautiful little hotel in Pacific Grove, only, my Chromecast doesn't work because the WiFi requires a login prompt. So now I have the game on the laptop on the right side of the screen, and the CPF on the left.
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 03:15 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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This is great and will be used often
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:17 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Halfway through the game in 1:05 ... is that even allowed these days?!?
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:21 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Just tuning in. Have the Padres really gone back to these colors?
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:23 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Friday night duds.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:24 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
"Who holds the Padres single-season record for homeruns as a catcher?"
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:25 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
My first reaction was Benito Santiago
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:26 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Great job pitching out of a jam, but he needs more support guyz.
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Fman99 Apr 28 2018 03:27 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I briefly thought Piazza also but this guess makes more sense.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:29 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
How cool to see Kevin Mitchell in the park while they're talking about barehanded catches.
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:30 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I just looked up [u:33i77rkv]the career[/u:33i77rkv] SDP records where Santiago does have the record for catcher HRs - but that doesn't necessarily mean he has the single season mark.
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Fman99 Apr 28 2018 03:35 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Vargas tomorrow will make his first Mets start since 2007. I wonder if any other Mets starting pitcher went 11 years between starts for them.
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Frayed Knot Apr 28 2018 03:38 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
[Trax] Steve Trachsel once went 11 minutes between pitches [/obligatory Trax was slow joke]
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:44 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Same. Pitch count, location, ability to work through mild trouble... it's our second "F@ck It, I'll do this my DAMN self" start in a row. AND we're catching things!
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:48 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Lóbaton just hit a giftwrapped DP ball, and it got through because they were stupishifting on him. BREAK!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:49 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2018 03:53 AM |
Lobaton takes advantage of a MASSIVE second-hand hole... and then looks understandably confused when it's time to salt and pepper. I mean, on base is a weird place to be for the guy, no?
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:51 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Not following the third baseman in on the squeeze, then camping on third on the grounder. What the hell is Lagares doing/being told to do on third?
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:53 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I send Lagares on contact. He'd probably be out there, but he'd force a throw and tag (and look at Asuaje throwing under pressure).
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 03:53 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Well, he can score on that.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:54 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I was JUST about to bitch about how Terryball the baserunning was in this inning, and then... Ass-drubbin', you magnificent bastich.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2018 03:56 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I was on my way here to complain about how it seemed like we were losing by a little more every batter.
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 03:56 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I'm totally fine with him holding in that grounder. The bunt he should have scored. But is that his fault? He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head, doesn't the 3b coach need to yell something to indicate there is nobody covering 3rd so he can trail Villanueva down the line?
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Fman99 Apr 28 2018 03:58 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Nice to see someone get the big hit in one of deGrom's starts.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 03:59 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Only just noticed when SNY popped on the sad-departed-starter cam, but Clayton Richard is kind of a beautiful-looking dude, ain't he? Like, model-pretty.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2018 04:01 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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He looks like an overgrown little leaguer with that hat and No. 3. I'd be shocked if he's not a Met someday as Fred and Jeff love their Wolverines
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:01 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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David Cone.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:06 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Yabbut those eyes and those Reckery features and those EYES, though.
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41Forever Apr 28 2018 04:09 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I like the brown uniforms!
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:11 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
The second Kazhisa in big league history.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:11 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Same.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:12 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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After Ishii?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2018 04:15 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I see a bucktoothed 11 year old. Hey, Go Lobatron
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:15 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Lobes salt-and-peppering like an overeager restaurant server tonight.
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d'Kong76 Apr 28 2018 04:18 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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I like this color scheme too, muy Padre-esque.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:27 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Thank you, San Diego Ballpark Architect.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:39 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
COCAINE IS FOR CLOSERS!
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 04:44 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Harvey being Harvey
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:45 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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Good to see Clint Howard getting work playing a ballplayer.
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 04:45 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Yes! Walk a batter in a 4 run game! Dumbass
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 04:46 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
That ball-four breaking pitch was Rick-Ankiel-in-the-midst-of-his-breakdown bad.
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Nymr83 Apr 28 2018 04:48 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Let him go lose it in Port St Lucie or Vegas then
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:51 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Even the strikes are missing the target by a foot.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2018 04:51 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
Over. Finalmente.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 28 2018 11:19 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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MFS62 Apr 28 2018 11:34 AM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I hoping for a lot of blowout Mets victories so Harvey can work it out (whatever "it" is) and be productive again in some role.
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2018 01:01 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
I tend to think Harvey getting through last night, despite being as awful as he was, may be one of the more important things that happened last night.
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cooby Apr 28 2018 01:25 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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There’s an idea. Switch him to the outfield
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Benjamin Grimm May 10 2018 03:50 PM Re: IGT 4/27: Mets @ Padres, Dutch Boy vs. Richard |
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