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Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2018 08:31 AM

If Nimmo was able to get them Andrew McCutchen, he should be able to get them J.T. Realmuto, right? Realmuto is 27, and under team control through the 2020 season.

MFS62 Apr 13 2018 08:39 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

The guys on WFAN yesterday were saying it would probably take more than just Nimmo. But (of course) they didn't say who else might be included in that deal. Later

Ceetar Apr 13 2018 08:42 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

the thing is, he's hurt.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2018 08:43 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Yes, that's a factor. He's expected to return soon, though.

Centerfield Apr 13 2018 08:50 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

I would guess Dom Smith and Nimmo. Maybe a pitcher too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2018 09:08 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

not trading Zimmo for him. That's insane

Ceetar Apr 13 2018 09:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Realmuto's got a great pop-time, which will attract attention because Plawecki and d'Arnaud don't, but he's perhaps not that good a framer. bunch of his WAR is tied up in defense. He's still a good hitter, he's just not a great hitter. I dunno, I'd be fine with him but I don't think I'd give up Nimmo for him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2018 09:17 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

PJ Conlon and Nido or GTFO

d'Kong76 Apr 13 2018 09:30 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Ceetar wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer. Just to get it out of the way early this year: If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically ends up. I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion.

Ceetar Apr 13 2018 09:32 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

d'Kong76 wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer. Just to get it out of the way early this year: If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically ends up. I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion. and until we get robo-umps, the ability of a catcher to make an umpire do a bad job is still a valid value-add.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2018 09:42 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 13 2018 10:26 AM

He's always griping, unreasonably, about pitch-framing, every single time it comes up here. Like he wants to deny the reality of it because he cant stand that it exists. There's nothing that can be done about it because the ump can't call precise balls and strikes at the edge of the plate. The catcher's mitt blocks the umps vision of the ball as it nears the plate. He'd need x-ray vision to overcome the catcher's ability to pitch-frame to get an undeserved strike call.

Centerfield Apr 13 2018 09:43 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

For the record, I wouldn't give up Nimmo for Realmuto. I think JT is a good, but not great hitter. I think Nimmo can be great. I think an easy fix is Wilson Ramos. The guy can hit, is healthy now, and won't cost much in terms of a return. He makes a lot of money, but that shouldn't be a hurdle for a team like the Mets.

seawolf17 Apr 13 2018 09:49 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer. Just to get it out of the way early this year: If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically ends up. I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion. and until we get robo-umps, the ability of a catcher to make an umpire do a bad job is still a valid value-add. Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly.

d'Kong76 Apr 13 2018 09:50 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

batmagadanleadoff wrote: He's always griping, unreasonably, about pitch-framing, every single time it comes up here. Actually, the last few years I've tried to only bring it up once (maybe twice) a year. Check your d'Kong database, you're slipping! :-)

d'Kong76 Apr 13 2018 09:52 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

seawolf17 wrote: Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly. Not ignoring it, saying it's wrong to call balls and strikes based on where a catcher moves his glove to.

Ceetar Apr 13 2018 09:59 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

d'Kong76 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly. Not ignoring it, saying it's wrong to call balls and strikes based on where a catcher moves his glove to. humans are dumb. This is why we shouldn't trust them to do important things like drive, or call balls and strikes.

Centerfield Apr 13 2018 10:02 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

I come out on the other side. I think framing is a skill and have no problem with one catcher being better at it than another. Certainly at lower levels, where the quality of pitching, catching and umpiring is not as high, framing is a big factor.

d'Kong76 Apr 13 2018 10:10 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

I don't mean to hijack the thread, maybe we can split this part out.

Nymr83 Apr 13 2018 11:01 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: I come out on the other side. I think framing is a skill and have no problem with one catcher being better at it than another. Certainly at lower levels, where the quality of pitching, catching and umpiring is not as high, framing is a big factor. It is certainly a skill and it should certainly be taken advantage of for as long as it is helpful to the team winning. However, the league should take action to make this skill less important by increasing the accuracy of balls and strikes through electronic monitoring of the strike zone, because a more consistently called game is a good thing. being good at framing pitches is pretty much the same thing as being good at "flopping" (overemphasizing contact with your body language to draw a foul call) in the NBA.

Ceetar Apr 13 2018 11:18 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

also I'm not sure someone so quiet would fit in with this team.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2018 12:30 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

The New York Post wrote: A source told The Post’s Mike Puma that the Mets have spoken to the Marlins about catcher J.T. Realmuto. It would take a significant haul from the Mets to land Realmuto from the rebuilding Marlins. The 27-year-old has yet to play this season due to a back contusion, but is expected to return to Miami’s lineup next week.

Edgy MD Apr 13 2018 12:33 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: I would guess Dom Smith and Nimmo. Maybe a pitcher too. Madness. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: PJ Conlon and Nido or GTFO P.J. Carlesimo or GTFO.

smg58 Apr 13 2018 02:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Realmuto is pretty good with the bat and glove, so I wouldn’t sell him short. That being said, Plawecki’s timetable is not that long, Realmuto is not ready right now, and Nimmo is one injury away from being needed. Carlos Ruiz is still on the market. He’s way past his prime, but if you want an experienced major leaguer for basically nothing, he’ll do.

Edgy MD Apr 13 2018 02:51 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Send Nimmo to Miami, and watch him beat us 10-12 times a year.

Ashie62 Apr 13 2018 03:17 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Realmuto is one of the better catchers in baseball. I do not believe Nimmo would get it done.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2018 04:54 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind

Nymr83 Apr 13 2018 06:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind Whats the position have to do with it? If the Yankees call with Gary Sanchez you can sign me up.

Rockin' Doc Apr 13 2018 08:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Nymr83 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind Whats the position have to do with it? If the Yankees call with Gary Sanchez you can sign me up. I like Nimmo, but the Mets really need a catcher right now. If they can land a quality backstop for Nimmo, then I'm on board. That being saind, I don't think there are many options readily available though. So Unless Buster Posey, Gary Sanchez, or Yadier Molina becomes available for Nimmo, I would hold on to Nimmo and try to make due with what the Mets have.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2018 10:15 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

JT R made his season debut for the Marlins Tuesday night: 2-for-4 w/a HR

Centerfield Apr 18 2018 11:33 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Reading through this thread now. I didn't mean to imply I was on board giving up Nimmo. I love the guy. Would not trade him for Realmuto. Especially since the price should be much lower on Wilson Ramos.

seawolf17 Apr 18 2018 11:59 AM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: Especially since the price should be much lower on Wilson Ramos. I would hope so, considering he's way worse.

Centerfield Apr 18 2018 12:05 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

seawolf17 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Especially since the price should be much lower on Wilson Ramos. I would hope so, considering he's way worse. Worse yes. But way worse? Ramos is 3 years older, but still only 30 years old. I hear that both are good defensively, but I don't really know that firsthand. Offensively, Realmuto is better, but is he way better? .753 career OPS (Realmuto) to .739 (Ramos). I guess Ramos's numbers are inflated by that insane walk year he had. But then again, it's his walk year again... Anyway, if the price difference is Nimmo/Smith/Gimenez/Peterson for Realmuto, or "Just pay his salary" for Ramos, I'd rather Ramos.

Centerfield Apr 18 2018 12:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

And yes, I concede, all sorts of yuge assumptions all over my last post.

Ceetar Apr 18 2018 12:25 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

I wouldn't overpay for Realmuto, but basically either would help as long as you avoid '15 Ramos.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2018 12:52 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

The reason why the price would be MUCH higher on Realmuto compared to Ramos is that he's 3-1/2 years younger (just turned 27 vs 31 in August), is far more athletic (faster than many non-catchers), doesn't have Ramos's severe/recent injury history (WR missed Sept + playoffs in '16 plus much of '17 with a knee), and, mainly, is under team control thru 2020 vs just the finish of this year for Ramos. You also tend to worry about Ramos's big body going forward - listed at 6' 1" / 245 and carries the nickname of 'Buffalo'. Don't think I want a rehabbing / aging one of those. The Marlins are going to ask for a significant return for Realmuto, as they should.

seawolf17 Apr 18 2018 12:57 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Centerfield wrote: Anyway, if the price difference is Nimmo/Smith/Gimenez/Peterson for Realmuto, or "Just pay his salary" for Ramos, I'd rather Ramos. This, I think, is definitely a fair point.

Centerfield Apr 18 2018 01:01 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Frayed Knot wrote: The reason why the price would be MUCH higher on Realmuto compared to Ramos is that he's 3-1/2 years younger (just turned 27 vs 31 in August), is far more athletic (faster than many non-catchers), doesn't have Ramos's severe/recent injury history (WR missed Sept + playoffs in '16 plus much of '17 with a knee), and, mainly, is under team control thru 2020 vs just the finish of this year for Ramos. You also tend to worry about Ramos's big body going forward - listed at 6' 1" / 245 and carries the nickname of 'Buffalo'. Don't think I want a rehabbing / aging one of those. The Marlins are going to ask for a significant return for Realmuto, as they should. I think Ramos is a free agent at the end of this year. So you don't worry about the age thing, and it fits our needs better. TdA will be back next year.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2018 12:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

This is our original conversation about Realmuto, from earlier this year. Funny, nobody suggested trading Syndergaard for him.

Centerfield Dec 14 2018 12:46 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

We wouldn't give up Dom Smith and Nimmo. Still wouldn't. Trading Syndergaard is INSANE.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2018 12:48 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

Joel Sherman actually wrote a good article explaining the line of thinking that would make a Realmuto-for-Zimmo trade a good one. Even tho its eye opening I wouldn't do it because Zimmo.

smg58 Dec 14 2018 01:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

It's funny; I looked at the first two items on this page without checking the date and was about to reply "Are you nuts? Nimmo's 2018 was better than Sanchez's 2017!" It's also funny that we're talking about most of the same players. All the same criticisms for Ramos still hold for example, but he can still hit when healthy. Alderson deserves some credit for hanging on to Nimmo when, this time a year ago, a lot of teams called about him. I do think Sanchez highlights the risk with catchers. A few dings and dents, and suddenly they aren't all that. Some absurdly bad luck (a .197 BABIP can't all be attributed to the shift) didn't help his cause, to be fair. But it justifies some degree of caution if a team is trying to extort us for a guy coming off a career-best .825 OPS.