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Michelle Wolf
Centerfield Apr 30 2018 02:09 PM |
Doesn't hold back with a scathing monologue at the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner.
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Ceetar Apr 30 2018 02:32 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
I think she was remarkably restrained.
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Edgy MD Apr 30 2018 02:36 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
It almost feels like a setup. Trump out in Michigan. "The media" gathered back in DC wearing tuxedos and sipping champagne with a comedian ripping everything. Right wing media immediately pounces on everything as an offense to everything America holds dear.
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seawolf17 Apr 30 2018 02:52 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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Which is one of the myriad reasons why we're entirely fucked as a country. The religious right literally elected this douchebag on the platform of "he tells it like it is," and yet they can't handle it when it doesn't support their twisted world view. Look at the Kanye thing; the GOP has spent the last several years telling black athletes and entertainers to "shut up and play," but now suddenly Kanye is the second coming? Fuck that.
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Lefty Specialist Apr 30 2018 02:53 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
Well Trump was out in Michigan for a reason....counter-programming. He had to talk about the Wall in a place that was Hispanic-free (he even checked that it was in his speech). And his rambling was sure to take away from an event he wouldn't dare attend in person ever again.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2018 02:54 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
There's nothing that the emcee could've done that would've been overboard. Pelt her with dogshit. Tar and feather her. Huckabee is Baghdad Bob in a dress. This whole administration should be the one's apologizing. What did they expect with a comedian delivering the speech. Get Dan Rather or Tom Hanks if you want decorum. Any second now, the evangelicals are gonna get offended now over the fetuses. Oh, think of those poor fetuses that had to hear that speech. Never mind that our secretary of state is a count shoe designer who can't qualify for a security clearance and whose idea of designing shoes is to to steal other designers' ideas. If there was any real justice, we'd have another Robespierre-like reign of terror to short circuit all the anarchy and chaos and outright lies that this scumbag crook president is gonna inevitably wreak on Robert Mueller.
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d'Kong76 Apr 30 2018 03:15 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
It's pretty amusing that people think his blowing off the event is praiseworthy. The
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2018 03:32 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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"Do not retreat a single inch."
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... ts-dinner/
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Vic Sage Apr 30 2018 07:30 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
waagh. the comedian was mean to me. waagh.
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Ashie62 Apr 30 2018 09:01 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
Pathetic all the way around.
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41Forever Apr 30 2018 11:09 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
From a communications perspective, this was a misfire by the WHCA, which is supposed to be a bipartisan organization.
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Edgy MD Apr 30 2018 11:17 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
And it was unearned, as he was saying equally offensive crap himself in Michigan, but got a pass because nobody expects any better.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2018 11:44 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
The only problem I see is the pansified media apologizing for this sack of shit of a press secretary. What has the world come to? They're out to destroy the media and the first amendment by crying fake news and campaigning for loose libel laws and to lock up the journalists but the comedians aren't allowed to tell them that the emperor ain't got no clothes. And all in defense of the most ridiculous press secretary ever.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2018 11:56 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
If Wolf's monologue is deemed an unearned victory for this scumbag administration, then this country's lost its mind.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 01 2018 05:06 AM Re: Michelle Wolf |
It may have given us some interesting spectacle, but the White House Correspondents Dinner is the problem, not Michelle Wolf (who, respectfully, FUCKING KILLED). Not only is it neither fish nor fowl... it can't be fish OR fowl. It's too chummy, and it's a big, honking conflict of interest; it's actually satirical, and it's untenable, as far as Washington is concerned.
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seawolf17 May 01 2018 12:29 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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Indeed it has.
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MFS62 May 01 2018 01:36 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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You can't bully these motherfu**ers: https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/you-c ... 1825648283 Later
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Lefty Specialist May 01 2018 01:39 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
The problem with the White House Correspondents Dinner isn't the comedian calling out the too-chummy relationship the press has with people it's supposed to be covering with a critical eye.
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batmagadanleadoff May 01 2018 02:22 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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That's one impressive polemical rant. Excerpt:
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TransMonk May 01 2018 02:30 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
I thought Wolf's set was awesome...and the most honest thing that SHS has been associated with in maybe forever.
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Benjamin Grimm May 01 2018 02:38 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
Making fun of Sanders' looks (and despite Wolf's denials, that's surely what she was doing, especially with the Aunt Lydia joke) is rude, and at first it struck me as going a bit too far, but that was just an initial reaction, before I realized it was a double standard. I know it's wrong to judge women by their looks, but this isn't that. If it's okay to make fun of Mitch McConnell because he looks like a turtle it's wrong to suggest that women in the political area need to be protected from that same kind of jab. (More than one comedian has made the turtle joke about McConnell, and as far as I know, nobody has really been offended except, of course, for turtles, who are justifiably offended by the comparison.)
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TransMonk May 01 2018 02:47 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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That's not how I took it. I saw the Lydia line as a very specific reference to the character and not the physical representation. Especially when she followed it up with the jab at Pence. The only dig at her physical appearance may have been the softball team line...but even that I first took as SHS picking on certain WH press reporters the way captains in high school gym classes do.
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d'Kong76 May 01 2018 02:54 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2018 04:19 AM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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I think it was pretty obvious the jokes were directed at Sanders' comportment in the role, not her looks. She chose a woman from "The Handmaid's Tale"-- not the plain grandma from sitcom A or the dowdy mom from Netflix drama B, but the dystopian drama in which women and the environment and personal liberty are abused/neglected, for God's sake-- to whom she bears no physical resemblance apart from dark hair. If you hear "You were great as the apologist for the fascist government in this fiction about a misogynist dystopia" or "You burn truth... and turn it into cute eye makeup" as references to looks, not conduct... well, you're either looking for a looks-based attack, or you're not so great with joke comprehension.
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Centerfield May 02 2018 01:39 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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I think the softball team line was unquestionably about her looks. She followed with a shirts and skins line that I think made it clear. And sure, the dirtbags in the administration make jokes about women's appearances, but we are supposed to be better than that. And the abortion joke was just in bad taste. I don't think abortion is funny in that or any other setting.
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Ceetar May 02 2018 01:41 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
the abortion joke was a hypocrisy joke.
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A Boy Named Seo May 02 2018 03:17 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
I actually agree with ceets! The abortion joke was certainly uncomfortable, but that's what set up the punchline about mistresses.
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41Forever May 02 2018 04:05 PM Re: Michelle Wolf Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 02 2018 05:07 PM |
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All those points may be true -- but a night of in-your-face, uncomfortable, challenging comedy that is funny only to one side isn't the point of the event. An HBO or Netflix special? All the way. Daily Show or Bill Maher? 100 percent. The Correspondents Dinner is supposed to be a feel-good, bipartisan fundraiser that steps back from the usual roles and celebrates life in Washington, poking a little fun at the people in power. It's not supposed to be a one-sided, or a "we" vs. "them" event. If it's going to be vicious, one-sided attacks, with comedians trying to one-up each other (and gaining some attention for themselves), one side is just not going to participate. And why would it? There is absolutely a place for that brand of comedy. That event isn't it. And that's not a knock on Wolf, who did exactly what she does. It's on the people who hired her who should have known exactly what they were getting, or should have set some parameters.
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batmagadanleadoff May 02 2018 04:23 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
You're just totally oblivious to the extraordinary times we're living in. You're entitled to your political views, as vile as I might think they are, but I don't wanna hear you tell me that Trump's a nice guy, especially when it's based on three minutes of how's the weather talk. Truth is, you wouldn't say a bad thing about Trump if he had you pinned to the ground, straddled you, pulled down his pants and shit all over your face. So I can't even tell if you truly believe in the things you say you believe in or if you defend anything with an R next to it just because of the R.
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batmagadanleadoff May 02 2018 04:30 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
Instead of shitcanniing Michelle Wolf and the WHCD every chance you get, why don't you tell us what you think whenever this scumbag administration cries "fake news" and "let's lock up the journalists"? Your opinion matters because , hey, didn't you used to be a journalist yourself?
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A Boy Named Seo May 02 2018 04:52 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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yah I agree the people who hired her maybe should have watched her comedy before. That in itself is kind of hilarious. But I don't think her set or her comedy was the point of the event, even though it's certainly grabbed 1000% of the attention. It was 20 minutes out of an hours-long fundraiser meant to celebrate and advance journalism and... the first amendment. And can we be real for one second? Sarah Sanders does lie her ass off every day on that podium. Kelly Anne invented something called "alternative facts" for crissakes. And if these jokes felt like vicious attacks, then maybe they cut a little close to the truth.
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Edgy MD May 02 2018 04:56 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
My problem is that it fed his BS narrative.
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Ceetar May 02 2018 05:31 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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His BS narrative is basically "I'm the law, don't question me. What I tell you IS the truth." and the media, particularly the correspondents, fed by the mouthpiece of the propaganda and state message SHS, help spread the damn narrative. I mean, they're basically siding with Trump here. No one that's in the media should ever publish or quote Sanders without heavy editing. Definitely not in headlines or tweets. They are lies, and they should be treated as such. We're only barely getting by because the lies are so outrageous that many see right through them. But that's because they're not lies meant to deceive, they are lies meant to redefine the truth. So when the media just blasts out the propaganda, they might as well be TVs from 1984.
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Edgy MD May 02 2018 05:34 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
I refer to the culture war narrative, that the press is the opposition, part of the cultural elite, that holds you and your values in contempt, and so can't be trusted.
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RealityChuck May 02 2018 06:20 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
I think, objectively, her routine was no better than so-so.
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d'Kong76 May 02 2018 10:17 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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That's vile, mean, inappropriate and unacceptable. In the end, we're all Mets fans here. Please try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum and use less-vulgar imagery in the future. Thank you. Look, I don't really get why everyone thinks this is ok. I don't care if it's Trump, Gahvanka, The Wilpons or Mother Torresa hisself. It has to stop. One poster can't just bend another poster over the desk and do what they please because they reach some boiling point. It's wrong.
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Lefty Specialist May 03 2018 02:04 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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Egg-zackly. You want sunny, light, upbeat Kumbaya comedy, you don't hire Lewis Black. Or Michelle Wolf. They should have seen this coming.
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MFS62 May 03 2018 02:09 PM Re: Michelle Wolf |
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The first one I remember really burning the President was when Don Imus hosted and Bill Clinton was there and heard the Monica jokes. But he was there, and not only took it like a man, but even laughed at some of them. Later
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