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Ashie62 May 03 2018 02:14 AM

From Rotoworld Callaway also said that deGrom will have an MRI on his elbow, and the results of it will be available tomorrow. We should have an idea on just how much time deGrom will miss after we find out the extent of the hyperextension -- or if there's any other damage -- but it's very unlikely that the 29-year-old isn't headed for the disabled list. Oye Ye Olde MRI

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 02:19 AM Re: deGrom get well

Is this the in-mri-thread?

Centerfield May 03 2018 02:34 AM Re: deGrom get well

We’re fucked.

Edgy MD May 03 2018 02:35 AM Re: deGrom get well

I don't know. If we're lucky, maybe Carol will make some more of those muffins.

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 02:36 AM Re: deGrom get well

Kinda feels that way, hopefully it's a little deal and not a big one.

Lefty Specialist May 03 2018 12:13 PM Re: deGrom get well

A year almost to the day that Thor's lat exploded. Elbow injuries to pitchers are not a good thing. There's a kind of Hindenburg-approaching-the-mooring-mast feel about this. Hope this training staff knows how to read MRI's.

Centerfield May 03 2018 01:41 PM Re: deGrom get well

I’m thinking he shouldn’t have cut his hair.

A Boy Named Seo May 03 2018 01:44 PM Re: deGrom get well

Definitely bad BUT hyperextended elbows are not a common baseball injury, are they? Unless he ripped tendons while this happened, I'm hopeful he's back in a few weeks. And I'm not an optimist about anything.

Lefty Specialist May 03 2018 02:14 PM Re: deGrom get well

Travis d'Arnaud had a hyperextended elbow in 2015 and was out for 5 weeks. That doesn't quite compare to a pitcher throwing 96 MPH, but there you go.

Centerfield May 03 2018 02:51 PM Re: deGrom get well

Missing four starts says twitter. MRI clean.

Centerfield May 03 2018 02:54 PM Re: deGrom get well

Um. NVM. Now he might make his next start.

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 02:54 PM Re: deGrom get well

If it really only amounts to 4 starts, I guess it's not the end of the world. Besides, we have Matz and Harvey and... oh, wait...

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 02:55 PM Re: deGrom get well

Centerfield wrote: Um. NVM. Now he might make his next start. Make up your mind!!

Centerfield May 03 2018 02:59 PM Re: deGrom get well

It's not me! Kristie Ackert posted a report saying minimum 4 starts. Now the Mets are holding a press conference saying he will prepare for his next start. Communication!

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2018 03:00 PM Re: deGrom get well

His next start? Wow. Even if he seems ready, I think I'd have him skip at least one start just for the sake of extra caution.

seawolf17 May 03 2018 03:00 PM Re: deGrom get well

Beat writers saying the amputation went well and his new robot arm should have him back on the mound by June 2020 at the latest.

Edgy MD May 03 2018 03:00 PM Re: deGrom get well

deGrom got well?

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 03:11 PM Re: deGrom get well

To our ears from the horses mouth... [tweet:1k1qbykb]https://twitter.com/Mets/status/992057515608367107[/tweet:1k1qbykb]

cooby May 03 2018 03:16 PM Re: deGrom get well

I hope they know what they’re doing

Nymr83 May 03 2018 03:31 PM Re: deGrom get well

They dont know what they are doing, but I hope it works out

Edgy MD May 03 2018 03:41 PM Re: deGrom get well

If it does, the team needs to hyperextend deGrom's contract.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2018 03:43 PM Re: deGrom get well

They have to be aware that if they let Jacob make his next start, and as a result he makes the injury worse and it's his last start of the season, they'll face a shitstorm like few they've ever seen before. Now, I know that these likely aren't the same people who kept putting Ryan Church on plane after plane after he suffered a concussion, but I also can't help but think about that. I'm not convinced that the Mets don't know what they're doing, nor am I confident that they do.

Centerfield May 03 2018 04:37 PM Re: deGrom get well

Benjamin Grimm wrote: They have to be aware that if they let Jacob make his next start, and as a result he makes the injury worse and it's his last start of the season, they'll face a shitstorm like few they've ever seen before. Now, I know that these likely aren't the same people who kept putting Ryan Church on plane after plane after he suffered a concussion, but I also can't help but think about that. I'm not convinced that the Mets don't know what they're doing, nor am I confident that they do. Exactly right. Miss a start. DL him now and get the extra arm in here. This should not even be a consideration.

Edgy MD May 03 2018 04:53 PM Re: deGrom get well

Maybe, but would they be doing that to protect deGrom's elbow, or protect they ass?

Chad Ochoseis May 03 2018 05:03 PM Re: deGrom get well

They're not sure. They can't tell ass from elbow. I may be the first Mets fan in history to say this, but I'm trusting the doctors. If they say he can go Monday, let him go Monday.

Centerfield May 03 2018 05:03 PM Re: deGrom get well

They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure. That next start is against the Reds. Hopefully they can get by without him. The DL is 10 days. Put him on there, protect him against himself, and get a fresh arm for the pen. Remember, Jake is the one that declared himself fit to go back and pitch the 4th inning. Love the guy, but maybe you tell him to cool off for a bit. DeGrom, 29, sustained the injury on a swing-and-miss in the third inning of Wednesday’s 7-0 loss to the Braves. He told Callaway and pitching coach Dave Eiland of the discomfort, but felt he could continue to pitch. He has felt similar pain after previous swings this season, and it hasn’t effected his pitching. This time, he felt pain in the biceps, and was pulled after the fourth inning with his ERA down to 1.87 after four shutout frames. So, he's clearly swinging wrong. And if this happens, you tell the guy to go up and take until the elbow is completely healed.

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 05:07 PM Re: deGrom get well

I'm over here at Camp Missastart, I'll post pics on fb later.

Edgy MD May 03 2018 05:30 PM Re: deGrom get well

Chad Ochoseis wrote: They're not sure. They can't tell ass from elbow. I may be the first Mets fan in history to say this, but I'm trusting the doctors. If they say he can go Monday, let him go Monday. [fimg=187]http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/70861/70861-3Fr.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=187]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HO8GPxnR44I/SoS3vca8yWI/AAAAAAAAAzk/k7MkWtsEv6E/s320/scan0037.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=187]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/512j-EYi5XL.jpg[/fimg]

Vic Sage May 03 2018 05:33 PM Re: deGrom get well

not all doctors are trustworthy:

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2018 05:35 PM Re: deGrom get well

Frayed Knot May 03 2018 09:41 PM Re: deGrom get well

I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do? Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it. If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions. And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'. We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not.

d'Kong76 May 03 2018 11:10 PM Re: deGrom get well

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do? And golf, don't forget golf!

Nymr83 May 04 2018 12:25 AM Re: deGrom get well

not all doctors are trustworthy:

cooby May 04 2018 12:53 AM Re: deGrom get well

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do? Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it. If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions. And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'. We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not. Did not mean to put a negative vibe on this but just thinking of last year and Thor. But that was as much his fault as the doctors’.

Centerfield May 04 2018 12:58 AM Re: deGrom get well

I don't mean to sound like an ass about this, but do you suppose that the medical team just might know a bit more about medicine and physiology than we do? Sure. They might know more, but it doesn't mean they are right. The medical staff cleared Noah to pitch in Washington last year and cleared Cespedes to return when his leg was "healed". Both, in hindsight, were bad decisions. Anyone that knows anything about medicine knows that it's an inexact science. There is a certain amount of guesswork involved. That is why caution and prudence are recommended. Could deGrom make his next start? Maybe. Would it be prudent for him to give himself extra time? Absolutely. And I'm sure the doctors at HSS would agree. Here we're getting GOOD news on deGrom and all we can do seemingly is bitch about it. Not one person is bitching about the good news. If he's medically cleared to throw and his between start program goes well then I'd want to see him out there for next turn, and sitting him out simply because you're afraid of what folks might say if and when things go south is a really stupid way to make decisions. So this is like, completely the opposite of what I said. I said: "They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure." But hey, don't let my actual words get in the way of a good rant. And perhaps it's telling that the Rico/plane thing comes up again because for years, whenever it would surface, I'd ask about whether anyone had info evidence that being on a plane is a bad idea post-concussion and the only answer I ever got was, 'well I have no idea but they shouldn't have done it'. There are plenty of doctors who say that this shouldn't be done. And by your logic, that means it cannot be contested right? There are others who are not sure that this has any effect. Still others feel that flying is ok for some, not for other, but it's impossible to tell who will be affected in what way. In other words, it's an inexact science. When something is unclear, prudence and caution should be exercised. Now, it's easy to criticize now, since we know a lot more about brain injuries now than we knew then. But failing to exercise caution when it comes to medical decisions is foolish. And will ultimately hurt you. We (including me) frequently complain whenever the Mets make decisions based on PR reasons, and yet here we are not only bitching but pre-bitching that they might not. Like I said before, I explicitly state that PR has nothing to do with my thinking. If the right decision also ends up covering your ass, so be it, but make the right decision. If you DL deGrom, you exercise caution and it costs you one start. A start against the worst team in the NL. In the meantime, you get 10 days where you can get either a fresh arm, or an extra hitter of the bench. To me, this is a no-brainer.

Nymr83 May 04 2018 03:58 AM Re: deGrom get well

"They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure." Is there any evidence given his current condition that a skipped start would be beneficial or that he would be less likely to cause further injury 10 days from now instead of 5? the "right thing" is following medical advice. unless there is medical advice not to play he should play.

Centerfield May 04 2018 01:28 PM Re: deGrom get well

Nymr83 wrote: "They should do it because it's the right thing to do. If doing the right thing is considered covering your ass, then sure." Is there any evidence given his current condition that a skipped start would be beneficial or that he would be less likely to cause further injury 10 days from now instead of 5? the "right thing" is following medical advice. unless there is medical advice not to play he should play. You assume that the medical advice is couched in black and white. That the doctors will say he can, or cannot play. Medical advice is seldom given in absolutes. They can diagnose an injury, give an estimate of recovery, but then whether a player is recovered depends on feedback from the player, assessments as to how he "looks", and then you weigh that against the risk of re-injury. If you asked any of those doctors whether deGrom could benefit from missing a start, I would guess not one of them answers with "No, makes no difference. Go ahead and pitch."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 04 2018 03:15 PM Re: deGrom get well

Easy, ya belly achers. I mean, when has rest ever helped with a stress injury?

A Boy Named Seo May 06 2018 03:09 PM Re: deGrom get well

Overly cautious. Not worth the risk. Good things to hear. [tweet:159tpc5t]https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/993137514406924290[/tweet:159tpc5t] [tweet:159tpc5t]https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/993138520314216448[/tweet:159tpc5t]

bmfc1 May 06 2018 03:16 PM Re: deGrom get well

I'm sure that he's just fine and will pitch on schedule next Sunday just as he was just fine and was supposed to pitch on schedule tomorrow.

Ashie62 May 06 2018 04:48 PM Re: deGrom get well

Seeing on twitterverse the Mets might go with a bullpen game tomorrow. Corey Oswalt just started for LV so he's out

dgwphotography May 06 2018 05:29 PM Re: deGrom get well

P.J. Conlon will start Monday, and DeGrom will have an amputation procedure Wednesday, Thursday at the latest

Ashie62 May 06 2018 05:37 PM Re: deGrom get well

Happy to see Conlon up. I like him