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Calling BS.

Mex17 May 11 2018 10:20 AM

https://nypost.com/2018/05/10/the-miser ... -mets-fan/ OK, I know it's easy to get down during a stretch like this, but let's get real here about two things that this guy wrote. . . ". . .later generations of Mets fans have been baptized with agonizing September and October collapses (1987-88, 2006-08). . .generations of injuries to stellar pitching prospects (from the mid-1990s “Generation K” to the current rotation). . ." -Would you call 2006 a "collapse"? They had a good season, made it to the NLCS, and lost a tough series. There is a team every year that advances to the NLCS and loses. 1988 is a different story to me because it was basically still the '86 team that was supposed to be a "dynasty" and, IMO, they went into that series overconfident and paid the price due to their own hubris. -Comparing the current rotation to Generation K is what really got me though. The author is technically correct by stating that there have been injury problems in both cases, but other than that? Generation K was three guys who all of which flamed out from the standpoint of being "aces" (one total flameout, one middle-to-back end of the rotation type for a few years in Tampa and Cincinnati, and one who managed to have a pretty solid career out of the bullpen). The current situation is five guys, two of which are now established at the top of the Mets rotation barring injury, two others who are not yet lost causes, and the notorious fifth who flamed out as a Met (not necessarily yet as a major league pitcher. . .time will tell) but before the flameout did start the All-Star game (at CitiField), almost had a postseason start for the ages, and actually did take the league and the city by storm with two basically full, really solid, seasons. I just don't think that it is a fair comparison between the two groups on the merits.

d'Kong76 May 11 2018 11:24 AM Re: Calling BS.

The worst part of being a Mets fan is sharing a city with the Yankees, who breeze through one decade after another with few of these heartbreaks and humiliations. No other pro sports franchise is faced daily with such an unflattering local contrast. Oh boy, here we gooooo....

MFS62 May 11 2018 11:26 AM Re: Calling BS.

Its the Post. What do you expect? That rag attracts writers who seem to be gleeful writing about Mets misfortunes, and bleacher creature types who think an article like that is accurate.(If they can get someone to read it to them) The author isn't even a sportswriter by profession. Dan McLaughlin is an attorney practicing securities and commercial litigation in New York City, I'm guessing that if he's a YLDB, he litigates against the little guy in favor of large corporations. And he probably was abused as a child. It says a lot about the Post sports editorial staff to print it. Later

Edgy MD May 11 2018 12:21 PM Re: Calling BS.

A collapse is when you seemingly have the thing wrapped up and all but mathematically secured, but fall apart utterly. 1988 wasn't a collapse, 2006 wasn't a collapse. They were failures. The 2004 Yankees. THAT was an October collapse.

Ceetar May 11 2018 01:29 PM Re: Calling BS.

Dan McLaughlin wrote that? he's garbage, don't read that. no one speaks for my enjoyment or misery as a fan, that's personal.

Frayed Knot May 11 2018 07:06 PM Re: Calling BS.

As someone here pointed out before me here, these types of articles aren't written from a Mets fan's point of view but rather by what Yanqui fans believe is a Met fan's point of view.

Mex17 May 11 2018 09:42 PM Re: Calling BS.

What I was hoping to get responses on is whether or not the current group of "stud" pitchers from the past few years (the "five aces") ought to already be lumped along with "Generation K" as a collective bust. I say no, for the reasons that I explained above.

RealityChuck May 11 2018 11:46 PM Re: Calling BS.

Nowhere near a bust. Degrom -- star Syndergaard -- star Wheeler -- jury still out, but probably a successful career. Matz -- jury still out. Depends on if he can stay healthy. Harvey -- Big success at first, though looking like a bust right now. So four out of five ain't bad.

Ceetar May 12 2018 03:33 AM Re: Calling BS.

RealityChuck wrote: Nowhere near a bust. Degrom -- star Syndergaard -- star Wheeler -- jury still out, but probably a successful career. Matz -- jury still out. Depends on if he can stay healthy. Harvey -- Big success at first, though looking like a bust right now. So four out of five ain't bad. If you got what you got out of Harvey from every top pitching prospect, you're ahead of the game. that's a win. Matt's 2013-2015 was worth more fWAR than Generation K combined in their entire extended careers.

Nymr83 May 12 2018 03:37 AM Re: Calling BS.

Syndergaard, DeGrom, and Harvey have each already had more success than Pulsipher, Wilson, and Isringhausen's Met careers combined. The Dark Knight of Cincinatti is scoreless through 4 against the Dodgers tonight. 1 hit. 0 walks. Many groaning Mets fans.