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Journalism 2018

41Forever May 09 2018 09:43 PM

We used to joke that there were photographers we suspected didn't leave their car to snap a photo, but at least they cropped the photo to remove the window pane. These days, not so much. It's also common these days for reporters to shoot their own photos. But I can't believe the standards have dropped this far. [url]https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/05/08/residents-outraged-neighbors-sign-habit/589190002/

cooby May 09 2018 10:41 PM Re: Journalism 2018

His yard. His right. Looks like a John the Baptist in the making. I’d rather have that than Satan shit

cooby May 09 2018 10:44 PM Re: Journalism 2018

But really parked cars being blight is odd

Lefty Specialist May 09 2018 11:33 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Firstly, newspaper staffing has been cut to the bone. That was probably a drive-by shot on their way to something else. Secondly, the guy has a right to put what he wants on his lawn as long as he’s not inciting violence. It’s still legal to be an asshole.

d'Kong76 May 10 2018 01:26 AM Re: Journalism 2018

I need new glasses, I read: What will keep you out of heaven? Gin.

Edgy MD May 10 2018 02:26 AM Re: Journalism 2018

I had an op-ed published by the great Baltimore Sun. I was surprised how quickly they accepted it. I was going to be on the same op-ed page that the great Jack Germond made his own! I was nervous, and I wrote to the submission editor. "Please let me look at it one more time to fact-check it, unless your staff is going to do that." And she wrote back, "Staff! HA!"

41Forever May 10 2018 12:14 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Looks like they swapped out the photo this morning. I've been in that situation, where you have a bunch of stories due after staff cutbacks and you're shooting photos with the phone. One of my previous employers decimated the photo staff and gave us all iPhones -- and required that every story have a photo to go with it for the website. (We later had to have a photo gallery with most stories, since every new photo counted as a separate click, and we all had click goals we needed to meet.) The problem with letting something like that first photo get posted is that the reader wonders if the reporter is cutting corners with the photo, is he also cutting corners with the reporting, too, and is the story missing important info. These days, when we have a scrum or press conference, half the reporters are holding up their photos to capture video as well. So you have to be a reporter, shoot photos and shoot videos. I don't think the homeowner is an asshole. I think his intentions are good -- but his methods of evangelism horribly ineffective. I don't think the confrontational approach works. Show kindness and love instead. Like with the reporter, if the focus is on how you said it and not what you've said, you're point isn't getting across as well as it could.

Ceetar May 10 2018 12:50 PM Re: Journalism 2018

The first photo is better though. And not just from a composition standpoint. "I have referred houses for sale in our neighborhood to acquaintances," she said. "But once they drive through the neighborhood, they say, 'no thanks' because of the house with the signs." Maybe it's not "traditional" but a picture taken from the car fits right in with the story and expands the focus to everyone that uses the street from the handful of neighbors that can see it from their houses.

Edgy MD May 10 2018 01:12 PM Re: Journalism 2018

41Forever wrote: I don't think the homeowner is an asshole. You might feel different if you're the pope. I realize this thread is about the quality of the story, rather than the substance of it, but I think, once you're using your faith as a fuck-you to the neighbors, you may be an asshole.

Nymr83 May 10 2018 01:53 PM Re: Journalism 2018

I think it is in really poor taste but he is within his rights. if i was a neighbor, i'd wish he would just rotate his annoying signs instead of of showing them all at once - its like when someone has a Hillary sign you think "oh they support Hillary" but when they have one for 10 different politicians you think "wow that lawn is fuckin ugly"

batmagadanleadoff May 10 2018 02:18 PM Re: Journalism 2018

If he ever pulls out his stupid bible to justify denying his employee her birth control -- legal medicine that her insurer guaranteed it would provide her -- on grounds that "but the bible sez this", then he's a fucking asshole and we're all savage primitives for letting it happen, Clarence Thomas. And this is America. Have pity on those unfortunate who live in those places where the only available book is the Koran and women have to go around covered up in bedsheets.

Edgy MD May 10 2018 02:39 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Nymr83 wrote: I think it is in really poor taste but he is within his rights. I guess so. Lots of assholes are operating within their rights.

d'Kong76 May 10 2018 02:54 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Fanaticism is such a turn off; unless it's over the Mets (and on a good day, The Ramones)... [youtube:1tuque92]psHo1Txc7l8[/youtube:1tuque92]

41Forever May 10 2018 05:11 PM Re: Journalism 2018

d'Kong76 wrote: Fanaticism is such a turn off; unless it's over the Mets (and on a good day, The Ramones)... [youtube]psHo1Txc7l8[/youtube] They're making a new Pet Sematary. But without the Ramones, why bother?

Lefty Specialist May 10 2018 05:54 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Edgy MD wrote: 41Forever wrote: I don't think the homeowner is an asshole. You might feel different if you're the pope. Or if you lived across the street.

Edgy MD May 10 2018 06:07 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Or, wow, if you were the pope who lived across the street.

seawolf17 May 10 2018 06:12 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Edgy MD wrote: Or, wow, if you were the pope who lived across the street.

dgwphotography May 10 2018 06:23 PM Re: Journalism 2018

41Forever - one of your former employers has now combined with the papers in Danbury and New Haven, and the few staff photographers left have to try and cover all areas involved.

41Forever May 10 2018 07:24 PM Re: Journalism 2018

dgwphotography wrote: 41Forever - one of your former employers has now combined with the papers in Danbury and New Haven, and the few staff photographers left have to try and cover all areas involved. Heartbreaking. So many missed opportunities to tell stories through great photos.

d'Kong76 May 10 2018 07:52 PM Re: Journalism 2018

41Forever wrote: They're making a new Pet Sematary. But without the Ramones, why bother? Well, the only thing they really had to do with the original was that song being used while the closing credits rolled. I think Steven King is/was a pretty big Ramones fan. (I forget, my wife was really into SK years and years ago)

Edgy MD May 10 2018 08:03 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Yeah, the book is filled with Ramoney references.

41Forever Aug 16 2018 12:22 PM Re: Journalism 2018

I thought these were interesting reads. [url]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2018/08/16/media-must-look-itself-restore-trust/979467002/ [url]https://www.bridgemi.com/editorial/editorial-enemy-people-whatever-we-have-work-do

Edgy MD Aug 16 2018 12:29 PM Re: Journalism 2018

A lot of normalizing of the president. But he's not.

41Forever Aug 16 2018 12:32 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Edgy MD wrote: A lot of normalizing of the president. But he's not. Which I think is all the more reason the media has to be above reproach.

Lefty Specialist Aug 16 2018 03:28 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Presidents are supposed to be above reproach too. I’d say the media, for all their flaws, is holding up their side of the bargain better than he is.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 16 2018 04:32 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Yeah, it's the media's fault, sez the Trump apologist. Count Ivanka has a security clearance and John Brennan doesn't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 16 2018 08:00 PM Re: Journalism 2018

41Forever wrote: Edgy MD wrote: A lot of normalizing of the president. But he's not. Which I think is all the more reason the media has to be above reproach. Trump shits on the first amendment because he hates that the failing New York Times is trying to tell me the truth about him and his enablers, not because some conservative newspaper columnist can point out where the media is not above "reproach." Geez, is that really the issue? It's the most un-American sentiment I can think of, except perhaps, enabling a foreign government to choose a president, a topic we wouldn't know dick about where it not for journalists.

Edgy MD Aug 17 2018 07:59 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Sure, the media should be above reproach. And they likely never will be — among other reasons, because the media now includes almost everybody. Me, typing right now, I'm the media. And I'm hardly above reproach. If there was to come upon the land a morally perfect journalism class, somebody would arrive the next day and create no-account tabloid sensationalist bullshit yellow journalism. That's the marketplace. The idea that there should be any sort of moral equivalency between the journalists the president has demonized with extreme bigotry and the president himself cannot be justified as anything other than an attempt to run interference for his protection. The guy is BFFs with the National Enquirer publisher for goodness sake, and he approvingly cited their malicious lies as credible responsible reporting during the election.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 17 2018 08:15 PM Re: Journalism 2018

Trump indicates that the National Enquirer and InfoWars are reliable but the New York Times and the Washington Post are not. If he believes that, he's stupid, and if he doesn't, then he's lying. And of course, I won't rule out the likely possibility that he's both stupid and lying, because it's abundantly clear that he's a stupid liar.