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ByeBye PASPA!

Nymr83 May 14 2018 03:43 PM

A great ruling. As i'm moving to New Jersey soon I don't really care what NY does, but glad NJ will be raising tax revenue from all th sports gambling that everyone does already. Win.

Ceetar May 14 2018 03:51 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Nymr83 wrote: A great ruling. As i'm moving to New Jersey soon I don't really care what NY does, but glad NJ will be raising tax revenue from all th sports gambling that everyone does already. Win. I know the answer to this, but with all the sports gambling and weed tax money you think my property taxes could come down to at least 4 figures? please? Does this 'save' Atlantic City or further it's demise by opening up the gambling elsewhere?

Nymr83 May 14 2018 04:01 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Property taxes won't come down until NJ condenses all its unnecessary municipalities, the redundancy in local officials for places 5 minutes away from each other is astounding. In the short term, this should be a boon for the Atlantic City casinos because NJ is way out in front of other states in both law and existing casino infrastructure. long term? who knows

Lefty Specialist May 14 2018 07:03 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Home rule in NJ is truly the real bugaboo. It's ridiculous to have 565 school districts, 565 fire and police departments, etc.etc.etc. And yes, that has a real effect on property taxes. But it's so entrenched I don't know if they'll ever going to be able to change it.

Ceetar May 14 2018 07:13 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Lefty Specialist wrote: Home rule in NJ is truly the real bugaboo. It's ridiculous to have 565 school districts, 565 fire and police departments, etc.etc.etc. And yes, that has a real effect on property taxes. But it's so entrenched I don't know if they'll ever going to be able to change it. And people flip out if you like, suggest we don't need as many police.

41Forever May 14 2018 07:47 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Ceetar wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Home rule in NJ is truly the real bugaboo. It's ridiculous to have 565 school districts, 565 fire and police departments, etc.etc.etc. And yes, that has a real effect on property taxes. But it's so entrenched I don't know if they'll ever going to be able to change it. And people flip out if you like, suggest we don't need as many police. People like to be safe. The challenge with that many police departments, school districts and so on isn’t necessarily the number of policemen, firefighters, teachers, public works employers. It’s the back shop services. It’s a fair question as to whether you need 500 payroll departments, billing departments, HR departments, transportation supervisors, food service directors and others with similar roles. We commissioned a study in my journalism days looking at how much our state’s school districts would save if they kept everything the same as far as a parent or community member would notice, but combine backshop services at a county level. It’s been a while since I looked at the stories, but I believe it was in the savings were in the hundreds of millions.

Ceetar May 14 2018 08:20 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

41Forever wrote: Ceetar wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Home rule in NJ is truly the real bugaboo. It's ridiculous to have 565 school districts, 565 fire and police departments, etc.etc.etc. And yes, that has a real effect on property taxes. But it's so entrenched I don't know if they'll ever going to be able to change it. And people flip out if you like, suggest we don't need as many police. People like to be safe. The challenge with that many police departments, school districts and so on isn’t necessarily the number of policemen, firefighters, teachers, public works employers. It’s the back shop services. It’s a fair question as to whether you need 500 payroll departments, billing departments, HR departments, transportation supervisors, food service directors and others with similar roles. We commissioned a study in my journalism days looking at how much our state’s school districts would save if they kept everything the same as far as a parent or community member would notice, but combine backshop services at a county level. It’s been a while since I looked at the stories, but I believe it was in the savings were in the hundreds of millions. Black people too though. and think of all the money taxpayers will save not having to pay for police brutality settlements.

Nymr83 May 14 2018 09:03 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

41F hit the nail on the head - its not the people providing actual services to citizens that need combining and trimming, its the fat behind them

41Forever May 14 2018 09:16 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Nymr83 wrote: 41F hit the nail on the head - its not the people providing actual services to citizens that need combining and trimming, its the fat behind them Found the stories. The state has 550 public districts — and about 550 superintendents, business managers and transportation directors. Trim that management layer, erase district boundaries and recast administration around county lines, and state taxpayers save $612 million a year after three years — all without closing a school or losing one high school mascot. That was in 2010 dollars, and just with school districts, not municipalities.

Frayed Knot May 14 2018 10:52 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

And that's all assuming that there's not additional bloat within districts and departments. It's a problem that's not limited to New Jersey even if that state's particular set-up makes it worse than the usual. I know there were (and, I'm sure, still are) some absurdly top-heavy school districts on Long Island that had the typical mgm't-to-employee ratios you'd find in the private sector all out of whack, and that's before you even got to the outright corruption and boondoggle spending problems that several were caught at -- we need a meeting to discuss an outline for next year ... everyone to Cancun!! -- even though no one, to my recollection, ever got punished for it. But, left to their own devices, bureaucracies will bloat because that's what bureaucracies do. All of them. I remember reading an article a few years back on how the percentage of generals in the army is so much higher than it's ever been and far beyond what is necessary. As for the gambling topic itself: something had to give sooner or later. This whole idea that the feds could say gambling is legal in one locale while maintaining that it remains too harmful a vice to be allowed anywhere else, or that it's unable to be run by states even as it was approved at the federal level feds but only for some ethnicities over others, or for horses and dogs and jai alai but not for other sports, simply wasn't going to hold up forever. The other crock is that governments actually LOVE gambling, they just only love it when they have, through lotteries or through wildly corrupt 'racing authorities', a monopoly on it.

Ashie62 May 14 2018 11:45 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

I am thrilled for NJ and the public They talk about gambling effecting "the integrity of the game" What a crock of horseshit Pro sports lives by the sword/money and may perish by the sword/money.. Looking to make a Mets world series wager at the local Quik Chek

Nymr83 May 14 2018 11:53 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

Legalized gambling is GOOD for the integrity of the game because the gambling is happening anyway. The illegal bookie cant afford to give a hundred grand wager to someone who is cheating if he lost most of his business to legal channels, and the legal channels will have better monitoring in place of the people placing the big bets.

Edgy MD May 15 2018 12:25 AM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

I don't see it that way. Way too much of the interest in baseball is built around fantasy leagues as it is, which has led to an extended fan base that is large and informed, but increasingly emotionally disengaged. Pretty much like horseracing was 40 years ago — drawing record crowds but from increasingly marginal parts of society. Eventually, they found they didn't need to go to the track to feed their habits, and ultimately, they didn't even need real races. Attendance declined almost 50 percent in just two decades—and since then, the racing industry appears to have stopped releasing annual attendance figures.

seawolf17 May 15 2018 12:50 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

41Forever wrote: We commissioned a study in my journalism days looking at how much our state’s school districts would save if they kept everything the same as far as a parent or community member would notice, but combine backshop services at a county level. It’s been a while since I looked at the stories, but I believe it was in the savings were in the hundreds of millions. SUNY has put a good amount of thought and effort around that the past few years, too, to much hand-wringing from my friends and colleagues around the system.

41Forever May 15 2018 02:05 PM Re: ByeBye PASPA!

seawolf17 wrote: 41Forever wrote: We commissioned a study in my journalism days looking at how much our state’s school districts would save if they kept everything the same as far as a parent or community member would notice, but combine backshop services at a county level. It’s been a while since I looked at the stories, but I believe it was in the savings were in the hundreds of millions. SUNY has put a good amount of thought and effort around that the past few years, too, to much hand-wringing from my friends and colleagues around the system. When we did that project, one of the stories in the series was looking at the state's public universities, which here operate independently. I spoke to one of the leaders in the SUNY system about how things work there. It was sort of a half step compared to what some other states have. Was a good discussion.