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Johnny Dickshot Mar 28 2006 02:10 PM

A place to confine worries: The offense in general and the general approach to it: Seems to me I've read too many WWSB and/or Omar quotes which basically say "We know our offense is going to be good..." usually whilst justifying carrying Hernandez' bat, and I don't necessary believe it. While we have a chance to pretty good, I think this team will prolly hit into a lot of double plays (Nady, Delgado, LoDuca) and probably, make too many outs (Reyes, Hernandez). Beltran has to improve; Delgado/Floyd have to stay healthy, and I wonder about how dangerous the bench will really be w/o a legit LH slugger beyond whatever Valentin has left.

Centerfield Mar 28 2006 02:22 PM

The starting pitching worries the crap out of me. Pedro's toe...Glavine's age, and then it gets worse from there. Trachsel, not long ago, was slotted in as a #5 starter...Zambrano is inconsistent, and our 5th starter remains a mystery. I'm concerned a bit about the offense too, but not as much as I am with the starting pitching. Our 2 through 5 is pretty good, but our leadoff guy doesn't get on base, and it there's a chance we'll get very little production from the bottom of our lineup. Even last year, our 6-7 slots had names like Piazza, Cameron...I'd take either of those guys over what we have there now.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 28 2006 02:28 PM

Beltran is one of my bigger worries. If his 2006 isn't better than his 2005, we'll be looking at another five years of a vastly overpaid mediocre player. I also worry that we may get fewer than 60 combined starts from Pedro and Glavine; the closer we get to 70 from them the better. If Nady doesn't have that breakout season we're hoping for, and Floyd reverts to 2004, and Beltran continues 2005, the outfield's not all that potent. I still sense Julio being a disaster. Hopefully, if he is, the Mets will stop using him, rather than keep running him out there in the hope that he'll eventually justify dealing Anna. Trachsel's a minor concern. I think he'll get it together, but if he doesn't Heilman is in the wings. (Assuming, of course, that Heilman doesn't have to step in for any of the other four starters.) I fear the July 31 deadline. I'll be quite relieved if Lastings Milledge is still Mets property on August 1. If the Mets are even within ten games of a playoff berth, Omar may start mortgaging the future.

OlerudOwned Mar 28 2006 02:38 PM

They stick with Nady for too long and he doesn't improve Heilman drudges through a season in the pen, is gone at the end of the year, and becomes a very succesful starter somewhere else. Zambrano gets too many chances.

d'Kong76 Mar 28 2006 02:46 PM

I have no worries on March 28th - I'm too freakin' excited that the season is going to start next Monday and I get a day off and get to go Shea. I guess if I had to worry about something it would be Glavine, Trax, and ob- viously Pedro contributing on a high level all year, and still beng able to do so if it's necessary, late in the season and/or post season.

Edgy MD Mar 28 2006 02:49 PM

Hi, I'm Carlos Delgado and I'm 34. I worry that the TV station will be filled with dumb stuff, and the substance of Mets brand will degrade as much off the field as it has degraded on. New stadium (probably corporately named), new batting helmets --- lots of potential for dumbness. And well, yeah, it sounds like I want to live in my conservative little bubble, but I fear much conservative dumb corporate structuring: "We're rich, we can afford to make decisions based on proven models."

Centerfield Mar 28 2006 02:53 PM

Wait a second, those batting helmets are for the regular season? I thought they were just for spring training.* *I vaguely remember saying something in an IGT that I liked the batting helmets. That was during a day game and I couldn't see that they were two-tone and had that ridiculous design. (I thought the whole helmet was metallic blue). Later, when I caught a night-game and got a good look at the weird design, I nearly gagged. I also thought the helmets were to be used for spring training only.

Edgy MD Mar 28 2006 03:02 PM

I don't necessarily think they're going to get a regular season appearance. But I worry.

abogdan Mar 28 2006 03:05 PM

Oh, the starting pitching. #1 has a big toe that hurts every time he pitches. #2 is 40 years old. #3 is coming off a back injury and has been awful this spring. #4 is Victor Zambrano. #5, whoever that is, has never been a succesful major league starter. This isn't that far away from being a complete disaster.

TheOldMole Mar 28 2006 03:35 PM

It takes a worried man to sing a worried song...

TransMonk Mar 28 2006 04:03 PM

Always starting pitching. I agree with giving Bannister the #5 spot, but only because Heilman is much more valuable in the pen. This rotation is not a playoff rotation, so in order for the Mets to win the division and compete for the championship, Omar is going to have to make a move or two to strengthen the starting 5. The only spot in the lineup that concerns me is the bottom. I can imagine a lot of 1-2-3 innings with Nady - Hernandez - Pitcher. But I don't share those concerns about 1-6 in the order. Willie is going to have to prove he can solve a regular lineup where he is getting the best out of all of his players. The musical lineup card is not going to get it done this year.

Rotblatt Mar 28 2006 08:11 PM

Pitching in general. Like Keith, I think our pen goes from good in Wagner & Heilman to average in Sanchez, to a bunch of crap that throw hard. As for the rotation, it's Petey and everybody else. I expect Glavine to be a bit better than average, and Trachsel & Zambrano to be average. I'm not sure about Bannister, but if we get average production out of him too, I'll be happy. I just don't think we have much upside in our rotation. I feel like they're all known quantities with the exception of Bannister, whom I'm not terribly high on. I worry about Willie making stupid choices.

Bret Sabermetric Mar 29 2006 01:34 AM

Rotblatt wrote: I worry about Willie making stupid choices. No worries, mate. It's a lock. That's like worrying that Dustin Hoffman's character in RAIN MAN might start behaving all weird and unsocialized soon. What would be scary is if Willie all of a sudden starts figuring out how to manage MLB games. Can you see it? Day one of the season and all of a sudden he's a whiz at the double-switch, always has a pitcher warmed up when he needs one, saves his lefty PH specialist for the precise right spot, etc. Where would THAT comes from? I'd be worried about starting pitching myself. If Glavine crashes, not out of the question for a 40 year old who hasn't pitched consistently well for the length of his contract, this isn't much of a staff.

MFS62 Mar 29 2006 06:03 AM

Steve Traschell’s back is not fully healthy. Beltran can’t show us why he should be wealthy Reyes has problems with his young hamstrings These are a few of my worrisome things Hernandez swings a bat like a wet noodle David Wright is caught having sex with a poodle Delgado doesn’t stand when somebody sings These are a few of my worrisome things The bullpen can’t hold down the other teams’ bashers We’ll miss Anna Benson’s made up eyelashes Wagner’s great fastball has lost all its zing These are a few of my worrisome things Willie can’t think Of line up things And that makes me sad I simply remember my worrisome things And then I just get so mad.. Pedro’s big toe problems, the fans say they knew it We’ll regret trading Jae Seo, the fans yell “Omar, you blew it!â€

Edgy MD Mar 29 2006 06:24 AM

The poor Cubbie fans have to contend with opening the season with Prior and Wood on the DL.

Johnny Dickshot Mar 29 2006 06:33 AM

Some scansion issues in that third verse, but overall, excellent job 62.

MFS62 Mar 29 2006 06:56 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Some scansion issues in that third verse, but overall, excellent job 62. Thanks. The toughest part was coming up with appropriate words that rhyme with "noodles". Later

sharpie Mar 29 2006 06:59 AM

Good work, MS62. Glad to see you have no worries about the catching.

Centerfield Mar 29 2006 07:59 AM

Fantastic 62.

Elster88 Mar 29 2006 08:13 AM

abogdan wrote: Oh, the starting pitching. #1 has a big toe that hurts every time he pitches. #2 is 40 years old. #3 is coming off a back injury and has been awful this spring. #4 is Victor Zambrano. #5, whoever that is, has never been a succesful major league starter. This isn't that far away from being a complete disaster. I'm officially terrified.

Johnny Dickshot Mar 29 2006 08:27 AM

I actually think our pitching's gonna be OK, or at least, average. And I also think it can get better easier than could a struggling O. Offense is what worries me. Offense.

Edgy MD Mar 29 2006 08:34 AM

I think, at worst, we throw four or five starts to a pitcher that doesn't belong in the bigs --- near-or sub-replacement level. Maybe Lima will be the name on those lineup cards. As we learned last year, we can lose a lot of at-bats at second base to replacement-level performance. With all the redundancy, somebody there is going to do adequately; it's just a queston of how many at-bats are garnered by those who may not. I suppose it's also possible that Paul LoDuca falls off a table, but Castro should provide enough coverage to catch him.

Elster88 Mar 29 2006 08:39 AM

I am not confident in Castro's ability to take on a starting role.

Bret Sabermetric Mar 29 2006 08:57 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I actually think our pitching's gonna be OK, or at least, average. And I also think it can get better easier than could a struggling O. Offense is what worries me. Offense. Can I get some action here? I say the Mets will score and surrender above league average in 2006. Do you want to take "They'll score and surrender below league average"?

MFS62 Mar 29 2006 09:03 AM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Can I get some action here? I say the Mets will score and surrender above league average in 2006. Do you want to take "They'll score and surrender below league average"? Contact Pete Ropse and find out the odds and the over/under. Then get back to us. What about score more and give up fewer? Later

Johnny Dickshot Mar 29 2006 09:12 AM

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Johnny Dickshot wrote: I actually think our pitching's gonna be OK, or at least, average. And I also think it can get better easier than could a struggling O. Offense is what worries me. Offense. Can I get some action here? I say the Mets will score and surrender above league average in 2006. Do you want to take "They'll score and surrender below league average"? Sure. Winner gets a beer on the loser.

Willets Point Mar 29 2006 09:13 AM

That could be a sticky situation. Make sure you don't wear anything that stains easily if you're the loser.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2006 09:15 AM

Of course, there may not be a winner/loser if, as MS62 suggests, one stat is above and the other below. How about Mike Piazza? Will he get 80 RBI this season?

Bret Sabermetric Mar 29 2006 09:41 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Of course, there may not be a winner/loser if, as MS62 suggests, one stat is above and the other below. How about Mike Piazza? Will he get 80 RBI this season? The Yiddish word for someone like you is "plutgemacher," Yancy. Don't start maching plutge, please. Oh, good. First bet of the season. File this in the Predictions Archive, Beer Division.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2006 09:46 AM

I'm familiar with a few Yiddish terms, but not that one. (My dad used to have a lot of Jewish customers at his shop in Queens, and he brought home a bunch of phrases.) Bret, it looks like you stumped Google: Your search - plutgemacher - did not match any documents. Suggestions: Make sure all words are spelled correctly. Try different keywords. Try more general keywords.

Bret Sabermetric Mar 29 2006 09:48 AM

Probably a transliteration issue. Far as I know, it just means "troublemaker." I used to get told not to be a plutgemacher all the time, for some reason.

d'Kong76 Mar 29 2006 09:55 AM

Childhood Yiddish slang would make for a good rainy day thread. I was raised Catholic, but routinely heard a dozen words at home that I still use today. I think there's a house minimum of a six-pack of Rheingold on all CPF bets.

MFS62 Mar 29 2006 10:34 AM

My boss once asked me if I spoke any foreign languages. I told him that since I was raised in New York, I probably knew some words in over 20 different langiuages (OK, hyperbole). The bad news was, the words that I know would probably get me tossed out of those countries. Later

Vic Sage Mar 29 2006 01:29 PM

a pitching rotation on the precipice of disaster; an offense with holes at 2b and RF, health questions at 1b and LF, and a mystery man in cf; a bullpen with an aging, big $ closer with a sore finger, and a setup guy who was a failed closer from Baltimore, who'll get way too many chances to blow way too many games; a small ball manager with no balls at all; a gm with an itchy trigger finger who hasn't demonstrated any particular ability to assess young talent, and a rich owner in the biggest media market in the world who requires strict adherence to a budget (eg, see Cameron and Benson trades), thus hamstringing efforts to fix the team in midstream. BUT DON'T WORRY... BE HAPPY! :) BIESBOL IZ BAKK!! ... almost...

Vic Sage Mar 29 2006 01:32 PM

oh, and Yancy... shut up.

TheOldMole Mar 29 2006 01:42 PM

MF -- just read "worrisome things." Great.

MFS62 Mar 29 2006 02:11 PM

Thanks, you were my inspiration. Later

Frayed Knot Mar 29 2006 02:18 PM

coupla quibbles: and a setup guy who was a failed closer from Baltimore, who'll get way too many chances to blow way too many games; Even if Julio suxx I don't think he's anything more than the 4th option at this point - or 3rd set-up man if you will. Sanchez and Heilman are more likely to be the immediate lead-ins to Wagner so it's not like a call to JJ is going to result in constant 8th inning meltdowns w/o other options. Either way, it beats the hell out of having Mike DeJean as the #1 option going into last year. a rich owner in the biggest media market in the world who requires strict adherence to a budget (eg, see Cameron and Benson trades), thus hamstringing efforts to fix the team in midstream. I don't think the owners are married to a specific budget number that they won't cross; it's more like they want to shed what is considered excess at the beginning specifically so they can add later on. Of course that's not always a good thing.

Edgy MD Mar 29 2006 02:21 PM

a gm with an itchy trigger finger who hasn't demonstrated any particular ability to assess young talent Is this referring to the draft, trades, promotions, or what?

Willets Point May 01 2006 04:44 PM

April is a fluke

smg58 May 02 2006 07:54 AM

On one hand, Nady probably isn't this good, and there's only one direction for Sanchez' ERA to go. On the other hand, Floyd will play better. And the Mets might not have to be THIS good to win the NL East this year. The Nationals and the Marlins are as bad as they look, and the Phillies continue to be overrated. The Braves will make a run at some point, but we've already built up a good lead. My big worry is an injury to the wrong person (i.e. Pedro), but otherwise we have nothing to complain about right now.

Rotblatt May 02 2006 08:15 AM

Like WP, I worry that our hot April is the start of a cruel joke and that the punchline won't come until mid-September.

Edgy MD Jun 11 2006 10:12 AM

Mole sounds worried, so he may need this thread.

Elster88 Jun 11 2006 10:21 AM

More like he wants to be worried because he's used to it. Maybe this thread will scare him and help him feel more natural.

SI Metman Jun 11 2006 10:52 AM

Hakuna Matata oops, wrong thread.

TransMonk Jun 28 2006 08:21 PM

Just need to get this off my chest...no panic, but worried. 1. We are now 5-8 vs. other division/wildcard leaders...and we don't even have to play the best 2 teams in Chicago and Detroit. Winning 100 games won't matter if we can't hang with the big boys. 2. Pedro has looked very beatable over the past few starts. How hurt is he? The SP as is will not be able to pick up the slack. 3. Milledge. His gaffes were "cute" when we were winning...but not when we lose. He has shown me no signs of being anything more than average in his month of regular playing time in the bigs...he has a lot of potential, but not necessarily "untouchable" to me anymore. OK...I feel better now.

d'Kong76 Jun 28 2006 08:25 PM

I was about to post: This team is due for a collapse, but saw this was bumped ... ... the starting pitching sucks, we ain't got a second baseman, freakin' thumb boy is waving at trophies and posting about post season lineups, papers and tv pundits are declaring the Mets are tops, Floyd has been hurt forever but it took forever to DL him -- woohoo -- he's going to Coney Island tomorrow, Milledge - eh, I'll stop at that. The division sucks, the Mets have been playing over their heads and the media bought into it and I wouldn't be shocked if they lose tomorrow and and get embarrased by the Yanks over the weekend - who barely have anyone left in the starting lineup. Yuck.

SteveJRogers Jun 28 2006 08:42 PM

KC wrote: I was about to post: This team is due for a collapse, but saw this was bumped ... ... the starting pitching sucks, we ain't got a second baseman, freakin' thumb boy is waving at trophies and posting about post season lineups, papers and tv pundits are declaring the Mets are tops, Floyd has been hurt forever but it took forever to DL him -- woohoo -- he's going to Coney Island tomorrow, Milledge - eh, I'll stop at that. The division sucks, the Mets have been playing over their heads and the media bought into it and I wouldn't be shocked if they lose tomorrow and and get embarrased by the Yanks over the weekend - who barely have anyone left in the starting lineup. Yuck. Freaking thumb boy? You're saying a 29 year old guy pointing at a 20 year old trophy is bringing us bad karma? True if any or more of the other NL Least teams were in the 5-9 game out range and over .500 I'd be deeply concerned, but I'd chalk this up to a mid-season speed bump rather than the Mets falling back to earth (see 05 Orioles and Nationals) Yeah thats probably because of the lack of depth in our division. I trust Omar and staff will pull the trigger on moves, hell I even SAID as much in that postseason roster thread. There should be a professional 2Bman and some SP depth, and it better come A freaking SAP. But we have enough of a lead where we can start experimenting with Pelfrey, ect Now, the Milledge touchable thing is a very tricky topic. You'll hear from fans both on the Internet Met Community, and the callers on radio shows act like complete hypocrites citing Jose Reyes (as someone often rumored and often used as a IMC and caller "chip" in a hypothetical trade to get a big name star to Shea) and Scott Kazmir (as the ultimate "one that got away, despite being used as a chip in the aforementioned hypotheical trades) as to why we shouldn't trade Milledge, even if it nets a Zito or a Willis. Is this a dire situation? No. Talk to me after the deadline about dire straights if the roster is relativly the same, save for a prospect or two filling holes in the rotation, then I'll press the panic button and start threads declaring whoever is in 2nd as the 2006 NL East Champions!

Zvon Jun 28 2006 08:43 PM

What? Us worry? Im not gonna sweat a mid season lull as long as they pick it up down the stretch. And I have no doubt that this team will. Afew timely moves by Omar to shore up some deficiencies would be nice. Mets are lookin at Julio Lugo for 2nd base, but I personally feel pitching is more important. Valentin has filled in second very well, thank you.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 28 2006 08:43 PM

worries here

Willets Point Jun 28 2006 08:54 PM

Glavine is pitching tomorrow. Despite being Mr. Schaefer Six here, he's been lucky lately winning while not pitching all to well. It could all come crashing down tomorrow and the Mets will be swept at Fenway.

mlbaseballtalk Jun 28 2006 08:58 PM

Willets Point wrote: Glavine is pitching tomorrow. Despite being Mr. Schaefer Six here, he's been lucky lately. It could all come crashing down tomorrow. True. Right now I'm still not worried, even if we do drop all three this weekend. Its still the Red Sox and Yankees. One of those teams is still making the postseason and quite possibly the World Series itself. Probably won't get the Wild Card (then again, look what happened to the O's and Nats last year because they fell apart with teams just waiting to swoop in and claim the throne) I'd be more concerned dropping games next week as that would tie into dropping 2 out of 3 to the Orioles (Benson or no Benson we should not be doing that) so the Pirates and Fish at home SHOULD be just what the doctor ordered before the All Star Break

Elster88 Jun 29 2006 06:47 AM

I'm worried.

smg58 Jun 29 2006 07:42 AM

I'm worried that whoever wins in the NL will get swept again in the Series. The AL is smacking down the NL across the board, and it's certainly not just the Mets. I do think the Mets at least need another pitcher for when they get to the playoffs -- anybody worried about the playoffs not happening should look at how the rest of the division has been doing -- but Valentin has earned at least another month at second. I still think patience with Milledge will be heavily rewarded, but he goes down when Floyd is ready, which will hopefully be this weekend. As for which pitcher to look at, I don't know right now. I'm not sure why Barry Zito's name keeps popping up in rumors when the A's are in first place. He's not going anywhere.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2006 07:46 AM

I worry, and I worry that I will constantly worry, that the last good start from Martinez or Glavine will be the last good start from Martinez or Glavine. They'll have to hit their way out of this.

metirish Jun 29 2006 07:54 AM

In Omar I trust, getting smacked around by the AL might be a blessing in that Omar goes out and makes a trade for another bat and a starting pitcher, Soriano and Zito would fit the bill thank you.....this is the year to go and win it all....go Omar.

d'Kong76 Jun 29 2006 07:54 AM

SR: >>>You're saying a 29 year old guy pointing at a 20 year old trophy is bringing us bad karma?<<< No, I'm saying that posting post season rosters in mid-June while pointing at the trophy is annoying. And next time you want to talk about me, PM me and not one of the other admins. 29 year olds don't go whining to Uncle Edgy.

Willets Point Jun 29 2006 08:00 AM

metirish wrote: In Omar I trust, getting smacked around by the AL might be a blessing in that Omar goes out and makes a trade for another bat and a starting pitcher, Soriano and Zito would fit the bill thank you.....this is the year to go and win it all....go Omar. All this losing is wonderful?

soupcan Jun 29 2006 08:00 AM

Don't start calling the suicide hotline just yet. Its simply two bad losses, that's all. Remember when Wagner blew the Yankee game? Remember how horrible you felt? Coming into Boston that game and those feelings weren't even on your radar were they? Think about it - these losses to Boston were b-a-d, bad but if we played tighter defense in both games and Wright got one well-placed hit they would not have been blowouts and we very well could've taken one of them. If we had done that and tonight was the rubbah game you wouldn't be all doom and gloom now would ya? What if Floyd was in left instead of Milledge? Reyes didn't do anything. Two hits from him in this series and that could have also made the difference. Don't let the final score fool you, these games very easily could've been more competitive. We all know that what we've seen in Boston was not the same Mets team we've been watching this year. Hand it to the Sox also - they are white-freakin'-hot right now and have been almost unbeatable at Fenway this year anyway. We took 2 of 3 from the Yanks and 2 of 3 from Toronto. We lost 2 of 3 at St. Louis but that was when our rotation was worse than it is now with Lima and Gonzalez. Even so in that series a healthy Pujols was held hitless. You're never as good as look when you are winning and you are never as bad as you look when you are losing. In short - Chill-ax.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2006 08:07 AM

I'm not worrying about anything right now. I'm confident that the Mets will get to the playoffs. I'm not that confident that the Mets will go deep into the playoffs, but that's a worry for October. If they're on one of their hot streaks as they enter the playoffs, they'll find the magic to get to the World Series. And if they're on a cold spell, they'll make an early exit, something the Mets have never done in the postseason. But like I said, that's a worry for October. If anything's ailing Pedro right now, I'd give him a good seven-day (or more) rest over the All-Star break. I don't have blind trust in Omar. He's still the guy who traded Benson for Julio a few days after trading Seo. If he gets tradelust, he's as likely to make a bad one as a good one.

Elster88 Jun 29 2006 08:13 AM

This thread gives me agita.

TheOldMole Jun 29 2006 08:15 AM

TransMonk Jun 29 2006 08:21 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I'm confident that the Mets will get to the playoffs. I'm not that confident that the Mets will go deep into the playoffs, but that's a worry for October. If you have a 12 game lead in the division in June but do not feel you can go deep in the playoffs then that possibility needs to be addressed now. It would be different if we didn't break away until August 15th, but now is the time to try and shore up any weaknesses. Not many teams have this much of an advantage so early that they know barring major injury or an historic collapse they have great odds to make the postseason.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2006 08:24 AM

I agree. Now (or soon) is the time for the Mets to address it. I just don't feel it's the time for me to worry about it.

TransMonk Jun 29 2006 08:25 AM

Point made.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2006 08:25 AM

Good point, Monk. Don't think I didn't also notice your controversial usage of an in "an historic."

dgwphotography Jun 29 2006 08:30 AM

"It's a dog eat dog world, and the Mets are wearing Milk-Bone underwear"

TransMonk Jun 29 2006 08:37 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Good point, Monk. Don't think I didn't also notice your controversial usage of an in "an historic." You're right, before a pronounced "h" I should have used the article "a". Thanks for the reminder.

Hillbilly Jun 29 2006 08:37 AM

If they show up to play tonight, then I won't worry. The subways series will be telling too.

soupcan Jun 29 2006 08:41 AM

TransMonk wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Good point, Monk. Don't think I didn't also notice your controversial usage of an in "an historic." You're right, before a pronounced "h" I should have used the article "a". Thanks for the reminder. You guys are so fucking queer sometimes.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2006 08:43 AM

You're right, before a pronounced "h" I should have used the article "a". Thanks for the reminder. No, stick to your controversial gay guns.

Elster88 Jun 29 2006 08:45 AM

You guys are killing me.

ABG Jun 29 2006 09:00 AM

I'm worried. I was worried when we were winning 9 out of 10 on the road. Maybe it's because that's how I've been conditioned in my lifetime of Mets fandom, but I feel like its more likely because we're way too heavily reliant on two older pitchers on the downside of their careers. Really, I think they have to address this in a significant way. I don't know if that can be done internally with Pelfrey, but if not I'd like to see them make a substantial move for a Willis--even if that means giving up Milledge. Getting another top of the rotation guy is about all that will calm my nerves.

soupcan Jun 29 2006 09:03 AM

I didn't necessarily mean 'gay' when I wrote 'queer' btw. I thought about writing 'fucking gay' then decided that 'queer', which still lends itself to a homosexual interpretation but in my opinion is less definitive than 'gay', better expressed my feeling.

soupcan Jun 29 2006 09:05 AM

ABG wrote: I'd like to see them make a substantial move for a Willis--even if that means giving up Milledge. I don't have a problem giving up Milledge for Willis. I do wonder what more it would take in addition to Lastings to get Dontrelle.

old original jb Jun 29 2006 09:08 AM I'm worried too, and that's reassuring. Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2006 09:15 AM

Of course I'm worried. I'm a Mets fan. I have to be either dissapointed or worried. All this triumphalism and talk of an inevitable Mets jugernaut was making me feel very uneasy anyway. Now I can once again view the Mets as a fragile Rube Goldberg type jalopy held together by bailing wire, paste, and weird toe-protecting shoes from Nike. Sure the'yre ahead in the NL east by a lot, but the starting pitching is suspect, the closer has been Looperlike, the set up guy has mysterious twinges, Floyd is in limbo, and his vaunted rookie replacement and Mets #1 trade bait is every day --often in astonishingly original ways--proving himself to be some kind of Bogus Yutz ®. You see, even with an 11 game lead, possibly half the NL All-Star starting squad, and the best record in the NL, the Mets can make their ultimate triumph (IF it occurs) look like a heroic stand against the odds. I feel, well, normal again. (edited to try to superscript my trademark)

TransMonk Jun 29 2006 09:10 AM Re: I'm worried too, and that's reassuring.

old original jb wrote: ...the Mets can make their ultimate triumph (IF it occurs) look like a heroic stand against the odds. See...JB got it right.

TheOldMole Jun 29 2006 09:10 AM

I think "an historic" may be correct.

Edgy MD Jun 29 2006 09:26 AM

See, controversisal.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2006 09:35 AM

It may be correct, but if it is it's probably a legacy of a pronounciation that's gone out of vogue. This is a grammatical rule that probably should be updated, but Don Fehr and the player's union would never go for it.

GYC Jun 29 2006 09:50 AM

http://www.dadeweb.com/pages/newman/index_historic.htm Some guy e-mailed Merriam Webster and asked. Thank you for your letter. Although the h in "historic" is indeed pronounced, either "a" or "an" can be used as the article before it. The practice of using "an" before such words is a carryover from linguistic conventions of long ago, when "historic" and a number of other words were actually pronounced with a silent h (particularly in England), much like "honor" and "hour" are pronounced today. As English evolved, the pronunciation of the h in these words became more common, but the shift to the proper article was slow to take place with it. A lot of h words, particularly those with an unstressed or weakly stressed first syllable ("hysterical," "heroic"), continued to use "an" as an indefinite article, especially in spoken English, when the words are often run together. You might occasionally see such a construction used in roadsigns reading, "You Are Now Entering an Historic District." The practice of using "an" with words beginning with a pronounced h still exists to this day, though it is less common in written English. We hope this is helpful. Sincerely, Neil S. Serven Merriam-Webster Editorial Department

metirish Jun 29 2006 09:53 AM

GYC can you ask Neil S. Serven if he's worried about the Mets....

MFS62 Jun 29 2006 09:55 AM

My current concern is that the team still seems reliant on the home run to score. I don't see good situational hitting skills throughout the lineup, or the ability to "build runs". In absence of the long ball, it seems like most of the big scoring innings have been the result of walks and errors rather than stringing together a series of hits. Just my impression, though. Later

Edgy MD Jun 29 2006 09:57 AM

particularly those with an unstressed or weakly stressed first syllable That's not usuually the distinguisher, it's more typically words with slender vowels --- a short e or i or y, which those examples have. We go back to M*A*S*H* here. Hawkey once tried to phone a supply order, disguising himself as Charles, and embellsihed Winchester's upper-crust Boston Brahmin accent by including "an harmonica." This, of course was a word with a broad vowel, which caused BJ's face to grow puzzled, leading Hawkeye to re-iterate, "Yes, I said 'an harmonica'."

metirish Jun 29 2006 10:00 AM

I don't think the Mets are at all reliant on the long ball, on the last road trip IIRC they were being lauded becuase they didn't just bombard teams with home runs, they scored in many different ways....these past two games just sucked, Soler you never know what you're going to get and Pedro was returning to Fenway and like others before him was way too amped up or whatever....Glavine needs to settle things down.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2006 10:12 AM

He also needs 5.09 Schaefer points to capture the Pitcher of the Month award for June. Pressure is really on Tom Glavine tonight.

soupcan Jun 29 2006 10:34 AM

metirish wrote: I don't think the Mets are at all reliant on the long ball, on the last road trip IIRC they were being lauded becuase they didn't just bombard teams with home runs, they scored in many different ways... 6 of the last 7 runs the Mets 'ave scored 'ave been solo 'omeruns. The one that was not was a basesloaded walk.

Hillbilly Jun 29 2006 10:56 AM

I say an hypothesis. But I don't think I've ever published it. My English wife has a freind named eather ayman.

Elster88 Jun 29 2006 12:00 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: He also needs 5.09 Schaefer points to capture the Pitcher of the Month award for June. Pressure is really on Tom Glavine tonight. 6 innings of shut-out ball ought to do it then.

Mr. Zero Jun 29 2006 12:45 PM

Worried that our shortstop's cold streaks will be as cold as his hot streaks are hot.

Vic Sage Jun 29 2006 01:30 PM

I'm worried enough that we're throwing a LHed pitcher, who hasn't been too great lately, in Fenway against a Red(hot) Sox lineup that I decided to bench Glavine on one of my fantasy teams. I'm thinking "sweep". And I'm still thinking what i thought before the season started... If Trachsel is your #3, you need an upgrade in your rotation. There was no way Glavine (or Pedro, for that matter) were going to continue pitching as well as they did in the first 1/3 of the season. They've both come back to earth, and the situation remains... we need another top-level SPer to be serious contenders this season.

Nymr83 Jun 29 2006 01:43 PM

We're already "serious contenders." We might need another starter to get deep into the playoffs though. I still like Soler even after the poor outing tuesday and would start him in game 3 of any playoff series right now.... so yeah we probably want some help.

Gwreck Jun 29 2006 02:40 PM

Nymr83 wrote: I still like Soler even after the poor outing tuesday and would start him in game 3 of any playoff series right now.... so yeah we probably want some help. Soler over El Duque in a playoff series game 3? Strange. I do have playoff worries, but right now I'm more worried that we're going to go into a tailspin, get swept, and get embarassed against the Yankees. It'd take a long time to erase that if it should happen. This series is suggesting to me that the Mets are not quite as good as I'd though (ie. maybe the 2nd best team in baseball). Right now they are looking like a solid 4th -- behind Detroit, Boston, and Chicago.

The Big O Jun 30 2006 01:24 AM

MFS62 wrote: My current concern is that the team still seems reliant on the home run to score. I don't see good situational hitting skills throughout the lineup, or the ability to "build runs". In absence of the long ball, it seems like most of the big scoring innings have been the result of walks and errors rather than stringing together a series of hits. Just my impression, though. I really thought a good portion of our offense in Streak Part Deux was fraught with errors (and walks) by the opposing team that led directly to runs. Maybe I should try to back that up, but it was my impression as well. Edgefest wrote: Don't think I didn't also notice your controversial usage of an in "an historic." RBIs.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 30 2006 04:55 AM

Nymr83 wrote: We're already "serious contenders." We might need another starter to get deep into the playoffs though. I still like Soler even after the poor outing tuesday and would start him in game 3 of any playoff series right now.... so yeah we probably want some help. Playoffs?!?

HahnSolo Jun 30 2006 06:27 AM

Worries? Yes. Milledge, El Duque, what's up with Lo Duca. Worried? Not really. Losing streaks and slumps happen. The Tigers recently lost five of seven to the Sox and Yanks. They're looking pretty good right now. The Cardinals just lost eight in a row, and they'll still win their division in a walk. The Mets will be fine. Omar will make some adjustments here and there, but overall I still think they're the best team in the NL.

dgwphotography Jun 30 2006 07:16 AM

This is the same as the Mets getting swept in Houston in 1986...

Willets Point Jun 30 2006 07:19 AM

This is only first 3-game losing streak of the season. I worry that it will get longer, but feel confident it won't get too bad.

TheOldMole Jun 30 2006 07:50 AM

soupcan Jun 30 2006 09:13 AM

Also got swept in Philly in '86.

Willets Point Jun 30 2006 09:16 AM

Red Sox fans are boasting about the inferiority of the National League, but I recall they clobbered the Marlins in 2003 and Florida went on to win the World Series and Red Sox didn't even make it. My point of course is that in-season matchups aren't very predictive of what would happen in a post-season matchup. At least on a small scale.

soupcan Jun 30 2006 09:21 AM

They have the right to brag, what are they - 15-1 against the NL this year?

Elster88 Jun 30 2006 09:23 AM

Willets Point wrote: Red Sox fans are boasting about the inferiority of the National League, but I recall they clobbered the Marlins in 2003 and Florida went on to win the World Series and Red Sox didn't even make it. My point of course is that in-season matchups aren't very predictive of what would happen in a post-season matchup. At least on a small scale. Eh, let them talk trash (for now). They've earned it. And it's hard to argue with the Interleague record this year.

HahnSolo Jun 30 2006 10:05 AM

This is the same as the Mets getting swept in Houston in 1986... I thought they lost 3 out of 4 that series. Didn't the Reds sweep the Mets at Shea that year? On edit: yes, on July 17-20, the Mets beat Houston in game one of a four game set, then lost the next three. Earlier in July, the Reds took a three game set at Shea. The Mets also lost four in a row at Shea to the Cardinals, but it was the middle four games of a rain-out produced six game series.

Mr. Zero Jun 30 2006 10:32 AM

My feeling is that National teams are at a huge disadvantage when playing in AL parks since they do not have a gargantuan DHs on their rosters and basically have to improvise with pinch hitters and regulars who are now forced to adapt to the DH lifestyle. It's unfair I tell ya! Though I do not have any statistics to back up this theory and it doesn't explain the total dominance by the AL this year. I'm also more than a little scared about tonight.

MFS62 Jun 30 2006 10:38 AM

Mr. Zero wrote: My feeling is that National teams are at a huge disadvantage when playing in AL parks since they do not have a gargantuan DHs on their rosters and basically have to improvise with pinch hitters and regulars who are now forced to adapt to the DH lifestyle. It's unfair I tell ya! Though I do not have any statistics to back up this theory and it doesn't explain the total dominance by the AL this year. Good oint. Does anyone have any numbers that break down the IL records by AL and NL home ballparks? Later

ABG Jun 30 2006 10:56 AM

Iubitul wrote: This is the same as the Mets getting swept in Houston in 1986... No it isn't. The Red Sox are measurably (by record) and immeasurably (by what we saw on the field) better than the Mets. The Astros were neither.

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2006 11:53 AM

The NL came into this year with an overall edge since interleague began. The AL caught up a bit last year which, when added to the huge edge they're headed for this year, might be enough to wipe out the lead the senior circuit built up since 1997. What I don't have is the exact "score" (it's pretty close) or the home/road breakdown - but when the AL comes out on the short end, as they have for I believe 6 of the 9 years, they always make a point of claiming it's a bigger disadvantage for them in NL parks then the other way around since, by losing the DH, they're out a guy who's a regular part of their lineup. Home teams in MLB usually win about 55% of the time and I'd be surprised if the IL games vary a whole lot from that despite the forced lineup alterations. These things tend to be cyclical and I don't think there's any other reason for it but that - but I think the AL's just been better for the last two seasons and this year in particular shows a bigger margin than I can remember between the two leagues.

Elster88 Jun 30 2006 12:05 PM

Either way, get rid of the DH.

Willets Point Jul 13 2006 11:31 AM

Are we still worried?

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 11:34 AM

As noted in another thread, I worry that David Wright can't be all that.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 11:40 AM

And a bag of chips!

MFS62 Jul 13 2006 11:40 AM

Scoring myself on my originalresponse to this thread (pade 1), ot looks like we didn't have to worry about Diaz in right, Jose's hamstrings and Anderson Hernandez' bat. And it isn't Pedro's arm, its his hip. Anyone else want to score their predictions? Later

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 11:44 AM

Beltran is one of my bigger worries. If his 2006 isn't better than his 2005, we'll be looking at another five years of a vastly overpaid mediocre player. No problem here! I also worry that we may get fewer than 60 combined starts from Pedro and Glavine; the closer we get to 70 from them the better. This one's still looking iffy. If Nady doesn't have that breakout season we're hoping for, and Floyd reverts to 2004, and Beltran continues 2005, the outfield's not all that potent. Nady's been pretty good. Floyd's been bad, but Beltran's been fantastic. The outfield could be stronger, but it hasn't been the weak spot that I feared. I still sense Julio being a disaster. Hopefully, if he is, the Mets will stop using him, rather than keep running him out there in the hope that he'll eventually justify dealing Anna. Julio's gone; he won't hurt us any more. Trachsel's a minor concern. I think he'll get it together, but if he doesn't Heilman is in the wings. (Assuming, of course, that Heilman doesn't have to step in for any of the other four starters.) Trachsel's been better than Heilman. He's the guy I should have been worrying about. I fear the July 31 deadline. I'll be quite relieved if Lastings Milledge is still Mets property on August 1. If the Mets are even within ten games of a playoff berth, Omar may start mortgaging the future. The Mets are in far better shape than I could have imagined. They're not going to make a desperate deal to get themselves back into the pennant race; they're solidly in. They may make a deal to help them get deeper into the playoffs, but that's a different kettle of fish. At this point, I think I'd be okay with a Milledge for Dontrelle deal, if such a thing were possible.

Willets Point Jul 13 2006 11:46 AM

My only early season worry was that April was a fluke but June was even better than April and the other months haven't been too shabby so that worry has been discounted. More recent worries that with Glavine pitching the third game of the Red Sox series the Mets faced their first sweep of the season (that was correct although if Glavine got some run support it may have ended differently).

Vic Sage Jul 13 2006 11:53 AM

my original list of worries: a pitching rotation on the precipice of disaster; While Glavine pitched better than i expected, he's come back to Earth. Pedro started strong, too, but injuries have slowed him, as expected. I am entirely unhappy about a 3-4-5 of Trax, El Duque and a rookie to be named later (Bannister, Maine,Soler and Pelfrey, so far). So the rotation remains my biggest worry. an offense with holes at 2b and RF, health questions at 1b and LF, and a mystery man in cf; After Hernandez and Matsui bombed, Valentin has unexpectedly filled the the hole at 2b (for now). Nady has done pretty well, and Chavez has filled in nicely. The mystery man in CF has returned to form. The health question in LF turned out to be an appropriate concern, and, while Delgado has stayed relatively healthy, his slump has been a long one. a bullpen with an aging, big $ closer with a sore finger, and a setup guy who was a failed closer from Baltimore, who'll get way too many chances to blow way too many games; Wagner has NOT been lights out, but certainly better than we had, and it turns out it was Sanchez, not Julio given the setup job, and he's excelled. Julio was subsequently turned into El Duque, and has taken over as the closer for AZ. a small ball manager with no balls at all; despite his canonization, i'm still not a WWSB fan. a gm with an itchy trigger finger who hasn't demonstrated any particular ability to assess young talent, and I'll reserve judgement till i see what he does at the deadline to fix the rotation. a rich owner in the biggest media market in the world who requires strict adherence to a budget (eg, see Cameron and Benson trades), thus hamstringing efforts to fix the team in midstream. ditto.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 11:59 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 13 2006 12:02 PM

Hi, I'm Carlos Delgado and I'm 34. I worry that the TV station will be filled with dumb stuff, and the substance of Mets brand will degrade as much off the field as it has degraded on. New stadium (probably corporately named), new batting helmets --- lots of potential for dumbness. And well, yeah, it sounds like I want to live in my conservative littel bubble, but I fear much conservative dumb corporate structuring: "We're rich, we can afford to make decisions based on proven models."" Carlos was looking 24 for the first two months and he's looking 44 for the last one. That's up in the air but he seems likely to remain a solid asset through this year at least. TV station filled with dumb stuff: check. But less consequetial as the team has been solid programming. Plus they put G-FaFiF on. Bonus New stadium plans have been introduced. Most objecitions are minor, but lack of a signature idea outside of the Ebbets façade is disappointing. I was right about the helmets carrying over into the season. Conservative and progressive corporate marketing dumbness has downgraded the brand --- the helmets, the (ugh!) theme song, "Professor Reyes" on the Diamondvision, contiuming to play the same songs at Shea that they play everywhere else --- but not nearly as much as the on-field play has upgraded it.

Willets Point Jul 13 2006 12:01 PM

Ev'ry-bo-dy clap you hands!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 12:02 PM

Great! Thanks a lot! Now I can't stop clapping my hands. (I had to type this with my nose and my feet.)

seawolf17 Jul 13 2006 12:10 PM

Having both of you as Doc Gooden made it look like you were answering yourself, which freaked me out.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 12:14 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Having both of you as Doc Gooden made it look like you were answering yourself, which freaked me out. I'm the Gooden that's sitting on top of the big lumpy orange guy.

Willets Point Jul 13 2006 12:44 PM

I'm getting closer to Seaverdom. Of course then we'll both be Seaver.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 12:55 PM

The Seaverdome, what a simultaneously great and terrible idea.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 12:56 PM

And we'll both be Seaver about three times longer than we were both Gooden and Koosman. And after that we'll both be Joan Payson together until the end of time.

metirish Jul 13 2006 12:57 PM

Looking back through the thread I had no worries mate, obviously I knew the Mets would be great this season.

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2006 12:58 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: And we'll both be Seaver about three times longer than we were both Gooden and Koosman. And after that we'll both be Joan Payson together until the end of time. I'll bet there is a fella with a baseball for a head a long way after Mrs. Payson

Willets Point Jul 13 2006 01:34 PM

I'm going to be Mr. Met instead of Mrs. Payson. Well, I guess I have little say in it. I could be Mr. Turd if Edgy deems it so.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 01:36 PM

Eleven thousand posts and any reasonably tasteful non-player designation is available to you, Mettle included.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 01:39 PM

I guess I should start thinking of who I'll be. Would M. Donald Grant be tasteful?

MFS62 Jul 13 2006 01:52 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Would M. Donald Grant be tasteful? Why don't you put that to a vote? EDIT: If you've been around long enough to have that many posts, why not Casey Stengel? Later

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 02:01 PM

Actually, I think I've decided who I'll be, but I'll keep it a secret for now.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 02:11 PM

Waytobe.

ScarletKnight41 Jul 13 2006 02:47 PM

Kase should have dibs on Casey Stengel,

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 02:56 PM

Has anyone claimed Lorn Brown?

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 02:57 PM

The list of 11K posters includes cooby and myself, so no.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2006 02:57 PM

You can have Lorn Brown if you want him.

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 03:30 PM

The Mets are fifth in the National League in starter ERA. Here's one to give you pause... the Rockeis are third.

Elster88 Jul 13 2006 07:42 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Eleven thousand posts and any reasonably tasteful non-player designation is available to you, Mettle included. Only non-players?

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 07:46 PM

Players are all spoken for on the way there.

Elster88 Jul 13 2006 07:48 PM

Oh. That's too bad. I thought reaching 11,000 posts doesn't mean you can be anyone you want. Would someone who wanted to stay as Seaver be allowed to stay as Seaver?

Edgy MD Jul 13 2006 07:57 PM

Well, it would detract from the uniqueness of your ultimate designation, no?

Elster88 Jul 13 2006 07:58 PM

I just figured my permanent designation would be an easy selection, given my handle.

Elster88 Jul 17 2006 06:58 AM

Cliff Floyd now has a a higher batting average than Carlos Delgado.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 17 2006 07:10 AM

Elster88 wrote: Cliff Floyd now has a a higher batting average than Carlos Delgado. worrisome.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 17 2006 07:23 AM

If Delgado has to have a lengthy slump, now's as good a time as any. But he'd better snap out of it.

Willets Point Aug 23 2006 11:23 AM

I'm worried by September and the Mets history of flopping in that month, however irrational this worry may be.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 23 2006 11:29 AM

They can have a bad September if they want. As long as they get it back in gear for October. (I don't see them having a September so bad that it will cost them the postseason.)

metirish Aug 23 2006 11:41 AM

They finished strong last September IIRC,this team play's hard,credit Willie.

MFS62 Aug 23 2006 12:07 PM

I'm worried that the lineup is too left-handed, and vulnerable to lefty pitching, especially while young David is having his difficulties.. IMO, tonight will be a test against a lefty starter who has not been having a good year. Later

metirish Sep 19 2006 08:21 PM

I'm very worried that Pedro has only pitched 3 innings since August 15th., and his reaction after getting pulled his last start(nearly crying on the bench) has me worried.

MFS62 Sep 20 2006 07:20 AM

Check two posts up. Looks like I was worrying about the right thing. Later

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2006 07:28 AM

Maybe. We won't know for sure for another couple of weeks.

soupcan Sep 20 2006 07:31 AM

Worried that I will have to wait in a longer than usual line when I get up to get my hot dog during Game 4 of the World Series and miss Wagner blowing smoke by Derek Jeter to finish off a 4 game sweep of the Yankees. Really worried about that.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2006 07:32 AM

Smuggle in food and wear a diaper so you never have to leave your seat.

soupcan Sep 20 2006 07:34 AM

Genius!

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2006 07:00 AM

Wright looks like he's played 250 games and is tired, Beltran is hobbled and the Mets are covering it up, Pedro's crying, Lo Duca needs a hospital stay, Reyes hasn't stolen a base it seems since god knows when, Orlando H is ar- guably our best pitcher (that should get some of you going), Delgado is sput- tering, Green can't keep his hat on ... I'm feeling very under-confident.

Frayed Knot Sep 23 2006 08:00 AM

I was going to mention that Reyes has been thrown out on something like 5 of his last 8 steal attempts. Not that that's a worry by itself, but it does point out the downside of the SB and that fans shouldn't be looking at Reyes's SB totals as the biggest weapon in his game. As long as he's hitting and getting on base I wouldn't care if he doesn't attempt a steal the entire post-season. On the other hand, my brother just e-mailed me saying: "I'm not gonna panic, but the Mets look like shit! And have for about 2 or 3 weeks now." ... although, despite his claims, he does tend to over-react at times.

cooby Sep 23 2006 08:20 PM

Up until today, the Mets have been stinking up the joint. What's been missing?

Edgy MD Sep 23 2006 08:58 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 24 2006 12:15 PM

In a word: fear. On August 5th, the Mets wrapped up a 4-3 victory over the Phillies with a game-saving diving stop by David Wright. As Wright put the finishing touches on the game, his agents were putting the finishing touches on a contract extension guaranteeing Wright $55,000,000 over the next six years. Through that day, David Wright was batting .308, while slugging .545 and reaching base at a .383 clip. Since then, his batting average has actually gone up, but he's reached at a .376 clip and is slugging .500. And that bothers me, until I realize that to compain that a guy has only been slugging .500 for the last six weeks is pretty miserly. On the other hand, those numbers would have come out worse hadn't Wright had a homer and a cheap triple today. Stupid Wright.

Elster88 Sep 24 2006 11:44 AM

I'm extremely concerned about Beltran.

Rockin' Doc Sep 24 2006 06:15 PM

The health and post-season readiness of both Beltran and Martinez concerns me. Another concern is the problems the Mets are having hitting against left handed pitching.

TransMonk Sep 24 2006 06:51 PM

11-12 in September. Anytime Willie wants to start putting in the A lineup on a regular basis so that they have some sort of roll going into the postseason would be none too soon. The fact that the Phillies, Dodgers and Padres are playing meaningful games down the stretch means they are going to have a mental advantage going into that first series.

SteveJRogers Sep 24 2006 07:02 PM

I forget who it was, but I did hear an ESPN talking head say this last week, that what you said was the reason we've seen the Wild Card team do well in postseason play as opposed to division winners whom clinched weeks before the season ended... Ohhhhh boy...

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2006 07:03 PM

They may also be fatigued. I'm hoping the Mets will be charged up to play a meaningful game after all this running out of the clock. It's wishful thinking, I know. But it's what I'm hoping.

cooby Sep 25 2006 08:12 PM

Sigh.

SteveJRogers Sep 25 2006 09:06 PM

I'm starting to realize why Coobster and others like the tight, down to the last day playoff dash. Geesh! Was it this bad the final weeks of 86 and 88? I guess the clear shot at history (108 is rarified air even if its 10 or so off the current all-time pace) in the 86 case and 100 wins in 88's case made the Mets "win hungry"

MFS62 Sep 26 2006 09:01 AM

I'd sure like to see Willie start the regular lineup in a few consecutive games, so they can get comfortable again in their regular positions in the lineup. Later

HahnSolo Sep 26 2006 09:57 AM

Somewhat lost amid the worry about Pedro's health and the media-driven "Trachsel or Maine in game 4" issue is this: when the Hell is Glavine going to get his act together? We're waiting Tom. Feel free to cowboy up.

old original jb Sep 26 2006 10:59 AM

My worry is simple. Just prior to and since the clinching, overall, the Mets have played like...... Poopie!

d'Kong76 Sep 26 2006 11:26 AM

I'm worried that we haven't heard from horace p. osterdonk about the state of affairs in PYed Dnyorep. If there was ever a season for pumpkin ale, 2006 has been it so far.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 26 2006 11:29 AM

I'm worried that my game-used Timo Perez jockstrap has declined in value, not to mention effectiveness, since I've been wearing it every day.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2006 11:30 AM

HahnSolo wrote: Somewhat lost amid the worry about Pedro's health and the media-driven "Trachsel or Maine in game 4" issue is this: when the Hell is Glavine going to get his act together? We're waiting Tom. Feel free to cowboy up. Huh? Glavine in September, before last night's start: 2-0, 3.91 ERA. 19 strikeouts, 6 walks, 22 hits in 25.1 innings. Not spectacular, but by today's standards not bad at all.

Willets Point Sep 26 2006 11:44 AM

I wish the Mets would stop losing to crumby teams.

cooby Sep 26 2006 11:46 AM

I love it when someone spells crumby that way. And damnit

A Boy Named Seo Sep 26 2006 11:49 AM

I'm worried that my game-used Timo Perez jockstrap has declined in value, not to mention effectiveness, since I've been wearing it every day. Thank God Almighty, Timo is free at last!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 26 2006 11:49 AM

When I see "crumby" I find that I mentally pronounce the B.

cooby Sep 26 2006 06:41 PM

pitching.

cooby Sep 26 2006 06:46 PM

While I'm at it, crumby pitching

Gwreck Sep 26 2006 08:39 PM

In the event that the Astros will be out first round opponent, this is how their rotation sets up: Game 1 - Roy Oswalt Game 2 - Fuckstick Clemens Game 3 - Andy Pettite I don't like that. Note that Oswalt would be pitching the one-game playoff if that applies.

Rockin' Doc Sep 28 2006 06:08 AM

Momentum may not exist, but slumps certainly do and the Mets currently seem to be in the midst of one. Since the Mets shaved the magic number to one with a victory over the Marlins in Florida on September 13th, the Mets have gone 3-10. Their offense is slumping. Hits and runs seem to be very hard to come by the past two weeks. The Mets have score 36 runs on 101 hits in 421 at bats during the 13 games. They have 72 singles, 21 doubles, 1 triple, and 7 home runs. Toss in 41 walks, 5 hit batsmen, and During the last 13 games the Mets have amassed the following offensive stats: Batting Avg = .240 On-Base %= .321 Slugging % = .344 OPS.......... = .665 Runs/Game= 2.77 That is not going to be good enough in the post-season. This team needs to find it's offense soon or it will likely be a short visit to the post-season.

MFS62 Sep 28 2006 10:45 AM

During the last 13 games the Mets have amassed the following offensive stats: Batting Avg = .240 On-Base %= .321 Slugging % = .344 OPS.......... = .665 Runs/Game= 2.77 Yes, those are pretty offensive. Later

Rockin' Doc Sep 28 2006 11:30 AM

When you really delve into the numbers, the teams offensive drought is even worse than one might think just from observation and their record of late. The numbers would be dramatically worse if not for the offensive barrage the Mets had last Saturday in their 12-6 win over the Nationals. The were 17 of 40 in that game with 6 doubles, a triple, and 2 home runs in that game. In the remaining twelve games the team is batting a cool .220 with an OBP of .303 and their slugging, using the term loosely, drops to .299 during the slump. That is absolutely atrocious production from the line up. Best snap out of it fast.

MFS62 Sep 28 2006 11:36 AM

DC Stadium is not the place you would want to have to do that. Its typically a pitchers' park. Later

TransMonk Feb 17 2010 10:05 AM Re: Worries here

This is a pretty great thread spanning 6 months of the 2006 season with contributions from a lot of us. Remember when things were so good we had to have a thread dedicated to how things might go bad? Nowadays we need to have a thread dedicated to what could go right.

metirish Feb 25 2010 02:18 PM Re:

metirish wrote: In Omar I trust, getting smacked around by the AL might be a blessing in that Omar goes out and makes a trade for another bat and a starting pitcher, Soriano and Zito would fit the bill thank you.....this is the year to go and win it all....go Omar. Oh dear me......do I feel embarrassed by this . Never been in here before, cool thread to look back on.