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Nymr83 Mar 29 2006 08:29 PM

I gave up Jeremy Hermida and Cliff Polite for Mike Mussina and Jay Payton. I'd like to take the opportunity to ask people NOT to vote against any trades unless they are really stupid, theres no money involved here and the "trade police," while necessary in a league with prize money, ruin the fun.

smg58 Mar 29 2006 09:34 PM

No argument from me. The deal would have to be spectacularly lopsided, or I'd need a reason to think somebody was deliberately sacrificing himself for somebody else's benefit.

Zvon Mar 30 2006 02:17 PM Re: The Trades Made thread.

Nymr83 wrote: I gave up Jeremy Hermida and Cliff Polite for Mike Mussina and Jay Payton. gave up? Lol. Smg58 - Im confused - I thought you were looking for starting pitching and outfielders. The trading block also says Rivera is available for trade. Does that mean your giving up on saves or just dont want Mariano in your pen? PS- I rejected your trade offer. But Crede's still available for the right price.

smg58 Mar 31 2006 12:25 AM Re: The Trades Made thread.

Zvon wrote: Smg58 - Im confused - I thought you were looking for starting pitching and outfielders. The trading block also says Rivera is available for trade. Does that mean your giving up on saves or just dont want Mariano in your pen? PS- I rejected your trade offer. But Crede's still available for the right price. I'm looking for better guys than I think Mussina is. Rivera is dealable (for the right price) because even with the ifs (IF Gagne and Foulke stay reasonably healthy and IF Bobby Jenks pitches in April like he has in March and opens the door for Cotts), my pen is in better shape without Rivera than third base and the bottom of my lineup currently are. I'd still prefer to deal Gagne, though. And at least a couple of teams have potential problems at catcher... Hermida will play full time, Payton might not get as many AB's as last year. Crede isn't enough of an upgrade over Boone to justify giving up somebody I might miss. I saw Crede as insurance in case Youkilis and Aurillia only start against lefties, but not more than that. Barring a more tempting player being offered to me, I'm willing to start the year with Boone in that role. By the way, does anybody know when they plan to add Brian Bannister to the pool of players?

metirish Mar 31 2006 11:41 AM

smg58 I accept your trade...I get Varitek and you get Garland.

Rotblatt Mar 31 2006 12:06 PM Re: The Trades Made thread.

smg58 wrote: By the way, does anybody know when they plan to add Brian Bannister to the pool of players? Yahoo!'s pretty quick about that--they usually make roster changes the day after the club does. Have we not officially put him on the 25-man roster yet? Anyway, after he's added to Yahoo! Fantasy, there will be a two-day waiver period where people can place their claims.

Zvon Mar 31 2006 02:39 PM Re: The Trades Made thread.

smg58 wrote: ="Zvon"]Smg58 - Im confused - I thought you were looking for starting pitching and outfielders. The trading block also says Rivera is available for trade. Does that mean your giving up on saves or just dont want Mariano in your pen? PS- I rejected your trade offer. But Crede's still available for the right price. I'm looking for better guys than I think Mussina is. Rivera is dealable (for the right price) because even with the ifs (IF Gagne and Foulke stay reasonably healthy and IF Bobby Jenks pitches in April like he has in March and opens the door for Cotts), my pen is in better shape without Rivera than third base and the bottom of my lineup currently are. I'd still prefer to deal Gagne, though. And at least a couple of teams have potential problems at catcher... Hermida will play full time, Payton might not get as many AB's as last year. Crede isn't enough of an upgrade over Boone to justify giving up somebody I might miss. I saw Crede as insurance in case Youkilis and Aurillia only start against lefties, but not more than that. Barring a more tempting player being offered to me, I'm willing to start the year with Boone in that role. By the way, does anybody know when they plan to add Brian Bannister to the pool of players? Thanks for your detailed answer. I appreciate it. Its good we have CPF to chat things out and see where each other are coming from. I wanted to know about Rivera cause I was thinkin of countering with a pitcher ( Izzy or a starter/depending on your response) and Crede for Rivera and a catcher. Since you dealt Veritek for Garland (nice deal) does that take your remaining catchers off the block?

Zvon Mar 31 2006 03:14 PM

I made a counter offer Smg58.

smg58 Mar 31 2006 09:38 PM

Right now I don't need more pitching. I think I can fill my two util spots adequately. I could still afford to upgrade at second or third but the guys I would have traded Rivera for do not appear to be available. As for my remaining catchers, I like having insurance but I'll entertain good offers. I think I'm done making proposals for the time being. PS abogdan traded Scott Podsednik and Ryan Zimmerman to Vic Sage for Luis Gonzalez (of the Rockies) and Brett Myers. Both sides fill needs.

Zvon Apr 01 2006 01:45 PM

smg58 wrote: Right now I don't need more pitching. I think I can fill my two util spots adequately. I could still afford to upgrade at second or third but the guys I would have traded Rivera for do not appear to be available. As for my remaining catchers, I like having insurance but I'll entertain good offers. I think I'm done making proposals for the time being. got your note Smg58 and I agree. If Berk stays healthy, and I do believe he will, he's gonna have a fine year.

metirish Apr 01 2006 07:33 PM

Thankfully I accepted Varitek from smg58, I just noticed mt other catcher Zaun went on the DL.

smg58 Apr 01 2006 08:32 PM

There was a reason I kept badgering you with offers for catchers...

Nymr83 Apr 17 2006 09:28 PM

Bret Myers for Chase Utley?????? I won't vote against any trades but this seems pretty rediculous to me.

smg58 Apr 18 2006 07:52 AM

Depends on how bad marathon needs K's. But I'd have held on to Utley.

metsmarathon Apr 18 2006 09:02 AM

i know, i'm going to grow to regret that trade. i was thinking at the time... i should hold off, think it through a bit... but then i saw how truly poorly i was doing in wins and other pitching stats and made a rash decision. i shoulda shopped a bit, i think. oh well. we'll see how it turns out in the end.

Vic Sage Apr 18 2006 11:47 AM

yeah, i traded Myers to abogdan for Podsednik, because i had a surplus of frontline pitching and no SBs. so what happens? Posednik is playing hurt and playing bad, and Abogdan is able to turn Myers into Chase Utley. ugh. Myers will give you Ks, but he's pitching in a hitter's park, and who knows if the Phils will be good enough for him to win alot. Utley? a 5-category 2bman, with 1b eligibility! yes, you should have shopped around. actually, you shouldn't have traded utley under any circumstances. You might've found a good SPer for less. Starting pitching is one of those things you can pick up over the course of a season. a .300/30/30/100/100 2bman doesn't come along very often.

metsmarathon Apr 18 2006 12:16 PM

yeah, i know. call it my one stupid move this season... until the next.

GYC Apr 29 2006 06:26 AM

A bit late on posting it here but I swapped Barry Zito for Jim Thome with theoldmole. Maybe he has patience for Zito, but I sure as hell don't.

smg58 Apr 29 2006 10:45 AM

Thome's looked like a top 20 player, if not better, so far. There's still a bit of an injury risk, but I'd lose patience with Zito in a big hurry too if I could get Thome for him.

TheOldMole May 09 2006 06:02 AM

First base was the only position I had depth at, and I gambled that Thome was playing over his head the first month of the season. My pitching staff was such a disaster Victor Zambrano would have improved it.

smg58 May 09 2006 08:30 AM

I know how you feel. I thought Garland and Doug Davis would be upgrades on Mussina and Westbrook and, well, just look at their ERA's. I also figured Mussina was on his way down. My bad. In the meantime I just dealt Matt Murton for Todd Jones. Jones may or may not still be Detroit's closer when the deal finalizes, but I have quantity in the outfield and can use a supplemental source of saves, so I felt it was a risk I could afford to take.

TheOldMole May 09 2006 01:02 PM

Whereas I need any outfielder who can hit over .240.

Zvon May 09 2006 03:19 PM

TheOldMole wrote: Whereas I need any outfielder who can hit over .240. I need a lil bit of everything, ;) *lol Oh,... I mean, :( *sob

willpie May 10 2006 01:14 PM

I just figured out how to check where you're getting your points and it seems I need some runs. not sure that I'm in a position to spare much else, but I'll consider trade requests that will boost my runs.

smg58 May 10 2006 10:09 PM

That's one of my weakest categories as well, so I can't really help you with that.

TheOldMole May 11 2006 02:29 PM

How do you check?

GYC May 11 2006 04:44 PM

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/11835/standings

willpie May 15 2006 06:51 PM

Am I missing something about the trades? It seems like it's been more than 3 days since I accepted smg's trade offer and yet the trade still doesn't go through until wednesday? How does that work?

smg58 May 16 2006 08:50 AM

The trade is official today. Basically there is a waiting period, in case somebody objects. It would take something really lop-sided for me to object, especially since the first trade I made has worked out spectacularly badly for me. But who knows...

GYC May 16 2006 04:32 PM

Four days seems a bit too long for waivers and trades, IMO.

Nymr83 May 16 2006 08:32 PM

considering that most people in a fantasy baseball league don't check every day (you can set your lineup in advance) i felt 4 days was a good amount for waivers, waivers shouldnt be about who happens to be logged on at 4:00am when an owner drops a potential all-star or a team calls up a top prospect that Yahoo didn't have on the free agent list (hey Cole!) As for trades I hope we never have to void one, but in the unlikely event that someone trades Alex Rodriguez for Endy Chavez the league needs time to step in.

Vic Sage May 24 2006 09:43 AM

i find it kind of interesting that Valadius and Willets have taken the exact same approach to our league... that is, they've done absolutely nothing with their teams since the draft, including leaving DLed players in their lineups... and yet Valadius is in 1st place and Willets is in last. So, benign neglect doesn't have to be a losing strategy, it seems. i need to pay less attention to this whole thing, i'm thinking.

Nymr83 May 24 2006 12:18 PM

i think thats a function of the "auto-draft", i'm not sure how many people were actually there, i couldnt be because of work and my team looks NOTHING like a team i would actually draft. yes this is a bit of whining on my part, but my point is that in every live-draft/auction i've ever done the teams that don't pay attention will inevitably sink to the bottom. oh and i'm not "accusing" anyone of not paying attention, i'm just going by what the above posters said.

willpie Jun 01 2006 03:38 PM

Before I go all 'trade police' and vote against it, I guess I'll poll public opinion: Is it me, or is the trade that smg58 and Willet's have pending right now (A-Rod for Youkilis & Ray) too ridiculous to let slide, or did I just wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

smg58 Jun 01 2006 03:44 PM

The other day, Willet's Points offered me A-Rod for Youkilis and Kenny Ray. After letting it sit two days and consulting with the commissioner, I decided the best course of action was to accept the deal and leave it in the hands of the other owners as to whether this is acceptable. I will not protest a negative result.

Nymr83 Jun 01 2006 04:16 PM

i'm waiting or a response from willets myself, i wont void any trade in a free league if the owner honestly believes it will help his team win and he couldnt do better. but this looks to me like "i'm in last, i dont care, i'll help my friend." the fact that he didnt publicly shop $-rod first is pretty damning, i'm in a league right now (a keeper league) where i'm "dumping" andy friggin pettite with his 5.5 ERA and i'm STILL shopping him around to avoid anyone saying i helped a contender by not getting the best offer i could.

Willets Point Jun 01 2006 04:22 PM

Sorry I don't know how to shop around. I figured if I'm going to be in last place I can do it without A-Rod, whom I loathe. Smg58 is the only who had a third baseman listed on his wish list so I offered him the trade. I'm not particularly more friendly with smg58 than anyone else.

smg58 Jun 01 2006 04:43 PM

For the record, the only person I know personally here is patchyfogg. I don't know Willets or anybody else, and do not have any reason to be more or less friendly with any of you.

willpie Jun 01 2006 05:16 PM

Thanks everyone. I appreciate that neither Willets nor smg was trying to do anything shady, but I can't really approve of such an unbalanced trade. I'll be voting against this one.

Willets Point Jun 01 2006 05:27 PM

OK, really when I click "propose trade" I have to select one team and then have to select at least one of that team's players or I get an error message. I don't see a way to just say "A-Rod's avaialable to one and all, please make an offer." If you guy's know something else let me know. I also don't know how to cancel this trade proposal that everyone hates.

smg58 Jun 01 2006 06:13 PM

It's already been vetoed. So no harm done. Willets, don't give up on the season just yet. We're only a third of the way in, and a lot can still happen.

Nymr83 Jun 01 2006 06:27 PM

]Sorry I don't know how to shop around. I figured if I'm going to be in last place I can do it without A-Rod, whom I loathe. Smg58 is the only who had a third baseman listed on his wish list so I offered him the trade. I'm not particularly more friendly with smg58 than anyone else posting on the league message board or here in this forum "I'm looking to trade Arod, please send offers" would be a good start. If nobody follows up on such a post they'd have nobody to blame but themselves when Arod goes to another team too cheaply. it seems that the trade has died before i even wrote this post, everyone should now realize that he's available and hopefully flood your inboc with fair offers.

OlerudOwned Jul 20 2006 07:47 PM

Now for a segment called OlerudOwned is soul-crushlingly bored, so he's going to see how some noteable the April/May trades worked out! Apr 2 NYMR83 gets: J. Payton (Oak - OF) M. Mussina (NYY - SP) smg58 gets: J. Hermida (Fla - OF) C. Politte (CWS - RP) Highway robbery. Mussina has been great, Hermida and Payton each did nothing for either team, and Politte got DFA'd by the White Sox Apr 4 metirish gets: J. Varitek (Bos - C) smg58 gets: J. Garland (CWS - SP) Metirish has them both now. How the bloody hell did that happen? Garland got traded later on with Doug Davis for Craig Wilson and John Patterson, D.L., that's how. Apr 4 Vic Sage gets: S. Podsednik (CWS - OF) R. Zimmerman (Was - 3B) abogdan gets: Lui. González (Col - 1B,2B,3B,SS,OF) B. Myers (Phi - SP) Podsednik has 28 steals and Zimmerman started hitting like a man afire. Myers was traded later on, and Gonzalez is a fantasy bachelor. Apr 21 metsmarathon gets: B. Myers (Phi - SP) abogdan gets: C. Utley (Phi - 1B,2B) abogdan gets a top tier 2nd baseman, but metsmarathon nabs the league high 17 points in the "Spouses Battered" catagory. Apr 24 GYC gets: J. Thome (CWS - 1B) theoldmole gets: B. Zito (Oak - SP) Zito's been a great starter, and Thome's been one of the best hitters in the game. Star Power. May 18J GYC gets: J. Michaels (Cle - OF) D. Báez (LAD - RP) Todd Helton's Meat gets: A. Dunn (Cin - 1B,OF) C. Qualls (Hou - RP) Adam Dunn has hit .269 with 17 HR on my team compared .222 with 13 HR beforehand. Baez recorded his 9th save of the season while on my roster. Baez still has nine saves. And I'm more beautiful than you. And that's why trading is fun: someone almost always loses. And speaking of losers, I'm going to find a hobby. Pray for me.

Willets Point Jul 20 2006 07:50 PM

I should've traded earlier. I'm the biggest loser in this bunch.

smg58 Jul 20 2006 10:23 PM

I'm glad most of my subsequent trades have worked out better than my first two. I was sure Mussina was washed up, but at least he's the only guy I regret dealing. Hermida gave me a decent average and nothing else. Garland has been passable since I traded him, but he had been terrible up to that point. I don't regret the Patterson deal because I was cutting at least Garland and possibly Davis otherwise.