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BLC: Creedence Clearwater Revival vs. The Velvet Underground

Rockin' Doc Mar 25 2006 07:50 PM

I decided to jump into the deep end of the pool and try to swim with the big boys. Lookin' Out My Back Door Susie-Q Down on the Corner Green River Up Around the Bend Bad Moon Rising Have You Ever Seen The Rain Fortunate Son Who'll Stop the Rain? Proud Mary

Rotblatt Mar 26 2006 08:07 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 27 2006 11:27 AM

Avante Garde East Coast City Rock v. Catchy Southern Country Rock Nice. I'm trying out What Goes On, a personal fave, and Satellite of Love. 1. Sweet Jane (full-lenth version, [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000033WC/qid=1141075445/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 2. Pale Blue Eyes [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7G/qid=1143420977/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 3. Rock and Roll [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002LVB/qid=1143420977/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 4. What Goes On (Closet Mix) [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7G/ref=m_art_li_2/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 5. Beginning to See the Light [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7G/qid=1143420977/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 6. Femme Fatale [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7C/qid=1143420977/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 7. Satellite of Love [url=http://www.rhinorecords.com/store/productdetail.lasso?number=72563]![/url] 8. White Light/White Heat [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000001FR9/qid=1141074154/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/104-6133829-9407933?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 9. All Tomorrow's Parties [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7C/qid=1143420977/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] 10. I'm Waiting for the Man [url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002G7C/qid=1143420977/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1820422-0859052?s=music&v=glance&n=5174]![/url] On edit: found a clip of the VU demo version of Satellite of Love. My link now points to that.

Edgy DC Mar 26 2006 10:17 PM

Is "Satellite" not exclusively from the Lou Reed solo catalog?

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 07:21 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Is "Satellite" not exclusively from the Lou Reed solo catalog? Well, it's a little sticky. VU recorded Satellite of Love but didn't release it until the box set in 1995. Lou obviously went solo with it between then. It sounds pretty much the same as on his solo album, although the VU version IS a little rougher. I'm happy to swap it out if you think that's better . . .

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 07:49 AM

Sorry to stickle. Is there no clip of the VU version? Actually, a lot of those songs --- "Sweet Jane," "Rock and Roll," even "White Light/White Heat" --- I'm prone to thinking of, after all these years, as Lou Reed solo material. Great selections, though.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 08:31 AM

Sweet Jane, Rock & Roll, White Light/White Heat were true VU songs. I love the "Transfomer" Satellite of Love but I'm not sure you want to go with it for VU (or that you should). Lou mined his Velvet material on his first, I think, 6 albums. Also, you link to "Transformer" (which isn't fair).

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 09:04 AM

]Sweet Jane, Rock & Roll, White Light/White Heat were true VU songs. No doubt. Just a perception problem of my own. I probably just heard Rock and Roll Animal before I heard most of VU. Their albums were out of print when I was young and they existed more in legend for me than in fact. And Rock and Roll Animal is pretty outstanding.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 09:32 AM

And I came from the other end - distrusting the air-guitarishness of the Rock N Roll Animal versions, 'cause the VU versions were near and dear to me.

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 09:38 AM

No doubt, it's pure seventies air arena rock glam, but it doth rock. So is there a link out there to the real track before I put up a grid?

Willets Point Mar 27 2006 11:13 AM

Lookin' Out My Back Door v. Sweet Jane (full-lenth version) Velvet Underground Susie-Q v. Pale Blue Eyes Velvet Underground Down on the Corner v. Rock and Roll Velvet Underground Green River v. What Goes On (Closet Mix) Velvet Underground Up Around the Bend v. Beginning to See the Light Tie Bad Moon Rising v. Femme Fatale Creedence Clearwater Revival Have You Ever Seen The Rain v. Satellite of Love Creedence Clearwater Revival Fortunate Son v. White Light/White Heat Creedence Clearwater Revival Who'll Stop the Rain? v. All Tomorrow's Parties Creedence Clearwater Revival Proud Mary v. I'm Waiting for the Man Creedence Clearwater Revival Creedence Clearwater Revival 5.5:4.5 Velvet Underground

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 11:29 AM

Okay, so I updated the link to point to a clip of the VU demo version of Satellite of Love--took me a while to find! I'm not going to swap it out now, since WP has already voted, but I'll keep it off my playlist in the future.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 11:34 AM

Lookin' Out My Back Door v. Sweet Jane (full-lenth version) Velvet Underground Susie-Q v. Pale Blue Eyes Velvet Underground Down on the Corner v. Rock and Roll Velvet Underground Green River v. What Goes On (Closet Mix) Creedence Up Around the Bend v. Beginning to See the Light Creedence Bad Moon Rising v. Femme Fatale Creedence Have You Ever Seen The Rain v. Satellite of Love Creedence Fortunate Son v. White Light/White Heat Velvet Underground Who'll Stop the Rain? v. All Tomorrow's Parties Creedence Proud Mary v. I'm Waiting for the Man Tie CCR 5.5 VU 4.5 All about the matchups. I listen to VU fairly often and, though I loved CCR as a lad, I rarely listen to them these days (plus no "Born on the Bayou" is tough). Also, for reasons stated earlier "Satellite of Love" is a fantabulous song but belongs on a Lou Reed solo matchup (where it'd get my vote against most songs).

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 11:40 AM

Creedence Clearwater Revival vs. =darkblue]The Velvet Underground "Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man"

Johnny Dickshot Mar 27 2006 11:42 AM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" --CCR "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" --VU "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" --VU "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" --CCR "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" --VU "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" --CCR "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" --CCR "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" --CCR "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" --CCR "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" __VU CCR 6, VU 4

soupcan Mar 27 2006 11:50 AM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" VELVET UNDERGROUND "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" VELVET UNDERGROUND "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" TIE "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" VELVET UNDERGROUND "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale"CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" VELVET UNDERGROUND "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" VELVET UNDERGROUND VELVET UNDERGROUND - 5.5 / CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - 4.5

metirish Mar 27 2006 11:53 AM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" VU "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes - CCR "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" - CCR "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" VU "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" - VU "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" - CCR "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" - CCR "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" - CCR "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" - CCR "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" - VU CCR wins 6 to 4

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 11:56 AM

sharpie wrote: Also, for reasons stated earlier "Satellite of Love" is a fantabulous song but belongs on a Lou Reed solo matchup (where it'd get my vote against most songs). See, I don't get that. Sure, the song was popularized by Lou Reed, but it's the same song VU recorded prior to '73. If it was created by VU, isn't it a VU song, even if they never released it?

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 12:02 PM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" VU "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" VU "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" VU "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" VU "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" CCR "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" VU "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" VU "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" CCR "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" VU "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" VU VU, 8-2. I like CCR and this is a great playlist, but minus WL/WH, these are my absolute favorite VU songs. I figured VU was going down in flames here, so I might as well trot out my personal list.

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 12:04 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 27 2006 12:06 PM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" Anyone who ever had a heart wouldn't turn around and break it. VU. "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" Thought of you as my mountain top. VU. "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" Two TV sets and two Cadillac cars ain't gonna help me at all. VU. "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" I'm going with with VU here. "What Goes On" is a better song, but it doesn't benefit from the Velvet's lo-fi detached style. It actually could have used a screechy Fogarty vocal. "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" Both songs (both bands really) heavy on the rhytm guitar. I'm throwing this one to CCR. Bring a song and a smile for the banjo. "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" Hope you are quite prepared to die. CCR. "Femme" is great, but it's just got too. Much. Nico. "Have You Ever Seen The Rain?" vs. "Satellite of Love" ’Til forever, on it goes through the circle, fast and slow. CCR. "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" Two scorching scorching records. Can't call it. Tie. "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" For Thursday's child is Sunday's clown. VU. "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" "PM" is just one of those classick rock chestnuts that, if it was ever really that great, I can't hear it anymore. VU. So it's 6.5-3.5, VU. Velvet Underground. There's something about that sound.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 12:05 PM

The "Transformer" version kicks ass with the piano lead and the backing vocals and re-worked lyrics. VU version is unfinished. We're voting on the VU version of a great song, which is not a great version. They were right not to include it on "Loaded."

soupcan Mar 27 2006 12:09 PM

Rotblatt wrote: ="sharpie"]Also, for reasons stated earlier "Satellite of Love" is a fantabulous song but belongs on a Lou Reed solo matchup (where it'd get my vote against most songs). See, I don't get that. Sure, the song was popularized by Lou Reed, but it's the same song VU recorded prior to '73. If it was created by VU, isn't it a VU song, even if they never released it? Ever the U2 cover? Not bad at all.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 12:11 PM

Order of goodness of versions of "Satellite of Love": Lou Reed U2 VU

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 12:40 PM

sharpie wrote: The "Transformer" version kicks ass with the piano lead and the backing vocals and re-worked lyrics. VU version is unfinished. We're voting on the VU version of a great song, which is not a great version. They were right not to include it on "Loaded." Fair enough. I thought you were saying it wasn't a VU song, and so you couldn't vote for it. Saying it's not a particularly GOOD VU song (or at least not better than "Have You Ever Seen the Rain") makes sense to me. I'll definitely have to retire it next time around--too controversial! Although having found the demo clip helps. I wonder if Heroin would have tipped the scales for VU . . .

Edgy DC Mar 27 2006 12:42 PM

"There She Goes Again" --- probably the most imitated song of the VU canon.

sharpie Mar 27 2006 01:04 PM

]I wonder if Heroin would have tipped the scales for VU VU is currently winning so maybe you don't need to try to induce people with Heroin. I woulda voted for it, however, over "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?"

cooby Mar 27 2006 01:12 PM

Lookin' Out My Back Door v. Sweet Jane CCR Susie-Q v. Pale Blue Eyes Tie Down on the Corner v. Rock and Roll CCR Green River v. What Goes On Tie Up Around the Bend v. Beginning to See the Light CCR Bad Moon Rising v. Femme Fatale CCR Have You Ever Seen The Rain v. Satellite of Love CCR Fortunate Son v. White Light/White Heat CCR Who'll Stop the Rain? v. All Tomorrow's Parties CCR Proud Mary v. I'm Waiting for the Man VU CCR-8 VU 2

RealityChuck Mar 27 2006 02:10 PM

"Lookin' Out My Back Door" vs. "Sweet Jane (full-lenth version)" -- tie "Susie-Q" vs. "Pale Blue Eyes" -- CCR "Down on the Corner" vs. "Rock and Roll" -- CCR "Green River" vs. "What Goes On (Closet Mix)" -- CCR "Up Around the Bend" vs. "Beginning to See the Light" -- CCR "Bad Moon Rising" vs. "Femme Fatale" -- CCR "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" vs. "Satellite of Love" -- tie "Fortunate Son" vs. "White Light/White Heat" -- CCR "Who'll Stop the Rain?" vs. "All Tomorrow's Parties" -- CRR "Proud Mary" vs. "I'm Waiting for the Man" -- CCR CCR 9-1

sharpie Mar 27 2006 02:11 PM

Forget what I said earlier about VU currently winning.

Rotblatt Mar 27 2006 02:30 PM

It's a tough challenge for the VU. CCR has a bunch of great songs, all of which are easily recognizable. I suspect Talking Heads are up next, sharpie, so you'd best prepare yourself . . .

sharpie Mar 27 2006 02:47 PM

Talking Heads'll go all psycho killer on proud Mary. They'll burn down that fortunate son's house, they'll take them to the river and make them keep on chooglin'.

Rockin' Doc Mar 27 2006 08:31 PM

My problem is that I only know of the Velvet Underground from a historical viewpoint. I know that they rose out of New York in the late 1960's with Lou Reed and John Cale as principle members. Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with their music. I have listened to sound bytes of each song, but I don't feel it would be fair for me to vote based on that.

sharpie Mar 29 2006 09:11 AM

This one's over. Creedence 50 Velvets 40