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IGT 7/3/2018: NYM@TOR -- It's A Beauty Way To Go

G-Fafif
Jul 01 2018 09:00 PM

Mets take their winning ways global, or at least to Canada Tuesday night. Zack Wheel' keeps on turnin', hot team keeps on burnin'.

Not having had a second consecutive IGT to start since mid-April, I am absolutely giddy.

Chad Ochoseis
Jul 01 2018 09:13 PM
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This guy's absolutely Geddy.

d'Kong76
Jul 02 2018 01:52 AM
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Always happy to segue into some Rush...

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Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2018 11:57 AM
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Geddy can often be seen in the seats directly behind home plate at Blue Jays games - so keep your eyes peeled this week.

MFS62
Jul 02 2018 12:08 PM
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I used to like Toronto.
Not any more.
The Maple Leafs signed Tavares away from the Islanders.
Let's Go Mets!

Later

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 04:59 PM
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Justine Ward is filling in as sideline reporter for this game. Tweet at her and maybe she'll get an interview with Geddy Lee!

Vic Sage
Jul 03 2018 05:57 PM
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Aren't we at war with Canada, or something?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 03 2018 05:57 PM
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Well, we're working on it!

G-Fafif
Jul 03 2018 07:50 PM
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Nimmo, pointing up to the CN Tower CF
Bautista, where he once reigned RF
Cabrera, gutting it out as always 2B
Conforto, trying to get the feeling again LF
Flores, playing a position that shouldn't even exist DH
Frazier, wondering what to do with all those t-shirts 3B
Smith, about to write the...WRIST of the story 1B
Mesoraco, putting down fingers and trying not to get his head whacked C
Rosario, learning the pleasures of a simple walk SS

Wheeler shall pitch if not bat

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 03 2018 07:54 PM
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Anyone here got a problem with Trump jokes in the baseball forum? Speak up.

Lefty Specialist
Jul 03 2018 08:07 PM
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Maybe they can leave Jose Reyes there when they go?

d'Kong76
Jul 03 2018 08:14 PM
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A few choice passports and id's disappearing could conveniently slow down
the return of a few players...

d'Kong76
Jul 03 2018 08:49 PM
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[tweet:l1e379a0]https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/1014236070148313088[/tweet:l1e379a0]

41Forever
Jul 03 2018 09:17 PM
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The Tigers had something like an 11-game losing streak, then beat the Jays twice. Jays are not going to be happy.

Zvon
Jul 03 2018 11:18 PM
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2-0 already! Jays pitcher removed due to some kind of injury.

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Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 11:39 PM
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Ronnie: Good look, Justine.

Justine: Tell it to HR, old man.

Sweet play by Bautista.

Zvon
Jul 03 2018 11:43 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Sweet play by Bautista.

T'was.

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Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 11:44 PM
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Ronnie: If you remember last year, Cabrera was the guy who was going to be moved to first, and he was never moved at all.

Edgy: WtF are you talking about?

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 11:46 PM
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Conforto cracking a double-play into the shift while they were giving him the whole left side of the infield.

Zvon
Jul 03 2018 11:52 PM
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After the Nimmo bunt (foul) I was hoping we'd see more moves against the shift. Guess not.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 11:55 PM
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I missed that. Did the defense adjust after the foul bunt?

Rosario showing sharper instincts is nice to see.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2018 11:57 PM
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STRAIGHTAWAY WILMER!!

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2018 11:59 PM
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Bring in a pitcher and we'll hit a HR off him.
3 outta 3 so far.

Zvon
Jul 03 2018 11:59 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I missed that. Did the defense adjust after the foul bunt?

Rosario showing sharper instincts is nice to see.

Nope. Kept with the shift.

WOWZERS!

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Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 12:00 AM
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Ronnie: Remember when you were a kid and couldn't dunk?

Edgy: I, uh ... still can't dunk, Ronnie. Can you?

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 12:09 AM
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Great call, Umpy.

Thanks for burning that challenge, Jays.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 12:23 AM
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Bautista turned viciously on three pitches before walking there.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 12:27 AM
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Nice to see Toronto on their third pitcher with one out in the fifth.

Not so nice to see the Mets turn around and give them an out on the basepaths.

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2018 12:52 AM
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I don't see Geddy.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 01:00 AM
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Second double for Dominic Smitty. Take that, you shifty shift!

Centerfield
Jul 04 2018 01:14 AM
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Speaking of beauty. Um. Justine Ward.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 01:24 AM
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Jays out-pitchering the Mets, six pitchers to one.

Lefty Specialist
Jul 04 2018 01:41 AM
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Swarzak simply not impressing.

MFS62
Jul 04 2018 01:47 AM
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Lefty Specialist wrote:
Swarzak simply not impressing.

Mickey Calloway likes to use Swarzak.
That says as much about Calloway's judgement as it does about Swarzak's pitching.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2018 01:50 AM
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It's as if every player on the roster and every aspect of the game conspires to fuck up NYM leads in the late innings.

In this case it was a leadoff hit, an error, walking the #9 hitter, and two bad relief appearances back to back - all in the same inning.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 01:53 AM
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That homer was like a Granderson special. A butt-flying golf shot of a pitch at the shins.

Zvon
Jul 04 2018 01:54 AM
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smh. Unbelievable.

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2018 01:54 AM
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But at least we answer back with a 3-pitch K ... and then follow it up with a 5-pitch K ... and then follow that up with a weak grounder

41Forever
Jul 04 2018 01:56 AM
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Sickening.

Gsellman must be fried form overuse.

smg58
Jul 04 2018 01:58 AM
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How does the Green Day song go again? Wake me up when September ends?

41Forever
Jul 04 2018 02:06 AM
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Rats.

We have no bullpen.

MFS62
Jul 04 2018 02:07 AM
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A few newspaper and WEB reports recently have backed off on the DeGrom trade WATPs and said maybe the Mets could get some decent players in return for Wheeler. When told about it, he said he likes New York and wouldn't want to be traded.
I wonder if games like this would change his mind.

OE: Here's a link:

https://nypost.com/2018/07/02/mets-are- ... t/?src=rss

Later

smg58
Jul 04 2018 02:07 AM
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And another two-out bomb buries us.

41Forever
Jul 04 2018 02:08 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
A few newspaper and WEB reports recently have backed off on the DeGrom trade WATPs and said maybe the Mets could get some decent players in return for Wheeler. When told about it, he said he likes New York and wouldn't want to be traded.
I wonder if games like this would change his mind.

Later

Didn't they do this to him last time, too?

Centerfield
Jul 04 2018 02:08 AM
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Justine Ward. Still cute.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 02:13 AM
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Oh, bunt anyway, Nimms.

Two strikes or whatever. That shift stinks.

But called strike three.

Zvon
Jul 04 2018 02:16 AM
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I really thought we had a handle on this one. Maaaaaan!

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 02:18 AM
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2015 Met Tyler Clippard looking to finish this.

Conforto, find your heart here.

Mickey, replace Asdrubal with somebody faster.

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 02:22 AM
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Into the shift to end it.

Five LOBs for Conforto.

Centerfield
Jul 04 2018 02:22 AM
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Unbelievable. I don’t even know what to say.

Centerfield
Jul 04 2018 02:23 AM
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Remember when we thought Swarzak was hurting us by being on the DL.

Turns out April was his best month.

d'Kong76
Jul 04 2018 02:25 AM
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Well, one thing we could say, is start hitting (bunting) against the
shift. I don't mean in this instance, but it's like there's collusion against
fighting back against it since everyone is using it.

smg58
Jul 04 2018 02:27 AM
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Yet another guy who was not ready to help us when he came off the DL.

smg58
Jul 04 2018 02:28 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
Remember when we thought Swarzak was hurting us by being on the DL.

Turns out April was his best month.

Yet another guy who was not ready to help us when he came off the DL.

bmfc1
Jul 04 2018 02:44 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
In this case it was a leadoff hit, an error, walking the #9 hitter, and two bad relief appearances back to back - all in the same inning.
Randazzo and Josh went off twice about that walk. A sinker, not a fastball, against a .220. Helluva signing, Sandy. Maybe Swarzak could use some time in AAA.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 04 2018 03:01 AM
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Lord, I am so glad I didn't stay home to watch this fiasco.

MFS62
Jul 04 2018 03:08 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Maybe Swarzak could use some time in AAA.

He's going to make some Mets fans leave AA.

Later

Lefty Specialist
Jul 04 2018 10:52 AM
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I told myself I wasn't going to watch. But flipping around the channels I saw they had a 5-0 lead. So I watched. Big mistake.

I've never seen so many gigantic bullpen collapses by one team in a season.

smg58
Jul 04 2018 10:58 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
In this case it was a leadoff hit, an error, walking the #9 hitter, and two bad relief appearances back to back - all in the same inning.
Randazzo and Josh went off twice about that walk. A sinker, not a fastball, against a .220. Helluva signing, Sandy. Maybe Swarzak could use some time in AAA.

Swarzak (and then Gsellman on the home run) kept getting ahead of guys and then not finishing the job. The more frustrating at bat for me was the walk to Hernandez. Swarzak couldn't keep him from fouling off pitch after pitch after getting ahead one and two. Ten-pitch walks are brutal.

Regarding the signing -- Swarzak had a 2.33 ERA in 77 innings of work last year (with 91 strikeouts). I'd have signed up for that in a heartbeat. It's entirely Alderson's fault that the back of the pen has been occupied by a rotating cast of minor leaguers, but it's not his fault that Swarzak got hurt. It might be somebody's fault that he was activated when he still isn't right, but that's been a recurring theme here. (We should keep that in mind while waiting for Thor and Cespedes.)

Frayed Knot
Jul 04 2018 11:27 AM
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But as Ronnie said last night, being 'rushed' back is not an excuse - plus we have no idea if that evens applies to Swarzak anyway or if we're merely retro-fitting a reason to explain away bad pitching.
Relievers are notoriously tough to predict and Gsellman's best month was April too and he suddenly can't get anyone out without a DL stint in between.

But it's usually best to follow the old expression for sports in general: if you're injured you're not playing, and if you're playing you're not injured

smg58
Jul 04 2018 11:36 AM
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Gsellman was on a 100-inning pace until recently, and very few relievers can sustain that. The problem is, who the hell do you bring in at this point?

Edgy MD
Jul 04 2018 11:54 AM
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Well, one option is to not bring in anybody until you have to, and get over artificial belief in the number 100 having special powers over a pitcher.

Starting the season by limiting the starters to 80 pitches really put the bullpenners behind the eightball.

Lefty Specialist
Jul 04 2018 11:55 AM
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smg58 wrote:
Gsellman was on a 100-inning pace until recently, and very few relievers can sustain that. The problem is, who the hell do you bring in at this point?

And that's your problem in a nutshell. There aren't any good options.

smg58
Jul 04 2018 01:42 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Well, one option is to not bring in anybody until you have to, and get over artificial belief in the number 100 having special powers over a pitcher.

Starting the season by limiting the starters to 80 pitches really put the bullpenners behind the eightball.

It did. But you had four starting pitchers coming off injuries, and working them up made long-term sense. (Matz and Wheeler are substantially better pitchers now than they were in April.) At least it made sense for health reasons, as opposed to the "third time through the lineup" nonsense. But it put tremendous strain on the pen, and the Mets couldn't afford to have things go wrong there.

It didn't help that the Mets spent significant money on three relievers who have given the team nothing at all this year. Blevins was probably a poor fit given that the team needed innings, but the complete implosion was not something you could predict. Ramos had a history of being erratic, but you had the right to expect more than him sucking and then getting hurt. Swarzak was exactly the kind of quality innings-eater you wanted to find on the market, and you had the right to expect more than him getting hurt and then sucking.

I'm not a fan of 100 as the magic number either. I think right now, you need the starters to protect the pen until Gsellman and Swarzak right the ship. We're left with Lugo and Familia, and Familia won't be here in August.

G-Fafif
Jul 04 2018 06:16 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Nimmo, pointing up to the CN Tower CF
Bautista, where he once reigned RF
Cabrera, gutting it out as always 2B
Conforto, trying to get the feeling again LF
Flores, playing a position that shouldn't even exist DH
Frazier, wondering what to do with all those t-shirts 3B
Smith, about to write the...WRIST of the story 1B
Mesoraco, putting down fingers and trying not to get his head whacked C
Rosario, learning the pleasures of a simple walk SS

Wheeler shall pitch if not bat

Inevitable enough to be predictable, it turned out.

Lefty Specialist
Jul 04 2018 07:14 PM
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Watching this team is like getting whacked in the helmet nightly.