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Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Rockin' Doc Jun 29 2018 02:41 AM

I know it seemed like a good idea at the time and I supported the signing of Cespedes following the 2016 season, but in retrospect I now regret the deal. His deal is for $110 mil. over 4 years. Last year he was paid $22.5 mil. for 81 games played in which he hit 17 home runs and drove in 42 runs. I thought, "Okay, he was overpaid, but there are three more years left. Next year he will be healthy and be the center of the offense." Then this year comes and the Mets are on the hook for $29 mil. and he has played in 37 games while contributing 8 home runs and 28 RBI's. Worse yet, there appears to be no indication that he will be back in the line up and contributing to the team any time in the near future. Now I think, "I can't believe there are two more seasons left on this deal." Prior to joining the Mets, Cespedes was a durable player that rarely missed any games. Since signing his big contract following the 2016 season, he has been quite injury prone. The way he has bulked up, he looks more like a body builder than a baseball player. I will not be at all surprised if he misses significant playing time due to various muscle pulls and strains for the remainder of his contract. I realize that injuries are pretty unpredictable and that Cespedes had no prior history of frequent injuries, but I now have a bad case of buyer's remorse. Talented as he is, I now feel that the moeny invested in Cespedes could have been put to better use.

smg58 Jun 29 2018 10:43 AM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

20/20 hindsight. People would have come after the Wilpons with torches and pitchforks if we didn't re-sign Cespedes, just like if we didn't re-sign David Wright. Both deals made perfect sense at the time. That's the risk that comes with a big contract, and you take the risk if you want the guy. (I'm for giving DeGrom that kind of extension.) I don't regret re-signing them, I regret that it didn't work out. That being said, I no longer think there is room for Cespedes on this team. An AL team in need of a DH would take two-thirds of his salary. Take that, get a centerfielder who can also hit, and let Nimmo and Conforto man the corners.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2018 12:42 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Obviously, at this point it looks like a bad deal, but there's still a chance that it can redeem itself. If Cespedes hits 40 homers in 2020 and the Mets win the World Series, we'll have a different perspective on his contract.

Lefty Specialist Jun 29 2018 12:43 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

At the time, we were ecstatic (I know I was). So it is what it is. If we signed, say, Manny Machado to a similar contract and he broke down later, we'd be having the same conversation.

seawolf17 Jun 29 2018 01:07 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

smg58 wrote: 20/20 hindsight. People would have come after the Wilpons with torches and pitchforks if we didn't re-sign Cespedes, just like if we didn't re-sign David Wright. Both deals made perfect sense at the time. That's the risk that comes with a big contract, and you take the risk if you want the guy. (I'm for giving DeGrom that kind of extension.) I don't regret re-signing them, I regret that it didn't work out. That being said, I no longer think there is room for Cespedes on this team. An AL team in need of a DH would take two-thirds of his salary. Take that, get a centerfielder who can also hit, and let Nimmo and Conforto man the corners. Agree on all counts but the last part. I don't think anyone's going to take any piece of his salary until he shows he can stay on the field.

Ceetar Jun 29 2018 01:23 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

smg58 wrote: 20/20 hindsight. People would have come after the Wilpons with torches and pitchforks if we didn't re-sign Cespedes yeah, but, that's a poor reason to do something and I'm worried some garbage reasoning about spending money was why they got Bruce again too. I was skeptical about Cespedes after 2015, less so after 2016, but it still felt like too much money. But it's not my money and I don't particularly care how much guys make unless it's actively going to prevent them from getting Machado or an infielder going forward, because that's where they needed/need help. So in that respect even in hindsight it's fine. He's a good hitter and you'd like to have him here. He could not miss another game for all we know about the future.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 29 2018 01:24 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

He also (I think) has a full no-trade clause. So he'd have to agree to any trade, and would possibly demand some kind of additional compensation for his waiver of the no-trade. (Although the chance to go from a losing team to a contender might be all the incentive he needs.)

metirish Jun 29 2018 05:30 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Absolutely loved it at the time, and all the things he said about wanting to be here, how he found a home here ....if only he could stay healthy, regrets? I have a few

Centerfield Jun 29 2018 05:38 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I supported it then and still support it now. Injuries are tough to predict. If you are scared of injuries you can't sign anyone. And he's been productive when healthy. Plus we had no choice. It's not like it came down to Cespedes or another elite bat we could pick from. Because of our miserly ownership, it was Cespedes or dick. I choose Cespedes. If it was the case that he wasn't an option, we'd have spent that money on some Michael Cuddyer/Jay Bruce/Todd Frazier bullshit.

Rockin' Doc Jun 29 2018 07:25 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

As I stated in my initial post, I fully supported the deal at the time. His signing has not worked out well to this point, due to recurring muscle strains and injuries. I guess I have grown far more skeptical than most CPF members that he will ever remain on the field enough to produce at a level even remotely commensurate with the salry the Mets are paying him. Since he has a full no trade clause and a high salary, I don't feel the Mets will ever be able to move him. For better or worse, I believe he will be a Met for the duration of this contract. I think the Mets should try to lock up DeGrom with a 4-5 year extension, but I'm afraid that the money tied up in Cespedes will prevent the Wilpons from making a proper offer.

Ashie62 Jun 30 2018 02:16 AM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Loved at at the time. Now? Feels like he got the money and quit Or like Willie Montanez 2.0

Centerfield Jun 30 2018 07:01 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Mets are 19-16 when Cespedes starts. 13-31 when he doesn’t. Those numbers are consistent with his time here. The problem is not that we signed him. It’s that we don’t have enough of him or any protection for him.

TransMonk Jun 30 2018 08:16 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Centerfield wrote: The problem is not that we signed him. It’s that we don’t have enough of him or any protection for him. Yup.

Zvon Jun 30 2018 08:17 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

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RealityChuck Jul 02 2018 04:35 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Cespedes is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "What a wimp. He's dogging it." Syndergaard is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "Poor Noah. I hope he gets ready soon."

Ceetar Jul 02 2018 06:05 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

RealityChuck wrote: Cespedes is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "What a wimp. He's dogging it." Syndergaard is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "Poor Noah. I hope he gets ready soon." One guy talks to the media more.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2018 06:54 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

One guy wakes up white more. On the other hand, one guy has a rep for golfing more.

Ceetar Jul 02 2018 07:06 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Edgy MD wrote: One guy wakes up white more. On the other hand, one guy has a rep for golfing more. One guy also vowed to stop golfing even though it seemed unlikely it was causing him performance issues. We don't even know if the other guy golfs.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2018 07:16 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Hey, I spoke only to the rep, Johnny Throwdown. I fully understand that the fullness of their lives is a mystery to me.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 02 2018 07:18 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Much was made of the fact that Cespedes didn't join the club when they were in Miami. Apparently most injured players do. I read that Travis d'Arnaud was in the dugout. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's certainly a possibility that Cespedes doesn't feel terribly motivated to rejoin a terrible team that's going nowhere.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2018 07:31 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I think it's more likely (and I think it's been reported as such) that he wasn't asked to join the club, for reasons related to his rehab.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 02 2018 07:34 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Or that could be something that Mickey said in order to quell the controversy. I wouldn't rule that out.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2018 07:38 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Mickey, you lying fuck!

smg58 Jul 02 2018 11:56 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Cespedes could make his life easier by talking to the people who form the public's impression of him. Personally, I think you can blame his injuries but you shouldn't blame him. He did carry us to a World Series after all, which presumably you don't do if you're not committed to winning.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 03 2018 11:40 AM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Cespedes lied about his age and he's really two or three years older than everyone thinks he is.

d'Kong76 Jul 03 2018 02:20 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Ceetar wrote: Cespedes is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "What a wimp. He's dogging it." Syndergaard is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "Poor Noah. I hope he gets ready soon." One guy talks to the media more. One guy wakes up white more. I'm sorry, but I call bitter crud biscuits on the notion that fans* are basing this on race, skin color or ethnicity. What percentage of Mets fans* do you suppose really are analyzing injury recovery actions based on black, white or whatever? OE: or the press/blog world

Edgy MD Jul 03 2018 02:27 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I'd be happy to give you examples of how folks give slack to white guys that black and brown guys don't get. It's all over the place, if largely subsconscious.

d'Kong76 Jul 03 2018 02:37 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I'm 55 years old, don't need that kind of guidance from you. When I read this yesterday it bothered me all day. I stand by crud biscuit. First the suggestion (without really suggesting) and then your following answer is sad. No one is sitting around thinking about it like that. Except you two, so far.

Edgy MD Jul 03 2018 02:48 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

It happens all the time and every day. It keeps my white ass off of #MetsTwitter.

d'Kong76 Jul 03 2018 02:57 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I don't go on there, I'll have to take your word for it. My (our) whole world is daily falling apart piece by piece. Hourly.

Edgy MD Jul 03 2018 02:58 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Yeah, you're not missing anything that won't make you want to poke your eyes out.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 03 2018 03:09 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I'll have to be sure to visit there if I ever want to be motivated to poke my eyes out.

SteveJRogers Jul 03 2018 03:10 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

How do you interpret the “JUST RETIRE ALREADY” comments every time David Wright’s return process gets reported on? Also Syndergaard has a public persona rep as a bulldog “good teammate” type that Cespedes has never had, public perception anyway, after four teams now.

d'Kong76 Jul 03 2018 03:12 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Not to steer off Cespedes too much, but this is part of the twittersphere that is officially Mets? Like where we get lineups from but a different section? Out and out bigotry is tolerated on an MLB twitter account?

Edgy MD Jul 03 2018 03:24 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. Many are kind. Many are unkind. No small amount are miserable and diseased.

seawolf17 Jul 03 2018 03:26 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Edgy MD wrote: No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. Many are kind. Many are unkind. No small amount are miserable and diseased. This. I've unfollowed most of them because it's toxic.

d'Kong76 Jul 03 2018 03:46 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Edgy MD wrote: No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. I don't totally understand some of the workings of Twitter.

41Forever Jul 03 2018 04:14 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. I don't totally understand some of the workings of Twitter. You can set a search on #Mets and every time someone uses that hashtag you'd see the tweet whether or not you are following that particular account. Twitter seems to bring out the worst in people for some reason.

Vic Sage Jul 03 2018 06:02 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

41Forever wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. I don't totally understand some of the workings of Twitter. You can set a search on #Mets and every time someone uses that hashtag you'd see the tweet whether or not you are following that particular account. Twitter seems to bring out the worst in people for some reason. anonymity emboldens our worst instincts. that, and the presidency. We are what we do when nobody can see us (or to the electorate).

Ceetar Jul 03 2018 06:08 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: No, it's a community of followers sharing a hashtag. I don't totally understand some of the workings of Twitter. Let's say your entire office is Mets fans and they're all talking about the Mets. #MetsTwitter is the 3-4 guys over there that you'd rather didn't voice their opinion. Most of the time you just ignore those people, but sometimes someone you talk to more regularly about the Mets happens to also be talking to one of them and you overhear it. Oh and the company newsletter (the beat guys) love poking the bear and talking about those 3-4 guys opinions because they're #hottakes In most cases those 3-4 guys are unaware that they're the undesirables as well.

Centerfield Jul 03 2018 06:27 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I don't get why Mets Twitter gets a bad rap. I mean, twitter is a vehicle where you can choose what you want to follow and block out the others. No? So in the workplace example, you can literally fill your break room with only those whose voices you want to hear.

seawolf17 Jul 03 2018 07:53 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Centerfield wrote: I don't get why Mets Twitter gets a bad rap. I mean, twitter is a vehicle where you can choose what you want to follow and block out the others. No? So in the workplace example, you can literally fill your break room with only those whose voices you want to hear. Exactly. I stopped following most of those dingbats years ago. It's toxic, though, as any Twitter group can be; a bunch of assholes apparently harassed one of the female Mets fan Tweeters (Miss Met, IIRC?) a few weeks back so much that she deactivated her account for a while.

G-Fafif Jul 03 2018 08:16 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Centerfield wrote: I don't get why Mets Twitter gets a bad rap. I mean, twitter is a vehicle where you can choose what you want to follow and block out the others. No? Good summation. There's always gonna be jerks. They can be avoided.

Edgy MD Jul 03 2018 08:47 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

I was just citing where the toadstools can be found.

Centerfield Jul 04 2018 02:55 AM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Understood. I’m just saying toadstools are everywhere. Unfortunately. Twitter, Facebook, family reunions. I like Mets Twitter. I get fast news, different perspectives, and opinions of those that aren’t worried about getting their press credentials revoked by the Wilpons. It’s refreshing for me to know others are like minded. Sure there are jerks. I don’t follow them. Pretty simple.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 04 2018 11:42 AM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

d'Kong76 wrote: Cespedes is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "What a wimp. He's dogging it." Syndergaard is injured and takes longer than expected to heal: "Poor Noah. I hope he gets ready soon." One guy talks to the media more. One guy wakes up white more. I'm sorry, but I call bitter crud biscuits on the notion that fans* are basing this on race, skin color or ethnicity. What percentage of Mets fans* do you suppose really are analyzing injury recovery actions based on black, white or whatever? OE: or the press/blog world People don't often sit down and say to themselves, " I think I'm going to let race color my perceptions of things and act accordingly." They just, y'know, do so. It doesn't mean that's the only factor in the varying levels of slack allotment/crud biscuit apportionment among injury-rehabbers... but it is very likely A factor. That pointing that out upsets you or strikes you as BS or makes other people want to label the pointer-outer a "SJW" or "divider" doesn't make that less true.

Centerfield Jul 04 2018 01:30 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

And that’s not to say this affects everyone’s thinking. But it certainly affects some. Anyway, back to Cespedes, last night’s game made me realize that the Mets are just not going to win until he comes back. They are terrible without him. Proven time and time again. Maybe next year we have him train with someone not named “Barwis”. And I know this sounds like scapegoating, but you know, if only to shake things up.

d'Kong76 Jul 04 2018 01:32 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

SJW? Give me a break. I was wrong, apparently some fans think Cubans are lazy slackers. Please don't lecture me or put me on trial over other people's prejudices.

dgwphotography Jul 04 2018 01:40 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Apparently, Cespedes started a running program yesterday, running a series of 60 yard sprints at 75%. Also, apparently Edgy is the biggest racist here. ;-)

Edgy MD Jul 04 2018 02:45 PM Re: Does anyone else regret resigning Cespedes?

Give me a few more trips to the vending machine and I just might be.