Jul 22 2018 12:25 PM
Re: In-Trade Thread
I didn't say they didn't exist, but like LH hitting catchers there's just considerably fewer of em.
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In-Trade Thread
| Edgy MD Jul 21 2018 03:07 AM |
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| Frayed Knot Jul 21 2018 03:15 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Andy Martino:
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2018 03:20 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Justine, Reports suggest the A's have the inside track. Who are the best players we can expect to get back?
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| d'Kong76 Jul 21 2018 03:22 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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He does look good in a hoody.
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| Edgy MD Jul 21 2018 03:34 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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[fimg=600]http://www.justine-ward.com/uploads/1/5/6/2/15621810/rangers-justine_orig.jpg[/fimg] Thanks, John! I'm here in the lower ring of famed Madison Square Garden! Rumors are rumors, but one thing that seems to put the A's on the inside track is the news tonight that they've released veteran righthander Santiago Casilla. Casilla had an ERA of just 3.16 this season, but his walks have been up and the A's have been using him with decreasing frequency. Santiago has spent his entire 15-year career pitching for Bay Area teams, has a fistful of rings from his days in San Francisco, and owns a 0.92 post-season ERA over the course of a not-insignificant total of 19 2/3 innings. So the move has struck many in baseball as surprisingly decisive by Billy Beane, who will have to eat the remainder of Casilla's $6 million salary. All the executives I've talked to say there's another shoe ready to drop in Oakland. Met fans tonight are wondering if that shoe is big and Domincan, and how Oakland TV announcers Glen Kuiper and Ray Fosse might add to the many ways "Jeurys" can be pronounced! The night is young and there's more to come! Keep it right here!
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 03:35 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I hate this.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 11:22 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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No trade announcement yet. It must have been a sleepless night for Familia. I'm sure that Rosenthal and Olney were up all night trying to get the scoop. If it is Oakland, then Sandy is already there for an A's reunion this weekend. BTW, Jeff McNeil didn't play for the 51s last night so maybe he's on the way to New York.
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 11:44 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I also really like Familia. I hate that it's necessary. As far as the offseason goes, he's one of several closers I would consider. He's more defense-dependent than most closers (especially infield defense), and the Mets' ability to improve there would affect how much I value him. As for prospects -- their top 3 are really good. I'd love to get Jesus Luzardo, but that is probably wishful thinking. AJ Puk is recovering from TJS, but I could live with that if the A's can't. Sean Murphy is a very nice catching prospect. I don't know if a rental could get us one of them, though.
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 03:13 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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No trade yet, also no uniform in Familia's locker. He's still on roster but won't be available. Mets have a mystery pitcher ready to step in should a deal be consummated by gametime, but Callaway, who is on top of everything in this organization, says that isn't likely.
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| cooby Jul 21 2018 03:15 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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THis is just wrong. If he's not traded, it's a wasted weekend and also a lot of stress for him.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 03:18 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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They have a guy staying at the Stadium Motor Lodge, he's in uniform, he has the Uber app and he's ready to go.
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| Ashie62 Jul 21 2018 03:27 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Is Justine Ward available?
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 03:28 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Not illegal, quite common. For example, they flew Nido up to Toronto on July 4 when they weren't sure if Mesoraco had sustained a concussion. Mesoraco was cleared to play and Nido was sent back to the minors without having been activated.
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| Edgy MD Jul 21 2018 05:10 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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[fimg=600]http://www.justine-ward.com/uploads/1/5/6/2/15621810/img-0624_orig.jpg[/fimg] Cute, Ashie. But I'll tell you what I told that homicidal maniac Conor McGregor: NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS! I'm not here to flirt. I'm a woman just trying to do her job!! And in such a role, I've been trying to get the skinny on which players may or may not be coming the other way, but nobody's talking. And that's their prerogative of course, but Billy Beane didn't have to go and call me "fake news." That's just wrong.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 06:56 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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By all means don't get anyone who could help you next year.
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| HahnSolo Jul 21 2018 07:06 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Then why the hurry? Deadline is 10 days from now.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 07:51 PM Re: In-Trade Thread Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Jul 21 2018 08:19 PM |
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Welcome Will Toffey: https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?p ... osition=3B
And welcome non-top prospect Bobby Wahl, RHP, who is currently in AAA: https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... bo01.shtml 65 K's in 39.2 IP. Finally, welcome international slot money. And the A's take on all of Familia's salary so the trade is a big win for the Wilpons.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2018 07:56 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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LH hitting third baseman
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| HahnSolo Jul 21 2018 08:25 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I'm sure Mets twitter and Mets Facebook will be totally rational about this move.
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 08:52 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Oakland picks up all of Familia salary. Which can explain why they got crap back in return.
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 08:54 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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So far 2018 is turning out a lot like 2017. But hey. But here’s to hoping 2019 will be different while we go about doing the same exact thing.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2018 08:54 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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We don't really learn, do we?
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 08:59 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I mean John Ricco said literally the opposite to Tim Harley yesterday.
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 09:08 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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These are the saddest of possible words:
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| HahnSolo Jul 21 2018 09:08 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Do we know for sure which of the three-headed monster pulled the trigger on this one? The sweetener of the international slot money seems Omar-ish.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 09:12 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Mets trade checklist:
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2018 09:13 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Scuttlebutt suggests the objective of this deal is getting the million bucks in international draft $$ that might allow the Mets to sign Cuban uber prospect Victor Victor Mesa. Because Cubans face a different route to international draft hes not yet been declared eligible even though he is considered the best prospect in this class. Most clubs have already spent their $$, so this could be a brilliant move.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2018 09:16 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Victor Victor.... that's what he goes by ... would have been considered a top-10 pick were he in the draft. 21 year old CF who can play at AA now
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 09:19 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The cynic in me thinks that the Mets are more likely to get Julie Andrews than Victor Victor(ia) because they never get the best guy but it's something to hope for. Thank you JCL. Pete McCarthy is talking about him, too.
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 09:23 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Seeing as how the Mets have rarely been victors twice in a row since April, this would be a step up.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 21 2018 09:44 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Sherman is kicking the Mets ass right now on Twitter. I don't agree w/ the Cespedes angle, but this trade does seem questionable from a few angles. I hope this Victor Vector guy is the savior and we do get him cause it does seem the $1M is def the biggest return in the trade. Rosenthal adds that the A's could end up flipping Familia in 10 days if nothing comes of their run. If that happened and their return was better...
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 09:45 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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They could have waited until 3 pm on the 31st to pull the trigger on this one. In the meantime, they have set the bar low for two-month rentals -- including several that the Mets still need to trade.
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 09:47 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The reliever that they got is capable of stepping in to the Mets' pen right now, which I suppose makes this an improvement from the deadline deals last year. But like Sherman said, the A's could have called him up but didn't.
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 09:56 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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True, but this way they saved 10 additional days of his salary.
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| Edgy MD Jul 21 2018 10:31 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| metirish Jul 21 2018 11:04 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Keith Law
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 11:12 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Wahl will get at least one save for us this season. Possibly tomorrow night in the Bronx.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2018 11:19 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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My first instinct was to write pretty much the same post Keirh Law wrote. But I didn't 'cause I figure youse are tired of hearing it from me. Or just tired of me, period. But I've been on to eff Wilpon's scam for about 20 years now.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 21 2018 11:57 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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It's simple. They said they would eat salary to get better prospects. They lied. They got crap back for a useful player, rental or no. And they're hiding from the media.
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| MFS62 Jul 22 2018 12:06 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Of course. Right handed hitters seem to be an anathema to some of the people who acquire players in this organization. Later
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| 41Forever Jul 22 2018 12:29 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I see quotes from Ricco and Omar. Who is Sherman accusing of hiding from the media?
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 22 2018 12:47 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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They're press releases. Nobody has actually stood in front of reporters, partly because they'll also have to answer questions about Cespedes.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 22 2018 12:47 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Old story here, there and everywhere. Instead MLB loaned the Mets money and enabled them to carry on as usual. All these years later it's still going on and if they're looking to sell another 10% one has to ask why, even though everyone knows the answer. They're still cash poor.
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| 41Forever Jul 22 2018 01:03 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Ah. Bad form. They should have someone there to take questions. Familia was an important player and they should have someone there to sell the deal. And, by this point, if they don't have points on Cespedes to answer questions, then they are a mess.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 22 2018 01:15 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Lol, you just can't help it can you? No one wants or needs to be sold on something by the front office. They're horrific enough as is, spin doctoring would make it worse.
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| 41Forever Jul 22 2018 01:29 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Sell the deal, explain the deal -- whatever term you want -- tell people why they made the deal. The absence of someone there to talk about it is a bad thing.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 22 2018 01:41 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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But you instinctively said sell, not explain! :^)
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| Ceetar Jul 22 2018 02:12 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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this invalids literally his entire rant.
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| Fman99 Jul 22 2018 02:21 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I'm a big fan of the slot, myself.
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| Edgy MD Jul 22 2018 02:48 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2018 03:18 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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this is a dumb comment and not supported by facts. LH hitting third baseman are rare, that's why I pointed it out
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 22 2018 03:30 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| Edgy MD Jul 22 2018 04:15 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 22 2018 10:11 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Kinda fitting that Justine is standing in front of a picture of A-Gon, a symbol of a season gone awry.
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| Centerfield Jul 22 2018 12:04 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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What are your thoughts on the trade itself? Especially in light of Ricco’s comments the day before that they would eat salary in exchange for a better return?
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| cooby Jul 22 2018 12:16 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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It's frustrating that the Mets should trade a major player, and secretly plan surgery on another major player, without any public accountability. The only prior notice was that both players were suddenly "not available". Do they not realize that this is a corporation that has millions of people watching every move? It wouldn't kill them to share a little. They just look more and more foolish.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2018 12:25 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| MFS62 Jul 22 2018 12:46 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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You might remember a few of the names on this list: https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/bl-tr-par ... e-history/ And I was commenting about the need for righty hitters, regardless of position. No need for name calling. Later
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2018 12:59 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I didn't say you were dumb I said the comment was dumb, and I'll stand by that.
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| 41Forever Jul 22 2018 01:00 PM Re: In-Trade Thread Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 22 2018 04:55 PM |
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I'm disappointed. Familia was our biggest trade chip. I was hoping for more. That's why someone from the team needs to tell us why this was done. If it was just for salary relief, then I'm doubly disappointed. I want to hear how this trade makes us stronger in the future. And if that means saving money, then I want to hear how that money will be reinvested. OE: Changed the part about selling a part of the team. Thanks for the correct info. I want to hear someone say they are devastated that they are in the position of having to trade top players because of a lost season. I want someone to tell me they are beyond frustrated that players on this team seem to get injured at an alarming rate and that the team will be taking a close look at training and preparation to determine if there is anything internally that is contributing to that rate. I want someone to tell me that that process has started to get a top GM in here, and that he or she will have autonomy to make baseball decisions and support from the ownership. I want someone to tell fans that they know the fans are frustrated and angry, and that the team's leaders are, too. Then I wanted to see evidence that they are and positive changes are being made. And right now, I don't even know who they'd send out there to tell us those things. They are a mess.
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| Edgy MD Jul 22 2018 02:11 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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From the "Show us the plan" file, I don't think we're ever going to really hear how money is going to be re-invested. The best you can do is look at the next purchase, and consider the outlay coming in part or whole from whatever was saved or returned in the previous non-cash-neutral deal.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 22 2018 03:15 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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WRT to bonus pool money, here's what it looked like before the Mets got that extra $1M.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 22 2018 04:38 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The Mets aren't putting up any more of the team for sale, so they won't be receiving any more money. It's two of the recent investors that are interested in selling their shares. Besides, the Wilpon/Katz group now owns just 51% of the team, after the recent Madoff necessitated selloff.
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| bmfc1 Jul 22 2018 04:46 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Good analysis, thank you ABNSeo.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 22 2018 04:52 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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You're right, I misspoke in my excitement last night.
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| G-Fafif Jul 22 2018 05:03 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Can I just say Justine Ward is doing a helluva job?
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| Ashie62 Jul 22 2018 10:31 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Love Justine!
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 02:04 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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well sort of. _Sterling Equities_ owns 51% or whatever. 52 I think, if it was really 12 4% shares. but Jeff Wilpon bought one. Saul Katz bought one. SNY bought 4. No one ever talks about it like that though. The creative accounting must be confusing to baseball writers. As far as this trade goes, on one's seemingly leaked a report of an obviously better offer, though Law asserts it and then claims it's not on him to cite anything approaching a source.
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 03:56 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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when it comes to international signing bonus dollars, we do actually get to see where they spend the money (unless the prospect comes from Venezuela, things are so bad there that Baseball America isn't posting signings out of fear of kidnapping of prospects' families)
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| Frayed Knot Jul 23 2018 09:46 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Pitched the 9th & 10th in his Oakland debut and was rewarded with the 'W' vs the Bay-area rivals when the A's pushed across the tie-breaking run in bottom 10th
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 23 2018 03:53 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Not sure if anyone here has subscribed to the Athletic, but per MLBTR, Jim Bowden of the Athletic claims that rival teams interested in Familia told him "they didn't know why the Mets didn't approach them one final time to give them a chance to top Oakland's offer." Bowden called the trade "the most lopsided trade so far this trade season."
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 04:07 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Padres trade reliever Brad Hand to Cleveland for TOP PROSPECT catcher Francisco Mejia.
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 04:13 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I think there is one relevant quote in the article though at the very end concerning the role of Minaya here -
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| seawolf17 Jul 23 2018 04:17 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Hand is under contract for two more years, though. So there's a lot more security for Cleveland in that trade.
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 04:34 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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didnt realize that!
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 04:38 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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And Mejia may or may not be a lost cause at catcher.
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 05:15 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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yeah, yankees "catcher" prospect Jesus Montero never came together.
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 05:31 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| Nymr83 Jul 23 2018 05:36 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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nope, i'm not going to strongly attack or defend the deal, lets see what they do with the bonus money. i was just commenting on another reliever trade that happened today. i can't get too worked worked up about the return on a 3 month reliever rental or the Mets not eating salary.
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| smg58 Jul 23 2018 05:37 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Plus Cleveland got a second major league reliever (under control for five more years) in that deal as well.
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 05:41 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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[fimg=600]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GHJTSRXthmo/maxresdefault.jpg[/fimg] I wouldn't use this kind of language myself, but Nelson says you—quote—suck at this TV thing—unquote.
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| smg58 Jul 23 2018 06:00 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I like that the relief pitcher involved is major-league ready; that's already progress relative to last year at this time. But I bet they could trade Mesoraco or Bautista and get nothing but money for the international market in return, and I'd be OK with that. The deal will look better or worse depending on what Zack Britton gets (recovering from an injury, averaging about a walk per inning).
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 23 2018 06:02 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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But Oakland's suddenly in the playoff hunt. The added revenues the A's will get from a playoff run probably made it worth their while to give the Mets a better prospect. Isn't that precisely what the Mets did when they dealt Michael Fulmer to the Tigers for Yoenis Cespedes, at the time, a two month rental? I think the Mets made a terrible deal, from the fan's perspective. I guess the Wilpons made out with the salary dump, but this is an example where the owners interests aren't perfectly aligned with the fans.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 06:06 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Our owners' interests are not aligned with the fans. They haven't been since Madoff.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 23 2018 06:19 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 06:23 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The Wilpons are roughly at zero risk of losing the team, and roughly every one of the 30* owners priorities are making a profit over winning. The difference since Madoff is that the Wilpons are unwilling to risk much of their own money in a gamble to get more via it working out. I don't know what percentage of owners are willing to do that, but it's nowhere near 29.
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| Edgy MD Jul 23 2018 06:29 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I think the difference since Madoff is that not the owners are unwilling to spend beyond a threshhold, but that they haven't (or at least) been able to, because their creditors placed spending limits to guarantee that at the end of the season, there'd be enough revenue to service their debt.
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 06:32 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I'd take a slightly less than max return if it shame-insures the Mets pick a GM that's not currently in the front office. but yeah, the new guy (or gal) probably won't deal with frozen assets and a team in the red.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 23 2018 06:35 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The quote wasn't that they would've topped it, but that they were surprised the Mets never game them the chance. Regardless, why wouldn't you believe it?
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 06:37 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Because it doesn't fit his narrative.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 06:38 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Just curious. Why do you think that era is wrapped up?
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 06:43 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I just don't believe that mystery GM was suddenly going to up his offer to a point that the Mets would've taken it over the Athletics. You really think it's more believable that the Mets ignored this person's offer over $3 million? And aside from that, if this GM was playing hard ball, he lost. The Mets believed his hard line that he wasn't raising his offer and he knew, as we all did, that there were other teams interested. You could say maybe this was some due to some unfamiliarity, but it's not like these three haven't been with the Mets for a while. The rumored deal was leaked well before it was official, if said GM really wanted Familia he could've picked up a phone at anytime to call the Mets. that's just more believable than they took the first offer that let them offload the salary.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 23 2018 06:54 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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You don't think another GM would up their offer if they felt they could top one they thought was inferior to theirs? The fact that Mets may not have called other interested teams to ask for a last/best offer seems crazy to me. And I didn't say the Mets "ignored" any offers and didn't point to anything that said they did, but if this GM was playing hardball and the Mets knew it, then you absolutely go back and say, "last chance here, or we trade trade him to someone else today." If they say no, great. But why not make that call? Why not mull over multiple best offers?
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 06:58 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I think the Mets had a pretty good sense of the other offers, and in particular, their stance of the guy they'd need to go with them. If they'd already had the conversation with the Mariners and were convinced that diPoto was under no circumstances going to part with that one prospect they really coveted better than what Oakland was offer, why call them back? I mean, I agree I don't love that the Mets went the "come give us your best offers" rather than going out and repeatedly peddling him around and trying to get a bidding war up (if such a thing was going to happen) but I don't buy that this GM was actually going to top the offer.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 07:22 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Because this is how negotiation is done. This how you maximize returns on an asset. By making sure everyone has a chance to bid. If you don't understand that then you are not in a position to have an educated discussion on the subject. Keep in mind, this is not the first time this has happened to the Mets. Remember, rival GM's also expressed their frustration that they weren't aware that Scott Kazmir was available. And say what you want about the trade, it's utter foolishness to pull the trigger without fully exploring that market first. That trade was 14 years ago. Several regimes ago. The only constant is the name Wilpon.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 23 2018 07:34 PM Re: In-Trade Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 23 2018 07:37 PM |
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Ceets, I know you're assuming DiPoto/Mariners, and they might be one of the teams who were in on Familia, but the Bowden quote referenced earlier cites sources from rival teams, plural.
And MLBTR report on July 20th cites Tracky and DiComo as reporting the A's and Cubs were interested, but had competition. Bold is mine.
That's a day before the Mets took the A's offer. And even if you love that A's offer, it makes all the sense in the world to call the other teams before you accept it and give everyone else a last shot to change your mind.
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| HahnSolo Jul 23 2018 07:36 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I still don't get the rush to trade him 10 days before the deadline.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 07:38 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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It makes all the sense in the world to call around again if your goal is to maximize your return.
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| bmfc1 Jul 23 2018 07:40 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Plus, by making the trade on Saturday they saved an extra 10 days of that salary!
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 07:47 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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yeah, it's the exchanging names bit that I keyed in on. That's consistent with how the Mets have operated under Alderson and I guess the same holds true for his lieutenants? You pick the guy you want, and if you can get him, you take him. I'm not saying it's a great way to operate, but under the same token, this is outside of the salary thing. If they liked another player better from somewhere else, they just as easily should've gone back and say "well, will you also pay the $3 million? We have another offer, are you going to let $3 million keep you from Familia?" Maybe it's the three-headed GM thing. Maybe Sandy would've played it slower and gotten a slightly better return? On the other hand, Oakland, currently, has a full head of steam. What happens if they go 2-6 the next week and decide they're not that close? and then the AL is basically decided and maybe none of the other teams think the price for another reliever just for the playoffs is as high as it was either. You cut the market in half. But mainly what I don't buy is the salary relief theory. It makes a ton more sense that teams are valuing there prospects more than ever and that giving up a better one for the sake of a few million just isn't the move anymore. I think the money part of the equation is much lower than it was.
hell, they could've traded him a month ago if all they wanted to do was offload the salary and get a warm body.
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| Nymr83 Jul 24 2018 02:11 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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that just isn't true. there are other ways to deal. you can take the used car dealer approach "this Familia is available now for these prospects but don't walk off the lot! i've got another guy ready to buy and Familia won't be here if you come back later!" which is to say artificially inflate the value and make the need to act now seem pressing before the other GM has the chance to call all the others sellers and see if he can get a better reliever for the asking price. i am not saying the Mets executed that strategy well, only that it is one of many strategies that someone (not them) could successfully employee.
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 01:54 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Hokey sales techniques aimed at uneducated buyers do not work on sophisticated GM's of Major League baseball teams. Billy Beane isn't going to fall for a sales pitch, follow Ricco into his office and sign the paperwork. Once a deal comes down the home stretch, a GM will explore all of his options, make sure that there are no better alternatives, then commit to the deal. This is basic due diligence, and the GM's of all teams do this. Well, the GM's of the other 29 teams will anyway.
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| seawolf17 Jul 24 2018 01:58 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Just a matter of time until some radio comedian releases a prank call where Ricco agrees to trade deGrom for a dead squirrel and fifty bucks.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 24 2018 02:52 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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That'll be on the last episode of "Who is America?" sandwiched between Palin and Cheney. Seriously, the timing could not have been worse for the team for Sandy to have to step down, limping into the deadline with the tripod interim GM. With Familia, I wonder if this trade was a unanimous "YES" from the 3 GMs, or if 2 out of 3 liked it or what. Such a strange structure with 3 guys sharing the final call.
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| Edgy MD Jul 24 2018 02:57 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Stupid cancer!!
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 02:58 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I would guess Jeff Wilpon is in charge.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 24 2018 03:06 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Stupid cancer indeed. I think if they end up trading Mesoraco, and if whatever team acquires him agrees to pay the rest of his salary, then it will appear that Jeff might be the new interim GM.
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| Edgy MD Jul 24 2018 03:13 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The Reds already picked up Mesoraco's salary. The Mets are on the hook for Harvey's.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 24 2018 03:40 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The Reds sent money to pay the difference in Mesoraco's salary, but both teams still have to write the checks every month, I would imagine. If so, I don't think there's anything stopping the Mets (or the Reds in Harvey's case) to ask their potential trading parter to pay the remaining salary for these guys themselves and pocket that ca$h.
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 04:17 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Is Mesoraco a free agent? Or under control for more years?
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| Edgy MD Jul 24 2018 04:44 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Devin is a free man at the end of the season.
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| smg58 Jul 24 2018 10:09 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Bobby Wahl got three strikeouts out of five batters faced in his Vegas debut.
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| Edgy MD Jul 25 2018 12:19 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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He'll get the call. Worry not.
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| bmfc1 Jul 25 2018 06:43 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Andy Martino has an update on which Mets could be traded by the deadline:
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| G-Fafif Jul 26 2018 06:25 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Erstwhile coveted Oakland Athletic minor leaguer Will Toffey is now the No. 24-ranked prospect in the Mets system, according to MLB Pipeline. For comparison's sake, toast of New York Jeff McNeil is ranked No. 19, yesterday's winning pitcher Corey Oswalt is No. 14 and the top pick time forgot, Gavin Cecchini, is No. 18.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jul 26 2018 06:50 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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So in comparison, the Brewers just traded their #13 prospect plus a 20-year old Dominican pitcher "with promise" currently in the rookie league for 34-year old Joakim Soria ($10M salary next year/$1M buyout). No international $$ changed hands, though. Easy as it is to crap on the Mets, $1M in international signing booty seems to carry decent weight.
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| Ceetar Jul 26 2018 07:03 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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evaluating them by team ranking is tough though. Brewer's #13 prospect probably doesn't equate to Oakland's #13 prospect or to Yankees #13 prospect.
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| Ashie62 Jul 28 2018 01:40 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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How about this? They are likely all a load of crap
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| Edgy MD Jul 28 2018 01:49 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I'd find that to be a less-than-scientific assessment.
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| Ashie62 Jul 28 2018 01:53 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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No doubt, I kinda expected a Keith Law 100 one or two make the rounds. Silly me Billy McKinney for Happ? really?
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| Fman99 Jul 30 2018 02:30 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I'm really hoping the Mets stand pat from here on in, I don't want to see them trade Wheeler or Matz. I think we have the first four guys in what could be a dominant rotation.
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| Edgy MD Jul 30 2018 02:48 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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How do you feel about possibly dealing Flores? Bautista and Mesoraco?
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| Fman99 Jul 30 2018 03:07 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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My wife would/will be devastated if Flores gets dealt, she's a sucker for a crying adult man. I think they should hold him, he's been one of their best hitters for the last several weeks and he's a product of our own minor league system. As for Mesoraco and Joey Bats, they are hired guns, I don't see them as being irreplaceable.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2018 03:14 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Yeah, this. My wife would be bereft if they traded Wilmer. She wouldn't miss the others.
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| Edgy MD Jul 30 2018 06:01 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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In 2015, the Mets got Eric O'Flaherty for minor leaguer Dawrin Frias, and did so after the trade deadline, so I imagine they might similarly be exploring opportunities to move Jerry Blevins.
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| Fman99 Jul 31 2018 12:34 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Trade deadline is just 7 hours and 26 minutes away. Curious to see what happens today, Mets-wise.
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| smg58 Jul 31 2018 01:52 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bautista goes to the Yankees. Despite some housecleaning, the Yankees still have some AAA arms that aren't high-end prospects but could help our bullpen right away. The Red Sox do as well, especially from the left side, and Mesoraco would be an upgrade at catcher. So that's my wish list.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 02:02 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Maybe the Yankees get Bautista, declare themselves finished, and five minutes later, the Red Sox get Harper.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 02:07 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Wahl got the save in a 10-8 Vegas slugfest last night. Struck out the side in the ninth around a single.
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| Centerfield Jul 31 2018 02:31 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The Nationals are super talented and just in a rut. Clearly they should keep Harper and make a run at this.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2018 06:29 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Yeah, I have to think the Nats still have a run in them. I'd keep them together if I were running things.
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| Fman99 Jul 31 2018 06:40 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Beat writers seem to think the Mets are going to stand pat. I'm fine with that. Looking on Twitter and I'd say 2/3 of the fans are mad that we're not selling high on Wheeler, or low on Bautista, to restock the system. I'm kind of surprised by that.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 31 2018 06:55 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Fans generally love the 'trade-em-all-for-prospects' route.
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| Ceetar Jul 31 2018 06:55 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Fans on twitter will never be happy. I mean, there's almost no value in not selling Bautista or Mesoraco but there's also almost no value in just dumping them for some random garbage scrub that no one wants either. Plus you try to get them through waivers/trade them in August anyway.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 31 2018 07:02 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Standing pat may be the problem. They're not tearing down. But then they probably won't spend meaningfully to plug up the holes. They'll end up treading water and hoping for the next Michael Cuddyer -- some old geezer by baseball standards who was an all star six years ago, to wildly exceed expectations.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2018 07:23 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Maybe so. But I think the deadline always get framed in this "fire sale or stand pat" label when the truth is probably that the Mets would trade Wheely if they got something real good for him. What contender wouldn't want a guy pitching as well as Wheely is right now? They;re the ones standing pat. Someone's gonna end up regretting they didn't offer enough.
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| seawolf17 Jul 31 2018 07:44 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Jeff: "Wait, is Cuddyer still available? Someone call his agent."
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| RealityChuck Jul 31 2018 07:54 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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From the Mets Twitter Feed:
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 31 2018 07:56 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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THE Jack Reinheimer? Wow.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 08:13 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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That rein isn't going to heim itself.
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| Ceetar Jul 31 2018 08:22 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I believe they only had 39 on the roster, so they couldn't 60day Yoenis for den Dekker.
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| Edgy MD Jul 31 2018 08:37 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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You're right. As a nominal veteran, dD wouldn't have had the option of being optioned.
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| Edgy MD Aug 01 2018 03:12 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Or considering how burned up the pen was this evening, maybe tomorrow.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2018 04:18 AM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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build that Wahl
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| bmfc1 Aug 01 2018 01:03 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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"Jingleheimer Schmidt. His name is my name too."
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| Edgy MD Aug 01 2018 01:09 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Justine has been slacking off.
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| RealityChuck Aug 13 2018 03:47 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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And it looks like we're going to have a chance of seeing him: they're bringing him up today.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2018 03:52 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I don't know Jack
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 05:42 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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You'll know him as No. 72 on your scorecard.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2018 05:45 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Holy Phillip Evans
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| seawolf17 Aug 13 2018 06:05 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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The 53rd Met of the season.
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 06:18 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Needs to play to be No. 53, but the good news is the record is 54, so if Jack gets in a game, all we will need is one of the following to tie and two to surpass: • The return of T.J. Rivera • The return of Gavin Cecchini • The promotion of Peter Alonso • The return of David Wright Or a couple more Jack Reinheimers from out of nowhere. I think we've got a shot at history. Eat your heart out, 1967!
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| bmfc1 Aug 13 2018 06:37 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Who said that this was a lost season? The half-hour highlight film, after the 11 and 1 start, will simply be a montage of every player.
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 06:42 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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| seawolf17 Aug 13 2018 06:56 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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I meant the *major league* record, not the Met record. HISTORY, BABY!
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 06:58 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Damn, that's aspirational. Who used 64 players? A few weeks ago I saw Texas used 60 players in 2014, at that point the MLB record.
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 07:00 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Ah, what I found when I was searching was from the night the Rangers reached No. 60. It was they who used 64.
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| seawolf17 Aug 13 2018 07:03 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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They used 64 in 2014. 60 broke the record, and then they used four more.
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| Edgy MD Aug 13 2018 07:11 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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So then we need all those to happen ... plus:
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| G-Fafif Aug 13 2018 07:19 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Get me to 55 and I'll be satisfied. Fifty-Four in Sixty-Seven is that rare Mets record I've been conscious of seemingly my entire fan that's never been broken, right there with 40-120 and 25-7. I don't expect the latter to fall and lord help us if we ever approach the former.
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| RealityChuck Aug 17 2018 08:03 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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Looks like we'll be tied very soon: Mets place Bobby Wahl on DL, promote LHP Daniel Zamora
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 17 2018 09:40 PM Re: In-Trade Thread |
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This palooka went to Tom Koehler U, he's probably an idiot
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