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Cespedes needs surgery
| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 04:01 AM |
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Calcification on both of his heels causes pain. Compensation for that causes his leg problems. Needs surgery. 8-10 month recovery.
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| Edgy MD Jul 21 2018 04:29 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Wow. Too much milk! That's a new one.
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| MFS62 Jul 21 2018 10:56 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yep, I was hoping to read about the win last night. Instead, I got this happy wake up news this morning:
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 11:14 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Exactly. If management knew about this then why did he rehab for so long? If they did then why did Sandy question his recovery time? It was like Cespedes was telling the reporters and the Mets brass about this for the first time.
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| Lefty Specialist Jul 21 2018 11:15 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Boy, this must really be affecting his golf game.
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 11:24 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 21 2018 11:51 AM |
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He doesn't have to run while playing golf.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 21 2018 11:25 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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That's the way it seems to me, which is just too bizarromets for me to wrap my head around without a few more cups of joe.
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 11:50 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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All of this makes perfect sense if you imagine yourself an idiot that prioritizes selling tickets in a lost season above all else.
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 11:51 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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The Mets knew. He is examined by their doctors. This is not news to them. They were just hoping it would go away.
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| smg58 Jul 21 2018 11:58 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Unfortunately, yes. While the possibility that the Mets' front office and doctors missed this is regrettably plausible, the situation is entirely consistent with the Mets' tendency to get guys back on the field as quickly as possible, even when not in the team's best long-term interests.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 21 2018 12:09 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I don't know what to think at this point. Dropping that bomb on the public
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| bmfc1 Jul 21 2018 12:13 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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From Tim Britton in The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/440109/2018/07/ ... erm-plans/
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 01:57 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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The Wilpons' malfeasance in the realm of players playing through injuries is often attributed to a desire to sell tickets. Is anybody (and by "anybody," I mean a critical mass of potential customers) moved by the notion of seeing one particular home team player in this day and age, especially when the player is old news? Perhaps when there's a shot of adrenaline from a superstar being novel and fresh there's a rush on the gate, but is anybody really suddenly going to be, "Gotta go to Citi Field to watch Yoenis Cespedes in his fourth season as a Met?" Same for any marquee personality in recent years once the shine wears off; as great as they were, after a while the likes of Piazza, Martinez and Santana, to name three larger than life acquisitions, were just players on the downside of their respective careers.
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| Ashie62 Jul 21 2018 02:56 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 21 2018 03:25 PM |
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Another big contract gone totally bust.
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| cooby Jul 21 2018 03:09 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I thought you meant right away, you rabble rouser
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| cooby Jul 21 2018 03:10 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Oh wait...
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| G-Fafif Jul 21 2018 03:11 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yo won't be in the lineup today.
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| Ashie62 Jul 21 2018 03:25 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yesterday was a "Yo" sighting with quite the presser
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| metirish Jul 21 2018 03:40 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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You couldn't make this stuff up.
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| HahnSolo Jul 21 2018 04:45 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Gelbs on today’s pregame reporting a Mets source saying the team had no idea that surgery was a possibility.
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| Centerfield Jul 21 2018 08:56 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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It’s hard to understand how a club can be this incompetent.
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| smg58 Jul 22 2018 12:27 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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He's going for an MRI tomorrow with a visit to a foot specialist. This was probably what Cespedes wanted in the first place.
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| Ceetar Jul 22 2018 02:15 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I think quite the opposite.
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| Fman99 Jul 22 2018 02:19 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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So his comeback lasted one game? What a fuck fest.
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| Centerfield Jul 22 2018 02:27 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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It really is amazing how entrenched you are in your thinking. I would think if I was as consistently wrong about things as you are I would start second guessing myself. But you. You just keep chugging along.
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| Ceetar Jul 22 2018 03:03 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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If i was actually wrong, maybe. But I'm not. I just take almost nothing from anonymous Mets 'insiders' filtered through reports at face value. Really I'm just asking for some fucking critical thinking and the so called Mets "reporters" are incapable of it. The way they've treated Cespedes is pathetic. As pathetic as the Wilpons are, there's no way they're dumb enough to prioritize practically meaningless ticket revenue for a few months of a dead season for even a month of 2019 time when that potential revenue is probably worth 2x even without factoring in the exponential value of Cespedes being ready to go a month earlier and earning the Mets wins. Did Cespedes beg to be put on the DL? Did he beg out of those rehab games a month ago halfway through? Supposedly Cespedes was the one that asked to play first, not the Mets trying to force him to play through it.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 02:44 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/sport ... 816870002/ I wonder if Carlos Beltran is watching all of this, and if he thinks to get on the phone and tell Ces to just have the surgery. I would think that if the bad days keep him sidelined for two months, then he comes back, DH's one game, and is unavailable again, that yeah, there are too many bad days.
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 03:25 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Here's some fairly well researched facts from Stephania Bell about what's likely bothering Cespedes and the typical treatment for it.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 06:34 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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More of the quote. Let's understand the story Ricco is trying to peddle here. *The Mets and doctors have known about Cespedes's heel condition since before he ever signed with the Mets. It's a chronic thing, and it is something that he and the Mets have always tried to manage. *This weekend, for the first time, Cespedes has raised the issue of surgery. *Since Cespedes, seemingly on his own, has raised the issue of surgery, he is now going to see a foot specialist. We are told to keep in mind that surgery is a last resort, and conservative methods are recommended first. If you are to believe that story, that means that despite Cespedes having missed the bigger chunk of two years, and the team knowing all along that there were heel issues, that the conservative methods have not yet been employed. That somehow the team and Cespedes knew the heels were hurting, but never thought, hey, maybe we should try orthotics or episodes of rest. We are also led to believe that Cespedes raised the issue of surgery. Not any team doctors. Not any trainers. That this athlete from Cuba has raised the issue of surgery, and seemingly knows the recovery time. And now that he's raised the issue, he is going to see a specialist for the first time. I feel like I'm in some bizzarro world. The team's story, their excuse, their explanation for their incompetence, is that Ces has a chronic heel problem, but for two years, they didn't send him to a specialist, and are just now, going to try the conservative methods. This is beyond stupid. We all know what happened here. Ces has heel issues. Everyone knows it. When these leg problems arose in 2017, Ces saw team doctors. The doctors gave the diagnosis. Heel spurs. Conservative methods and rest were recommended. If that doesn't work, surgery as a last resort. No one wanted to go the surgery route. So Ces tried the conservative methods and rested. He rested until the pain died down enough, and then played through pain, and hoped to do so again in 2018. 2018 arrived. After a while, the heel problems came back. And so did the leg injuries. Ces rested, and rehabbed. It hasn't worked. Ces's heels are still "on fire". A frustrated Ces is resigned to the fact that surgery is necesary. Says so, but the Mets disagree. The Mets want him to play through the pain. They are at odds. Sandy, and the higher ups, call him out. Shame him publicly for being soft, or dogging it. Privately, they tell him they are not on board with the surgery and they won't sign off on it. This hurts Cespedes. He has been dedicated to the team and played through pain. He has no idea why they would call him out like that. He makes up his mind that he's going to throw the organization under the bus. Comes back, gets in front of the media. Drops his bombshell. I'm not soft. I'm fucking hurt. I need surgery. He knows full well the fan base will blow up. The Mets are caught with their pants down. They never expected Cespedes to go public. 24 hour gag order while they try to scramble for a story. This mess from Ricco is all they can come up with. Instead of coming clean, they decide to tell the public that he has not yet seen a specialist, and that they are going to try conservative methods starting now. Give me a fucking break.
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 06:55 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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see, your premise starts wrong.
All Cespedes did was mention it's something he has to consider. Everyone knew that the surgery was the end point they just didn't think there were there yet. It's absolutely infuriating that after months of barraging Cespedes to talk that they're killing them for being too open about it. I don't know where they were on the conservative timeline. I suspect the spurs were nowhere near as bad when they acquired him. It sounds like the heel itself was never the real issue. If you want to point fingers, I'd start with not instantly pegging the ancillary leg/hip issues as a result of compensating for the heel. It sounds like he made these physical adjustments (probably mentally, as we do when part of us hurts) and was mostly fine for a while, and when he later developed issues from that, perfectly normal ballplayer issues that happen to everyone, they didn't instantly think "well, maybe we should see if we can put some cushions in his shoe". Beyond that, the Mets (and/or Barwis I guess) are not, or at least ,were not (I've heard some positive things this year on this front) have not been doing things like monitoring nutrition or running mechanics (Hey Reyes, run differently!) , and all this advanced body metric/fit bit type stuff. That cutting edge science/tech stuff that could give teams an edge. (like feeding the minor leaguers!) That's always been my contention, that they don't push the damn envelope, or at least, what they think is pushing the envelope is really just hiring big name guys through nepotism like Barwis, who very well might just be fine, but they never quite fully vet these guys. It feels like typical rich people stuff "Do I know a guy who does X?" versus "Let's find the absolute best guy who does X". And THAT is where the Mets are actually poor at, though I can't speak to how most of the other rich owners find people.
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 07:11 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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First of all, no one is killing Cespedes for speaking. I'm doing just the opposite. I'm giving him tons of credit for going against these dickheads and going public with the heel spurs.
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| metirish Jul 23 2018 07:27 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I have not thought about it like this...damn, wow
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 07:28 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yes but he wasn't on the DL for the heel spurs. He was on the DL with the hip flexor. And how was Alderson expressing regret that he wasn't back yet asking him to play through pain? WHO do you think put Cespedes on the DL? How is that trashing him to the press and questioning his integrity? There's a difference between calling him out versus being frustrated he's injured.
Come on? You don't think this was them trying to keep his spurs healthy? The Mets have been controlling the message on injuries for a year or two now. They've seemingly been trying to keep the message coming from the FO and not from the manager, and seem to like to only address something once. At least that's the trends I'm seeing. Sandy called the situation chronic in the press conference a few months back. Mickey mentioned it before the series. But sure, the Mets didn't have any idea?
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| Centerfield Jul 23 2018 07:54 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Of course the Mets knew. That's what I've been saying.
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| Ceetar Jul 23 2018 08:11 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Then why are we asserting that the Mets were blindsided by Cespedes mentioning the surgery? They weren't. They merely, as usual, were clinging to the conservative approach and hadn't talked about the surgery. Hey reporters, can someone ask Cespedes if he felt this heel pain in the minors last week? Or do we have the DL to blame/thank for even knowing about this? If the Subway Series had been at Citi and they hadn't activated Cespedes, would he have just been scratched from a Vegas rehab game and then they'd have had this discussion privately?
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| MFS62 Jul 24 2018 01:20 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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The obfuscation and misdirection by the Mets hierarchy has reached the point where they will soon hire Michael Cohen as their attorney.
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 02:31 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Again, it helps to read my posts if you are going to engage in any sort of discussion, and especially if you are going to disagree with someone. As I stated above, this is what I think happened: *Cespedes has heel spurs. The diagnosis was given long ago, certainly by 2017. The doctors recommended conservative methods, and if unsuccessful, surgery. Cespedes and the team are aware of this. They both elected conservative methods. No one says anything about the heel condition. *2018. Conservative methods haven't worked and the problem persists. Cespedes has tried tried playing through pain and now wants surgery. The Mets want him to continue to play through pain. The Mets tell him to continue to say nothing about the heel condition and rehab to get back in 2018. *Sandy Alderson, despite knowing the debilitating condition that Cespedes has, never makes it public. Instead, openly questions the integrity of his star player. A guy who has been playing through pain. Gives the strong implication that Cespedes is dogging it. *Cespedes hears that. And is rightfully pissed. Decides that he's no longer going to play through pain, and that he's done listening to the Mets. *In his first game back, he drops the bombshell. He needs surgery. Mets are caught off guard, not because they didn't know he needed surgery, but because they didn't think he'd go to the press and make it public. *Mets don't know what to do. 24 hour gag order. *A day later, the Mets spin it and say they are sending him to a specialist. They know what the diagnosis is. They know how it's going to end up. They are just trying to figure out a way to save face.
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| Ceetar Jul 24 2018 02:42 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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none of the things you said there are factually supported.
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 04:08 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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You really don't read do you?
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 04:13 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Facts are bolded. My speculation is italicized. A lot of bold in this post. And the speculation, in my opinion, is fairly reasonable.
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| Ceetar Jul 24 2018 05:29 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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those aren't facts that are bolded.
The Mets put him on the DL when the pain didn't go away. Both them and Cespedes to this point were in agreement about the course of action. It's not on Alderson to make the specific condition public. That's a different argument about how forthcoming a team should be with a player's personal medical situation/injury. He DIDN'T question the integrity of the player, he expressed disappointment and frustration at the lack of recovery, which I'm sure Cespedes mimicked. There's no indication he was pissed. I think the only comment he made publicly the entire time was "I don't know if I could help even If I came back". He didn't drop a bombshell upon returning, he was just more forthcoming than the Mets expected. And again, this is with MORE information. This was post-feeling pain again. He talked to the press before he talked to the team/doctors, because it was literally post game. Again, gag order? Maybe? That's kinda fine. The Mets always got criticized for rushing to make statements without all the facts in a row, and like I inferred, they've been trying to focus the messaging, at least in regards to medical stuff. A "We'll address it via the front office at the next game" Is hardly a gag order, it was literally a direct and specific decision to address it via press conference versus leaking out tidbits from the various contacts of random reporters and risk sending mixed or conflicting messages.
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| Centerfield Jul 24 2018 07:52 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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| Ceetar Jul 24 2018 08:06 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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'people'? what's the question?
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| Ceetar Jul 24 2018 08:54 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Anyway, Mets and Cespedes are conferring now about whether or not to get surgery.
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| Ashie62 Jul 24 2018 11:11 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I had calcification in my shoulders. Calcium "flakes" settle in the joint like a snow globe. The calcium on the bone is easily scraped.
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| 41Forever Jul 25 2018 02:30 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Press conference with Ricco and Cespedes now. Having the surgery. Gone for eight-10 months.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 25 2018 02:45 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yup©, the story right here...
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| Ceetar Jul 25 2018 02:50 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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8-10, could be longer. separate surgeries for each heel (2-3 months apart, presumably so he can hobble around and isn't completely wheelchair bound)
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| metirish Jul 25 2018 03:08 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Well, this sucks, we have seen the last of his best I would think...
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| Ceetar Jul 25 2018 03:10 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Nah. This doesn't feel like one of those patch type surgeries. Plus this gives all the other hamstring/hip stuff time to fully heal and not be nagging. Better than ever when he returns.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 25 2018 03:34 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Typical Mets bullshit, this should have been done months and months ago. And
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 05:18 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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2020? He'll be 100 years old by then, coming off major surgery and having missed most of the last three seasons. Put a fork in him is more likely. Eight to ten months means a season and a half. Any second now, I'm gonna read here how great the Wilpons are and some ridiculous idea about how the Mets dont need to spend at luxury tax levels even though they play in the nation's largest market. Money doesn't matter, especially with these genius owners because if anybody can repeat what the Cubs and Astros pulled off, it's obviously Jeff Wilpon. Pivot Jeff, pivot!
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| TransMonk Jul 25 2018 05:28 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Yeah, anything is possible, but I would probably bet on "put a fork in him" over "better than ever".
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| d'Kong76 Jul 25 2018 05:32 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Why paint us here like that? It's mean, inaccurate and insulting.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 05:39 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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If the Mets shouldn't be spending at the luxury tax level, then nobody should. Which means that nobody should be signing Stanton or Harper or Machado at market rates. What's the difference where the comment appears? Is that the defense for all these years of insulting Wilpon defending?
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| d'Kong76 Jul 25 2018 05:47 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Don't fluffernut it, you labeled the place in advance and you're flat wrong.
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| Ashie62 Jul 25 2018 05:55 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Hopefully Cespedes can be a normal mobile person after surgery Elite Sports? Put a fork in it. He'd be 34
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| TransMonk Jul 25 2018 05:56 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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If you believe that he isn't actually older than he claims. :)
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 06:04 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Oh, okay then. I apologize for imagining things. /rolls eyes till they shoot out of my sockets and land in somebody's soup two counties over.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 06:10 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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2020 will be Yoenis's 35 year old season, the way these things are calculated. And that's if he didn't pull the Cuban baseball scam about lying about his age. Plus he'll have missed most of the last three seasons due to major surgery. That's like 75 in baseball years.
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| Ceetar Jul 25 2018 06:14 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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this is his age 32 season. he'll be back for the second half of his age 33 season, under contract through his 34th. He literally just hit a home run in the majors, and mashed this year before the aches caught up to him. So he'll be off for roughly a year, I wouldn't expect a huge dropoff. It's a fairly straight-forward surgery, as these things go.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 06:28 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Sure. That's if everything goes right and Yoenis and the Mets get the best possible result. Which is what you always take for granted is going to happen. You left out the part where next year, 11 Mets are gonna have the career seasons of their lifetimes.
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| Ceetar Jul 25 2018 06:36 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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If everything goes right, it's closer to the 8 in the "8-10" projected window and he gets about 3 weeks of rehab/spring games he could be back by Opening Day/early April. If it's 10, that's June 1st. So I'm literally suggesting we estimate nearly 2 more months. If you're going to add on at least 2-3 more, I suggest you cite something other than 'LOLMets' for that reasoning.
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2018 06:43 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I wasnt the one who said 2020. I said that if it's 2020, he's probably done.
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| Ceetar Jul 25 2018 07:14 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I'd imagine it depends on what the setback was that pushed him to 2020. Is it spinal stenosis? Did his foot fall off? is he dead?
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| Ashie62 Jul 25 2018 10:01 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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More like a degenerative chronic illness
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| Rockin' Doc Jul 26 2018 12:36 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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According to the article released regarding Cespedes' upcoming surgery, he will have surgery on one heel and then 2-3 months later he will undergo surgery on the second heel. So assuming the 1st surgery was to take place on August 1st, the second surgery would then take place at the earliest (using the mentioned 2-3 months delay between operations) on October 1st. Now, if we assume Cespedes takes the expected 8-10 months to heal, he would not be ready to start any rehab assignment until 8 months later (June 1st) at the earliest or 10 months later (August 1st) on the back end of the expected healing. Assuming he needs, 2-3 weeks of baseball rehab in the minors, then Cespedes isn't likely to make an appearance in a Mets uniform until this time next season if all goes ideally. I suspect that scenario is unlikely. At best, I expect Cespedes may make it back with the September call ups. Therefore, I believe the Mets would be best served by preparing for the 2019 season as if Cespedes will be out for the year (which is highly probable).
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| Centerfield Jul 26 2018 12:51 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Is it 8-10 months in the aggregate? Or for both?
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| d'Kong76 Jul 26 2018 01:05 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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It's hard to go the driving range in a wheel chair.
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| Rockin' Doc Jul 26 2018 01:11 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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The reports have not been clear regarding whether the healing time is 8-10 months following surgery or if he is expected to be out a total of 8-10 months with the proposed surgical plan.
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| Centerfield Jul 26 2018 01:14 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I mean, no one here actually posts that the Wilpons are great. But stretching and twisting to defend their actions? Absolutely. I can tell you one thing. When I get into these discussions, I'm not arguing against myself. And the Wilpon Apologists are not shy about being judgmental either. As if criticizing the owners of the team somehow make me less of fan, or less die-hard. And that's the way it usually goes. One of us criticizes the Wilpons. Someone else criticizes us.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 26 2018 01:41 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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It's some of the posters, part of our community. My beef with batmag's tone is that the board is full of Pollyanna-pro-Wilpon apologists and that's simply not the case. If one has an issue with a poster here, keep to the poster. Don't lump everyone in and call it here was all I was saying.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 26 2018 01:45 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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And it is a community, one that has stood the test of time for nearly two decades.
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| Centerfield Jul 26 2018 01:48 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Got it. Yes. Those opinions are certainly the minority.
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| 41Forever Jul 26 2018 01:56 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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There are Wilpon apologists among us?
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2018 02:42 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Mets need to get it through their heads: Yoenis Cespedes is done
https://nypost.com/2018/07/25/mets-need ... s-is-done/
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| Ceetar Jul 26 2018 03:55 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Gonna need clarity on this 8-10 month window, but it has to be from the first surgery right? It makes zero sense to ever float a timeline that's 2-3 months short of the truth?
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| batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2018 04:07 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Kernan is calculating 8-10 months after the surgery is completed. If the surgery is staggered (one heel at a time), that puts Cespedes's return at August of 2019. And that's an absolute best case scenario, timewise, let alone what condition he's gonna be in. Best case scenarios are unlikely, both logically, and statistically. Because they're best case scenarios. And that's my beef with your post and your analysis on pretty much everything. It's always an absolute best case scenario, it's always gonna be the player's best season ever. Every player. All the time.
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| Centerfield Jul 26 2018 11:38 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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It’s ridiculous that no reporter sought clarity on the time frame. It is the first thing everyone asks.
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| Ceetar Jul 26 2018 11:40 AM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I've already cited the facts as to why my post is not the best case scenario, and it's really besides the point. What does it matter if the ASB is wildly optimistic? Why does it offend you so much that I'm hopeful about some Mets things? I'm not even suggesting the Mets operate 2019 with a plan to play Cespedes 70 games post ASB. I'm merely stating I think that's the time frame we're looking at. Were you against this contract to begin with? Because surgery or not he'd be under contract in 2019 and 2020. If you think he'll be that diminished that much by age it was clearly a bad signing. If you think this surgery, which isn't exactly cutting edge new surgery with a low rate of success, is going to ruin him, why. (don't say "because it's the Mets" that's not a reason) It's meant to clear up something that's bothering him, something that took years to degenerate. I think there's probably little risk it becomes debilitating again in a year and a half before his time with the Mets is up. But saying, as Kernan did, that anything you get from Cespedes after and 8-10 month surgery encompassing and off-season for a player with 27 months left on his contract is just dumb.
I'm kinda just happy no one asked why he isn't doing both at once.
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| Ceetar Jul 26 2018 02:13 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I googled a bunch, which obviously isn't the same thing as talking to doctors or knowing his charts, but it seems to me like the general guidelines are 6-12 months to a heal from that surgery, so 6-12 from 3 months from now.
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| 41Forever Jul 26 2018 02:19 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I'm an optimist, but I'm starting to wonder if he's done, or at least never be the player he was.
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| d'Kong76 Jul 26 2018 02:25 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I was wondering this to myself yesterday in a humorous kinda way, but I suppose it's a good question. The load-bearing/swing foot makes sense un- less the other foot is worse off and the surgery is more work? We need to get someone here press creds. As one of our esteemed col- leagues says it's the questions that matter not the answers. Or something.
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| Ceetar Jul 26 2018 02:28 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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I don't think it matters how damaged they are. I think you're basically setting them back to the same place so to speak.
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| MFS62 Aug 02 2018 04:54 PM Re: Cespedes needs surgery |
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Surgery today:
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