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Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 05:28 PM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 25 2018 05:46 PM

Some internet place said the Padres are interested in Syndergaard. This is exactly the type of team the Mets should be talking to if they were to entertain trading Noah or Jake cause the Pads are loaded with high-end prospects. SD just landed top catching prospect Francisco Mejia from Cleveland in the trade for Brad Hand and Adam Cimber. This trade is a decent reference point as Cleveland gets control of Hand through 2020 (elite reliever and their main target in this trade) along with Cimber through 2023. Syndergaard is 25 and could not become a free agent until after the 2021 season, and I think it could be safely argued that he's more valuable than both Hand and Cimber combined. SO, what would you ask the Padres for in exchange for Noah Syndergaard? Clearly Fernando Tatis Jr. (their #1 prospect and MLB #3) is their top guy and third base is a black hole for the Mets. He just broke his thumb, but you start with him anyway for sure. McKenzie Gore is #2 in the system (and MLB's #13) is a 19-year old lefty the Pads drafted out of high school with the 3rd overall pick in the 2017 draft. Scouts goosh all over themselves talking about this guy, so I demand him, too. I think trying to pry Mejia, as well, would def be pushing it. But I'd say 'fuck it' and ask for the Pads #4 prospect, middle infielder Luis Urias(MLB #29) and then some unheralded A-ball lotto ticket. I think the Padres would prob say "no" first, but that's the kind of Chris Sale mega-return the Mets need if they're gonna trade one of these dudes. Out: Noah Syndergaard In: Fernando Tatis, Jr., McKenzie Gore, Luis Urias, A-Ball lotto ticket. I do this trade. Would you? What would you want back for Noah? What's realistic?

TransMonk Jul 25 2018 05:32 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

I'd do it. #committotherebuild

Ceetar Jul 25 2018 05:51 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

fuck prospects. None of them will approach being as good as Thor is. Keep him, win next year. It's not absurd.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 05:54 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Ceetar wrote: fuck prospects. None of them will approach being as good as Thor is. Keep him, win next year. It's not absurd. Thor was a heralded prospect we acquired who became good. Prospects become good all the time. Some of them great. Get several heralded ones and we could not only replace his production, but get better at multiple positions. It's not absurd.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2018 06:00 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Noah is a pitcher with great stuff who is on the cusp of being labeled injury prone. Let that act play out elsewhere Fernando Tatis Jr McKenzie Gore & Urias are all top 100 MLB Prospects. Then keep deGrom

Ceetar Jul 25 2018 06:05 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Ceetar wrote: fuck prospects. None of them will approach being as good as Thor is. Keep him, win next year. It's not absurd. Thor was a heralded prospect we acquired who became good. Prospects become good all the time. Some of them great. Get several heralded ones and we could not only replace his production, but get better at multiple positions. It's not absurd. sure, 'all the time' but it's still a crazy low percentage. Unless you're getting like, top 5 picks that are already mashing in the upper levels, it's a crapshoot. Keep the talented guy, fill in around him.

Nymr83 Jul 25 2018 06:13 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

would love to see the Mets try to win, but the return above is infinitely better than treading water. I wouldn't be too angry sure, 'all the time' but it's still a crazy low percentage. Unless you're getting like, top 5 picks that are already mashing in the upper levels, it's a crapshoot. Keep the talented guy, fill in around him. Tatis is 19 and playing very well at AA, he borders on that

Ceetar Jul 25 2018 06:17 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Sure, but this is with an eye towards 2021-2022 and I'd rather focus on 2019-2020. But yes, if the Mets intend to punt and rebuild, absolutely trade him, that's almost a given.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2018 06:18 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Ashie62 wrote: Fernando Tatis Jr McKenzie Gore & Urias are all top 100 MLB Prospects. Just make sure to look back through previous Top-100 lists and see how many of those names you don't recognize because they never became anything, or even those names that you do recognize but are playing niche roles rather than as stars.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 06:23 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Fernando Tatis Jr McKenzie Gore & Urias are all top 100 MLB Prospects. Just make sure to look back through previous Top-100 lists and see how many of those names you don't recognize because they never became anything, or even those names that you do recognize but are playing niche roles rather than as stars. Of course.

seawolf17 Jul 25 2018 06:46 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

NO. DISLIKE.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 06:54 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

It's super important that we extend the Metly Tatis family line.

41Forever Jul 25 2018 08:24 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

I think pitching is what you build around, and a 25-yearold elite starter can be elite for another five to seven years. And he's perfect for New York. I get trading off soon-to-be free agents. But unless a talent like Mike Trout is coming back, I don't want to move Syndergaard.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 08:33 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

41Forever wrote: I think pitching is what you build around, and a 25-yearold elite starter can be elite for another five to seven years. And he's perfect for New York. I get trading off soon-to-be free agents. But unless a talent like Mike Trout is coming back, I don't want to move Syndergaard. Mike Trout is already the best player in baseball, better and more accomplished than most hall of famers at his age. So no one is getting Mike Trout or Mookie Betts or a current megastar of Major League Baseball for Noah Syndergaard. Now. The Mets are bad. They were bad last year. If one thinks the Mets can hang onto Syndergaard and be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there's no reason to trade him. If one thinks the Mets will not be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there is motivation to trade him for multiple, potential stars. To state the obvious: any trade has risk and there are no sure things with prospects. So if one thinks trading Syndergaard is the right move to make, then try to get elite prospects with less risk, so you can hopefully turn one good thing into 3 or 4 good things in a year or 2. I don't think the Mets are going to compete for a championship next year or moving forward and I don't think they will increase payroll to overcome the shitload of shortcomings this team has. I think trading Syndegaard for elite pieces is a very wise move.

41Forever Jul 25 2018 08:52 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I think pitching is what you build around, and a 25-yearold elite starter can be elite for another five to seven years. And he's perfect for New York. I get trading off soon-to-be free agents. But unless a talent like Mike Trout is coming back, I don't want to move Syndergaard. Mike Trout is already the best player in baseball, better and more accomplished than most hall of famers at his age. So no one is getting Mike Trout or Mookie Betts or a current megastar of Major League Baseball for Noah Syndergaard. Now. The Mets are bad. They were bad last year. If one thinks the Mets can hang onto Syndergaard and be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there's no reason to trade him. If one thinks the Mets will not be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there is motivation to trade him for multiple, potential stars. To state the obvious: any trade has risk and there are no sure things with prospects. So if one thinks trading Syndergaard is the right move to make, then try to get elite prospects with less risk, so you can hopefully turn one good thing into 3 or 4 good things in a year or 2. I don't think the Mets are going to compete for a championship next year or moving forward and I don't think they will increase payroll to overcome the shitload of shortcomings this team has. I think trading Syndegaard for elite pieces is a very wise move. I get that as a rationale for trading de Grom, who is older. But if Syndergaard is just 25, he'd still be in his prime as all the years when things start to come back together, no?

A Boy Named Seo Jul 25 2018 09:11 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

41Forever wrote: 41Forever wrote: I think pitching is what you build around, and a 25-yearold elite starter can be elite for another five to seven years. And he's perfect for New York. I get trading off soon-to-be free agents. But unless a talent like Mike Trout is coming back, I don't want to move Syndergaard. Mike Trout is already the best player in baseball, better and more accomplished than most hall of famers at his age. So no one is getting Mike Trout or Mookie Betts or a current megastar of Major League Baseball for Noah Syndergaard. Now. The Mets are bad. They were bad last year. If one thinks the Mets can hang onto Syndergaard and be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there's no reason to trade him. If one thinks the Mets will not be a championship contender next year and moving forward, then there is motivation to trade him for multiple, potential stars. To state the obvious: any trade has risk and there are no sure things with prospects. So if one thinks trading Syndergaard is the right move to make, then try to get elite prospects with less risk, so you can hopefully turn one good thing into 3 or 4 good things in a year or 2. I don't think the Mets are going to compete for a championship next year or moving forward and I don't think they will increase payroll to overcome the shitload of shortcomings this team has. I think trading Syndegaard for elite pieces is a very wise move. I get that as a rationale for trading de Grom, who is older. But if Syndergaard is just 25, he'd still be in his prime as all the years when things start to come back together, no? Yes, I agree with you. And the Pads interest in Noah is probably exactly for those reasons you cited. He is young and if they can get good in a year or two, he'll just be entering his prime. And they probably feel they have a deep enough system where they can part with some excellent pieces to get him and still become a good team in the near future. deGrom makes more sense for a team like the Dodgers or Brewers who wants to win NOW!!!! But if we could get Walker Buehler, Alex Verdugo and Keibert Ruiz for him, I'd make that trade, too. From the Mets standpoint, we've been unable to get over with deGrom and Syndergaard. If we keep either or both of those dudes, then we need to fill other holes via trade or free agency, which the Mets have tried to do, but I think they've done so shittily and cheaply. Littering the roster with young, high-ceiling players can work. The Cubs did it, won a ring. The Astros did it, won a ring. No guarantees, of course, but it definitely can work. Plus, it's cheap as hell for a few years, which the Wilpons will love.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2018 11:10 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

I think I'd do this, merely because it extends the Tim Bogar Trade Chain: Tim Bogar traded to Houston for Luis Lopez who went to Milwaukee for Bill Pulsipher who went to Arizona for Lenny Harris, who went to Milwaukee for Jeromy Burnitz whose trade to Los Angeles yielded Victor Diaz who was traded to Texas for Mike Nickeas who went along to Toronto for dArnaud and Syndergaard

Edgy MD Jul 25 2018 11:31 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Hey! Shut up about trading deGrom!!! Unfortunately, there ain't no guarantees. That's why the games are played and blah-blah-yadda. Even Mike Trout went as low as 25th overall in the draft. And though MLB.com had him ranked #1 overall in 2011, he was fading to #3 (!) by the time he debuted. He may pull a Pujols and go from best-guy-in-the-league to just-another-guy as soon a he signs the big deal. I want to keep Syndergaard too. Badly. But trading him and keeping him are both choices filled with peril.

cooby Jul 26 2018 12:14 AM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

I am against trading any good and popular players away for any reason. Especially if they are young and can be used to build a team around them

metsmarathon Jul 26 2018 12:46 AM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

don't trade noah syndergaard. you wouldn't like µmmL when he's angry.

Rockin' Doc Jul 26 2018 12:59 AM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I don't think the Mets are going to compete for a championship next year or moving forward and I don't think they will increase payroll to overcome the shitload of shortcomings this team has. I think trading Syndegaard for elite pieces is a very wise move. I would agree with this assessment. Unless the team significantly improves the offense and the bullpen prior to the start of next season, I honestly can't see this team being a contender for a play off spot next season. I would hate to part with Syndergaard, but this team can't win without an influx of offensive talent. However, since I have very little faith that the ownership/management will make wise personnel decisions and invest in filling the numerous holes in the roster, then I would be very reluctant to trade Syndergaard. I expect Mets fans are in for another long and disappointing season in 2019.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2018 02:24 AM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

That the Padres were in town this week makes it a logical time for writers to think about possible trades. The NY Post took advantage of their visit this week to do just that suggesting that "... as the Padres’ advance indicates, plenty of interest will still exist in the offseason [and they] are particularly poised to act because they have six of the top 33 prospects, according to MLB Pipeline, and 10 of the top 100. Also, under GM A.J. Preller, they have shown boldness in going for it ... such as when they went for Craig Kimbrel, Matt Kemp, James Shields and Justin Upton, and signing Eric Hosmer last offseason. I should probably add here that none of those moves actually worked but perhaps it's still a part of their mindset. Also, according to the MLB.com mid-season update on prospects, the Padres have the #3 overall in Fernando Tatis Jr. Also the #s 15 in newly acquired (C/OF) Francisco Mejia; #29 2B/SS Luis Urias; #32 RHP Cal (son of Paul) Quantrill; and #33 RHP Michael Baez That's an impressive group although these things are always based on potential so you'd want to look into each to find out how far away, etc. Sometimes the higher the potential the farther (and therefore the less likely) a player is from reaching that level.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 26 2018 02:16 PM Re: Trading Syndergaard: A Thought Exercise

Frayed Knot wrote: That the Padres were in town this week makes it a logical time for writers to think about possible trades. The NY Post took advantage of their visit this week to do just that suggesting that "... as the Padres’ advance indicates, plenty of interest will still exist in the offseason [and they] are particularly poised to act because they have six of the top 33 prospects, according to MLB Pipeline, and 10 of the top 100. Also, under GM A.J. Preller, they have shown boldness in going for it ... such as when they went for Craig Kimbrel, Matt Kemp, James Shields and Justin Upton, and signing Eric Hosmer last offseason. I should probably add here that none of those moves actually worked but perhaps it's still a part of their mindset. Sure. If anything, those failures explain why the Pads seem to be trying to trade for young, controllable guys instead of "going for it" with big FAs. Seems a lot smarter, given their market and finances. And regarding the Mets and Padres just playing a series, trade talk afterword doesn't surprise me at all. It always blows me away the number of trades at the winter meetings just cause the GMs are all under the same roof. Like these guys don't have phones or something. Put 2 GMs in the same room and they're probably gonna talk about trading dudes, even if most of it is just bullshitting. Frayed Knot wrote: Also, according to the MLB.com mid-season update on prospects, the Padres have the #3 overall in Fernando Tatis Jr. Also the #s 15 in newly acquired (C/OF) Francisco Mejia; #29 2B/SS Luis Urias; #32 RHP Cal (son of Paul) Quantrill; and #33 RHP Michael Baez That's an impressive group although these things are always based on potential so you'd want to look into each to find out how far away, etc. Sometimes the higher the potential the farther (and therefore the less likely) a player is from reaching that level. Yes, 100% of trades for prospects will be based on potential, and these guys possess several who everyone regard as having a great deal of potential. They can trade 2 of their very best and still expect to have a bunch of young, very talented players ready for the show around the same time. If nothing at all happens, I still think the Padres make a great trading partner with Mets.