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IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

G-Fafif Oct 11 2018 05:09 PM

Game 1 at Miller Park Friday night. Clayton Kershaw vs. Gio Gonzalez of all people.

bmfc1 Oct 12 2018 05:47 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Here's a weird fact about Gio Gonzalez: he only hit two batters all season and it was Jose Bautista, twice: once when Bautista was a Met and once when Bautista was a Phillie.

MFS62 Oct 12 2018 06:27 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I can't bring myself to root for Gio to win, so I'll root for the other team to lose. Later

seawolf17 Oct 12 2018 06:45 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

bmfc1 wrote: Here's a weird fact about Gio Gonzalez: he only hit two batters all season and it was Jose Bautista, twice: once when Bautista was a Met and once when Bautista was a Phillie. It's silly stuff like this that makes me love baseball more.

Fman99 Oct 12 2018 06:53 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Joe Buck is an insufferable windbag. Still.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 07:21 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

The f#ck's a Brandon Woodruff? These Brewers are making Kershaw work.

MFS62 Oct 12 2018 07:25 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Got home too late for the ceremonial first pitch by Bob Uecker. Was it just a bit outsiiiiide? Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 07:40 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: These Brewers are making Kershaw work. As are the Dodgers' gloves.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 07:47 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 12 2018 08:08 PM

Lew Alcindor is, right now, kicking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ass. [fimg=220:3hqmwtmh]https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/-/media/Images/SBJ-Photos/2014/02/10/Champions-Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.ashx?la=en&hash=4421B7AF5F88A946093AF2749B7FD297936E899F[/fimg:3hqmwtmh] [fimg=440:3hqmwtmh]https://s22928.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar-640x454.jpg[/fimg:3hqmwtmh]

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 07:51 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Two Tuff Trivia Qs concerning the Brewers & Dodgers (stolen from today's NY Times) - Only two batters have had 1,000 ABs for both franchises? - Only one pitcher has thrown at least 500 innings? At least, given the Brewers lifespan dates only since 1970, the names will be familiar to most since they played during most of our lifespans and we're not going for players from the FDR administration. That, however, doesn't make them easy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 08:02 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Pitcher: Don Sutton? Batters: Um... Jeromy Burnitz and Jeff Cirillo?

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 08:04 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Sutton is correct. Nicely done. No go on the hitters though

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 08:13 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Billy Martin once accused the Brewers of using Bernie Brewer to steal signs from his perch in CF. It was later explained to Billy that 'Bernie' was some exec's flunky nephew who wasn't bright enough to steal a kiss much less steal and then relay covert signals.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 08:28 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Hader's gonna hade: 2 innings, 4 Ks, 2 fair balls, 1 hit

Centerfield Oct 12 2018 08:33 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Yeah, fuck Hader. I can’t imagine anyone looking more like a dickhead than him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 08:53 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I feel like if someone in the Brewers clubhouse gets a hankerin' to celebrate a win by holing up in a motel with his good friend Crystal... Hader just might know a guy. Or three. That Aguilar, however... he's a damn delight. Like Jolly Cespedes. Frayed Knot wrote: Sutton is correct. Nicely done. No go on the hitters though Marquis Grissom?

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 09:04 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Not Marquis Grissom. Also not Duke Snider, Prince Fielder, Dave Kingman, Mel Queen, Earl Averill, or John 'The Count' Montefusco One of the answers also has NYM connections (but not Jeromy Burnitz)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 09:36 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Machado has a chance here to put the Dodgers down 1 AND give himself a nice Beltran bump in the off-season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2018 09:40 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Ohboy

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 10:01 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

He was out but, Good Lord, Bellinger is fast!!

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2018 10:14 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

And the rebel Knebel closes it out.

Centerfield Oct 12 2018 10:17 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Aguilar kinda looks like an uglier fatter Cespedes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 13 2018 08:20 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: Aguilar kinda looks like an uglier fatter Cespedes. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: That Aguilar, however... he's a damn delight. Like Jolly Cespedes. HA If this ballgame is a portent for the series... this'll be a fun one for us neutrals.

HahnSolo Oct 13 2018 09:01 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Is Sheffield one of the 1000 AB guys?

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2018 02:39 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

HahnSolo wrote: Is Sheffield one of the 1000 AB guys? Yes, and Greg Brock is the other.

G-Fafif Oct 13 2018 03:14 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

The important thing is the burgers will be free come Thursday.

Lefty Specialist Oct 13 2018 04:39 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Looks like Marlins guy behind the plate picked up a girlfriend with major league cleavage.....

TransMonk Oct 13 2018 07:13 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

That’s Front Row Amy. She’s had those seats at Miller Park for years.

MFS62 Oct 14 2018 07:52 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Tuned in mid-game, mid sentence, and the radio guy was saying something about Justin Turner having the third best post-season OPS in history behind Lou Gehrig and someone else (I forget who). Anybody else hear that and can confirm it? Later

Centerfield Oct 15 2018 07:59 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Frayed Knot wrote: Lew Alcindor is, right now, kicking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ass. [fimg=220]https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/-/media/Images/SBJ-Photos/2014/02/10/Champions-Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.ashx?la=en&hash=4421B7AF5F88A946093AF2749B7FD297936E899F[/fimg] [fimg=440]https://s22928.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar-640x454.jpg[/fimg] I like just got this.

Centerfield Oct 15 2018 08:01 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

TransMonk wrote: That’s Front Row Amy. She’s had those seats at Miller Park for years. This is terrific. Big boobs + Front Row seats = celebrity What a country.

Fman99 Oct 15 2018 09:53 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: TransMonk wrote: That’s Front Row Amy. She’s had those seats at Miller Park for years. This is terrific. Big boobs + Front Row seats = celebrity What a country. She's got two qualities I admire in a gal, right out of the gate.

Fman99 Oct 15 2018 09:53 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

1. She loves baseball. 2. She keeps score of the game manually.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2018 09:53 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Front Row Amy for President in 2020. She can't be any worse than what we already have.

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2018 01:47 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Lew Alcindor is, right now, kicking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ass. [fimg=110]https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/-/media/Images/SBJ-Photos/2014/02/10/Champions-Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.ashx?la=en&hash=4421B7AF5F88A946093AF2749B7FD297936E899F[/fimg] [fimg=220]https://s22928.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar-640x454.jpg[/fimg] I like just got this. Sometimes the more obscure references are the best ones, especially seeing as how a sizable number of folk don't know (or forgot) about his previous name or that he was ever anything other than a Laker. He was actually already calling himself KAJ partway through his tenure with the Bucks, but I wasn't about to let an inconvenient fact get in the way of a good joke.

Centerfield Oct 15 2018 08:15 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Yelich just bunted and walked to first. Infuriating to watch these good teams do what the Mets refused to do all year long.

Centerfield Oct 16 2018 08:35 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

It struck me last night as I was watching Josh Hader blow away the Dodgers in the 8th. He's going to be the World Series MVP. The Brewers are going to win the whole thing and that dickhead is going to end up the MVP. You'll hear things like "redemption" and "maturity" and "the person he is now", but have no doubt about it the guy with the racist, homophobic tweets will win the MVP. And the crowd that gave him the standing ovation will be celebrating in the streets. Then Mark Attanasio will invite Bud Selig to join the celebration and we'll honor his lifetime of achievements. The fraudster who had to pay $280 million in damages for collusion, and made a career out of self-dealing, will end up sipping champagne. This will come a few weeks after the judge accused of sexual assault is confirmed to the Supreme Court, having been appointed by the President, also accused of sexual assault and, like Selig, found liable for fraud. 2018 ladies and gentlemen.

TransMonk Oct 16 2018 10:38 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I would add that Ryan Braun's 2012 PED denial was 2018 way before 2018. From a 2013 Business Insider story: Braun started with denials: "If I had done this intentionally, or unintentionally, I'd be the first one to step up and say 'I did it.' By no means am I perfect, but if I have ever made any mistakes in my life, I have taken responsibility for my actions...I truly believe in my heart, and would bet my life that this substance never entered my body at any point." He then blamed others for tarnishing his name, and that he was putting the game ahead of himself: "There were a lot of times when I wanted to come out and tell the entire story, to attack everybody as I've been attacked, as my name's been dragged through the mud as everything I've worked for my entire life was called into question. There were a lot of times I wanted to come out, tell the entire story, but at the end of the day I recognized what's actually best for the game of baseball and I put that ahead of what was actually best for myself." He claimed he was fighting for others that were wrongly accused: "I've always stood up for what is right. Today is about everybody who's been wrongly accused, and everybody who's ever had to stand up for what is actually right...I will continue to take the high road because that's who I am, and that's the way that I've lived my life. We won because the truth is on my side." And wanted everybody to know that he was the victim: "I am a victim of a process that completely broke down and failed the way it was applied to me in this case." But instead of taking the high road, he then suggested that the test collector was up to no good and wondered aloud if somebody was framing him: "What could have possibly happened to it during that 44-hour period (before the collector took the urine sample to FedEx)? There were a lot of things that we learned about the collector, about the collection process, about the way that the entire thing worked that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened...We spoke to biochemists and scientists and we asked them, 'How difficult would it be to tamper with somebody's sample?' And their response was that, 'If they were motivated, it would be extremely easy.'" He is a cheater AND a liar. It wasn't like he fibbed in response to a question from reporters. He went out of his way to orchestrate a press conference so that he could LIE to the Milwaukee fan base. They still cheer for him like nothing happened. If he were on my team, I'd take some time off from baseball until he was gone. It's amazing to me what people will endure to support their tribe and hope that they win at all costs. /end political analogy

Ceetar Oct 16 2018 12:38 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

yeah but I don't care about either of those things. I don't care that he took steroids, and I don't care that he went full-lawyer on taking down the charges. That's how our legal system 'works'. Of course, MLB is not the law and they suspended him anyway. Especially now year later, I'm not sure why Brewers fans should care that he took a dubious substance that had an unknown effect on his baseball abilities. And I'm always going to side with the players not being able to be arbitrarily suspended for shadowy associations with organizations that MLB doesn't like. It grants them way too much power imo.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2018 01:17 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Ceetar wrote: yeah but I don't care about either of those things. I don't care that [Braun] took steroids, and I don't care that he went full-lawyer on taking down the charges. You might want to care about him, based on no evidence or even hints at all, accusing the guy collecting the sample of intentionally tampering it due to his rampant (though never explained) anti-semitism. That's how our legal system 'works'. Of course, MLB is not the law and they suspended him anyway. MLB is the law within MLB and within the confines of the agreement with the player's union. Braun wasn't convicted of a crime by MLB (although that collector guy could have sued for defamation and who knows what else) but he was found, by scientific evidence, guilty of breaking the rules that the league AND his side agreed to. And I'm always going to side with the players not being able to be arbitrarily suspended for shadowy associations with organizations that MLB doesn't like. Arbitrary? Really, you're going with word in this case? And it wasn't for "shadowy associations" is was for drug use. And it wasn't for the case when he accused the sampler of an illegal act it was the one AFTER THAT ONE that showed he was not only a drug cheat but that he was a liar about the first positive test as well [as per Monk's comments]. But I'm guessing you're gonna stick with "arbitrary", huh? If you want to celebrate drug use then go right ahead, but don't pretend this was Joe Namath as part owner of a bar and Selig/MLB retroactively imposed a ban on co-owning slimy bars. It grants them way too much power imo. Again I'll refer to the 'both sides agreed' thingie. Inconvenient I know but also, y'know, factual.

Ceetar Oct 16 2018 01:26 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

okay, buying thing from Biogensis <> taking banned substances. That's all I'm saying. Maybe there's more convincing evidence, which they agreed to keep quiet, but some of the stuff MLB got up to was very shadowy too. Sending people to shake down informants and all that. It was, and remains, a damned witch hunt. They were looking specifically for information to justify suspending A-Rod. Whether or not Braun is an asshole, we've got plenty of those, that's a different issue. The PEDs? fuck it. they're all still using it. they were all using it. Stand up for yourself and fight it. I don't know what the union thought it was protecting by agreeing to this.

Centerfield Oct 16 2018 01:41 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Sometimes I just can't even believe the arguments he proposes.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2018 03:15 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Ceetar wrote: okay, buying thing from Biogensis <> taking banned substances. That's all I'm saying. Braun wasn't involved with Biogenesis but rather his regularly scheduled urine sample, the one required by the basic agreement, turned up dirty. And then when he got off on a technicality he went and demeaned the courier/tester by supplying false reasons on no evidence, AND THEN PROMPTLY GOT CAUGHT AGAIN and admitted that, yeah, he took them and, btw, I took them the previous time too. Maybe there's more convincing evidence, which they agreed to keep quiet There was nothing quiet about any of this. First test = positive, but he got off on a questionable chain/time of custody issue. Second test = positive at which point he admitted that the first one was actually positive too and the whole part about the tester intentionally spiking it was a lie. but some of the stuff MLB got up to was very shadowy too. Sending people to shake down informants and all that. It was, and remains, a damned witch hunt. They were looking specifically for information to justify suspending A-Rod. Who brought up ARod? Whether or not Braun is an asshole, we've got plenty of those, that's a different issue. No, that's the specific issue which Monk brought up. The PEDs? fuck it. they're all still using it. they were all using it. Again, if you want to support the free and unfettered use of PEDs go right ahead. But you keep changing the subject and have brought up enough conspiracy theories that faked moon landing folks are starting to think that you're a bit dizzy, and are churning out enough 'alternate facts' to have the White House applauding. Stand up for yourself and fight it. He did, he lost. I don't know what the union thought it was protecting by agreeing to this. The players who didn't want to face the choice of endangering their health vs being put at a competitive disadvantage.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2018 03:27 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: Sometimes I just can't even believe the arguments he proposes. Ceetarted.

TransMonk Oct 16 2018 05:38 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Whether or not Braun is an asshole, we've got plenty of those, that's a different issue. No, that's the specific issue which Monk brought up. This. Lots of players get caught cheating. You could definitely convince the cynic in me that that situation is now just somewhat baked into baseball. Players cheat, they get caught, they serve a suspension. Most of those guys fess up, give a mumbled apology to a group of reporters at their locker, promise to do better and then serve their time. But Braun lied. Intentionally. To the fans that supported him and hailed him as a hero. Even at my most cynical, that is a mortal sin. But the Brewers fans cheer him. I've spent a lot of time around Brewers fans and they very rarely bring it up...almost like it never happened. They cheered on Hader, too, at his time of controversy. Most, not because they are racist or homophobic, but because he wears the laundry and they want to support and protect members of their tribe.

Centerfield Oct 16 2018 05:52 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Yup. And because he’s one of their’s those minor transgressions are hardly enough to turn on him as long as he keeps shutting the other team down. Just like Republicans don’t necessarily condone sexual assault. But it seems silly to let something trivial like that keep you from promoting a member of your team.

Ceetar Oct 16 2018 07:58 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Sorry, I crossed more broadly into the steroid thing at large, hence A-Rod. I just see it as an example of the league abusing authority and makes me slightly sympathetic of guys that fight back, lie, etc. But then I expect that of all the players anyway. TransMonk wrote: But Braun lied. Intentionally. To the fans that supported him and hailed him as a hero. Even at my most cynical, that is a mortal sin. But the Brewers fans cheer him. I've spent a lot of time around Brewers fans and they very rarely bring it up...almost like it never happened. I mean, that's a fine stance. I get it, I just don't think of players as 'heroes'. I don't really put much stock into what they say and do off the field. Sure, there's some cool added value for guys like David Wright, but for most of 'em, whatever. They're almost uniformly douchy type-A alpha males assholes. Just talk about baseball and I don't need to hear about your love for the Village cheeseshop. Didn't Mets fans pretty universally get behind Bartolo Colon? We mostly ignored the Johan Santana incident. Plenty of people are fine with Reyes and even Familia who maybe was 'less guilty'? Not going to throw too many stones at Brewers fans for getting over the Braun thing, who only really hurt the team via missing games/suspension and even that was carefully timed so it didn't bleed into the following season. Cheering Hader's return is hard to swallow though. I get once he's back and playing and making outs, fine, you cheer the positive result, but this was more than that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2018 09:45 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Granderson shouldn't be wearing a double-digit uni number.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2018 11:57 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Extras! Playoffs! But... [Looks both ways] ... this is Kinda Shitty Baseball.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2018 12:25 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

DOYERS

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2018 07:30 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Extras! Playoffs! But... [Looks both ways] ... this is Kinda Shitty Baseball. But at least it was long and slow. The inning Josh Hader pitched (bottom 8) he threw a not-that-unusual 20 pitches to get through the frame, but it also took 18 minutes to play. That was mostly thanks to two replay reviews (I believe on consecutive pitches) neither of which was overturned or looked that they were all that close to me. But it's not like the rest of the game was moving quickly either. More pitchers used (17), and more than twice as many strikeouts recorded (32), than hits (15)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 17 2018 08:19 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Yeah I gave up in the 9th, just couldn;t stay awake

Centerfield Oct 17 2018 09:33 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I liked that they burned Hader and still lost. If they do the "no pitching 3 consecutive days" thing, then he's not available tonight. You think Counsell still feels good about pitching him for 2 outs with a 4-0 lead?

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2018 05:53 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Kershaw hustles on the bases more than Manny. He's walked twice today and had to scamper to 3rd on a double before scoring an important run in the 7th. 5-1 Dodgers and counting. Brewers got to Kershaw for a run early and threatened again in the 2nd, but have nothing since vs what looks like vintage Kershaw. Craig Counsell went with lefty starter Wade Miley ... then removed him after one batter so the righty Woodruff could face a Dodger lineup with most, but not all, of their LHBs sitting. And that worked for a while with only one unearned run against Miley, but now they're into the (real) pen and the Dodgers are pulling away.

Centerfield Oct 17 2018 06:01 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Counsell is a bit too cute with his moves for me. Hope LA puts this away.

Fman99 Oct 17 2018 07:16 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Fucking 4:30 playoff games suck. Totally missed 100% of this.

Centerfield Oct 18 2018 09:30 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Does anyone know the rule on starting pitchers? Is there a minimum they have to throw? I feel like Counsell may have just opened up a can of worms here. What's to stop a manager from publicly announcing that Steven Matz is your starter, then submit a lineup card with Zack Wheeler. Or to submit Matz in your lineup card, then say he got hurt jogging out to the mound and start Wheeler in his place. (Wheeler having warmed up in secret) Does one team have to submit a lineup card and commit before another?

Ceetar Oct 18 2018 10:05 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: Does anyone know the rule on starting pitchers? Is there a minimum they have to throw? I feel like Counsell may have just opened up a can of worms here. What's to stop a manager from publicly announcing that Steven Matz is your starter, then submit a lineup card with Zack Wheeler. Or to submit Matz in your lineup card, then say he got hurt jogging out to the mound and start Wheeler in his place. (Wheeler having warmed up in secret) Does one team have to submit a lineup card and commit before another? (f) The pitcher named in the batting order handed the umpire-inchief, as provided in Rules 4.02(a) and 4.02(b), shall pitch to the first batter or any substitute batter until such batter is put out or reaches first base. home has to present lineup card first, then the visitor. but the umpire doesn't give the copies to the other side until after verifying them. You'd burn Matz in that situation, which is probably fine, but given rotations you're not fooling anyone with that. If you've got six guys you could presumably start Matz for one batter and sub in deGrom who was scheduled for tomorrow.

Centerfield Oct 18 2018 10:11 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Ceetar wrote: home has to present lineup card first, then the visitor. but the umpire doesn't give the copies to the other side until after verifying them. So if this is the case, you could publicly announce Steven Matz as your game 2 starter, have him throw in the bullpen, post the lineup on twitter, then submit a lineup card with Noah Syndergaard and the other team would be stuck. Yes?

Ceetar Oct 18 2018 11:41 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Centerfield wrote: Ceetar wrote: home has to present lineup card first, then the visitor. but the umpire doesn't give the copies to the other side until after verifying them. So if this is the case, you could publicly announce Steven Matz as your game 2 starter, have him throw in the bullpen, post the lineup on twitter, then submit a lineup card with Noah Syndergaard and the other team would be stuck. Yes? yup. It'd be especially easy in the playoffs these days, because teams are squeezing every ounce of advantage they can, so even Syndergaard would probably only really pitch twice through the order, and you could still presumably use Matz that day. That would probably be the trick. Announce Thor-Matz to see if they'll put in their lefties, and then switch 'em. Let Matz start with the platoon advantage and leave him in to see if you get the opposition to put in their righty guys, probably in that key spot in the 5th or 6th, and then BOOM go to Thor.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2018 12:58 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Teams have always announced starting pitchers prior to the beginning of series, regular series certainly, post series closer to one or two games at a time. But there's nothing official about them until it's on a lineup card and there's no rule that says a team is required to tell the other side who they expect to start as soon as their stagecoach arrives in town. It's been more tradition than anything and that tradition could be taking a hit with stunts like Counsell's or just in this whole age of "openers" or "initial out-getters" replacing those old 'expect-em-to-go-at-least-twice-thru-the-order' starter guys.

Centerfield Oct 18 2018 01:04 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Frayed Knot wrote: It's been more tradition than anything and that tradition could be taking a hit with stunts like Counsell's Exactly. I mean we could well be entering an era where you go to the ballpark and have no idea who's taking the mound that day. I mean, during the regular season, you get some predictability. But skipping the fifth starter, or a guy is a late scratch...what's the point in announcing your lineup? Keep it a secret and let the other side guess how to make their lineup. I wonder if Counsell has opened up a real can of worms here.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2018 01:39 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

It could very well be a new way of doing things, but I'm not sure it would be in can-of-worms territory.

MFS62 Oct 18 2018 02:00 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Baseball's been eating those worms for a long time. One of the radio talking heads said John McGraw would warm up two pitchers prior to a World Series game and decide on the starter just before the first pitch. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2018 02:26 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Yeah, post-season has always been a bit of a different animal. There's the old story about Don Larsen learning he was going to pitch on his WS perfect game day only when he showed up to the park and saw the the non-verbal sign from Casey: his glove on the stool in front of his locker with a fresh baseball in it. But it is quite possible that long lasting gentleman's agreement of sorts about announcing your starters at the beginning of each series will slowly start to break down.

Ceetar Oct 18 2018 02:28 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Frayed Knot wrote: But it is quite possible that long lasting gentleman's agreement of sorts about announcing your starters at the beginning of each series will slowly start to break down. Or maybe the managers will start throwing baseballs at each other.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 18 2018 03:02 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I have absolutely no problem with whatever can of worms Counsell has opened. Bring on the worms.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2018 03:36 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Ceetar wrote: Or maybe the managers will start throwing baseballs at each other. That would be cool too.

Ceetar Oct 19 2018 07:15 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Or maybe the managers will start throwing baseballs at each other. That would be cool too. It'd have to be like when Goalies fight in NHL. they gesture from the dugout, and then they come out to the on-deck circles and try to bean each other.

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2018 01:19 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Game 6: Ugh, 8:39 (EDT) first pitch tonight!

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2018 07:16 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

OK, so maybe scratch Ryu from our wish list.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2018 08:18 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I'm still cool with him. This works in our favor, cooling the market a bit. Miley gets a standing O for 4+ innings of 2-run ball, leaving two men on? Everything IS cheaper in the Midwest.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2018 08:25 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Closer Knebel on in the fifth to protect a three-run lead with two on, one out and one in. See, guys? I told you Counsell's worms were good worms.

G-Fafif Oct 20 2018 07:19 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

The Brewers are that guy you know and like even though you roll your eyes sometimes at the things he says, so you're not that close, but you have a pretty good time together when you see him. The Dodgers are somebody you know a little and say hi to to be polite, yet they look through you and act like you don't exist. Fuck the Dodgers. Go Brewers.

41Forever Oct 20 2018 07:40 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

G-Fafif wrote: The Brewers are that guy you know and like even though you roll your eyes sometimes at the things he says, so you're not that close, but you have a pretty good time together when you see him. The Dodgers are somebody you know a little and say hi to to be polite, yet they look through you and act like you don't exist. Fuck the Dodgers. Go Brewers. Right there with you! #GetCurtisaRing

G-Fafif Oct 20 2018 08:09 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

41Forever wrote: #GetCurtisaRing When Curtis comes to bat, my temporary Brewers affinity skyrockets. I can't imagine the fans of any team for whom he's played don't find themselves rooting for him as he goes along. Except for Dodgers fans, I suppose.

bmfc1 Oct 20 2018 06:55 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I would love to have Cody Bellinger on the Mets but boy is he annoying. Front Row Amy is distracting and I note that she has an outdated website, not that I'm objectifying her because that would be wrong.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2018 08:41 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Dave Roberts going to Kenley Jansen with a 4 run lead and 7 outs still to go. That's something which could backfire on ya.

Centerfield Oct 20 2018 09:49 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Good riddance Brewers. And more importantly, Brewers fans. Maybe next year don’t give the racist homophobe a standing ovation. And fuck Ryan Braun and Bud Seelig. Now, go Red Sox.

Centerfield Oct 20 2018 09:54 PM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

Btw. Someone please run over Tom Verducci.

MFS62 Oct 21 2018 05:42 AM Re: IST NLCS 2018: MIL vs LAD -- Senior Circuitry

I usually would root for the National League team in the World Series. But this time I'll pass, and wait for some Mets news. Later