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Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Mex17 Nov 02 2018 04:21 AM

. . .or, more specifically, the concept of actually going out into the FA market to get a starting pitcher who projects as a #2 or #3. Why? We have this great young staff of starting pitchers already!! It's actually the one strength of the team right now! Why allocate resources to that which is already a strength when there are so many other deficiencies on this roster? Because one of those deficiencies is catcher. Miami has a really good catcher named J.T. Realmuto who wants to be traded. But the Mets have sort of a barren farm system right now, so dipping into the prospect base exclusively in order to get a deal done might prove to be a little difficult. But, if you sign a starter, then you can use Zack Wheeler for instance as a chip in that trade. As far as I see it, the pecking order for starters on the market goes a little like this. . . Corbin Keuchel Morton Happ Ryu Corbin might be a bit of a stretch given the need and what it would cost to land him. But, I want BVW to be aggressive and not settle too much, so for me Keuchel it is. deGrom Keuchel Syndergaard Matz Vargas Wheeler, Alonso, and a sweetner in exchange for Realmuto (add in Gimenez only if Jeter plays hard ball).

Mex17 Nov 02 2018 04:31 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Plus, Keuchel totally looks like Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top, so that is that too.

Centerfield Nov 02 2018 05:38 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Why would Miami want a guy going into his walk year? And I’d rather keep Alonso than give him up for Realmuto. Even straight up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2018 06:03 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

you're coughing up the club's top 2 prospects, and a good pitcher, for a veteran catcher. get out of here, man. And this to accommodate Kuechel whose turning into a rich man's Jason Vargas. nope

Ceetar Nov 02 2018 08:09 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

fwiw, here's all the free agent starters, including option guys (this is 2017-2018) [url]https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=9323,8223,3543,6249,375,1118,9132,9425,8173,8137,7448,7024,4972,4538,7410,11713,4371,4141,10732,1841,12638,2036,9434,3201,7593,2520,8779,7608,1890,4676,6902,11426,9784,7872,14444,404,3284,3200,4026,7059,5279,9388 I don't really like Keuchel's trend line. His low K%. His best year was 2015, and that was his best K% year too, and it's only plummeted since. I'd be okay with him for a few years, for a few bucks, but I think he's going to a lot more useful to another team that will pay him more because they need him more.

smg58 Nov 02 2018 08:23 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

There are two good free agent catchers and one good (but not Piazza good) trade candidate, and two-thirds of the league could use an upgrade at the position. The market will not be a friendly one. Te Mets need to either get creative, or be willing to overpay. I'm hoping for the former, assuming that it's creative in a good way. Wheeler is much better than Keuchel right now. The Mets need some difference-making right-handed bats, true, but Alonso could be one of those bats. Realmuto may be more valuable than Grandal or Ramos because he's younger, but he isn't so much better than them to justify paying an extortion-level cost in players. Somebody will do just that, but I hope it isn't us. But getting back to Keuchel -- a lot depends on the defense behind him. I do think McNeil is a substantial upgrade over Cabrera (not that that is saying much), and Rosario has the tools to be much better than he has been. Center is a question mark -- Nimmo wasn't bad, but our defense would be better with him at a corner, and how much Lagares will play (and how much we want him to play) is very uncertain. Keuchel would be a risky bet, but I'd keep my eyes on him if it looks like it's taking a while for his market to develop.

Centerfield Nov 02 2018 12:14 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Te Mets need to either get creative, or be willing to overpay. I'm hoping for the former, assuming that it's creative in a good way. Welcome Starting Catcher Hunter Wendelstedt The New York Mets announced today that the club has named Hunter Wendelstedt the club's starting catcher for 2019. He will be introduced at a press conference tomorrow at 2:30 p.m. at Citi Field, which you can watch via SNY, the Mets social media channels and mets.com. Wendelstedt, 47, has been a major league umpire since 1998 and has headed the Wendelstedt Umpire School in Florida since the death of his father. He has worked one all star game, four postseasons and one World Series. In 2017, he was named on USA Today's Top 100 "People who Squat in MLB." "Hunter is a tremendous overall athlete, has significant experience behind the plate, and is in a great position to take us to the next level," said Brodie Van Wagenen, Mets GM. "He is from a respected baseball family and we are excited to welcome him into the Mets family. "A great day for the Mets," added Mets COO Jeff Wilpon said. "An excellent step toward sustainable success." Several online posters at the Cranepool Forum praised the move as "innovative" and "outside the box thinking." Van Wagenen stated that Wendelstedt will continue to call balls and strikes during games, it being determined that such an arrangement presented "absolutely no conflict of interest."

Ceetar Nov 02 2018 12:15 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

You know catcher's have huge impact on ball and strike calls anyway, that's pretty normal.

Lefty Specialist Nov 02 2018 12:29 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Let's not worry so much about fixing the strongest part of this team and start addressing the weaknesses.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2018 12:40 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

I like that idea #CheifBrodie #OutsideTheBox #ConflictOfInteresting

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2018 01:06 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: you're coughing up the club's top 2 prospects, and a good pitcher, for a veteran catcher. get out of here, man. And this to accommodate Kuechel whose turning into a rich man's Jason Vargas. nope I agree a lot with this. Centerfield wrote: And I’d rather keep Alonso than give him up for Realmuto. Even straight up. But not so much with this. Realmuto is a catcher, and a good one both offensively and defensively (plus he runs!!) who's 27 y/o and two years away from FA-gency. As I've said before, I think some of youse guys is over-rating Mr. Alonso, or at least over-rating the odds of him becoming what we hope he can become. But, until then, he's a 1st baseman who'll turn 24 in a few weeks with contact issues and defensive issues who can't play anywhere else and who might some day be better than the slightly younger Dom Smith and who might some day hit ML pitching enough to justify the aforementioned potential downsides. If offered that deal straight up I'd do it in a second and he IS the kind of guy Miami would be looking to pick up in trades (plus they need a 1B man). But for him plus Gimenez plus a good starting pitcher getting better in front of our eyes? ... ummmm, no.

Centerfield Nov 02 2018 02:19 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Frayed Knot wrote: As I've said before, I think some of youse guys is over-rating Mr. Alonso, or at least over-rating the odds of him becoming what we hope he can become. But, until then, he's a 1st baseman who'll turn 24 in a few weeks with contact issues and defensive issues who can't play anywhere else and who might some day be better than the slightly younger Dom Smith and who might some day hit ML pitching enough to justify the aforementioned potential downsides. Yeah, admittedly I fall into this camp. And I get we have to take LV numbers with pillars of salt. That being said, the guy has a .940 OPS throughout his entire Minor League career (over 1000 PA's). Hits .290 with a .381 OBP. All the reports are that he'll be tough to shift against because he hits to all fields, and the exit velocity folks rave about him. So I'm hoping (and I think he can be) a middle of the order type of guy.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2018 02:44 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

But, as always, the problem with 1st basemen is that they HAVE TO hit, and that's true even if the guy is Keith Hernandez revisited w/the glove which, by all reports, is the opposite end of the spectrum from where Alonso resides. If Rosario turns out to be an only OK hitter, for instance, he'll still have some value due to his glove and speed (an additional reason NOT to move him off SS ... but that's an argument for the Machado thread). Mediocre hitting 1st basemen, on the other hand, wind up unemployed (Ike) or just not that valuable (Lucas) and you wind up kicking yourself for not having made the Realmuto deal when you had the chance. Bottom line: It's not that I think Alonso is going to fail, only that the margin of error on guys like that is narrow to the point where I'm leery of putting all my chips on him NOT failing (or even only partially succeeding).

Centerfield Nov 02 2018 03:13 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Understood, and although I'd be disappointed if they traded him 1 for 1 for Realmuto, I can certainly understand if they did. But Miami won't. Because someone else will offer multiple Alonso-level prospects like they did for Yelich. In other words, it ain't happenin'.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2018 05:09 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Centerfield wrote: But Miami won't. Because someone else will offer multiple Alonso-level prospects like they did for Yelich. Which, of course, was a large part of my point: that Alonso straight-up is a good deal because Realmuto is worth more, particularly to us who need proven catching more than maybe first-basing. That said, Realmuto won't garner the same level of haul that Yelich earned Miami. Yelich was and is better (even more so a year later!!!), was also younger and under new team control for four years at known rates, as opposed to two years of TBD, since the acquiring team inherited him on an existing pre-FA contract. Plus we still don't know how the four Brewer prospects who went the other way will turn out. The OF we saw a handful of times this year, Lewis Brinson, was the top rated of the bunch and, so far, the only one to see the majors (none of the others seem all that close). And while he's athletic & promising with a ton of range defensively, he also hit just a Buck-99 over 400 PAs and K'd in 1/3 of his ABs during his rookie season. So, yeah, it'll take Alonso-plus to get JTR, but he's a good fit for what the Marlins need and are looking for so he's not a bad starting point and I hope Brodie et al are at least looking into what it would take.

smg58 Nov 02 2018 05:34 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Te Mets need to either get creative, or be willing to overpay. I'm hoping for the former, assuming that it's creative in a good way. Welcome Starting Catcher Hunter Wendelstedt The New York Mets announced today that the club has named Hunter Wendelstedt the club's starting catcher for 2019. He will be introduced at a press conference tomorrow at 2:30 p.m. at Citi Field, which you can watch via SNY, the Mets social media channels and mets.com. Wendelstedt, 47, has been a major league umpire since 1998 and has headed the Wendelstedt Umpire School in Florida since the death of his father. He has worked one all star game, four postseasons and one World Series. In 2017, he was named on USA Today's Top 100 "People who Squat in MLB." "Hunter is a tremendous overall athlete, has significant experience behind the plate, and is in a great position to take us to the next level," said Brodie Van Wagenen, Mets GM. "He is from a respected baseball family and we are excited to welcome him into the Mets family. "A great day for the Mets," added Mets COO Jeff Wilpon said. "An excellent step toward sustainable success." Several online posters at the Cranepool Forum praised the move as "innovative" and "outside the box thinking." Van Wagenen stated that Wendelstedt will continue to call balls and strikes during games, it being determined that such an arrangement presented "absolutely no conflict of interest." That made my night.

Mex17 Nov 04 2018 04:32 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Since this is really the "Realmuto trade" thread as opposed to really being a Dallas Keuchel thread, I'll ask here if anyone thinks if Alonso, Gimenez, and a lower level sweetner gets it done? Or is even that that too much?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2018 06:33 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

way too much

Mex17 Nov 04 2018 06:44 AM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: way too much Alonso or Gimenez plus one mid ranked picther (Dunn, Peterson, Kay, Szapucki) and one lower level whatever? I guess that I am playing the Jeter role in this discussion. But, if I'm Jeter, please keep in mind that I know how much you need Realmuto and I have 28 other guys numbers in my phone.

Edgy MD Nov 04 2018 07:36 PM Re: Let's talk about Dallas Keuchel

Then it doesn't get done. If you go into a deal from the perspective that you "need" the target, you're in a good position to not only get beat, but get taken to cleaners.